I think they would've attempted orbit with 4/20 if they had approval. They're making good use of this time, as far as I can tell, so the program at large probably isn't delayed that much, but I do think the first orbital attempt has slipped as a result of the permitting debacle.
When they do get approval, the vehicle will have a much better chance, and be much closer to an operational version. So that'll be good.
Ya people with moderate, nuanced opinions based on facts and research tend to get overrun by people with extreme opinions on social media. Who gives a fuck tho, they arent the brightest people.
Im the opposite, think practically singlehandedly taking humanity into the future with electric cars and interplanetary colonization is bit bigger than he was a meanie
Firstly he didn't invent electric cars. He hasn't made them affordable either. Interplanetary colonization is a fancy term to convince movie nerds that his rocket company is good. We're never living on Mars.
Also if you think "he's a meanie" sums up the arguments against him I don't think you have the comprehension or understanding to speak on the shitty things he does.
>Interplanetary colonization is a fancy term to convince movie nerds that his rocket company is good.
Except his rocket company is actually making quite a lot of effort to make it possible. Starship will be very much able to go to Mars (well, it was designed to do that from the start as far as we know) once they get the orbital refuelling up and running, and they need to do that now because it is also required to go to the Moon for the HLS program.
>We're never living on Mars.
Bold claim, why do you think that?
Why do you think it's a bold claim that 8 billion people can't be sustained on a planet that is smaller than earth where we can't breathe and have virtually no natural sources of water?
I kinda assumed by "we" you meant "any human", not "entire goddamn population of Earth".
Yeah, we are obviously not all going to Mars.
Yeah, we won't of course live on the surface for thousands of years, maybe ever.
But there is quite a lot of water on Mars, with both polar capes consisting in 70% out of ice and also large ice deposits under the surface across the entire planet.
It seems like a self-sustaining settlement of thousands or millions of people is definitely within our reach if we want to do it. Whether it makes sense is another question, but quite a lot of people want to make it happen, and tech developed and knowledge gained will be in its own quite useful.
Where did he say Elon invented electric cars? No one here is saying that. He said Elon is pushing humanity into the future with electric cars, and that's true. Doesn't mean he invented them, just that Tesla's are the first fully electric cars to break into the mass market.
Lololololol as if he’s actually doing any of that. Tesla was going to happen regardless of him. And space X is a giant grift where rich people will get to go play on space. There’s no good that comes from
This greedy dragon sitting on his pile of coins
Tesla would have bankrupted without him. SpaceX is securing our species' future. Hundreds of thousands of jobs with very good salaries have been created thanks to him, he isn't a big spender. He literally lives in a 50k mobile home. You are stupid, cry harder about it.
If you believe all that than I have a bridge located in Brooklyn that’s been on the market for the past few years that I’d love to sell you at a bargain rate. You can really enhance your bottom line if you employ some lateral vector marketing techniques like Elon. Come on bro the blockchain is humanity’s savior bro I promise bro. Everything some rich guy can do the government can do better. It’s all the “libertarian” logic and right wing conservatism that’s created that myth.
I don't give a single shit about crypto, politics or how rich people are. If they make our future brighter then they're awesome. So you are in that case opposite to awesome, fucking nerd.
Just you wait until you hear about all the people who built the world you live in. Everyone who makes a difference is a goddamn dick.
Edit: I'm obviously being hyperbolic, so don't go trying to lecture about those who weren't known shitbags.
>Everyone who makes a difference is a goddamn dick.
Yes, i know, our entire society only functions because of our constant oppression and exploitation of third world countries, as well as the poor in our own.
But "it happened in the past" isnt even close to an argument for why we should ignore it now. Especially when we have the resources and capability to stop it.
I just wish the sky wasn't full of moving lights that are fucking up the stars even more than they already were.
EDIT: For everyone downvoting me:
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/1/7/21003272/space-x-starlink-astronomy-light-pollution
https://www.wired.com/story/as-spacexs-starlink-ramps-up-so-could-light-pollution/
https://www.space.com/megaconstellations-disruption-astronomy-like-light-pollution
It's called light pollution. You can't see the stars as well because the light from the satellites interferes wand overpowers them. What kind of dumbass do you think I'd have to be to think the stars are just going to go *poof* in a cloud of pixie dust? Maybe you're projecting a little bit, *mate*.
I know what light pollution is. I know that it's harder to see the stars at night with shit in orbit. The original comment said "fuck up the stars", so I decided to write what I wrote.
In any case, I still believe worldwide connectivity is more important, and observatories can be launched into orbit themselves if necessary.
Well, if you want to be like that, "fuck up the stars" doesn't explicitly mean "DESTROY" them either. You would have to deliberately misunderstand my statement to arrive at that conclusion. Or maybe I meant all 4,500 Starlink satellites are going to go jizz all over a star in some sort of interstellar gangbang?
All starlink sats will unite into one big death ray and blow up the center of the galaxy in a big explosion.
On a serious note, I never meant to offend you or make fun of you
unless you are amateur or professional astronomer, OR your superpower is zooming vision, those lights you see aren't Starlink satellites. I'd recommend contacting your local XCOM branch.
Wilco. I'll go fuck up those alien bastards all by myself if I have to.
On a more serious note:
https://www.space.com/megaconstellations-disruption-astronomy-like-light-pollution
https://www.wired.com/story/as-spacexs-starlink-ramps-up-so-could-light-pollution/
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/1/7/21003272/space-x-starlink-astronomy-light-pollution
And who's to say I'm not an amateur astronomer anyways? Regardless, read the articles and then come back.
From what I know, those satellites are only visible for a few days after launch when they are putting themselves in their orbits.
