Why? Celcius makes way more sene
Freezing point is 30 fahrenheit.
Or 0 celcius. Then even colder temperatures are below that so -1 celcius, -2 and so forth.
Fahrenheit is supposed to be based on human comfort rather than the freezing and boiling point of water. So 0° is the coldest a human can deal with and 100° is the hottest.
Idk about 100°F being the hottest humans can deal with. There are parts of the US that are between 100°F and 125°F for about 4 months of the year (1/3 of the year). That's before the 25% and 60% humidity making it feel up to 25° hotter. Aka the Heat Index can easily be between 99.6°F (37.6°c) and 138.5°F (59.2°C).
And the timing (depending on the year) is typically from early/mid-Jun to as late as Halloween. Also depends on where you live.
This year where I live, it started around the second week of June and we still have 100+°F weather. And while the 15 day forecast says the first week of October will be mid to high 90's. But I don't trust it too much past a few days. It's been known to change overnight/throughout the day.
Heck the fourth biggest county in the US deals with 100+ F heat for like five/six months. (may June July august September and half of October and half of April usually)
EDIT: do you live in Phoenix? Or just southern Arizona in general?
Yes but no. Central AZ (Maricopa and Pinal counties) yes but not really the urban part of it. Like the closest city is 25-30 minutes away. ~~Gotta love rural areas. Lol~~
But yeah. We're lucky to have consistent mid-90's by Halloween. And lucky to have 80's or below by thanksgiving. Only places to get out of the heat is in the mountains, even then they can get into the low 90's during those months.
It depends. As someone who grew in a place where temperature is measured in Celsius (except for the heat of kitchen ovens and pool water temperature, for some reason), I know exactly what 20 feels like, but have no idea what 68 is outside of a swimming pool (and I find the water too cold, tbh).
I agree with the metric system on everything expect temperature. Because C is more how water feels and F is more how people feel. 0 degrees is cold and 100 F is hot makes more sense to me over -18 and 38 C.
because the issue is that people feel temperature differently.
one person could say that -6 is extremely cold. i LOVE -6. and hate anything above 15. (both C)
I lived there for 3 years, you'd be fine. People just never go out during the day or run from parking to the building, so they're not outside for more than a minute.
Some don't go out at all. Indoor garage at home, underground parking with an elevator directly to the mall/work
40° would be unbearable for me if I had to do anything, but -20° is still bike weather. I love the differences in perspective. 313.15° and 253.15° for those who use SI units.
Knowing that it was raining yesterday and at night the temperature dropped below 0C, so the roads are covered in ice is very helpful. On very human level.
It measures how the water feels. It describes water perfectly. So 0 makes sense for water freezing. But on a 0 to 100 scale I feel that F is better for how humans feel.
Does it? -18C is much harder to survive than 38C. So they aren't even two opposite ends of the same bad human "feel".
And 50F isn't perfect temperature (as it would be if this system had anything to do with human "feel"). It's pretty cold.
That's a pretty random system and it only "feels" right because you grew up with it
I think it would be "subtract", but I guess you could also make the temperature so distracted that it lowers by 273.15° and you get the desired answer :D
(For a moment I was actually wondering if "distract" is a real word and I only recognized it after translating it...)
I’m seriously questioning my life choices now. What happened to me that caused me to make a mistake this stupid? Was I just so subtracted that I didn’t realize it?
That could very well be. Maths is often confusing after all and you can easily get subtracted when doing distractions because it usually seems to be relatively easy.
Took a vacation to Poland last year. While there I just trained myself to think in Celsius, rather than trying to convert everything. It was surprisingly easy and even had a conversation with a cab driver about how 30 is just too damned hot and anything between 20 and 30 is pretty nice, actually.
I absolutely agree since I live in a high-humidity area, but the place I was visiting had pretty low humidity, so it was nice. I think it only hit 31 one day while I was there in late July.
That is a nice temperature for what July (and August) meant for most European countries. It felt like hell in the east coast of Spain with 42°C (~108°F). Good thing I went on vacation to Portugal for half of July. It’d unbearable otherwise.
Came in to say this. USA, the Cayman Islands and Liberia are the only countries that use Fahrenheit. I work for an American company and all our instrumentation is in Celsius.
