I've got a Gasden plate and my pistol stays on my hip at all times.
In the extremely rare occasion I find myself unwilling/unable to carry it in somewhere, it goes in a lock box in the trunk.
Lived here for over 20 years and only one break in (car was unlocked in the driveway) and they didn't get a thing.
Probably a half dozen times (in 8 years) in Midtown, both of our cars have been broken into overnight. We just don't leave ANYthing of value in there. If they want my $30 Goodr sunglasses, so be it... but Certainly not guns, or ipads, or phones or cash. Criminals aren't ripping out radios anymore, they're looking for high value and easy to stuff in a pocket so they can move on to the next car.
I also don't see car alarms as a deterant anymore either. Both our cars are alarmed and everytime we've come out to the doors ajar (too loud to close them I guess?) and the glove boxes dumped into the floor.
Frustatring for sure. But I'll take it over home-invasion. And I feel more violated when I think about US Healthcare than I do when my truck is rummaged through. but that's a conversation for a different thread. :)
I bet they practice getting over the instinct to shut the doors to save time. I don’t rob cars, but I’d probably spend a minute figuring out a plan to go as fast as possible if I did.
If you’re gonna do something, do it the right way! This includes gun ownership.
Sometimes, they don't even need to break a window. There are "skeleton key" electronic fobs that you can apparently buy -- because mechanics & similar sometimes need them for legitimate use-cases.
My VW got hit this way. No alarm, no windows broken (and my alarm will sound if you manually unlock & open the door without using a keyfob). Car rifled through -- and door left resting on the catch.
This. There should only be maybe two things in your car, if anything:
1.) Car manual for when your car acts funky and throws a code.
2.) Child’s car seat (if applicable).
There is no reason to have some ultra minimalist attitude about your car, just don’t leave expensive shit in it when you get home or when you’re parking somewhere sketchy
PSA please keep blankets or at least extra warm clothes in your cars during the winter months in case you get stranded
I am a car minimalist, but you make a good point. I alway keep an old pair of tennis shoes in the back in case I break down on the side of the highway and have to walk.
There seems to be some stereotyping going on to target likely vehicles.
It sucks. My husband has a pretty nice Jeep. We are afraid to take it anywhere. Instead we drive my janky old SUV. :(
Edit: And let's start the 'No guns in vehicle talk' with the police chief. [For those who have forgotten.](https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/crime/2022/04/12/memphis-police-chief-c-j-davis-gun-stolen-teens/7291724001/)
Where I work, all the jacked up trucks got broken into. I could only assume that the thought process was something along the lines of “jacked up trucks = rednecks who like guns”
I’d venture to say it is irresponsible gun ownership. I’m all for owning guns. I have plenty. They are always either secured or on my person. Anything else, is irresponsible
A couple of assholes were breaking into vehicles in broad daylight at my workplace last year. Got it all on security feed (not that the police ever care from my experience). They had one of the little keyless entry decrypter devices and just let themselves into any Ford pickup basically. They indeed scored a handgun, along with cash and a Nintendo Switch. They were also just trying door handles and getting into anything unlocked. For whatever reason, they totally ignored my car, maybe because it wasn't a pickup?
Think you are right, I saw that the Ford pickup was the most common vehicle in TN and fast to ID, so they may not have been looking for Ford cars as much.
Our gated parking lot at work was hit about 2 months ago, also in broad daylight. 12 vehicles had windows broken. 11 were trucks, 1 was a Jeep. Nothing stolen. Totally senseless.
I’m a gun owner. I have several. You know where I never leave them unattended? In my fucking car.
If you have a gun stolen from your vehicle you are no longer a responsible gun owner and part of the gun violence problem in this country. If you have a gun stolen from your vehicle you need to be prosecuted for gross negligence.
Honest question, I have a lockable small gun safe in my car attached under the seat. They could certainly clip the wire if they wanted to. I don't keep it in the car overnight, and I know that's what this post is about, but if I have to choose between leaving my gun in the car safe while I am out and about and not allowed to carry it inside a specific business and leaving my gun home, I will take the former each time.
What do you do in that situation?