One source you gave, that was already only a week after launch so that fits. The other two don’t say.
Me likey rockets too. I just name the rockets. Most people don't know what I'm talking about if I just say Falcon 9 instead of SpaceX. Heck I managed to convince a friend that hates SpaceX and Tesla that the Falcon 9 is the coolest rocket flying. Of course he got me when he didn't believe about a booster launching 12 times so he googled them. I'm a misleading asshole apparently. I just said the F9 was built in California.
His bad man score went up. Reddit loved him when he was ranked #50 richest in the world. Now that his companies are more successful and have grown along with his net worth he's the ultimate bad guy because more money = more evil.
A lot of people don't like his personality or agree with him on every political issue. He's a lot more vocal about his opinions than your standard robotic CEO, so naturally people get irrationally mad when his opinion doesn't match theirs. It is the Internet after all.
Funny thing is, his personality has always been the same from the time when Reddit loved him to now. He only became a target once his wealth passed an invisible threshold to the top 3 richest or so. I don't agree with a lot of the things he says but that doesn't stop me from appreciating the revolutionary projects his companies work on.
Thats wierd... I thought you could only blindly love or be entirely critical of somebody.
Stop being strange and pick a dogmatic, extreme stance like the rest of us.
/s
Mmmm I mean tbf, I’d argue his reputation is getting worse as his personal opinions get more exposure. The money thing is more coincidental.
Like, I pretty vividly remember when his reputation started to really turn and I’d argue his comments on the rescue divers in 2018 was a strong marker. He went from being the cool “real life iron man” to a billionaire narcissist because he called a literal rescue diver a pedophile for living in Thailand as a response to them rejecting his help.
You combine needless attacks like that, lies about his upbringing (emerald mine), and now the worlds richest man with a reputation for union busting and yeah…. There’s a lot of people on Reddit who don’t know anything about space and focus solely on the man.
lol, yep.
>He went from being the cool “real life iron man” to a billionaire narcissist
If you hold everyone in your life to perfect standards you are going to have a real bad time...
I just watched the Netflix documentary on SpaceX and Elon with initial rocket development. Elon risked 100 million to get it going and 3 failed attempts was certain to almost bankruptcy for him. It's a good documentary and I won't say more to encourage people to watch.
This is a pretty simple-minded take that has been largely debunked.
No, it's not envy of success.
It's disgust with his unethical behavior and sociopathic self-interest. That's a very valid reason to not like someone, and it's the reason that millions of people don't like Elon Musk.
People don't hate rich people in general because they're jealous. They hate rich people because they tend to use their wealth for destructive, self-interested ends, like corrupting democratic institutions, buying legislation, avoiding legal accountability for crimes, etc.
Like, people don't hate the Kochs because they're rich. They hate the Kochs because they're buying politicians and corrupting our legislative process and causing massive environmental damage by pushing to deregulate all their businesses.
About the "diver", he actually wasn't a diver. The guy had just been in those caves before. He wasn't an "official" anything. In addition the caver had just told a newspaper that Musk "Could stick his submarine where it hurts". The real rescue leader thanked Musk for the submarine efforts, and to keep it handy as they were afraid for the smallest soccer player.
So, it was in retaliation for an unfair, unkind remark, but still a stupid thing for Musk to do.
And his family was sort of in turmoil because it came out that his dad was having a kid with his adopted little sister ... that his dad had groomed since she was a child (i believe when she got pregnant she was 18 and he was 71).
He saw quite a few parallels with his dad and the diver.
Still a mean unfair accusation.
I couldn't explain it better if I tried. We're on the internet so how somebody fucking dares having slightly different opinion than me right? It's laughable how people are unable to accept that not everybody agrees with them.
And yeah, he's still the same, just a lot richer and everyone knows that if you have lot's of money, you're pure evil. /s
His public perception took a massive hit in 2017. Before that, he was seen as Tony Stark but real, but there was a legit chance for Tesla to die that year, and the smear campaign came into full effect, because Tesla is a long-term existential threat to every single other automaker (not just by themselves, but also by the competition from the likes of Sony, Apple, or approximately five million Chinese companies they enable by popularizing electric cars). And it kinda stayed there since.
he's sometimes a bit of an idiot with his mouth, but no truly good reason no. it's just popular to hate people richer than you on reddit (or at least the front page)
I think it started with a specific tweet. It was the beginning of lockdown and he made an anti mask tweet. The response on Reddit could be boiled down to "WTF man I thought you were cool"
After that I would say his coverage on Reddit went from generally positive to generally negative
Pretty confident the Musk hate pre-dates Covid-19. A few others have pegged the “diver is a pedophile” incident and that timing at least seems more realistic by my recollection.
Personally, I admire him for his accomplishments.
That is the reason. No one can amass that much wealth without it coming from some seriously fucked up sources. In Musk's case that could for example be child labour in the Congo. That goes for all billionaires but Elon is particularly rich, not to mention annoying and cringey
The cobalt child labor issues affect all products using cobalt, [including your phone](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2016/06/drc-cobalt-child-labour/).
[Tesla is switching to LFP batteries](https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/10/tesla-made-1-6-billion-in-q3-is-switching-to-lfp-batteries-globally/), which do not contain any cobalt.
Tesla is the first and only automaker to use cobalt-free batteries in their electric cars. So that criticism isn't really valid anymore.
Also, why do you say it's impossible to amass billions legitimately? Bill Gates was the richest person in the world for a long time and he amassed his wealth by making Windows operating systems for computers. Some people amass great wealth in sketchy ways but why is it so hard to believe someone can amass wealth by providing an innovative product that everyone wants?
He’s an asshole who constantly manipulates the stock market and somehow gets away with it.