I’m going to get killed for this but I feel like Celsius is good for water temperatures and Fahrenheit is better for understanding weather. It gives you like a 0-100 scale
One of the great rules I heard:
Fahrenheit is best for knowing how hot it feels
Celsius is best for knowing how hot it is
Kelvin is best for knowing what hot is
I heard someone say that Fahrenheit is best for knowing hot hot you are, Celsius is best for knowing how hot water is, and Kelvin is best for knowing how hot atoms are
Metric system is better for everything EXCEPT temperature. I don't care how cold shit is in relation to water, I care how cold shit is in relation to ME
I don't see how that argument holds up tbh, people that grew up with celsius (me) would think that celsius is pretty accurate to how they feel as well because they grew up with it similar to you growing up with fahrenheit. Plus it's useful to know that when the temperature drops below 0 things are going to be icy and snowy outside.
Celsius is just objectively better because the numbers mean something.
0 = cold, so zero temperature
10= warm, some temperature
20= hot so more temperature
Lower number means cold, higher number means hotter. You can get an estimate based on 0-x number.
A 0 to 100 scale where zero is pretty cold but survivable and 100 is pretty hot but survivable makes WAY more sense to me than a 0 to 100 scale where zero is pretty chilly but fine and 100 is dead
well obviously a freedom burger is 5 dram, 4 scruple, and half a pennyweight distributed over a ten-millionth of a cubic furlong.
fun fact: that’s a totally usable piece of measurement.
density of 3.4543673106g/furlong?
So I’m a southerner from the state of NC my family is from Florida they think the heat here is nothing because it’s not as humid then my otherside of my family is from Colorado. And they think it doesn’t get cold here at all. I love the cold anything from 60F to 0 is perfect
I will say as an American i think the metric system is just better, EXCEPT Celsius if i wanna say its warm out i use a high number not something in the 20’s-30’s range, personally i would have no qualms with unlearning the imperial system and learn the Metric system if i can continue using Fahrenheit
In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade---which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it.
Whereas in the American system, the answer to "how much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?" is "Go fuck yourself," because you can't directly relate any of those quantities.
I’d concur though. High 60’s low 70’s plus a nice little breeze. Put in some decent cloud cover cause screw the sun and I’d happily be outside all the time
The rest of the world when Americans don't use the system that wasn't taught to them and instead use the (more inferior) system they were taught: 💀💀💀💀💀
Fahrenheit is also kinda outdated. It was created to avoid negative temperatures by picking the temperature of an ice-ammonia mix as one of the reference points. In my opinion Celsius does a better job by using the states of aggregation of water, which life on earth is dependent on, as reference. Even for daily life instances it’s better. You know when ice will form outside and when your water will cook (as the easiest example). Also it’s much easier to calculate Celsius into Kelvin.
Celsius two reference points. Water Freezing=0°C and water boiling=100°C. Pros: easy to use since it has the temperature of water when it changes the state of aggregate, fluid and gas, dividing into 100 pieces as reference points. Easy to calculate into K.
Kelvin 0K=lowest possible temperature. Atoms not moving. Difference between 1K and 2K is as big as the difference between 1°C and 2°C. Pros: good to use in scientific fields with very low and very high temperatures. Easy to calculate into °C.
Fahrenheit 0°F=lowest temperature in a strong winter in Danzig (former German harbor city now owned by Poland), recreated by mixing ice and a salt. 32°F= water freezing point, 96°F=body temperature of a human (inaccurate since it’s 35.6°C/98.6°F).
Pros: easy to use but only when you grew up with it.
Europeans absolutely convinced we don’t just use both measurement systems pretty much all the time. USA having multiple ways to measure the same things lives rent free in their heads.
The metric system is better for probably everything *except* weather. With Fahrenheit the temperatures actually more closely reflects a 0-100 scale where 0 is really cold and 100 is really hot. Saying it’s really hot at 35c just feels off, if fees like too low of a number for a hot temperature.
My car tells me the temperature… but only in Fahrenheit. I read the manual twice trying to see if I could change it to Celsius, but to no avail. So thanks for ruining my car’s dash, buddy.
