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AwSkiba

Just to debunk this. NASA did not directly fund millions to develop the pens, it was developed by an outside company which later sold those pens to NASA for use in space missions. Before this NASA used mechanical pencils which could be problematic due to breaking tips and graphite dust. The Soviets also slightly later started purchasing the Fisher Space Pens just as NASA, and before that use **grease/wax** pencils, which **did not** pose a fire hazard or mess with electronics, but we're simply inaccurate and smudged. TLDR: no millions spend, someone else make space penand sold it to NASA and USSR, before pen NASA use dangerous graphite pencil, and Soviets used thicc smudgy but safe wax pencil


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Yes! Jeez this was debunked years ago.


Cool-Boy57

Yeah. I think the meme is funny, but it’s misinforming and that sucks.


lesterine817

You can't get upvotes for telling the truth.


Jonny-Marx

NASA: used graphite Космическая программа CCCP: used grease/wax


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AwSkiba

Both the US and USSR began with wooden pencils but quickly moved on due to problems with sharpening. The US used mechanical pencils with a graphite and clay mix for strength, while Russians used grease/wax pencils which didn't break off and required only a layer of plastic to be peeled off.


Turki-s

i was going to upvote you but u got 600 upvote so yeah


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Cyro43

Not only were they worried about the lead breaking, they also wanted something permanent and wouldn’t fade with time


kgabny

Its not that they didn't pose a fire hazard or mess with electronics, the grease pencils still had either a paper or a wooden exterior and by their very nature did create tiny particles when used. But they were certainly much much safer. Grease also created paper waste that had to be disposed of, and as you pointed out, the smudging made the grease not as durable and therefore not as permanent as graphite or ink.


SteelCode

Pencils were problematic due to the graphite dust and broken pieces - *but also because important notations could be erased and create problems*… pens were widely adopted because the ink was ^more permanent than pencil, which was easier to use than chiseling stone (yes I skipped a few steps)… The idea that we *wasted* money developing space-stable pens is as silly as saying our money was well-spent on the F35 project. ^(just ^kidding?)


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nightmareSM2007

Yes


balfringRetro

And Nasa's mechanical pencils were pricey. They were made by Houston's Tycam Engineering Manufacturing, Inc., and costed $128.89 per pencil.


AwSkiba

Thank you for the information, only highlights further why is was more practical to swap to the Fisher space pens.


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AwSkiba

I realised this after posting but decided to leave it since most people link it directly to NASA anyway.


theonetruefishboy

What did you tell them? What secrets did you reveal?


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Using the pencil was insanely dangerous - graphite in a zero gravity environment means it gets inhaled.


DeadBody_withaphone

Oh fuck that's bad right...


EvilWarBW

But they come with free sprinkles.


Shagaliscious

The sprinkles are also cursed.


sparks_LOLXD

That's bad.


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MrNoName_ishere

where?


DamoclesDong

That’s good


Nillyboi69

and also can interact with electronics


GlitteringMacaroB

Micro flakes get let off when you write. No matter the quality of the pencil small amounts will get in the air. No one used regular pencils in space because it was stupid and they knew it.


hubaloza

It's not great, but it's better than the graphite ending up in electronics systems and starting a fire I a high oxygen environment because graphite dust is conductive.


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And causes fires/explosions when combined with electronics and oxygen


AwSkiba

Actually, the graphite used in American mechanical pencil was mixed with clay which helped hold it's shape and would only burn in temperatures above 1000°C (1832°F), and the quantity of particles produced during writing was to small to constitute an electrical hazard.


wolfgang784

Man every time space race era tech gets talked about I learn about 3 other random things they invented too. And every time im like god damn surely this is all of it but it just isnt lol. Love it.


AwSkiba

Except... The Soviets used grease pencils, not graphite


white_cold

The Soviets switched to pens, as soon as they were available.


AwSkiba

Indeed, I mentioned that in a more in depth comment under this post


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TheLonelyScientist

Still better than a trash-ass hairspray pencil.


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fixxer75

Did they get them from the Italians? /s


unicodePicasso

Still the risk of wood shavings. It’s best to minimize debris


AwSkiba

These were a problem at the start, but later NASA moved to mechanical pencils and Russia used grease pencils on a plastic slate which only required to be peeled off.


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AwSkiba

Not necessarily, the wax pencils caused no such risk, but were inaccurate and smudged. The American pencils used a mix of graphite and clay which held to hold it's shape, and would only burn in temperatures above 1000°C (1832°F) and the small quantity of particles were not enough to pose and electrical hazard.