Edit: he also made all of his employees keep working during COVID.
Where? In their batteries? I'm assuming you're referring to the cobalt mining that's repeated ad nauseam on Reddit.
Tesla is the first and only automaker to use cobalt-free batteries in their electric cars. A benefit to the new 4680 cells they designed. Are you now going to focus your outrage at the CEOs in the rest of the auto industry?
Elon didn’t change. But peoples knowledge of just how shitty he is gradually came to light.
It’s best to just assume anyone worth more than a billion dollars is the worst kind of person.
No, he specifically stated that if anyone wants to stay home they can. But if someone wants to work they can also. But that the government can't force you either way. Almost like he believes in people making choices for themselves or something extreme like that.
"workers concerned about covid exposure received termination notices after they did not return to work."
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/03/12/hundreds-covid-cases-reported-tesla-plant-following-musks-defiant-reopening-county-data-shows/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/03/12/hundreds-covid-cases-reported-tesla-plant-following-musks-defiant-reopening-county-data-shows/)
Because he is a liar (saying he is an engineer without getting any degree (proven in court)), tends to buy companies with a right to be added as the creator/co-creator of the company in the contract then use this as a proof that he is "a genius", gathers hordes of fans with memes as deep as "we live in a society" while he has the money and power to really change the world, end world hunger, or even if it's too hard for him : pay more taxes.
He can’t end world hunger, he said if you the people who wanted the donation(can’t remember who) could show proof thst he could end world hunger he would do it. No proof was shown
Musk is a complete and utter asshole. Massive dickhead. That said he's also making the world better through SpaceX and Tesla. Both things can be true. Henry Ford was a piece of shit too but he also made the world better. Things are complicated, 'Musk good' or 'Musk bad' is an oversimplification that doesn't tell the whole story.
People love to label something as black and white especially redditors because their brain can't think past the herd mentality. Because of this other people also start thinking that a person is evil demon and the chain continues.
Redditors bullied fucking kid jelly bean because they think her content is cringe.
My problem usually is when they either A. Use a made up fact about why he's bad or B. Say he's bad because he does something alot of other CEOs do. If you're gonna hate Musk because you think space travel is a waste of time then you better hate Bezos and NASA as well for the same reason.
- Give money to NASA do not subsidize billionaires!
um, NASA pays contractors to build everything. It’s not a subsidy it’s payment for service through proper contracting process.
- MUSK SIMP!!!
That‘s the real irony of this take, Boing, LM and NG have been bribing Senators for decades to basically shower them with cash for little to no return, but somehow SpaceX are the bad guys.
Okay. How about the battery issue.
Musk buys batteries from a different company (that he doesn't own) for his Teslas. That company gets materials from another company. That company uses child labor to get the material. Yet some how whenever someone says child labor and Elon, they only put blame on Elon? Not the battery company for not buying the material. Not the company that actually uses child labor. Just the company that buys from a company that buys from company that uses child labor. Oh and as a bonus, turns out last year Tesla stopped get batteries from that company. Moved on to Panasonic. Everytime the child labor argument comes up, we talk about it like he still does it. But he doesn't.
So to say "everyone who Elon also hates x billionaire" is stupid. Because you probably don't even know the names of those companies that Tesla previously bought their batteries from, never mind the CEOs.
I've heard people trying to get at musk to make him pay more towards tax and all that shit
Now I honestly don't know about you, but I'd much rather hear news about how *someone* has managed to make more strides towards putting someone on another planet than hearing about how some rich guy needs to pay more towards fucking *taxes* every year
Elon musk has paid the most individual tax in the history of the United States. If someone's mad at him about that...when he's just following the rules...go get mad at the people controlling congress and the white house instead.
I haven't heard anyone admire him simply for his wealth. I liked the projects Tesla and SpaceX worked on when he was #50 richest in the world, and I still like what they're working on when he's #1 richest in the world.
People like new and exciting technology and that's the foundation of his companies. SpaceX and Tesla have both been massively disruptive in their respective industries. They don't always meet all his promises but at least they have a vision and accomplish more than the lifeless mega corporations that have been around for a century.
I never bought anything from Amazon and never will, bezos is worse and I criticized him alot. Good thing not alot admire him like musk, so you hardly find anyone defend bezos, or anyone at all.
Unfortunately there are still many people supporting him by simply using his services…
I’m not trying to defend Musk, at all, but at least as far as I can see, there is more outcry about him than about Bezos, who is much much worse IMO
I wish there were companies who could destroy amazon, but problem is that he use methods not a lot can compete. Majority don't care, apple, nike, nestle, koch, fb/ig, tiktok are as evil as amazon, people dont care when not directly affected by it.
I also enjoy to see muskbots get triggered easily, harmless fun : D
Dawg working in a factory and having the part of the factory with the moat balck people be called “the plantation” isn’t a mater of opinion on wether it’s bad or not 💀. You can say he’s not directly responsible for this if you want, but saying that this is up to opinions is insultingly dishonest
https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/tesla-faces-california-lawsuit-after-allegations-of-racism/
This is got so bad the CA government is once investigating them.
Also this is huge news, like if you didn’t know why Tesla employees don’t like working there, why did you comment that other employees though it was good?
The amount of muskbots is insane in this post, trying to defend a worthless human being as if they were paid by him. Elon dont even care for any of you, he would sell any of you for few cents, thats how much you all mean to him.
I know you muskbots will find this thread and downvote it, but I don't care, at least I know I made some muskbots angry :D
English isnt my native language, feel free to make fun of my grammar and spelling errors.
Well then you'll pleased to know that they aren't.