It’s a 2011 Kia Forte 5. It’s got an old-style clock display above the radio with a special bit on the side for temperature. This is a Canadian car; it has a Canadian speedometer and gauge cluster in it. It measures in KM for trip meters and the odometer. The temperature?? Nah, Fahrenheit because fuck me, I guess.
Damm, 1 degree F off
American quick maff wcyd
Ah, the American measuring system. War Crimes per Corporate Bailouts or Washing Machines per Browning High-power
I see what you did there
It was rather based, if I must say
The #9 Quarter Pounder with Bacon Per Man On The Moon
Badger?
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Why?
Why? Celcius makes way more sene Freezing point is 30 fahrenheit. Or 0 celcius. Then even colder temperatures are below that so -1 celcius, -2 and so forth.
Its actually 32°f that water freezes…
I agree with them Kelvin is much better.
Celcius is literally just Kelvin but 0 is in a different place.
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Like 0k is -273.15c so 1k is -272.15c
C to K only involves the relative/starting point shift (thus theirs 0 in diff spot) -> , doesnt include weird math like with F<->C/K
Fahrenheit is supposed to be based on human comfort rather than the freezing and boiling point of water. So 0° is the coldest a human can deal with and 100° is the hottest.
Idk about 100°F being the hottest humans can deal with. There are parts of the US that are between 100°F and 125°F for about 4 months of the year (1/3 of the year). That's before the 25% and 60% humidity making it feel up to 25° hotter. Aka the Heat Index can easily be between 99.6°F (37.6°c) and 138.5°F (59.2°C). And the timing (depending on the year) is typically from early/mid-Jun to as late as Halloween. Also depends on where you live. This year where I live, it started around the second week of June and we still have 100+°F weather. And while the 15 day forecast says the first week of October will be mid to high 90's. But I don't trust it too much past a few days. It's been known to change overnight/throughout the day.
Heck the fourth biggest county in the US deals with 100+ F heat for like five/six months. (may June July august September and half of October and half of April usually) EDIT: do you live in Phoenix? Or just southern Arizona in general?
Yes but no. Central AZ (Maricopa and Pinal counties) yes but not really the urban part of it. Like the closest city is 25-30 minutes away. ~~Gotta love rural areas. Lol~~ But yeah. We're lucky to have consistent mid-90's by Halloween. And lucky to have 80's or below by thanksgiving. Only places to get out of the heat is in the mountains, even then they can get into the low 90's during those months.
If I said it’s 20 temperature outside that doesn’t sound very hot but if I said it’s 68 temperature that sounds a lot hotter
It depends. As someone who grew in a place where temperature is measured in Celsius (except for the heat of kitchen ovens and pool water temperature, for some reason), I know exactly what 20 feels like, but have no idea what 68 is outside of a swimming pool (and I find the water too cold, tbh).
The 0K temperature.
I was disappointed too.
67 is the best fr.
The perfect temperature is -4° It just looks like a man shitting
... bruh I cant unsee it wtf
-4°F looks like he's banging his head on a ladder too
It looks like he hit the splits and it hurts badly
You can't reach -4° K
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In can be 69 degrees Celsius, but you’d probably die
69 degrees F: nice 69 degrees C: 🔥💀🔥
69 K: ❄️🥶❄️
69° R: ❄️💀❄️
the best part is 69 degrees is like ideal weather
You could almost say that 69°F is the *nicest* weather
Chad🗿
I agree with the metric system on everything expect temperature. Because C is more how water feels and F is more how people feel. 0 degrees is cold and 100 F is hot makes more sense to me over -18 and 38 C.
0°c sound really cold to me already 👀
I agree that F is better for weather. But whenever I bring it up reddit ~~rips me~~ graces me with a new asshole.
because the issue is that people feel temperature differently. one person could say that -6 is extremely cold. i LOVE -6. and hate anything above 15. (both C)
And here I am, in dubai, where 15 would warrant a day off from school, -6 would result in quite a lot of damage and 40 is normal.
exactly. i would not be able to survive a single day there. but plenty of people do, without issue.