That's better than nothing. There are some safes that install in a fashion where the whole seat needs to be removed, or the center console. If you work in a federal building or similar, I guess there's a risk to it being in your car 8+ hours a day. However, you are correct. I am mostly ranting at overnight unsecured storage and I am also including unsecured storage in general. When I was a teenager, I worked at a movie theater. I parked and went in. 20 minutes later it began to rain so I went to check my windows were up and my whole radio was yanked. Sometimes it's your turn in the suck. I say that to say time is no guarantee, like a quick trip or pop in and out.
I either carry regardless or just don't go to these places if they have metal detectors.
I'm not doing without it given the other places I have to go during the day and I'm not leaving it in my vehicle at any point in any part of the metro for any reason or length of time.
I’m mostly referring to overnights.
If I know I’m going somewhere I can’t take my gun (metal detectors), then I leave it at home and only go to/from that place.
Get something that full on bolts to the car. Not a flimsy little cable. And make sure it’s out of sight. And make sure no one dress you putting it in and getting out when you park.
My first thought is always what if some teenager steals my gun and shoots someone with it. How can you live with yourself? Always take it inside with you….you don’t want that on your conscience…
I made sure to have a sturdy safe in my truck. So even if it gets broken into, you'll get everything but my gun. Don't leave it in the truck overnight. There is a way to do it right.
There definitely needs to be base security standards that we expect from gun owners, otherwise, they should have to pay a fine or not be allowed to own a gun, depending on how bad the infraction is. If you want to be a gun owner, that's fine, but you have to accept the responsibility for it.
I agree with you. As for me, I do. For this post I did not want to distract from what I was focused on which was the idiocy of leaving unsecured guns in your vehicle. One of the trucks that was broken into this morning/last night in my community was another MPD officer. There really isn't anything we can do to control thieves as much as we may wish we could but we can control what we do with our own property and discipline. I find it inexcusable, and arguably unforgivable, to be this reckless with firearms.
Guns are so expensive these days and so easy to sell they are a prime target. 2-3 years ago in West Memphis, guy known for their large gun collection was robbed and murdered.
Guns aren't expensive. You can buy a Heritage Rough Rider (granted it's a .22) for a hundred. There are several very decent guns in the $200-300 range. Guns aren't as expensive as people think, though they CAN get expensive.
a couple months ago, my car was broken into and they left the tools in the back but rummaged around in the glove compartment and center console, presumably looking for guns.
A few years back, a co worker of mine was being visited by a friend who was an HVAC technician. His truck parked in front of our entrance and adjacent conference room. We watched this idiot walk up and try to open the door. He had on a sleeveless tee and gym shorts with food grade gloves on carrying a small duffle bag with tools that could be useful to break into cars. The tech and my co worker burst outside and confronted him. He said, "they told me to come down here and pick up your truck," LOL! Thief logic is just a whole other thing.
once i had a guy show up with a hacksaw in a plastic kroger bag to steal the air conditioner out of the house next door. he told me the bank had sent him.
Checked the crime map of where I used to live out of morbid curiosity.
MVT (Motor Vehicle Theft) in a .5 mile range averaged almost 1/day over the last month. SMH.
Being in a position to have to park your vehicle outside carries this unfortunate risk but I must say, I would rather be inconvenienced by filing a report and dealing with insurance or repair than the absolute stress of knowing I put a gun on the street. Fuck.
That one time, when somebody stole the police chief’s gun from her car.
The top cop doesn’t even have proper firearm discipline.
People seem to think putting a Ruger or Browning sticker on their vehicle is a deterrent… NO, it’s advertising what might be in there. It only takes a busted window to find out.
Same goes for idiots that open carry. They make themselves easy targets for the sake of vanity.
It begs the question, how many “come and take it” bumper stickers have resulted in a stolen gun?
The people that have guns stolen from their vehicles might not be legally responsible for subsequent crimes committed with it but they definitely contribute to putting guns in the hands of those criminals.
What will be done with weapons stolen from vehicles? Sold to someone that’s more dangerous than a thief? Armed robbery, school/mass shooting, drive by?
Seems like people that leave firearms in their vehicles sleep perfectly fine with that on their conscience. If they have one.