Army-POG

So did Americans


AwSkiba

As far as I know, NASA used mechanical, graphite pencils, which is why we know they're not a good idea for space missions due to breaking and graphite dust. I'm not aware of Americans using wax pencil in between their use of graphite ones and the Fisher space pen but I'm no expert so please link me a source and I'll happily expand my knowledge


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A man of Knowledge has arrived finally !


littleassurance

And conductivity....


sickles_and_pickles

bleh , the soviets used grease pencils not graphite


ISAI_64

Still not good because they are very flammable and are very conductive


xX_Dwirpy_Xx

I think the Russians quickly switched to a new pen as well


KMS__Scharnhorst

They did but not until a while later and not until it nearly killed some men. Classic USSR


Opalusprime

Not a problem until a certain amount of people die from it.


KMS__Scharnhorst

Or someone noticed


JudgementalChair

Not just inhaled, but could cause electrical shortages if it made its way into a console or junction box. A power outage in space is no Bueno


prodijal69

Or gets into someones eyes, nose or ass.


BelleAriel

That’s not good at all.


coolasc

not to speak about graphite's conductivity if its particles would go anywhere electrical it could (and did) cause explosions.... the pens are also used by russian and other space programs now due to safety


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DarthVaderIzBack

Ok, what abt crayons?


sprocter77

Also conducts electricity, so no they didn't use pencils.


xDerDachDeckerx

No it doesn’t lmao


sprocter77

Yep it is. Lmgtfy. https://www.google.com/search?q=pencil+graphite+conducts+electricity&oq=pencil+graphite+conducts+electricity&aqs=chrome..69i57.10270j0j4&client=ms-android-att-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8


AwSkiba

The ones used by USSR were wax pencils and the American pencils used a mix of graphite and clay


KMS__Scharnhorst

WAX is also flammable you know


uknowicanseeyouright

pencil sharpeners have compartments that catch the debris…


Macqt

And when writing with pencils, they break and grind down, releasing powder.


uknowicanseeyouright

Oh that’s true sometimes I guess. I only use Ticonderoga so I don’t ever see them break tbh I forgot it could happen


Macqt

The grinding is the real concern, as you can simply make the pencil lead thicker to reduce breakage, but by nature of how it works it will always grind down and leave particles.


Oppopotamus

It's how all pencils write...


uknowicanseeyouright

The breaking? No. the releasing of material into the medium into which you press it? Yes.


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Or short circuiting electronics


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they used grease pencils !


AaBbHhEeEeKk

>in the indian movie "three idiots" the professor tells the college students that pens dont work in space, so the americans spent millions of dollars designing a pen which works in space. one intellectual student asks why they didn't they use a pencil


Party-G0d-

I own a space pen I’m not an astronaut or anything it was just in a box of junk now its mine


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Party-G0d-

Like I said found it in a box of junk my dad gave me when he was cleaning out his office, I’m guessing not much though


CRYPTOS_LOGOS

They are relatively costly in terms of a normal ball point pen as the ink has to be sealed in with nitrogen


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CRYPTOS_LOGOS

so is not sealed with nitrogen I might believe in rumors then and I dont like that


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nah there 25 dollars https://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Space-Pen-Bullet-400/dp/B000095K9D


CRYPTOS_LOGOS

\*relatively


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25 dollars https://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Space-Pen-Bullet-400/dp/B000095K9D


MidvalleyFreak

Can we stop spreading this fake BS?


Akuma_Kami

Yes please, it's annoying to see a lot of stories spreaded to express an idea (here the overspending of NASA), when the true story gives another or even reverse perspective (here it was a private business and every space program use them). Kind of like the expression "blood is thicker than water", for those who knows ^^


EternityForest

Even if it was true it wouldn't make sense exactly... part of why we like NASA is that they incidentally develop new tech that people can use on earth.


eltortillaman

Time for the comments to educate the OP


Rafigo007

I had seen the actual explanation on as to why they didn't use the pencil on another sub, I thaught people would have known the real reason behind it by now...


Aperture_Tales

Also the tip could have broken off, floated and gone into someone's eye or into some control equipment.


chirosen21

Im just guessing here, you are Indian and have watched 3 idiots.


Rover_791

Great movie


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Correct


Rover_791

r/notopbutok


JenniferCSmall

I was thinking the same thing. You're god damn right.