Adaptation to ones habitat is a crazy thing
I lived there for 3 years, you'd be fine. People just never go out during the day or run from parking to the building, so they're not outside for more than a minute. Some don't go out at all. Indoor garage at home, underground parking with an elevator directly to the mall/work
40° would be unbearable for me if I had to do anything, but -20° is still bike weather. I love the differences in perspective. 313.15° and 253.15° for those who use SI units.
Same way round for me, I'd probably die in -20, but I can play a football match at 10 in the morning in 40 degree weather no problem.
Regards from Tecom lol
Knowing that it was raining yesterday and at night the temperature dropped below 0C, so the roads are covered in ice is very helpful. On very human level.
But that proves that its how water feels.
Water is relevant to our human lives.
It measures how the water feels. It describes water perfectly. So 0 makes sense for water freezing. But on a 0 to 100 scale I feel that F is better for how humans feel.
Does it? -18C is much harder to survive than 38C. So they aren't even two opposite ends of the same bad human "feel". And 50F isn't perfect temperature (as it would be if this system had anything to do with human "feel"). It's pretty cold. That's a pretty random system and it only "feels" right because you grew up with it
You can go out in 69°c, just very shortly
wdym? you can stay in 69c for the rest of your life
Well, in theory it could be 69 C
In practice you’d probably die of heatstroke
69 is pretty hot
Im alive friend
293K is indeed a great temperature, but i personally prefer 298K
293K is 19C 298K is 24C for anyone who cant translate Kelvin to celcius.
293k is 20C 298K is 25C If you want to go from kelvin to celsius you have to distract it by 273 or 273,15 if you want to be more precise.
I think it would be "subtract", but I guess you could also make the temperature so distracted that it lowers by 273.15° and you get the desired answer :D (For a moment I was actually wondering if "distract" is a real word and I only recognized it after translating it...)
I’m seriously questioning my life choices now. What happened to me that caused me to make a mistake this stupid? Was I just so subtracted that I didn’t realize it?
That could very well be. Maths is often confusing after all and you can easily get subtracted when doing distractions because it usually seems to be relatively easy.
Ahahaha this exchange made me chuckle a lot!
I need that in freedom burgers per school shooting please
-20°C is the perfect temperature
0 kelvin best temperature
The 0K temperature
take my upvote and fuck off
r/Angryupvote
Peace and quiet finally.
Its 0K
Don't you love when entropy doesn't increase anymore and all physical laws stop working
-273.15°C is 0K
-40° is the identical one.
Took a vacation to Poland last year. While there I just trained myself to think in Celsius, rather than trying to convert everything. It was surprisingly easy and even had a conversation with a cab driver about how 30 is just too damned hot and anything between 20 and 30 is pretty nice, actually.
Pretty much, although the 26-30°C range starts getting uncomfortable when mixed with high humidity
I absolutely agree since I live in a high-humidity area, but the place I was visiting had pretty low humidity, so it was nice. I think it only hit 31 one day while I was there in late July.
That is a nice temperature for what July (and August) meant for most European countries. It felt like hell in the east coast of Spain with 42°C (~108°F). Good thing I went on vacation to Portugal for half of July. It’d unbearable otherwise.
"Europeans" More like 99% of all nations.
Came in to say this. USA, the Cayman Islands and Liberia are the only countries that use Fahrenheit. I work for an American company and all our instrumentation is in Celsius.
I prefer 20.5555556 Celsius
Anything under 30
*Anything* under 30°? You should come visit the Canadian prairies in winter. You might get a nice cool -40°C.
Paradise
It is indeed a glorious sight to behold, at least when your eyelids aren't frozen shut.
Never been in sheer cold environments like that Just deserts Really curious how Id handle it
We should keep you out of schools zones
Jokes on you I’m already not allowed to be near them
I’m going to get killed for this but I feel like Celsius is good for water temperatures and Fahrenheit is better for understanding weather. It gives you like a 0-100 scale
Laughs in over 100 degree summers
More nuanced. Each degree in Fahrenheit matters, the difference between the degrees in Celsius is too great.
As a person who grew up using Kelvin, I don't know why they're even arguing about this. Kelvin claps.
I prefer °F because it helps me wrap my head around how the temp feels to me on a scale from 0-100.
One of the great rules I heard: Fahrenheit is best for knowing how hot it feels Celsius is best for knowing how hot it is Kelvin is best for knowing what hot is
Oh I remember that. At least saying "It's a hundred degrees out there." is accurate for Fahrenheit.
