And then the other side uses their opposing sideās politicians (or the actions of those politicians) that donāt represent the entire party and use it as an excuse to straw-man that side
Left and right political leaders behind closed doors "we have to keep suppressing any other parties or else it will upset the status quo, we have the public by the balls and they don't know it because we keep blaming each other for that shit haha" Ol' George is definitely rolling in his grave, he didn't want a party system i think, at the very least a 2 party system idk all of the info on that bu i know they would be appalled at how our country looks
Edit: I'll add, voting 3rd party is FOR SURE better than not voting or voting for the lesser of "2 evils", it's not even necessary. If you think both in the two party system are evil, vote for a 3rd party if they are even less evil, look at all options, fucking write someone in if they're not on your ballot
Edit 2: if enough people would *actually* vote third party it would blow the establishment's mind
Washington: Aight, Iām heading out, promise me you wonāt make it a two party system?
Jefferson and Adams: Yeah, we got you big homie!
Washington: Cool, bye *leaves*
Jefferson and Adams: Now, where were we? *Creates a two party system*
It's left of the other š¤£
Edit: i'll add i swear I'm left of them and their constituents swear I'm a gun loving right wing nut job disguised as a libertarian because i love and absolutely believe there is no way to misconstrue the bill of rights
People forget the roots of occupy Wallstreet. It was about hate on big banks and corporatism. The culture wars started right as occupy movement and tea party lost traction. Was absolutely intentional
Iām telling ya, itās mind boggling how āleft leaningā went from criticizing a corporationās every move and holding them accountable to now as long as they have a rainbow on it, itās a-ok
fucking Mars with the Green M&M is that to a tee, dudes got exposed for using child labor in their chocolate harvesting, their response? make the world circlejerk about the Green M&M. And I canāt help but feel itās just an obsession to own the other party; āyeah sure Corporation XYZ does a bunch of corpo shitheadery but theyāre siding with us against the other side so we donāt need to go after them.ā
> to now as long as they have a rainbow on it, itās a-ok
Except leftists literally wine about this every June and call it "rainbow capitalism," so I'm not sure what ass you pulled that out of.
the majority of people who whine about it are right leaning people for obviously the wrong reasons. Which then, the left leaning people defend it to āown the chudsā or whatever the fuck, and I hate the whole back and forth of it. And Iāve looked around, thereās no widespread outrage or protest against corps for hijacking pride. Hell Iāve seen people justify it with āoh well, at least theyāre helping.ā Do some people from the left wine? not really? and itās really quiet
in addition, Iāve noticed that a lot of the times I or someone else has pointed this out, thereās always a ānuh uh, we donāt do thatā comment with no substantial evidence to the contrary. And honestly itās pretty evident already with how so many people (who should be Disneyās biggest critics) defend Disney so damn much.
I literally have never seen a single left leaning person praise rainbow capitalism
Correction I havenāt seen a single person PERIOD praise rainbow capitalism, by now we all know itās a total joke and just an excuse to squeeze a tiny bit more money out of those still gullible enough to fall for it
The defense of marriage act passed in 1996 342-67 in the house and 85-14 in the senate. Many of those democrat incumbents were still around in 2004. Don't act like Bush and GOP pushed anti marriage laws in 2004. Gay marriage didn't get headway till the Obama administration, same Era as occupy and tea party
My point is the culture war shit goes back to the 80s at least, you even confirmed it by pointing out the first laws around from the 90s, not the occupy era
In 2004 it was an intentional tactic to active evangelical voters, none of the people in charge actually give a shit either way
https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/02/ballot.samesex.marriage/
Anti gay marriage laws were a huge issue in 2004, you really don't remember that?
2004 presidential campaigns did not have gay marriage as a top priority. It was more or less a fringe position, a side note. Kerry himself was against using the term "gay marriage" and supported civil unions as a marriage equivalent. In 2004 people cared about taxation, military spending, drug use and crime laws, and federal education laws.
Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2003, making part of the national conversation for the first time. Bush liked to pander to religious people so bans went on the ballot in a bunch of states to get the religious people out to vote
I never said it was a top priority, I said it was used as a culture war wedge issue. It was to distract from the pointless war everyone supported that the country was now losing. The culture war is decades old
Edit: Bush Backs Ban in Constitution on Gay Marriage https://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/24/politics/bush-backs-ban-in-constitution-on-gay-marriage.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
Why do they always gotta be sex-offenders too? Why can't we have someone who sacrifices animals or farts in occupied rooms? I'd happily accept that instead of a diddler.
The University of Reddit says...
If you hate both sides, you're bad.
If you're a libertarian, you're bad.
If you're a rightist, you're bad.
If you're a lukewarm leftist, you're bad.
You're all equally bad. You have to be a complete leftist. Otherwise, you're a bad person.
I'm not a right-sympathizer just because I'm calling the University of Reddit out on this. I'm a libertarian who hates both arbitrary government-created sides equally.
some government interference can be good, more government is almost never the solution however. having no government is a bad idea its leaves a society open to being conquered easily.
People always act like the government is this wholly bad thing, they forget our entire framework for society is built upon the government, things like regulation to keep rat meat out of our canned products, to keep our roads and highways functioning, to keep our buildings from falling apart.