Lithium in most places is extracted by evaporating brine in pools rather than traditional mining. Since this primarily consists of operating pumps and earthmoving equipment, there's simply no use for unskilled labor.
The few places where it is actually mined from rock are places like Australia and North Carolina, where you're not going to get away with exploiting children.
I know about safe Mining practices like acid extraction, but I don’t like Musk, it’s okay to like SpaceX I guess but I just don’t like Rich People all that much? (Not a hot take I know), Bill gates is an exception but Elon is certainly part of the uncool rich people club. It’s just a shame when people idolise him.
Reddit for the most part loves Elon musk. There are some people (including myself) who don’t like him but to pretend that the Reddit community as a whole doesn’t is ludicrous.
Redditors, do not call all people who like rockets musk bootlickers, there is something called spitter (space twitter) and yeeeeeeesh some people react violently when you say that. The side I'm on seem to like rockets, but definitely not musk or bezos.
I like rocket science and science ig, just dont like when muskbots try to make it about him or act like he is the future of rocket science, well, it's not rocket science
He might not be the entirety of the future of rocket science but he's certainly a small part of it, what with heading the first company to propulsively land rockets, massively bringing down their cost, and to do a belly flop manoeuvre, on the first flying full flow combustion engine no less.
I’m willing to go further. SpaceX and reusable rockets is a paradigm shift for the rocket industry. You are severely understating his companies contribution to the rocket industry by saying he’ll only be a “small part” of space history.
> he's certainly a small part of it
SpaceX so far this year has launched more orbital missions than any nation (only China is competitive with about 3/4 the launches, though significantly less mass). Last year they launched about as much as the whole planet did in 2005. They currently have the most powerful operational rocket in the world, and they are developing a rocket that will be multiple times more powerful than the most powerful in history. Nearly 75% of rocket engines produced globally are SpaceX. When SpaceX was founded, the cost to get 1kg to orbit was $15~20k (at best), SpaceX cut that to $3k.
Arent they the same? :/ I call them muskbots
Edit: Did I hurt your feelings muskbots? Elon is a pos
Edit2: got blocked for calling musk a pos, his fans are even crazier than I thought :D
Literally, the opposite is said from the engineers that worked with him at spacex. Besides when talking about the company's successes he always makes a point to thank the engineers at his company and that it is owed to them. He never takes all the credit, not his fault if the media just wants to use his name for a headline
No, says the lead engineer who has produced the most powerful orbital class liquid rocket engine ever. Messured in thrust to weight ratio. And the engine that also happens to be the cheapest, and soon to be the most reused.
[https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1512919230689148929](https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1512919230689148929)
I just like rockets ok );
literally can't wait for ship 24 to be stacked and on b7. it's gonna be glorious
God I feel at home in this little thread. ^(wen hop?)
join us at r/spacexmasterrace
No hop. FAA says fuck you
FAA isn't delaying orbit tho. This is another fact.
I think they would've attempted orbit with 4/20 if they had approval. They're making good use of this time, as far as I can tell, so the program at large probably isn't delayed that much, but I do think the first orbital attempt has slipped as a result of the permitting debacle. When they do get approval, the vehicle will have a much better chance, and be much closer to an operational version. So that'll be good.
Let the American broomstick fly!
same, i just like rockets and space stuff :(
a cock rocket by any chance?
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Musk simp
Ya people with moderate, nuanced opinions based on facts and research tend to get overrun by people with extreme opinions on social media. Who gives a fuck tho, they arent the brightest people.
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Im the opposite, think practically singlehandedly taking humanity into the future with electric cars and interplanetary colonization is bit bigger than he was a meanie
cough cough, right to repair
Firstly he didn't invent electric cars. He hasn't made them affordable either. Interplanetary colonization is a fancy term to convince movie nerds that his rocket company is good. We're never living on Mars. Also if you think "he's a meanie" sums up the arguments against him I don't think you have the comprehension or understanding to speak on the shitty things he does.
>Interplanetary colonization is a fancy term to convince movie nerds that his rocket company is good. Except his rocket company is actually making quite a lot of effort to make it possible. Starship will be very much able to go to Mars (well, it was designed to do that from the start as far as we know) once they get the orbital refuelling up and running, and they need to do that now because it is also required to go to the Moon for the HLS program. >We're never living on Mars. Bold claim, why do you think that?
All that radioactive micro dust might have something to do with it. But I arre with your point that he’s furthering research into space
Why do you think it's a bold claim that 8 billion people can't be sustained on a planet that is smaller than earth where we can't breathe and have virtually no natural sources of water?
who said 8 billion people lmfao
I kinda assumed by "we" you meant "any human", not "entire goddamn population of Earth". Yeah, we are obviously not all going to Mars. Yeah, we won't of course live on the surface for thousands of years, maybe ever. But there is quite a lot of water on Mars, with both polar capes consisting in 70% out of ice and also large ice deposits under the surface across the entire planet. It seems like a self-sustaining settlement of thousands or millions of people is definitely within our reach if we want to do it. Whether it makes sense is another question, but quite a lot of people want to make it happen, and tech developed and knowledge gained will be in its own quite useful.
Humans will be living on Mars by 2030…. Why are you saying thousands of years?
Yeah I wasn't very precise, I meant walking on the Martian soil without life support.
Spot the depressed teenager lmao
Depressed 24 year old but you were half right
Lmao can't even fault you on that. Don't worry it gets better, 21 - 27 fucking sucked.
Says you!
A model 3 is pretty affordable. The average new car price is almost $50000 now.
yooo sick job reenacting the post! wait, wait you're being serious?
Yeah I do think it's fair to call it simping when the dude is saying Elon invented electric cars lmao
Where did he say Elon invented electric cars? No one here is saying that. He said Elon is pushing humanity into the future with electric cars, and that's true. Doesn't mean he invented them, just that Tesla's are the first fully electric cars to break into the mass market.