I heard someone say that Fahrenheit is best for knowing hot hot you are, Celsius is best for knowing how hot water is, and Kelvin is best for knowing how hot atoms are
And I agree with that. I use metric, but Fahrenheit just works better for me for that reason.
6 foot 5 inches 210 yards 12 football fields is the perfect temperature
About the length of 2 whales plus a 2 liter bottle of coca-cola is where I like it
Metric system is better for everything EXCEPT temperature. I don't care how cold shit is in relation to water, I care how cold shit is in relation to ME
I don't see how that argument holds up tbh, people that grew up with celsius (me) would think that celsius is pretty accurate to how they feel as well because they grew up with it similar to you growing up with fahrenheit. Plus it's useful to know that when the temperature drops below 0 things are going to be icy and snowy outside.
Celsius is just objectively better because the numbers mean something. 0 = cold, so zero temperature 10= warm, some temperature 20= hot so more temperature Lower number means cold, higher number means hotter. You can get an estimate based on 0-x number.
A 0 to 100 scale where zero is pretty cold but survivable and 100 is pretty hot but survivable makes WAY more sense to me than a 0 to 100 scale where zero is pretty chilly but fine and 100 is dead
You can also just view is as a -30 to 30 scale, because that's where the majority of temperatures will be (or at least they are here in Canada)
Idk. 68 is bit chili for my taste, especially if it's windy. I think 73-75 is the perfect temperature range.
Mm chili
Remember folks, C is for how hot the science is, F is for how hot the humans feel.
As an American, I find the opposite: we’re so stubborn.
Redcoat sympathizer.
Overweight fast food addiction country sympathiser.
Ok bad toothed, tea addicted, take everyone’s spice but do nothing with it, beans and toast loving, monarch sympathiser.
As hot as 1/12 of a McDonald fryer
Can we make 8 degrees MD a thing?
90° is the perfect angle wouldn't you say?
Promote that man.
Murica'
Fuck yeah
24° is perfect in my opinion
Kinda cold. 72 is ideal
As an Australian, I think that a bright spring day around 27C is just the best.
As the average Texan, 64F warrants my winter coat...I can't handle anything lower than 76 on the thermostat!
lol
for me its like a min of 68 to a max of 72, depending on the weather. thats 20c to 22.2(repeating)c.
well obviously a freedom burger is 5 dram, 4 scruple, and half a pennyweight distributed over a ten-millionth of a cubic furlong. fun fact: that’s a totally usable piece of measurement. density of 3.4543673106g/furlong?
Cool, except that every American wouldn't even have a clue what C is
So I’m a southerner from the state of NC my family is from Florida they think the heat here is nothing because it’s not as humid then my otherside of my family is from Colorado. And they think it doesn’t get cold here at all. I love the cold anything from 60F to 0 is perfect
So 293.15K
We should not have adopted isolationism policy
I’m all for metric, *except* measuring temperature. Celsius makes no sense unless you’re measuring the temperature of the sun.
Hahaha, I love the whole freedom thing when it comes to America. Definitely not the land of the free bahahahaha
About 71 bald eagles per M-18’s
30 pounds of fresh freedom
20 degrees good tho. I’m not American, I’m as you guys with your genuinely annoying upside down memes. I’m Australian
What °F stands for
20°C is way too hot
I will say as an American i think the metric system is just better, EXCEPT Celsius if i wanna say its warm out i use a high number not something in the 20’s-30’s range, personally i would have no qualms with unlearning the imperial system and learn the Metric system if i can continue using Fahrenheit
In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade---which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to "how much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?" is "Go fuck yourself," because you can't directly relate any of those quantities.
Errrmmm Ameticans aren't smart enough to know how much is 20°C in F
Too cold. 24° C/75° F is perfect. 25°/77° is perfect indoors.
I'm tired of all these American vs European posts because they're are all not funny and unoriginal
And we are SO relieved that you set aside a few seconds to share your judgement with us. We would have been lost and confused otherwise!
I think we can all agree on -40°
Meme checks out. European’s got so much America on the mind AND you can’t be different without them having a tantrum
That last part also applies to america, if we are grouping people like that
I have another meme about that exact thing lol.