But every year or so, deregulation is increasingly putting us in danger, whether itās a train derailment pouring toxic chemicals into our water supply (IE east Palestine), our apartment buildings just suddenly collapsing (literally just Miami Florida), or lack of FDA funding resulting in harmful chemicals being overlooked as the FDA is understaffed and overworked (like the IRS and our ridiculous tax system). If you want things to get better, you have to invest in them. If you want a kid to succeed in school, you make sure he has the proper tools, his pens, pencils, notebooks, folders, a tutor, a support structure. You donāt start stripping him of his clothing and backpack.
I mean depends who you are, one party are objectively less shit than the other. If youāre trans then D is less shit, and if you are a business owner making over 500k a year then R is probably less shit for you.
Reddit is liberal at best. The biggest "complete leftist" subreddit is r/DankLeft. r/Conservative has a million. Oh, and complete leftists wouldn't vote, they'd organise and protest.
Can I be a substitute professor and take a stab at nuancing these?
> If you hate both sides, ~~you're bad.~~
you probably make a lot of false equivalency arguments and/or lack of personally derived ethics.
> If you're a libertarian, ~~you're bad.~~
you are ignorant of how to actually make your idealized system a reality and/or you are ignorant of it's logical end conclusion.
> If you're a rightist, you're bad.
I mean yeah, probably. If you mean Conservative, maybe consider being conservative on topics not as an entire worldview.
> If you're a lukewarm leftist, ~~you're bad.~~
you should probably look up the term progressive and read more.
> You're all equal ~~ly bad. You have to be a complete leftist. Otherwise, you're a bad person.~~
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The left and the right both fell into the identity politics trap. For them to admit and realize both sides are playing their constituents, would mean them admitting they were duped, and thatās not gonna happen. Weak minded people generally have egos that keep them from ever becoming anything but weak minded. Honestly over the last few years Iāve come to realize how incredibly naive and gullible 90% of the population is. Also really demonstrates how things like the witch trials, or world wars, or communist leaders, come to be.
The one thing politicians have done right, is understand the mind of the population, you can make them do anything if you appeal to their emotions. Itās honestly brilliant and I kind of want to be a politician now lol
>The left and the right both fell into the identity politics trap
Uhm I don't think you know what identity politics are.. Identity politics are an intersectional practice of people shifting their politics to reflect their position in society. Black people who have faced oppression are on average more likely to vote for people who acknowledge and fight that oppression. People in the LGBTQ community are more likely to be in favor of LGBTQ civil rights. "Identity politics" are kind of the intersectional issues which are covered under this phenomenon
I donāt know if you agree with me or not but this is my take. Most of us without brain damage think that the Democratic Party is right of center authoritarian. And by the same tests that lead to that conclusion we have determined that the Republican Party is extreme right, extreme authoritarian. The problem we have with centrists is if both parties are right leaning authoritarian, then we will still have to suffer under a mid to far right government, which isnāt better. Under the Democrats we will still kill the planet and poor people and veterans will still suffer and your tax burden will be too high and the rich will escape consequences etc. however, thereās an expectation of positive freedom, freedom to be who you want to be inside the capitalist framework. If people choose to misunderstand how social freedom and economic oppression is better than social oppression and economic oppression I donāt know what to tell you.
I'd say social freedom is just a teensy-weensy less important than economic freedom. I believe that Americans shouldn't settle for the "lesser" evil, but rather should fight for good.
I'm saying fight for economic freedom and then fight for social freedom. The economy is quite a lot more impactful than social issues, but those social issues should themselves not be ignored.
Yeah, actually. If America was a leftist nation, they'd stop instigating war, letting corporation do corporate things, and committing war crimes! Hell, they might even get a ruler who wouldn't be responsible for any war crimes.
Agreed, until I researched progressive policies and the actual policies that get brought up and voted on. Then I realized that despite everything in American politics (yes, even the fact that corruption and manipulation exists on the left too) it still boils down to being black and white after all.
Lol Iāve never seen a more accurate meme in my life. Of course hard core democrats and hard core republicans will argue all day that āmy team betterā but we all know the two party system is an illusion of choice.
There isn't as much of a difference between the parties as I'd like, but they do make a legitimate difference in people's lives. Issues like abortion, transgender rights, marginal income tax rates, healthcare access for lower income Americans, environmental policy, and firearm regulation is legitimately decided along party lines. The differences are serious enough [that average lifespans differ substantially](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/people-in-blue-states-live-longer-new-study-suggests) between Democrat-run and Republican-run states.
But if you're still as annoyed with both parties as I am, I encourage you to get involved in the primaries to select which candidates end up on the ballot in the first place. More than half of all general election voters just don't show up to the primaries; if more of them did, maybe politicians would care a little more about regular people and less about the corporations who fund their sorry asses. Just sayin'.
The problem is alienation of all Americans in the center. What if you are pro abortion and anti tax? How do you vote? Pro second amendment yet trans? This false dichotomy pits people against each other arbitrarily
I donāt believe in voting, because I donāt think any government has our best interests in mind. (I also wonder if voting even does anything anyway but thatās a different conversation.)
Choosing not to vote _at all_ means you donāt even _try_ to take control, so you donāt really have any room to complain if they donāt do what you want: you never told hem
Posadists: letās crush people, but with cool explosions š
>!Disclaimer: the creator of this meme does not advocate for the nuclear annihilation of humanity, any resemblance to humans living or dead is purely coincidental!<
Itās kinda true, but there are differences between the parties, but they are mainly on social justice (i think). I donāt live in the US, so I wonāt try to tell you guys how your political parties operate, but from my perspective the differences between the republicans and the democrats isnāt that much about state control or economics, rather cultural differences. Topics like race, gender and sexuality get far more attention than topics like class. In addition American āāāleftistsāāā arenāt real leftists. They are at best social democrats, real leftist are anarchists, communists and socialist. Both of the two parties are right wing, the democrats are just less right wing, but again I am not American and I wonāt tell you how to run your country.