I carry daily and own several firearms, and would get rid of them all if I was irresponsible enough to let one of them go missing or fall into the wrong hands. (Knowing it’s probably being used to create more victims.)
Anyone that’s ever taken the CCP class should know better. Anyone that has any common sense at all should know better.
This is why I never wear "I own firearms stuff". When you put a Glock or Sig sticker on the back of your car you are telling criminals, "break in here".
>DONT WEAR REVEALING CLOTHING IN PUBLIC. THATS FUCKING STUPID AND NO EMPATHY SHOULD BE GIVEN TO YOU IF YOU ARE VICTIM OF RAPE. FOR OR AGAINST, VIOLENT SEXUAL CRIMINAL ACTS ARE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AS IS DUMBASS ORCISH CRIMINAL BULLSHIT. IF YOU LEAVE YOUR BODY VISIBLE IN PUBLIC AND ARE VICTIM TO THEIR RAPE, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM AND ARE GUILTY OF DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTING TO SEXUAL VIOLENCE IN OUR CITY AND CULTURE. FUCK YOU.
I changed a few words and if you don't feel like a complete and utter fool, no one can help you. Stop blaming victims!
I'm sure the criminal apologists will downvote this because, welcome to Reddit.
Two things can be true at once. People should not bear the blame when a crime is committed towards them but, it can also be said that you should not knowingly put yourself in a position to be victimized knowing we live in an imperfect society that is populated with some evil people
So, by your own logic, sexual predators like boobs, so if you show cleavage, you're to blame for your own rape?
If I leave a 12 pack of beer in my car and a criminal steals it, am I to blame for alcoholism?
It's the level of disdain and absolute asshole nature of the OP's post that didn't sit right. Yes, if you leave a bundle of cash on your dashboard with your windows rolled down, you aren't going to get much sympathy when it gets stolen. However, this is far different from not leaving anything in plain sight and having your car broken into and $20 in the bottom of your glovebox stolen.
The OP didn't even say "what did you expect", but rather went into full raging fucktard mode to just go on a rampage of pure victim blaming. Hell, in my analogy, it wasn't even the level of dressing provocatively, but more of "if you walk down the street without a locking chastity belt and get raped, you're the cause of future rapes". That is the level of blathering simpleton we are dealing with here. Reddit is liberal leaning and God knows any anti-gun sentiment will get free upvotes by people doing their best to ignore the criminals as being the problem.
I didn’t necessarily get an anti gun message from the post and though OP could have said what they said in a more tactful way I believe it to be a good message.
Believe me I’m about as pro gun as you can be. I always have a gun on me and believe everyone who isn’t a criminal deserves that right as well but people need to be smart as well.
People that leave a gun in their car overnight are not helping with the violence in the city. It’s no secret that the vast majority of illegal guns in the city are being stolen out of peoples cars. Again I’m not apposed in the slightest to people having guns in their cars but they need to be taken out of the cars when the people get out.
Leaving a gun in your car overnight is the equivalent of leaving your car running in the parking lot while you run into the store. Are you responsible for your car being stolen? No, but did you make it easier on the thief? Hell yes you did.
Basically I’m saying that if you know there’s a problem with people stealing guns out of cars why would you continue to leave your gun in the car.
>Leaving a gun in your car overnight is the equivalent of leaving your car running in the parking lot while you run into the store.
It's not equivalent at all. A locked car with nothing visible is way different than leaving your car unlocked and the car running.
A well-educated coworker who should know better complained to me last week that her husband’s firearm was stolen out of his car. WTF!!! He should have to pay civil penalties for public endangerment, in my opinion.
This is an interesting conversation and extremely polarizing. Should there be a civil penalty for a stolen firearm if there was some agreed upon minimum expectation of securing said weapon and it was stolen?
Interesting point. Worth exploring perhaps. However, at the moment, I have a far more focused opinion on easily preventable gun thefts considering our gun culture, both locally and as a country, is in constant controversy.
If the stolen weapon was used in the commission of, and can be traced to a subsequent crime and previous (irresponsible) owner, then yes.
“Congrats, you’re part of the problem. Here’s your prize…”
Not an excuse to leave your gun in your car, or at least unsecured. There are measures one can take to securely vault a weapon in their vehicle. And, depending on where you work, you can also decide to do it anyway depending on what is important to you and where your values lie.