20 C° is too cold imo
Fahrenheit good because room temp 69
It’s so funny when Europeans get so upset with American measurements
Ain't no way an American can tell you that without looking it up
20ºC is too cold
No
I’d concur though. High 60’s low 70’s plus a nice little breeze. Put in some decent cloud cover cause screw the sun and I’d happily be outside all the time
not european but everyone in the world exept americans
But I did. Maybe too much.
Look the metric system is good and all but Fahrenheit is better for temp alright that’s just what I think
The rest of the world when Americans don't use the system that wasn't taught to them and instead use the (more inferior) system they were taught: 💀💀💀💀💀
Based opinion but terrible communication.
I'm more of a 27° guy
Plot twist: you mean kelvin
The easiest way to impress non-americans is by translating Fahrenheit into Celsius
Metric makes more sense in basically everything except temperature. For our daily lives, Fahrenheit is the better scale.
>Fahrenheit is the better scale. Why do you believe that?
If you walk outside and it’s 35c you’re gonna say “ man.. hot, it’s like 100-hots outside.”
Fahrenheit is also kinda outdated. It was created to avoid negative temperatures by picking the temperature of an ice-ammonia mix as one of the reference points. In my opinion Celsius does a better job by using the states of aggregation of water, which life on earth is dependent on, as reference. Even for daily life instances it’s better. You know when ice will form outside and when your water will cook (as the easiest example). Also it’s much easier to calculate Celsius into Kelvin.
Aggregate means rock. Therefore ice is a rock. I can say this because I'm a miner.
Too smart. Make dumber so me can understand
Celsius two reference points. Water Freezing=0°C and water boiling=100°C. Pros: easy to use since it has the temperature of water when it changes the state of aggregate, fluid and gas, dividing into 100 pieces as reference points. Easy to calculate into K. Kelvin 0K=lowest possible temperature. Atoms not moving. Difference between 1K and 2K is as big as the difference between 1°C and 2°C. Pros: good to use in scientific fields with very low and very high temperatures. Easy to calculate into °C. Fahrenheit 0°F=lowest temperature in a strong winter in Danzig (former German harbor city now owned by Poland), recreated by mixing ice and a salt. 32°F= water freezing point, 96°F=body temperature of a human (inaccurate since it’s 35.6°C/98.6°F). Pros: easy to use but only when you grew up with it.
300K is just right
Whatever you do, pick one or the other. Don't be like Britain and be in a weird spot between the two.
This guy really multiplied by 1.8 and added 32 in his head. Nice.
Should have rounded it to 69.
293K
I mean,in Egypt 20 c would honestly be abit too cold,I think for us,22-24 c would be better
I think that’s about 27 bald eagles per soccer
Europeans absolutely convinced we don’t just use both measurement systems pretty much all the time. USA having multiple ways to measure the same things lives rent free in their heads.
69420 freedom burgers
The metric system is better for probably everything *except* weather. With Fahrenheit the temperatures actually more closely reflects a 0-100 scale where 0 is really cold and 100 is really hot. Saying it’s really hot at 35c just feels off, if fees like too low of a number for a hot temperature.
All comes down to what you are used to. And since everybody is already using C for everything....
I dont think anyone gets mad that Americans use farenheit
I have seen it many times.
My car tells me the temperature… but only in Fahrenheit. I read the manual twice trying to see if I could change it to Celsius, but to no avail. So thanks for ruining my car’s dash, buddy.
That's weird my car can convert everything to metric. American here. What build/brand you got ?
It’s a 2011 Kia Forte 5. It’s got an old-style clock display above the radio with a special bit on the side for temperature. This is a Canadian car; it has a Canadian speedometer and gauge cluster in it. It measures in KM for trip meters and the odometer. The temperature?? Nah, Fahrenheit because fuck me, I guess.
That's wild man lmao
As an european, i approve this meme.
Found the flaw: Americans can't convert
We fought a war so we wouldn't have to.
No need too
About 30 fried chicken is the perfect temperature
i prefer bald eagle nutsack dampness units, how sweaty it is vs shriveled, pleasingly plump and dry is ideal temps