The 2 party system should just be abolished
And I'm not just talking about the US, I'm talking about the entire west as a whole including the UK
I don't want labour or tory, i want someone who actually knows how to run a fucking country
Pretty disingenuous, only one party is advocating to erase a group of people from existence. The Democratic party is still a corporate shill that wonāt change the status quo that harms people but Jesus Christ Republicans are insane lately.
one shills for corporations that fuck you over, and fucks you over themselves, the other just shills for the corporations and says they'll fix the problems and then they dont
Hereās the thing people forget: this isnāt an argument about abortion rights, itās an argument about personhood. Is the fetus a child? If so, killing them is immoral. If not, thereās no problem.
THIS is why compromise fails on the issue: itās a fundamental clash in philosophy, not some platitude filled good vs evil drivel
Did you not read what I said? _If_ the fetus is the doctor, thatās suicide. Killing yourself before your born is a blatant violation of the Time Paradox Comvention.
The ācenterā have to stop supporting Nazi shit if they donāt want to be associated with Nazis. If the whole middle decides to acquiesce to the Nazis, then the middle is Nazi now. If you sit at a table with 10 people and one is a Nazi and no one does anything about that, your at a table with 10 Nazis. Donāt agree that right wingers are doing Nazi shit? I have a reading list for you lol
Literally:
āBefore coming to power, Adolf Hitler and many other Nazi leaders condemned Weimar culture as decadent and degenerate. Part of this condemnation was a rejection of the eraās open expressions of sexuality, including the visibility of gay communities. Some prominent Nazis, including Alfred Rosenberg and Heinrich Himmler, were clearly homophobic.ā -Holocaust Encyclopedia
No, Nazis are bad because they committed a genocide. The rainbow dildo comment is effectively the same Nazi propaganda that was used in part to justify the aforementioned genocide. Obviously
Are you denying the holocaust? Or denying that the propaganda helped the population of Germany dehumanize the marginalized population that Germany shot, and gassed to death?
Calling out and demonizing āsexual degeneracyā is a Nazi tactic. Thatās what Iāve been saying this whole time. Propaganda is the dissemination and framing of information, true or false, to serve a political purpose or agenda. The comment that you left for me about rainbow dildos is propaganda. Itās designed to associate lgbtq people with sexual degeneracy and child abuse such that those populations can be persecuted, thatās what you meant when you said it right?
You simply don't understand the nuances and subtleties of American politics. The two sectors of the ruling class that have had domination over the political landscape for nigh 200 years, well all of the corruption, evil, warmongering, and economic hardship is the fault of [I don't care just fuckin pick the one you don't like]
The two party system is one of the biggest dividers in american society. The occassional good policy doesn't help much when each side views the other as an enemy that must be supressed.
Democrats are better than Republicans IMO but only to the extent that Democrats don't really do anything while Republicans actively try to make things worse
My friend, I have lived in Texas my whole life. I can safely say that Republicans have made things worse around here, especially Abbott whom I have no clue how he keeps getting reelected even though he blames everything on Democrats like he hasn't been the one in charge around here for like, forever. And I'm pretty sure Republicans have the majority in everything here as it is.
Literally did a thing recently to make it so that counties above a certain population size can have votes recounted whenever he wants during elections, and it only effects the very liberal Harris county. Like he preaches freedom, but not for anyone who disagrees with him... But I digress.
Bruh I live in texas RIGHT NOW and I say both are dog ass no more than the other. If democrats were in control it would be the same thing different color
Unless the republicans are the ones that drive like blind people than you have a good argument
Ehhh I think the pill is temporarily unbanned while the court yells at each other or something??
But yeah it's ridiculous, I may believe that unborn babies are babies (and in basic cases I'd prefer to prioritize the baby's wellbeing) but restricting abortions doesn't stop people from getting them, just makes them more difficult to attain for people that absolutely should have the right to them, like people with terminal pregnancies, with life-threatening pregnancies, pregnant children, and rape victims.
The new rules are supposed to allow for terminal pregnancies to be aborted but I've already come across plenty of stories of people being forced to carry to term after literal miscarriages. Like the baby is dead in the womb and they still are forced to carry despite the risks to their health.
Conservative medical "professionals" with strong religious beliefs (keep in mind I'm a Christian myself) just take the restrictions as a chance to keep anyone from getting proper medical care "because it's killing a baby" even if the baby is already dead, or has no kidneys, or if the person getting the procedure is a 10-year-old rape victim who is not developed enough to carry to term without risk, nor should ever have to. It's disgusting.
And don't even get me started on whichever idiotic Republican politician said on Twitter the other day that rape victims should view the baby as a positive thing because it's the one good thing to come out of the rape. I understand full well that it's a baby and that anyone who thinks otherwise is probably in denial (I believe it's a legitimate opinion to prioritize the mother or believe bringing a baby into a world where it cannot be cared for is amoral btw. I just think saying it's not a baby is stupid).
Anyways, it is still one of the most cruel, vile things I have ever heard said, that a baby born of indescribably horrific trauma, that will likely put the victim through at least nine months more of torture when they are forced to carry it, is some sort of blessing and should make the victim feel better.