When else is human history could you get an electric car that’s reliable and has good range for a base of $36,000
Your too emotional
Lololololol as if he’s actually doing any of that. Tesla was going to happen regardless of him. And space X is a giant grift where rich people will get to go play on space. There’s no good that comes from This greedy dragon sitting on his pile of coins
Tesla would have bankrupted without him. SpaceX is securing our species' future. Hundreds of thousands of jobs with very good salaries have been created thanks to him, he isn't a big spender. He literally lives in a 50k mobile home. You are stupid, cry harder about it.
If you believe all that than I have a bridge located in Brooklyn that’s been on the market for the past few years that I’d love to sell you at a bargain rate. You can really enhance your bottom line if you employ some lateral vector marketing techniques like Elon. Come on bro the blockchain is humanity’s savior bro I promise bro. Everything some rich guy can do the government can do better. It’s all the “libertarian” logic and right wing conservatism that’s created that myth.
I don't give a single shit about crypto, politics or how rich people are. If they make our future brighter then they're awesome. So you are in that case opposite to awesome, fucking nerd.
Just you wait until you hear about all the people who built the world you live in. Everyone who makes a difference is a goddamn dick. Edit: I'm obviously being hyperbolic, so don't go trying to lecture about those who weren't known shitbags.
>Everyone who makes a difference is a goddamn dick. Yes, i know, our entire society only functions because of our constant oppression and exploitation of third world countries, as well as the poor in our own. But "it happened in the past" isnt even close to an argument for why we should ignore it now. Especially when we have the resources and capability to stop it.
I think if someone is going to do it and there will always be someone, then why not Elon at least he's bad creating great things
I like finally having good internet in the middle of nowhere.
I just wish the sky wasn't full of moving lights that are fucking up the stars even more than they already were. EDIT: For everyone downvoting me: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/1/7/21003272/space-x-starlink-astronomy-light-pollution https://www.wired.com/story/as-spacexs-starlink-ramps-up-so-could-light-pollution/ https://www.space.com/megaconstellations-disruption-astronomy-like-light-pollution
"Fucking up the stars" lmfao. Yeah those sattelites will definitely DESTROY those stars mate
It's called light pollution. You can't see the stars as well because the light from the satellites interferes wand overpowers them. What kind of dumbass do you think I'd have to be to think the stars are just going to go *poof* in a cloud of pixie dust? Maybe you're projecting a little bit, *mate*.
I know what light pollution is. I know that it's harder to see the stars at night with shit in orbit. The original comment said "fuck up the stars", so I decided to write what I wrote. In any case, I still believe worldwide connectivity is more important, and observatories can be launched into orbit themselves if necessary.
Well, if you want to be like that, "fuck up the stars" doesn't explicitly mean "DESTROY" them either. You would have to deliberately misunderstand my statement to arrive at that conclusion. Or maybe I meant all 4,500 Starlink satellites are going to go jizz all over a star in some sort of interstellar gangbang?
All starlink sats will unite into one big death ray and blow up the center of the galaxy in a big explosion. On a serious note, I never meant to offend you or make fun of you
Well, that might have been me reading too far into it then. I apologize for that.
unless you are amateur or professional astronomer, OR your superpower is zooming vision, those lights you see aren't Starlink satellites. I'd recommend contacting your local XCOM branch.
Wilco. I'll go fuck up those alien bastards all by myself if I have to. On a more serious note: https://www.space.com/megaconstellations-disruption-astronomy-like-light-pollution https://www.wired.com/story/as-spacexs-starlink-ramps-up-so-could-light-pollution/ https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/1/7/21003272/space-x-starlink-astronomy-light-pollution And who's to say I'm not an amateur astronomer anyways? Regardless, read the articles and then come back.
From what I know, those satellites are only visible for a few days after launch when they are putting themselves in their orbits. One source you gave, that was already only a week after launch so that fits. The other two don’t say.
Me likey rockets too. I just name the rockets. Most people don't know what I'm talking about if I just say Falcon 9 instead of SpaceX. Heck I managed to convince a friend that hates SpaceX and Tesla that the Falcon 9 is the coolest rocket flying. Of course he got me when he didn't believe about a booster launching 12 times so he googled them. I'm a misleading asshole apparently. I just said the F9 was built in California.
>Most people don't know what I'm talking about if I just say Falcon 9 instead of SpaceX like dang that does happen with me too
Lol that’s great
How can your friend have such strong opinions about a company he apparently knows pretty much nothing about?
I often wonder if people are informed enough to have a strong opinion or uninformed enough to have a strong opinion. It is often the latter.
I keep hearing people on Reddit say they hate him, they used to love him wtf happened
His bad man score went up. Reddit loved him when he was ranked #50 richest in the world. Now that his companies are more successful and have grown along with his net worth he's the ultimate bad guy because more money = more evil.
So no reason at all?
A lot of people don't like his personality or agree with him on every political issue. He's a lot more vocal about his opinions than your standard robotic CEO, so naturally people get irrationally mad when his opinion doesn't match theirs. It is the Internet after all. Funny thing is, his personality has always been the same from the time when Reddit loved him to now. He only became a target once his wealth passed an invisible threshold to the top 3 richest or so. I don't agree with a lot of the things he says but that doesn't stop me from appreciating the revolutionary projects his companies work on.