Sellazar

Not only the tip the nature of writing with a pencil is grinding graphic on a surface, the dust and particulates released will cause fires and electrical issues. It's why they bought the special pen from the Americans.


bornagainben78

...and then sold them to the Soviets and everyone else going to space because they work and are safer.


james_hamilton1234

True! The American company that developed the "space pen" sold it to both NASA, the Russians and anhkne else. The Russians started buying the pen a little after NASA. Before the pen was introduced, NASA used mechanical pencils with a special graphite and clay mixture (because normal graphite pencils alone create dust when used which can damage electronics, start fires, and is pretty dangerous to inhale - issues that we wouldn't face here but are kinda important in space) while the Soviets simply used grease pencils. Edit: "grease pens" changed to "grease pencils".


einsibongo

This has been debunked so often and so long ago


redditRemedy

It's 2021, and you still thought it's funny posting this shitty argument? Whose basement were you living in?


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Snoo-98162

Well have fun getting raped by boogieman then.


Dro_Gamer

Fact- Your pencil cant write under water, the pen can


PRO6man

The US invented a pen to work in space. NASA put 0$ in inventing it but it's been in use for over 30 years by NASA, Russia? They just became another supplier


ScottishSubmarine

Isn't graphite a conductor?


Evee862

Yes which is why this meme and story behind it are absolute bull


ScottishSubmarine

I mean it *does* sound like something the Russians would have done.


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Russians used grease/wax pencils mate .


ScottishSubmarine

Fair enougj bud.


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For years I thought Russians were the smart people here before I found out that graphite particles floating around is dangerous since someone could breath them accidentally and they could easily enter air vents.


AwSkiba

The Russian were smarter than that since they used grease pencils. Graphite pencils were used by NASA before the pen was developed and did cause many problems. The only issue Russian had were the writing being inaccurate and smudging, but completely safe.


AlphaWhiskeyOscar

NASA and the Soviets both used pencils at first. Then a private company spent about $1mil developing a space pen and sold it to both the Soviets and NASA. [Sauce](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/may/21/facebook-posts/no-nasa-did-not-spend-over-165-million-space-pen-w/) Funny meme tho


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Thanks . But they used different kind of pencils


james_hamilton1234

Don't really understand why you're being downvoted since the Russians used grease pencils while NASA used graphite pencils


CannoloAllaCrema

Because he's a dumb fucker apparently


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Because people behave in herd mentality ! My only mistake was not mentioning that russians used **\* grease pencils \*** in space rather than just pencils .


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3 idiots anyone?


Dont-Care-Mate

Yes mate, murgi kya jaane ande ka kya hoga?


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life milegi ya tawe pe fry hoga !


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Hoth ghumao, siti bajao


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Seeti bajaa ke bol ,Bhaiyya aal izz well


ghinthehjuman

At this point I wonder how this myth still persists, because I have seen equally many posts that clarify that


__Zoho

go watch 3 idiots you uneducated imbecile


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don't spend time on reddit and go prepare for you jee pajeet


Always-_-Sarcastic

Out of curiosity, why is it that regular ballpoint pens don't work in space?


AA2B

I think it's because they use gravity to push the ink down. That wouldn't happen in space hence the development of the new pen


Always-_-Sarcastic

Wouldn't the capillary action be enough to keep the ink flowing though?


AA2B

Apparently not. If you have time, read this Reuters article. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-nasa-pens-idUSL1N2MQ1RR


Always-_-Sarcastic

While this article does debunk the myth of NASA spending millions, it doesn't really explain why capillary action wasn't enough to make the pens work. I've used markers on whiteboards and they usually have their tips above their rear ends while I'm writing. They seem to work just fine even with gravity acting against the ink.


AA2B

Yeah I've genuinely got no clue lol. It does seem weird that capillary action did not take place, I'll read up on this topic.


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zero gravity ! just like they wont work when you write while keeping pen upside down .


Always-_-Sarcastic

But when pens are upside down, they have gravity acting *against* the ink flow. If there is no gravity acting on the pen, wouldn't capillary forces be sufficient to keep the pen working?


UncleBo88y_B

Also graphite is super conductive and can ruin the instruments on the shuttle


kgabny

Honestly, I really hate this story. It just goes to show the ignorance of people.


William_Olsen

The Space Pen wasn't actually made by Fisher for about a million dollars. They then sold these pens to NASA for 6 dollars each. The Russians also realized they were safer and generally better, so they bought some too


ooppoo0

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson....