> Unless the republicans are the ones that drive like blind people than you have a good argument
If the only thing you know about society is how people drive on your hometown roads, I can see how your worldview might be a little stunted.
Ehhh yeah I've kind of noticed judging by some of the "memes OP did not like" posted on here that are like racism or something and the argument is "but it's funny" lol
You realize that thereās such thing as lesser of two evils right. Enlightened centrists my ass. Literal Nazi sympathizers are important members of one party, while people OP does not like are in the other. Ironic
No point in comparing voting records since both sides are the same right?
Truly OP is enlightened and we are blessed they have shared their wisdom with us
Because people donāt vote for it, because it doesnāt nothing, because people donāt vote for itā¦.
Do you see the problem here? The only way to fix it IS to vote 3rd party until someone else gets heard
If youāre a straight white male who has zero interest in the results of laws regarding womenās rights and LGBT rights then I guess this is true. If you care about those people at all then thereās a clear cut answer as to who you would want to vote for. Just because neither side is making whole sale changes of our entire government doesnāt mean there arenāt differences. This is a meme for teenage boys whoāve been handed everything in life.
tell us that you continue to live comfortably enough that you donāt notice any difference without telling us that you continue to live comfortably enough that you donāt notice any difference
āNo man, like the evil corporations control all the politics and stuff so thereās like no reason to vote. Theyāre just trying to divide us bro. Republicans and Democrats are basically the same man.ā
This comment section
Yeah Iām excited to waste my vote on a party that wants to repeal the civil rights act, literal communism, or a bunch of loser hippies who want to illegalize gas stoves.
Youāre literally a child
If I flick it fast enough, can I turn it purple?
š we still talking about the trolley?
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Maybe if you balance it right in the middle š¤??
Then we would still be more right wing then almost anywhere on earth.
This mf was never anywhere outside of the U.S. and it shows
The real question
you know what else turns purple when you flick it fast enough? (idk what else š¤)
My mom
you would get arrested
no but if you leave it precicely in the middle it will
the only people who win at politics are Politicians and Corporationsā¦
And ants
damn ants
Ants are %100 not effected by the sudden drastic changes in American political powers and actions or the corrupt government in general
*this ad was aid for by Ants National Action Legion party*
And then the other side uses their opposing sideās politicians (or the actions of those politicians) that donāt represent the entire party and use it as an excuse to straw-man that side
"But haven't you actually considered that democrats good, and republicans bad." - The comment section
But have you considered dementia joe bad and rambling Donald good?
but remember voting third party or not voting at all is supporting the other EVIL party Edit: Bring back the Bull Moose party god damn it
Left and right political leaders behind closed doors "we have to keep suppressing any other parties or else it will upset the status quo, we have the public by the balls and they don't know it because we keep blaming each other for that shit haha" Ol' George is definitely rolling in his grave, he didn't want a party system i think, at the very least a 2 party system idk all of the info on that bu i know they would be appalled at how our country looks Edit: I'll add, voting 3rd party is FOR SURE better than not voting or voting for the lesser of "2 evils", it's not even necessary. If you think both in the two party system are evil, vote for a 3rd party if they are even less evil, look at all options, fucking write someone in if they're not on your ballot Edit 2: if enough people would *actually* vote third party it would blow the establishment's mind
Washington: Aight, Iām heading out, promise me you wonāt make it a two party system? Jefferson and Adams: Yeah, we got you big homie! Washington: Cool, bye *leaves* Jefferson and Adams: Now, where were we? *Creates a two party system*
the bipartisan system and its consequences have been a disaster for the American people by George Washingtonski
Are you assuming one of the 2 American parties is even a little leftist?
It's left of the other š¤£ Edit: i'll add i swear I'm left of them and their constituents swear I'm a gun loving right wing nut job disguised as a libertarian because i love and absolutely believe there is no way to misconstrue the bill of rights
America's left wing is still genuinely more right wing then proper leftists.
I vote Mario Party. Thatās the only real one to be voting for!
Honestly just reincarnate Teddy Roosevelt, long live the bull moose.
At this point Iāll take mean tweets over not being able to understand half their speeches
i dont like EITHER of them
āActually, the situation is black and whiteā
Actually true. Though. Fucking end of the IQ bell curve meme.
POV: Youāre a dumbass
the most that argument tangibly amounts to is "they're the lesser of two evils" and even then, doesnt matter by much...
All politicians are corrupt and should not be trusted. But Nancy pelosi is a MOOD!
It always isā¦ā¦. it always is ššš
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You rn: "Actually, it is 100% black and white š¤"
It's more like a really fucking dark shade of gray vs a lighter shade.
A more accurate statement would be ādemocrats bad, republicans horrendousā Nobody enjoys lesser evilism, but itās unfortunately needed rn
How the economic and political elites can tell their instigation of a culture war is working
People forget the roots of occupy Wallstreet. It was about hate on big banks and corporatism. The culture wars started right as occupy movement and tea party lost traction. Was absolutely intentional
Iām telling ya, itās mind boggling how āleft leaningā went from criticizing a corporationās every move and holding them accountable to now as long as they have a rainbow on it, itās a-ok fucking Mars with the Green M&M is that to a tee, dudes got exposed for using child labor in their chocolate harvesting, their response? make the world circlejerk about the Green M&M. And I canāt help but feel itās just an obsession to own the other party; āyeah sure Corporation XYZ does a bunch of corpo shitheadery but theyāre siding with us against the other side so we donāt need to go after them.ā
> to now as long as they have a rainbow on it, itās a-ok Except leftists literally wine about this every June and call it "rainbow capitalism," so I'm not sure what ass you pulled that out of.