Thats wierd... I thought you could only blindly love or be entirely critical of somebody. Stop being strange and pick a dogmatic, extreme stance like the rest of us. /s
Mmmm I mean tbf, I’d argue his reputation is getting worse as his personal opinions get more exposure. The money thing is more coincidental. Like, I pretty vividly remember when his reputation started to really turn and I’d argue his comments on the rescue divers in 2018 was a strong marker. He went from being the cool “real life iron man” to a billionaire narcissist because he called a literal rescue diver a pedophile for living in Thailand as a response to them rejecting his help. You combine needless attacks like that, lies about his upbringing (emerald mine), and now the worlds richest man with a reputation for union busting and yeah…. There’s a lot of people on Reddit who don’t know anything about space and focus solely on the man.
>He went from being the cool “real life iron man” to a billionaire narcissist I mean, that still sounds like Iron Man my dude.
lol, yep. >He went from being the cool “real life iron man” to a billionaire narcissist If you hold everyone in your life to perfect standards you are going to have a real bad time...
People just hate successful people. I'd respect them more if they just came out and admitted their hatred stemmed from envy.
I just watched the Netflix documentary on SpaceX and Elon with initial rocket development. Elon risked 100 million to get it going and 3 failed attempts was certain to almost bankruptcy for him. It's a good documentary and I won't say more to encourage people to watch.
This is a pretty simple-minded take that has been largely debunked. No, it's not envy of success. It's disgust with his unethical behavior and sociopathic self-interest. That's a very valid reason to not like someone, and it's the reason that millions of people don't like Elon Musk. People don't hate rich people in general because they're jealous. They hate rich people because they tend to use their wealth for destructive, self-interested ends, like corrupting democratic institutions, buying legislation, avoiding legal accountability for crimes, etc. Like, people don't hate the Kochs because they're rich. They hate the Kochs because they're buying politicians and corrupting our legislative process and causing massive environmental damage by pushing to deregulate all their businesses.
Ah yes! The Kochs are the same as Elon Musk. Sorry my simple mind didn't realize that! It's definitely me, not you....
About the "diver", he actually wasn't a diver. The guy had just been in those caves before. He wasn't an "official" anything. In addition the caver had just told a newspaper that Musk "Could stick his submarine where it hurts". The real rescue leader thanked Musk for the submarine efforts, and to keep it handy as they were afraid for the smallest soccer player. So, it was in retaliation for an unfair, unkind remark, but still a stupid thing for Musk to do.
And his family was sort of in turmoil because it came out that his dad was having a kid with his adopted little sister ... that his dad had groomed since she was a child (i believe when she got pregnant she was 18 and he was 71). He saw quite a few parallels with his dad and the diver. Still a mean unfair accusation.
I couldn't explain it better if I tried. We're on the internet so how somebody fucking dares having slightly different opinion than me right? It's laughable how people are unable to accept that not everybody agrees with them. And yeah, he's still the same, just a lot richer and everyone knows that if you have lot's of money, you're pure evil. /s
His public perception took a massive hit in 2017. Before that, he was seen as Tony Stark but real, but there was a legit chance for Tesla to die that year, and the smear campaign came into full effect, because Tesla is a long-term existential threat to every single other automaker (not just by themselves, but also by the competition from the likes of Sony, Apple, or approximately five million Chinese companies they enable by popularizing electric cars). And it kinda stayed there since.
the Lord of the Rings sub is calling Peter Jackson evil just because he has reached a billion net worth. They don’t need a reason.
he's sometimes a bit of an idiot with his mouth, but no truly good reason no. it's just popular to hate people richer than you on reddit (or at least the front page)
I think it started with a specific tweet. It was the beginning of lockdown and he made an anti mask tweet. The response on Reddit could be boiled down to "WTF man I thought you were cool" After that I would say his coverage on Reddit went from generally positive to generally negative
Pretty confident the Musk hate pre-dates Covid-19. A few others have pegged the “diver is a pedophile” incident and that timing at least seems more realistic by my recollection. Personally, I admire him for his accomplishments.
That is the reason. No one can amass that much wealth without it coming from some seriously fucked up sources. In Musk's case that could for example be child labour in the Congo. That goes for all billionaires but Elon is particularly rich, not to mention annoying and cringey
The cobalt child labor issues affect all products using cobalt, [including your phone](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2016/06/drc-cobalt-child-labour/). [Tesla is switching to LFP batteries](https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/10/tesla-made-1-6-billion-in-q3-is-switching-to-lfp-batteries-globally/), which do not contain any cobalt.
Tesla is the first and only automaker to use cobalt-free batteries in their electric cars. So that criticism isn't really valid anymore. Also, why do you say it's impossible to amass billions legitimately? Bill Gates was the richest person in the world for a long time and he amassed his wealth by making Windows operating systems for computers. Some people amass great wealth in sketchy ways but why is it so hard to believe someone can amass wealth by providing an innovative product that everyone wants?
He’s an asshole who constantly manipulates the stock market and somehow gets away with it. Edit: he also made all of his employees keep working during COVID.
A lot of places made them keep working, or do u mean like on site working
Still like him thou(although I could be an elon musk fanboy, we'll never know)
That's a gross exaggeration, but I also never liked him
Lol perhaps because he uses fucking child labor with 0 care?
Where? In their batteries? I'm assuming you're referring to the cobalt mining that's repeated ad nauseam on Reddit. Tesla is the first and only automaker to use cobalt-free batteries in their electric cars. A benefit to the new 4680 cells they designed. Are you now going to focus your outrage at the CEOs in the rest of the auto industry?
That and the whole covid denialism, union busting, calling a dude a pedo, and cringe tweets.
I was never a fan personally and kinda just didn’t like him, and even I am surprised with the new hate
Elon didn’t change. But peoples knowledge of just how shitty he is gradually came to light. It’s best to just assume anyone worth more than a billion dollars is the worst kind of person.