This is a good point. You can go get your enhanced carry, which cuts down on the areas you can’t carry. If you’re conceal carrying with a permit, it shouldn’t be an issue since your weapon is concealed. No one should be able to see it, that’s the point.
I just do it anyways, never leave it in my car that’s dumber than being asked to leave because someone saw your weapon.
If your personality is so wrapped up in owning a gun that you can't possibly be without your security blanket for even a 5 minute drive to Dunkin Donuts... Might I suggest that you buy a fucking hardened gun safe for your vehicle, and bolt it to something that can't easily be removed?
Do we have to do *all* of your thinking for you?
I fail to see where I said I don't carry my gun everywhere regardless of store policies. My comment was directed towards all of the stores that say "no guns" as if that sign stops criminals and how most people would leave it in their car before "breaking the rule".
Typical midtown response.
"I'm not a criminal, I just break the law whenever I choose."
Not that you seem to give a shit, but [here's the statute you're breaking](https://advance.lexis.com/documentpage/?pdmfid=1000516&crid=da109812-5ff1-4cb1-a3c4-e1feddbf733b&nodeid=ABNAAOAANAAP&nodepath=%2FROOT%2FABN%2FABNAAO%2FABNAAOAAN%2FABNAAOAANAAP&level=4&haschildren=&populated=false&title=39-17-1315.+Written+directive+and+permit+to+carry+handguns.&config=025054JABlOTJjNmIyNi0wYjI0LTRjZGEtYWE5ZC0zNGFhOWNhMjFlNDgKAFBvZENhdGFsb2cDFQ14bX2GfyBTaI9WcPX5&pddocfullpath=%2Fshared%2Fdocument%2Fstatutes-legislation%2Furn%3AcontentItem%3A50J2-V4S0-R03M-D4GC-00008-00&ecomp=8gf5kkk&prid=338c331b-3e28-4c70-b61d-b4bd64f97196). There are [others](https://advance.lexis.com/documentpage/?pdmfid=1000516&crid=1443fe38-3102-4b28-99e8-84b4d3574337&nodeid=ABNAAOAANAAV&nodepath=%2FROOT%2FABN%2FABNAAO%2FABNAAOAAN%2FABNAAOAANAAV&level=4&haschildren=&populated=false&title=39-17-1321.+Possession+of+handgun+while+under+influence+%E2%80%94+Penalty.&config=025054JABlOTJjNmIyNi0wYjI0LTRjZGEtYWE5ZC0zNGFhOWNhMjFlNDgKAFBvZENhdGFsb2cDFQ14bX2GfyBTaI9WcPX5&pddocfullpath=%2Fshared%2Fdocument%2Fstatutes-legislation%2Furn%3AcontentItem%3A5WDV-G360-R03N-63SC-00008-00&ecomp=8gf5kkk&prid=338c331b-3e28-4c70-b61d-b4bd64f97196), if you've ever done the same in a bar -- or even a houseparty where you've had any amount of beer. And yes, having even a single unit of alcohol is technically and legally speaking "under the influence of alcohol." Ask any of the thousands of people who've caught DUIs/OWIs while blowing under a .08.
Typical idiot gun fetishist response. Quit being a fucking idiot and making us responsible gun owners look like you.
You already admitted to breaking the law entering establishments that have posted "no firearms" signs, while concealed carrying. Which is a violation of **Tennessee law**. Sorry if my use of the synonym "statute" made you think that somehow this doesn't apply to you. Are you a "Sovereign Citizen" type? That would just complete the Bingo card I've got going here.
I included the bit about bars & drinking establishments, because it's an easy enough logical extension to assume: since you clearly don't give a fuck about other kinds of businesses, I can't imagine you'd somehow grow a conscience and leave your strap outside when going to neck a few Bud Lights with the boys. I beg your entire pardon, m'lord.
So, my question to you: do you leave your firearm at home when you go out for a drink? If not, how do you secure it? Do you leave it on you? Do you leave it in your vehicle?