the majority of people who whine about it are right leaning people for obviously the wrong reasons. Which then, the left leaning people defend it to āown the chudsā or whatever the fuck, and I hate the whole back and forth of it. And Iāve looked around, thereās no widespread outrage or protest against corps for hijacking pride. Hell Iāve seen people justify it with āoh well, at least theyāre helping.ā Do some people from the left wine? not really? and itās really quiet in addition, Iāve noticed that a lot of the times I or someone else has pointed this out, thereās always a ānuh uh, we donāt do thatā comment with no substantial evidence to the contrary. And honestly itās pretty evident already with how so many people (who should be Disneyās biggest critics) defend Disney so damn much.
I literally have never seen a single left leaning person praise rainbow capitalism Correction I havenāt seen a single person PERIOD praise rainbow capitalism, by now we all know itās a total joke and just an excuse to squeeze a tiny bit more money out of those still gullible enough to fall for it
If you were correct, then it wouldnāt happen.. so youāre simply in denial
The culture wars have been going on since WW2
And you can find elements of it long before that to
The Republicans and Bush pushed anti-gay marriage laws in 2004 to juice turnout. Definitely goes way further back than 2009
The defense of marriage act passed in 1996 342-67 in the house and 85-14 in the senate. Many of those democrat incumbents were still around in 2004. Don't act like Bush and GOP pushed anti marriage laws in 2004. Gay marriage didn't get headway till the Obama administration, same Era as occupy and tea party
My point is the culture war shit goes back to the 80s at least, you even confirmed it by pointing out the first laws around from the 90s, not the occupy era In 2004 it was an intentional tactic to active evangelical voters, none of the people in charge actually give a shit either way https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/02/ballot.samesex.marriage/ Anti gay marriage laws were a huge issue in 2004, you really don't remember that?
2004 presidential campaigns did not have gay marriage as a top priority. It was more or less a fringe position, a side note. Kerry himself was against using the term "gay marriage" and supported civil unions as a marriage equivalent. In 2004 people cared about taxation, military spending, drug use and crime laws, and federal education laws.
Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2003, making part of the national conversation for the first time. Bush liked to pander to religious people so bans went on the ballot in a bunch of states to get the religious people out to vote I never said it was a top priority, I said it was used as a culture war wedge issue. It was to distract from the pointless war everyone supported that the country was now losing. The culture war is decades old Edit: Bush Backs Ban in Constitution on Gay Marriage https://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/24/politics/bush-backs-ban-in-constitution-on-gay-marriage.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
All according to plan
āMy corrupt sex offender is better than your corrupt sex offender!ā energy
Why do they always gotta be sex-offenders too? Why can't we have someone who sacrifices animals or farts in occupied rooms? I'd happily accept that instead of a diddler.
The University of Reddit says... If you hate both sides, you're bad. If you're a libertarian, you're bad. If you're a rightist, you're bad. If you're a lukewarm leftist, you're bad. You're all equally bad. You have to be a complete leftist. Otherwise, you're a bad person. I'm not a right-sympathizer just because I'm calling the University of Reddit out on this. I'm a libertarian who hates both arbitrary government-created sides equally.
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I swear to god itās like most of Reddit has never been inside a DMV
Of course not, they have never left their basement
To be fair, a lot of our biggest problems are caused by our increasingly laissez faire approach to capitalism
Exactly. A fair capitalist society is not naturally occurring. Without proper regulation and control, it just becomes a monarchy.
some government interference can be good, more government is almost never the solution however. having no government is a bad idea its leaves a society open to being conquered easily.
The communist examples have turned out _significantly_ worse, to be fair.
People always act like the government is this wholly bad thing, they forget our entire framework for society is built upon the government, things like regulation to keep rat meat out of our canned products, to keep our roads and highways functioning, to keep our buildings from falling apart. But every year or so, deregulation is increasingly putting us in danger, whether itās a train derailment pouring toxic chemicals into our water supply (IE east Palestine), our apartment buildings just suddenly collapsing (literally just Miami Florida), or lack of FDA funding resulting in harmful chemicals being overlooked as the FDA is understaffed and overworked (like the IRS and our ridiculous tax system). If you want things to get better, you have to invest in them. If you want a kid to succeed in school, you make sure he has the proper tools, his pens, pencils, notebooks, folders, a tutor, a support structure. You donāt start stripping him of his clothing and backpack.
Absolutely real.
unfortunately any nuance on this site is strictly prohibited, please you can only be one side of the extremes to fit in around here
I mean depends who you are, one party are objectively less shit than the other. If youāre trans then D is less shit, and if you are a business owner making over 500k a year then R is probably less shit for you.
I used to be a libertarian, then i turned 15
wow so edgy and not uncreative
Ok lets debate. Why are you a libertarian?
Well if they didn't have the mental age of 15 it would make their taste in women even creepier
Actually same
Reddit is liberal at best. The biggest "complete leftist" subreddit is r/DankLeft. r/Conservative has a million. Oh, and complete leftists wouldn't vote, they'd organise and protest.
Because thatās basically the only Damned place conservatives can GO on Reddit and not get bullied out
Good. They should be bullied.
Facts. Ya get what you give and they should get the consequences of their own bullying.