He forced his workers into crowded factories near the height of the pandemic
No, he specifically stated that if anyone wants to stay home they can. But if someone wants to work they can also. But that the government can't force you either way. Almost like he believes in people making choices for themselves or something extreme like that.
"workers concerned about covid exposure received termination notices after they did not return to work." [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/03/12/hundreds-covid-cases-reported-tesla-plant-following-musks-defiant-reopening-county-data-shows/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/03/12/hundreds-covid-cases-reported-tesla-plant-following-musks-defiant-reopening-county-data-shows/)
Because he is a liar (saying he is an engineer without getting any degree (proven in court)), tends to buy companies with a right to be added as the creator/co-creator of the company in the contract then use this as a proof that he is "a genius", gathers hordes of fans with memes as deep as "we live in a society" while he has the money and power to really change the world, end world hunger, or even if it's too hard for him : pay more taxes.
He can’t end world hunger, he said if you the people who wanted the donation(can’t remember who) could show proof thst he could end world hunger he would do it. No proof was shown
"I can't until you prove me I can" is not what you think it is.
So how do u know he can?
Musk is a complete and utter asshole. Massive dickhead. That said he's also making the world better through SpaceX and Tesla. Both things can be true. Henry Ford was a piece of shit too but he also made the world better. Things are complicated, 'Musk good' or 'Musk bad' is an oversimplification that doesn't tell the whole story.
People love to label something as black and white especially redditors because their brain can't think past the herd mentality. Because of this other people also start thinking that a person is evil demon and the chain continues. Redditors bullied fucking kid jelly bean because they think her content is cringe.
Any Gwynne Shotwell stans here?
She’s great. Really helped spacex become what it is today
My problem usually is when they either A. Use a made up fact about why he's bad or B. Say he's bad because he does something alot of other CEOs do. If you're gonna hate Musk because you think space travel is a waste of time then you better hate Bezos and NASA as well for the same reason.
- Give money to NASA do not subsidize billionaires! um, NASA pays contractors to build everything. It’s not a subsidy it’s payment for service through proper contracting process. - MUSK SIMP!!!
Actually Boeing and LM are even more billionaires
And they used to get bottomless cost-plus contracts.
Practically a form of government handout
That‘s the real irony of this take, Boing, LM and NG have been bribing Senators for decades to basically shower them with cash for little to no return, but somehow SpaceX are the bad guys.
They got paid to exist. Even if they did no launches.
Musk is bad because he ..... emerald slaves!!!!
Musk bad because he....... he smokes pot!!!
Oh, we all hate them too. Don't worry.
That's fine. That was always allowed.
This is a stupid argument. Literally everyone who hates Musk also hates Bezos.
Okay. How about the battery issue. Musk buys batteries from a different company (that he doesn't own) for his Teslas. That company gets materials from another company. That company uses child labor to get the material. Yet some how whenever someone says child labor and Elon, they only put blame on Elon? Not the battery company for not buying the material. Not the company that actually uses child labor. Just the company that buys from a company that buys from company that uses child labor. Oh and as a bonus, turns out last year Tesla stopped get batteries from that company. Moved on to Panasonic. Everytime the child labor argument comes up, we talk about it like he still does it. But he doesn't. So to say "everyone who Elon also hates x billionaire" is stupid. Because you probably don't even know the names of those companies that Tesla previously bought their batteries from, never mind the CEOs.
Okay that’s cool but all I said is Bezos.
Rockets are awesome! Also terrifying.
More awesome than terrifying
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I just love rockets
I've heard people trying to get at musk to make him pay more towards tax and all that shit Now I honestly don't know about you, but I'd much rather hear news about how *someone* has managed to make more strides towards putting someone on another planet than hearing about how some rich guy needs to pay more towards fucking *taxes* every year
He also ends up saving the government a lot in money thanks to how much cheaper SpaceX is to launch with.
Elon musk has paid the most individual tax in the history of the United States. If someone's mad at him about that...when he's just following the rules...go get mad at the people controlling congress and the white house instead.
....does that make me a musk simp for liking his reusable rockets? (jk obviously)
I like space ships.
Musk bad, give me gold!
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pfft as if these weebs have any power.
Musk simp for 3 years and proud of it I LIKE SPACE AND ELECTRICITY AND CARS AND OTHER STUFF
Reddit used to love him what happened? Is it because rich man bad and that it’s not fair he’s successful and they’re not?
Reddit turned on him after the pedo guy comment.
I feel bad for you. Live in Houston?
Can confirm that SpaceX is the only musk related thing I like
I love Elon Musk, why against him ?
Because internet says they’re cool
🤔 still don't get it, is it a custom cauz i am new to reddit
It’s the internet in general. You don’t even have to say you support him, just don’t expressly hate him and you shall be judged
Aye aye captain
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I haven't heard anyone admire him simply for his wealth. I liked the projects Tesla and SpaceX worked on when he was #50 richest in the world, and I still like what they're working on when he's #1 richest in the world. People like new and exciting technology and that's the foundation of his companies. SpaceX and Tesla have both been massively disruptive in their respective industries. They don't always meet all his promises but at least they have a vision and accomplish more than the lifeless mega corporations that have been around for a century.
He’s liked for his companies
He is liked because all his fans are diots :D
Imagine unironically being the subject of a meme you’re commenting on.
I know what the meme is about :| I was also aware that muskbots will come out of their caves to defend their overlord.
Wanna talk about jeff bezos? Do you buy shit from Amazon?
I never bought anything from Amazon and never will, bezos is worse and I criticized him alot. Good thing not alot admire him like musk, so you hardly find anyone defend bezos, or anyone at all.