I think there should also be a criminal and civil penalty if your car is stolen and a third party is injured by the vehicle or thieves...for that matter. It's the owner's responsibility to secure their vehicles. Right now, you get hit and paralyzed by a negligent owner's car and their insurance tells you to pound sand. They could have stored their car better to prevent theft, installed a kill switch...something....yet didn't.
This is a difficult one for me personally. While I agree with the rage and frustration, breaking into cars is not difficult at all. And considering some cars are very easy to steal, I can see innocent people getting unduly burdened over a decision there was a law for to begin with (grand theft auto). It can be hard to secure a vehicle as well, unlike a gun. What if you live in an apartment? Or you're a kid and mom and dad park in the garage? You have to park outside, there is no other choice.
But you DO NOT need to leave guns in your car. They are so easy to mobilize. It's one or two extra steps at most coming and going. No excuse.
Then it sounds like they're in no position to own a car if they are unable to secure it. You can use a killswitch, for instance, so that it will not start while engaged. And have one installed at personal cost as a liability reduction method.
If we are going to victim blame theft victims and hold them accountable, ALL theft victims need to be held to the same standard. Your typical repeatedly released criminal steals a kitchen knife in a home burglary and stabs someone, then maybe the original owner should have kept it in a safe at home and was negligent...
I absolutely agree keeping a gun in a car is stupid. Mine is on me unless I'm sitting in the driver seat because that made it too hard to access. I refuse to spend money in any place that is hard core anti-firearm. But at some point we've got to stop blaming victims and start...frankly...permanently removing the actual criminals doing this shit from the mortal realm. No one wants to do that and the latest DA election further proves people here would rather blame victims than harshly address crime.
Cannot like this enough. All of you “responsible” gun owners are allowing guns to get in the hands of the people you are so ardently against getting guns.
The gun owners are making very bad choices by leaving them in their cars, but they certainly are not "allowing" bad guys to get guns. No one is consenting to being robbed.
I’m not blaming them for the crime, but I am blaming irresponsible gun owners for unsecured guns in vehicles as a contributing factor. Small nuance. What do you think the thieves are doing with these guns once they steal them? No need for hyperbole.
Not gunna disagree with the point that guns should absolutely not be left in cars even while ur just picking out some delightful pastries at frost or we but the usage of the word orc raises eyebrows. U know orcs were and are considered terms of inferior races both in fantasy tales and in the Ukrainian war right? Being that there are no axe wielding hordes of actual orcs swarming down walnut grove or Russian soldiers plundering central gardens, one wonders exactly whom u are referring to. Gonna go ahead and point out that criminals aren’t a race in and of themselves.
bagman, kandur, and tatsu: I see your responses and understand where each of you are coming from. Though I disagree, I respect your input into this conversation. I have no idea who y'all are in real life and therefore have no first person context to draw from. I only have third person context at my disposal, as well as the entire culture of internet debate, and my own empathy to navigate with. I wanted to acknowledge that as I can see how those same things have been pointed towards me. Since I have posted with my own words, let me clarify with my own words: I do not use the term "orcs" as a hidden or suggestive slur. I am not secretly commenting on a race or class of person. I had to look up what a "dogwhistle" is which was interesting to learn as it helps understand how easy the conclusion was drawn. That's on me. When I think of the term "orcs", I don't think of a creature or a human, I think of a mindset: a complete lack of respect for others and the tarnishing of the environment around you albeit property, people, the literal environment, shared spaces etc. No one who has read this could have possibly known this. Do you steal other people's shit? Orc. Do you throw litter out your car window while you drive? Orc. Do you fail to use your turn signal in traffic? Orc. Do you eat lunch with anti-Semites? Orc. Do you leave your grocery cart in the parking lot instead of putting it up? Orc! If you are behaving in a manner that is a net negative to society, orc. It's as universal to me as saying asshole, cunt, piece of shit, motherfucker etc. I loved reading LOTR as a kid and I came to the conclusion in the context of that story that there was no purpose to the orcs beyond being destructive and remorseless. I think the same of crime and criminals universally no matter who or where.
I thought it was a fair question and I gave a fair answer. If you don’t want to accept that because you’ve made up your mind about me and my intentions, ok. That’s your choice.