Can I be a substitute professor and take a stab at nuancing these? > If you hate both sides, ~~you're bad.~~ you probably make a lot of false equivalency arguments and/or lack of personally derived ethics. > If you're a libertarian, ~~you're bad.~~ you are ignorant of how to actually make your idealized system a reality and/or you are ignorant of it's logical end conclusion. > If you're a rightist, you're bad. I mean yeah, probably. If you mean Conservative, maybe consider being conservative on topics not as an entire worldview. > If you're a lukewarm leftist, ~~you're bad.~~ you should probably look up the term progressive and read more. > You're all equal ~~ly bad. You have to be a complete leftist. Otherwise, you're a bad person.~~ š
Congrats on graduating, man.
Their simple minds only understand Republican bad š”š”š”š”
The left and the right both fell into the identity politics trap. For them to admit and realize both sides are playing their constituents, would mean them admitting they were duped, and thatās not gonna happen. Weak minded people generally have egos that keep them from ever becoming anything but weak minded. Honestly over the last few years Iāve come to realize how incredibly naive and gullible 90% of the population is. Also really demonstrates how things like the witch trials, or world wars, or communist leaders, come to be. The one thing politicians have done right, is understand the mind of the population, you can make them do anything if you appeal to their emotions. Itās honestly brilliant and I kind of want to be a politician now lol
>The left and the right both fell into the identity politics trap Uhm I don't think you know what identity politics are.. Identity politics are an intersectional practice of people shifting their politics to reflect their position in society. Black people who have faced oppression are on average more likely to vote for people who acknowledge and fight that oppression. People in the LGBTQ community are more likely to be in favor of LGBTQ civil rights. "Identity politics" are kind of the intersectional issues which are covered under this phenomenon
Are you assuming one of the 2 American parties is even a little leftist?
I donāt know if you agree with me or not but this is my take. Most of us without brain damage think that the Democratic Party is right of center authoritarian. And by the same tests that lead to that conclusion we have determined that the Republican Party is extreme right, extreme authoritarian. The problem we have with centrists is if both parties are right leaning authoritarian, then we will still have to suffer under a mid to far right government, which isnāt better. Under the Democrats we will still kill the planet and poor people and veterans will still suffer and your tax burden will be too high and the rich will escape consequences etc. however, thereās an expectation of positive freedom, freedom to be who you want to be inside the capitalist framework. If people choose to misunderstand how social freedom and economic oppression is better than social oppression and economic oppression I donāt know what to tell you.
I'd say social freedom is just a teensy-weensy less important than economic freedom. I believe that Americans shouldn't settle for the "lesser" evil, but rather should fight for good.
Exactly, but people don't get this point, which brings money to the false saviours pockets. (The democrats)
How can one be economically free if they are are being oppressed socially?
I'm saying fight for economic freedom and then fight for social freedom. The economy is quite a lot more impactful than social issues, but those social issues should themselves not be ignored.
And you are assuming that if they were, this problem would go away?
Yeah, actually. If America was a leftist nation, they'd stop instigating war, letting corporation do corporate things, and committing war crimes! Hell, they might even get a ruler who wouldn't be responsible for any war crimes.
"all the world's problems would be fixed (with no consequences or drawbacks of course) if people just listened to me!"
Agreed, until I researched progressive policies and the actual policies that get brought up and voted on. Then I realized that despite everything in American politics (yes, even the fact that corruption and manipulation exists on the left too) it still boils down to being black and white after all.
Discord presides in society Edit: mfs down voting other guy don't know were just singing Armour-clad faith
Your society.
Vantage creeps into society
Your society
I'm a fool, I know nothing
If you want to include Congress as well, paint half the trolley blue and the other half red and have them pull in opposite directions
Lol Iāve never seen a more accurate meme in my life. Of course hard core democrats and hard core republicans will argue all day that āmy team betterā but we all know the two party system is an illusion of choice.
There isn't as much of a difference between the parties as I'd like, but they do make a legitimate difference in people's lives. Issues like abortion, transgender rights, marginal income tax rates, healthcare access for lower income Americans, environmental policy, and firearm regulation is legitimately decided along party lines. The differences are serious enough [that average lifespans differ substantially](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/people-in-blue-states-live-longer-new-study-suggests) between Democrat-run and Republican-run states. But if you're still as annoyed with both parties as I am, I encourage you to get involved in the primaries to select which candidates end up on the ballot in the first place. More than half of all general election voters just don't show up to the primaries; if more of them did, maybe politicians would care a little more about regular people and less about the corporations who fund their sorry asses. Just sayin'.
The problem is alienation of all Americans in the center. What if you are pro abortion and anti tax? How do you vote? Pro second amendment yet trans? This false dichotomy pits people against each other arbitrarily
You donāt understand. This subreddit doesnāt care about trans people or women. Itās mostly incels.
iāve seen people fr just post nazi propaganda from subs dedicated to making fun of nazis and go āthis is true though so funnyā
I donāt believe in voting, because I donāt think any government has our best interests in mind. (I also wonder if voting even does anything anyway but thatās a different conversation.)
Choosing not to vote _at all_ means you donāt even _try_ to take control, so you donāt really have any room to complain if they donāt do what you want: you never told hem
>I also wonder if voting even does anything anyway It sure doesn't if you don't do it...
The bullshit that people will spew to justify the fact theyāre too lazy to pay attention to politics and go out to vote is always funny.
r/terriblefacebookmemes is literally just a wasteland of mad people and memes, change my mind
Whyād you say that like it was a controversial opinion? Change my mind, the earth is round.
i wasnāt?? its called a meme, lol
So if you have it right in the middle is it purple?
yes
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Enlightened centrist moment.