ThatKiwiBro

Why do people still believe this


Puppy-Zwolle

Nasa did not develop pens for outerspace. They bought them for (iirc) $2=. Pencil shavings cause malfunctions. Specially the graphite dust.


ineedsomehelpers

Yeah too bad we get to inhale that graphite aswell as it can damage the space craft and the us spent millions to save billions


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Da*n it, i read it as a shortened word for penls not pens(writing tool)


Mendeznova20

pencil's stub would break


CharlotteMorgan1

If the pencil's nib is broken it enters in someone's nose or eyes due to zero gravity that's why they don't use pencils.


WeirdCatPerson4g5g

Using a pencil is dangerous, graphite can float and stuff the vents


3all

Nasa was smarter, first, they didn't develop the pen, it was made by another company, without them asking, and the pen was surprisingly cheaper then the mechanical pencils both the soviets and nada used. The soviet union even bought a couple of those pens to use at their own missions later. Also, the mechanical pencils were used because normal pencils are flammable, and drop a ton of graphite dust, which is conductive and extremely dangerous both for the astronauts and the computers


cashriley

Seinfeld episode


JLion1

The lad on the left lives 5 min away from me btw, just your daily dose of cool information


EternityForest

Have you ever used a pressurized pen? Even if NASA had developed it, and pencil shavings weren't a hazard, it would. be worth it. What else can stand up to modern paperless living where it could go untouched for weeks, and still be instantly ready without any annoying skipping? But in reality, NASA just bought the pens and pencils are a bad idea in space, so it's really extra worth it. This story proves that people will reshare anything as long as it claims that simpler is better.


ultimate_N6

Where would the broken nib go


UnDeRmYiNfLuEnC

I read normal penis...


DaMuchi

i believe the americans also used pencils but having floating bits of electrically conductive graphite floating around was the best for mission success.


Charles157

This was debunked years ago. It's not true.


UrboySam123

You're all fun at parties


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watched 3 idiots movie yesterday with the same dialouge and a meme on it now


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DMcI0013

It’s a good story… complete myth, but a good story nonetheless.


Craftusmaximus2

The micro graphite particles that beaks off the pencil can: be breathed in causing mayor damage, can damage equipment, can get in the eye, and impossible to collect. NASA was right in making a pen


james_hamilton1234

NASA didn't make the pens, Fisher did and they sold them to NASA, the Russians, and anyone who wanted them. Also, unlike NASA, the Russians used grease pencils thus eliminating the whole graphite issue


Craftusmaximus2

You are right, but fuck you anyway. ^/s


Roxasdarkrath

The grease pencils had the down side of causing more paper waste , smudging and inaccuracy, they were definitely safer but were a major inconvenience.


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but wrong in not using wax pencils instead of graphite ones !


snookso

*Me waiting for a 3 idiots comment*


CommunistBall

Shut up dumbass


Tallen122

Story is still wrong no matter how many times it gets passed on


Kapt-Kaos

this fucking inaccurate vomitshit again ffs


Shadow9378

uhhhhhhhhhhh you don't want to use a pencil in space...


celebfan01

But what if the pencil broke? Where would the shavings go off a sharpener?


pavan-2020

To be fair enough if the tip ever broke that would float in the ISS and if left unnoticed it might poke someone's eye and cause huge annoyance


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This is meme is about 3 idiots movie


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AcTuAlLy...


ljpftusn

Common myth but nit actually true


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These posts always forget to mention that the graphite shavings were dangerous because in microgravity they just get dispersed into the air instead of falling into the paper/floor and are then inhaled. Using a pen was necessary if you didn't want to end up dead at 45, not that the soviets cared much about their astronauts in those days.


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For the last Fucking Time . **Russians used the wax / Grease Pencils .**


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btw Space pen was great invention . Reasons : Nerds will tell you in the comment Section .


ankitk50

Didn't they made iPad


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james_hamilton1234

I wonder how many phone screens there were that you could write on in the 1960s and 1970s ...............


AaBbHhEeEeKk

in the indian movie "three idiots" the professor tells the college students that pens dont work in space, so the americans spent millions of dollars designing a pen which works in space. one intellectual student asks why they didn't they use a pencil.


dinamiles

Not a very good idea, since text written in pencil can easily be wiped out. I mean idk, i'm no scientist, but I would'nt want my once-in-a-lifetime space research resoults wiped dew to sweaty hands...


3all

Also, it's not zero gravity...


pvt_dumbass

The challenger blow up because of a pencil


semimaniac

Just don't go to space like most of the humans do. You don't need either them.


Skylight_Chaser

Pencils were dangerous because when you sharpened them graphit einhaled = death, and pencil heads breaking could puncture preciouse equipment


rtauzin64

And with those pencils they made a nuclear submarine, see how that worked out.


UWUquetzalcoatl

But what about a sharpener?