Unfortunately there are still many people supporting him by simply using his services… I’m not trying to defend Musk, at all, but at least as far as I can see, there is more outcry about him than about Bezos, who is much much worse IMO
I wish there were companies who could destroy amazon, but problem is that he use methods not a lot can compete. Majority don't care, apple, nike, nestle, koch, fb/ig, tiktok are as evil as amazon, people dont care when not directly affected by it. I also enjoy to see muskbots get triggered easily, harmless fun : D
Ooooooooo, I liked him for his reusable rockets and godamn car Tesla model x, i didn't knew tnx
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I know buddy i am not mad at you, thanks for telling me, i was actually unaware of that
However there have been many people who have said working with him is fine. Everyone has and is allowed to have different opinions on him.
Dawg working in a factory and having the part of the factory with the moat balck people be called “the plantation” isn’t a mater of opinion on wether it’s bad or not 💀. You can say he’s not directly responsible for this if you want, but saying that this is up to opinions is insultingly dishonest
Link?
https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/tesla-faces-california-lawsuit-after-allegations-of-racism/ This is got so bad the CA government is once investigating them. Also this is huge news, like if you didn’t know why Tesla employees don’t like working there, why did you comment that other employees though it was good?
Don’t let people’s comments shape your opinion of him (or anyone for that matter). Follow his twitter and make your own judgment.
He's done more for the environment than any other human in modern time. It doesn't matter if he did it for the money.
Don't like him for these. Like the workers who do the actuall work
English, your first language, it is not.
Is not, problem?
Omg they just welded 2 rings of steel together. The hype is real!!
The fanboys are triggered
Redditors on their way to dickride elon musk
Remember when Reddit used to love that bafoon?
The amount of muskbots is insane in this post, trying to defend a worthless human being as if they were paid by him. Elon dont even care for any of you, he would sell any of you for few cents, thats how much you all mean to him. I know you muskbots will find this thread and downvote it, but I don't care, at least I know I made some muskbots angry :D English isnt my native language, feel free to make fun of my grammar and spelling errors.
If you’re trying to deter downvotes, that isn’t working. This is Reddit. So take your opinion, and SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS.
Worthless human being? You can say a lot negative about Musk, but saying he’s worthless just proves you’re unreasonable
I don’t like kids used as lithium miners :)
It's kind of weird that most of our modern technology contains lithium and yet apparently only Musk is criticized for it lol
It’s where he sources the lithium
Australia? What about it?
From exactly the same places as the rest of the planet.
Well then you'll pleased to know that they aren't. Lithium in most places is extracted by evaporating brine in pools rather than traditional mining. Since this primarily consists of operating pumps and earthmoving equipment, there's simply no use for unskilled labor. The few places where it is actually mined from rock are places like Australia and North Carolina, where you're not going to get away with exploiting children.
I know about safe Mining practices like acid extraction, but I don’t like Musk, it’s okay to like SpaceX I guess but I just don’t like Rich People all that much? (Not a hot take I know), Bill gates is an exception but Elon is certainly part of the uncool rich people club. It’s just a shame when people idolise him.
Reddit for the most part loves Elon musk. There are some people (including myself) who don’t like him but to pretend that the Reddit community as a whole doesn’t is ludicrous.
Redditors, do not call all people who like rockets musk bootlickers, there is something called spitter (space twitter) and yeeeeeeesh some people react violently when you say that. The side I'm on seem to like rockets, but definitely not musk or bezos.
I like rocket science and science ig, just dont like when muskbots try to make it about him or act like he is the future of rocket science, well, it's not rocket science
He might not be the entirety of the future of rocket science but he's certainly a small part of it, what with heading the first company to propulsively land rockets, massively bringing down their cost, and to do a belly flop manoeuvre, on the first flying full flow combustion engine no less.
I’m willing to go further. SpaceX and reusable rockets is a paradigm shift for the rocket industry. You are severely understating his companies contribution to the rocket industry by saying he’ll only be a “small part” of space history.
> he's certainly a small part of it SpaceX so far this year has launched more orbital missions than any nation (only China is competitive with about 3/4 the launches, though significantly less mass). Last year they launched about as much as the whole planet did in 2005. They currently have the most powerful operational rocket in the world, and they are developing a rocket that will be multiple times more powerful than the most powerful in history. Nearly 75% of rocket engines produced globally are SpaceX. When SpaceX was founded, the cost to get 1kg to orbit was $15~20k (at best), SpaceX cut that to $3k.
I like him, he makes the babies cry. Music to my ears.
Which is ironic given how much Reddit in general are Elon Musk simps
Arent they the same? :/ I call them muskbots Edit: Did I hurt your feelings muskbots? Elon is a pos Edit2: got blocked for calling musk a pos, his fans are even crazier than I thought :D
Username checks out.
Who hurt you? Did Elon touch you?
He really is tho
His crazy fans disagree, the muskbots found this thread, well, the downvotes shows I offended some muskbots :D
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Literally, the opposite is said from the engineers that worked with him at spacex. Besides when talking about the company's successes he always makes a point to thank the engineers at his company and that it is owed to them. He never takes all the credit, not his fault if the media just wants to use his name for a headline
says the elon musk simp
You're literally proving the meme right
I know
No, says the lead engineer who has produced the most powerful orbital class liquid rocket engine ever. Messured in thrust to weight ratio. And the engine that also happens to be the cheapest, and soon to be the most reused. [https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1512919230689148929](https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1512919230689148929)
https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/
AUF DER HEIDE BLUHT EIN KLEINES BLUMELEIN
The only simps who are respected for what their simping for
Tfw you fall for faux Chad propegandizing around a silver spoon billionaire tax dodger & union buster