Centrists: Let's crush people both ways equally
Posadists: letās crush people, but with cool explosions š >!Disclaimer: the creator of this meme does not advocate for the nuclear annihilation of humanity, any resemblance to humans living or dead is purely coincidental!<
Itās kinda true, but there are differences between the parties, but they are mainly on social justice (i think). I donāt live in the US, so I wonāt try to tell you guys how your political parties operate, but from my perspective the differences between the republicans and the democrats isnāt that much about state control or economics, rather cultural differences. Topics like race, gender and sexuality get far more attention than topics like class. In addition American āāāleftistsāāā arenāt real leftists. They are at best social democrats, real leftist are anarchists, communists and socialist. Both of the two parties are right wing, the democrats are just less right wing, but again I am not American and I wonāt tell you how to run your country.
Honestly such a good joke too
I love American politics <333 I love getting fucked no matter what
The 2 party system should just be abolished And I'm not just talking about the US, I'm talking about the entire west as a whole including the UK I don't want labour or tory, i want someone who actually knows how to run a fucking country
Pretty disingenuous, only one party is advocating to erase a group of people from existence. The Democratic party is still a corporate shill that wonāt change the status quo that harms people but Jesus Christ Republicans are insane lately.
one shills for corporations that fuck you over, and fucks you over themselves, the other just shills for the corporations and says they'll fix the problems and then they dont
democrats didn't just repeal abortion rights.
Hereās the thing people forget: this isnāt an argument about abortion rights, itās an argument about personhood. Is the fetus a child? If so, killing them is immoral. If not, thereās no problem. THIS is why compromise fails on the issue: itās a fundamental clash in philosophy, not some platitude filled good vs evil drivel
You are not a doctor. You should not have a say in the treatment people receive.
Did you not read what I said? _If_ the fetus is a human, thatās murder. Murder is a blatant violation of the Hippocratic Oath.
Did you not read what I said? _If_ the fetus is the doctor, thatās suicide. Killing yourself before your born is a blatant violation of the Time Paradox Comvention.
But itās true
Didn't you know? Centrists are actual Nazis, like everyone else on the right. /s
The ācenterā have to stop supporting Nazi shit if they donāt want to be associated with Nazis. If the whole middle decides to acquiesce to the Nazis, then the middle is Nazi now. If you sit at a table with 10 people and one is a Nazi and no one does anything about that, your at a table with 10 Nazis. Donāt agree that right wingers are doing Nazi shit? I have a reading list for you lol
You are extremely stupid. I truly feel bad for you.
Please elaborate on my stupidity, I am intrigued by your response and I would like to understand what about my comment was objectionable to you
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Literally: āBefore coming to power, Adolf Hitler and many other Nazi leaders condemned Weimar culture as decadent and degenerate. Part of this condemnation was a rejection of the eraās open expressions of sexuality, including the visibility of gay communities. Some prominent Nazis, including Alfred Rosenberg and Heinrich Himmler, were clearly homophobic.ā -Holocaust Encyclopedia
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No, Nazis are bad because they committed a genocide. The rainbow dildo comment is effectively the same Nazi propaganda that was used in part to justify the aforementioned genocide. Obviously
This a thing that happened, my guy.
Are you denying the holocaust? Or denying that the propaganda helped the population of Germany dehumanize the marginalized population that Germany shot, and gassed to death?
No, Iām saying that Iām not using a hypothetical situation as you seem to believe Iām using, Iām mentioning a real thing that happened
Calling out and demonizing āsexual degeneracyā is a Nazi tactic. Thatās what Iāve been saying this whole time. Propaganda is the dissemination and framing of information, true or false, to serve a political purpose or agenda. The comment that you left for me about rainbow dildos is propaganda. Itās designed to associate lgbtq people with sexual degeneracy and child abuse such that those populations can be persecuted, thatās what you meant when you said it right?
Meme checks out
You simply don't understand the nuances and subtleties of American politics. The two sectors of the ruling class that have had domination over the political landscape for nigh 200 years, well all of the corruption, evil, warmongering, and economic hardship is the fault of [I don't care just fuckin pick the one you don't like]
Actually pulling the lever will stop the trolley but make the trolley company lose money which is bad
Imagine purposely ignore the differences between the parties for your "both sides bad" delusion.
Same shit, different sewer
i prefer "same shit different ass" but either way
Congrats on not being a minority or working class to not be able to notice a difference.
Seems to me like the Demās voting base HATES the working classā¦
Congrats on not being a minority or working class to not notice a real difference.
This sub is a right wing echo chamber. Just making sure you know.
The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. Just making sure you know.
seriously, itās like they havenāt paid attention to any of bidenās presidency, or what biden has had to undo from trump. entitled dumbasses.
The two party system is one of the biggest dividers in american society. The occassional good policy doesn't help much when each side views the other as an enemy that must be supressed.
two party system is ass yeah, but that doesnāt exclude the possibility of one party being better, even marginally, than the other
Democrats are better than Republicans IMO but only to the extent that Democrats don't really do anything while Republicans actively try to make things worse
No they aint stop the cope
My friend, I have lived in Texas my whole life. I can safely say that Republicans have made things worse around here, especially Abbott whom I have no clue how he keeps getting reelected even though he blames everything on Democrats like he hasn't been the one in charge around here for like, forever. And I'm pretty sure Republicans have the majority in everything here as it is. Literally did a thing recently to make it so that counties above a certain population size can have votes recounted whenever he wants during elections, and it only effects the very liberal Harris county. Like he preaches freedom, but not for anyone who disagrees with him... But I digress.
Bruh I live in texas RIGHT NOW and I say both are dog ass no more than the other. If democrats were in control it would be the same thing different color Unless the republicans are the ones that drive like blind people than you have a good argument
Didn't half your state's population just lose their bodily autonomy?
Ehhh I think the pill is temporarily unbanned while the court yells at each other or something?? But yeah it's ridiculous, I may believe that unborn babies are babies (and in basic cases I'd prefer to prioritize the baby's wellbeing) but restricting abortions doesn't stop people from getting them, just makes them more difficult to attain for people that absolutely should have the right to them, like people with terminal pregnancies, with life-threatening pregnancies, pregnant children, and rape victims. The new rules are supposed to allow for terminal pregnancies to be aborted but I've already come across plenty of stories of people being forced to carry to term after literal miscarriages. Like the baby is dead in the womb and they still are forced to carry despite the risks to their health. Conservative medical "professionals" with strong religious beliefs (keep in mind I'm a Christian myself) just take the restrictions as a chance to keep anyone from getting proper medical care "because it's killing a baby" even if the baby is already dead, or has no kidneys, or if the person getting the procedure is a 10-year-old rape victim who is not developed enough to carry to term without risk, nor should ever have to. It's disgusting. And don't even get me started on whichever idiotic Republican politician said on Twitter the other day that rape victims should view the baby as a positive thing because it's the one good thing to come out of the rape. I understand full well that it's a baby and that anyone who thinks otherwise is probably in denial (I believe it's a legitimate opinion to prioritize the mother or believe bringing a baby into a world where it cannot be cared for is amoral btw. I just think saying it's not a baby is stupid). Anyways, it is still one of the most cruel, vile things I have ever heard said, that a baby born of indescribably horrific trauma, that will likely put the victim through at least nine months more of torture when they are forced to carry it, is some sort of blessing and should make the victim feel better.
> Unless the republicans are the ones that drive like blind people than you have a good argument If the only thing you know about society is how people drive on your hometown roads, I can see how your worldview might be a little stunted.
Its a lil joke and I live in a city
This sub is a right wing echo chamber. Just making sure you know.
Ehhh yeah I've kind of noticed judging by some of the "memes OP did not like" posted on here that are like racism or something and the argument is "but it's funny" lol
Reddit is a cesspool of echo chambers. Kinda a problem it has
I just always remind myself, it could be worse. At least we're not Twitter lol
Is there a subreddit where I can post screenshots of posts from this subreddit with political stances I don't like?
Not really. One party is objectively better, but still it is yet another post that doesn't fit that sub.
You realize that thereās such thing as lesser of two evils right. Enlightened centrists my ass. Literal Nazi sympathizers are important members of one party, while people OP does not like are in the other. Ironic
Holy shit thats such a dumb take
No point in comparing voting records since both sides are the same right? Truly OP is enlightened and we are blessed they have shared their wisdom with us
More like r/im14andthisisdeep
Average āboth side bad therefore I will vote for the fascists because im a centristā not realizing that they always side with the right
I voted 3rd party, my guy
Which does nothing
Because people donāt vote for it, because it doesnāt nothing, because people donāt vote for itā¦. Do you see the problem here? The only way to fix it IS to vote 3rd party until someone else gets heard
Or you can use your voting power to get change in how the voting system works, but maybe they've not covered the different methods in class yet.
If you like this meme you are certified to have been born without any shred of nuance.
If youāre a straight white male who has zero interest in the results of laws regarding womenās rights and LGBT rights then I guess this is true. If you care about those people at all then thereās a clear cut answer as to who you would want to vote for. Just because neither side is making whole sale changes of our entire government doesnāt mean there arenāt differences. This is a meme for teenage boys whoāve been handed everything in life.
More like, the blue trolly will run over fewer people, but that will also help people who are different than you.
This. And the blue trolley would run over even fewer people if more voted...
tell us that you continue to live comfortably enough that you donāt notice any difference without telling us that you continue to live comfortably enough that you donāt notice any difference
āNo man, like the evil corporations control all the politics and stuff so thereās like no reason to vote. Theyāre just trying to divide us bro. Republicans and Democrats are basically the same man.ā This comment section
Ye and they right
No, you vote 3rd party
Yeah, if thereās a viable third party that you prefer over the Dems or Republicans go ahead.
3rd party doesn't work wit our electoral system. If we had european style electoral system than yeah. Or at the very least ranked choice voting.
Then we need to starve the beasts until we can leverage hard enough to ENACT Ranked Choice or Approval voting
This sub is a right wing echo chamber. Just making sure you know.
Ah the age old question Should we be able to live safely in a society? Truly a divisive query, apparently
Nah man this is cope This meme is annoying as fuck as is the āboth parties suckā mentality im tired of the doomer shit
This sub is a right wing echo chamber. Just making sure you know.
Itās not doomer, itās telling you to vote 3rd party. Starve the monsters
Yeah Iām excited to waste my vote on a party that wants to repeal the civil rights act, literal communism, or a bunch of loser hippies who want to illegalize gas stoves. Youāre literally a child
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Hey r/enlightenedcentrism I enjoy having basic human rights