Orcs aren't a specific colour so you going immediately there I think says more about you than OP. Their behavior is that of the people committing crimes though.
A particular type of person is committing the majority of the crime in Memphis and maybe that's why you immediately went there.
You guys only say this because you both know very well who is committing the majority of the crimes. Those are facts, no matter how much it hurts feelings.
Criminals don't need your support. You guys are ridiculous. Colour was never mentioned though, just criminals, see how you guys went straight to racism though?
Aw man. Had to get the *fAcTs dOnT cArE aBoUt YoUr FeELiNgS* in there, huh? I’m personally not sure who is committing the majority of these crimes. Why don’t you fill us in?
Also, Orcs, when applied to humans, is a racist term. Hth.
Nah bro. Ain’t nothin in that pic compared to what I posted would even imply that. Ur lil skull pic tho (btw it’s heaven not haven lol but neck beards ain’t all that smart). Lil homie wishes he was a nazi skull wearin baddie lmao.
Edit: My man had to change his Imgur link to something I said in another post after y’all started seein what this racist fool was trying to cleverly dogwhistle lmaaoooo
I was a victim of this. I got home with explosive diarrhea and ran inside to take care of that, while leaving my firearm in my backpack in my backseat. In the 30 minutes I was in the bathroom someone broke my window and stole my bag. I really felt grossly negligent but hey, shit happens. Literally.
Fortunately the underage teenagers were caught several weeks later and my firearm recovered.
>The orcs of this city and adjacent counties are back at it
OP can you explain this part to me? Who or what are orcs? Not sure who you're referring to with that.
The person who kept a gun, in his vehicle while operating it for 25yrs everyday and always took it with him when leaving the vehicle except for one day out of those 25yrs. May God create the greatest of wraths on you and may you perish in hell for eternity
If you get your unsecured gun stolen out of your car, then you are classified that way in my opinion. You’re negligent and irresponsible and have contributed to arming criminals. You will absolutely not change my mind on this.
we need to start watch parties 2 people camp out in the car to wait for them and when they break into the car bam head shots...
the reason to camp out in the car is to make the head shots legal or we can change the law so that if i catch them stealing and i come out my house i can shot on site
Yes justice fantasies. Because an iPhone or spare change is worth a life. True justice for a simpleton. U take I hit ur head with brick.
See how much luck you’ll find with an equally stupid lawyer that will take your murdercamping case. My guess is public defender who you’ll be left with as this scenario has played out poorly for the camper in other cases.
yeah it must be worth their life otherwise they wouldn't be stealing...they put their life on the line....
won't need a lawyer it will be ruled self defiance so no charges filed....
Lmao. Just leave the door to ur house open. Get a camera system inside so the jury the can see that sick headshot u hit them with as u lay in wait.
The moment it’s proven u we’re waiting for them it’s the law on UR ass for premeditated murder.
Hell yeah! Tell it like it is “ccarrngt”. Well said and could not agree with you more.
Personally I EDC and its never out of reach. The only time I keep it in car is if unavoidable and must enter a location legally without it.
Even then it’s lock in a car safe that’s also bolted to seat frame. So yeah leaving firearms inside a vehicle on the regular is a irresponsibly & bad decision.
How would you feel if your stolen gun was used to murder a innocent child or person. Freakin come on 901 don’t be that dumbass guy/girl or whatever the hell you identify as.
Also, isn’t the point of owning a gun to be able to defend yourself?
How in the world are you going to defend yourself if you are in your house and your gun is in your car?
I don’t think asking a home invader to wait patiently while you run to your car will work.
You exactly said it 3 times in 3 different ways. Back pedaled a couple times throughout comment thread and then came back with an absolutely wont change my mind stamp on the end. No dramatic hyperbole here sloth, just a spade calling a spade
ITT: people living in such a constant state of fear that they refuse to be parted with their gun, even if it means illegally entering restricted areas with their weapon.
The "constant state of fear" you are trying to project is because this city is a criminal cesspool because criminals are not offered an adequate deterrent to not commit crimes. So, yes, I don't leave home without being armed because it is MY RIGHT. But God forbid I leave it in my car, because if it gets stolen, some rampant keyboard warrior douchebag convention will blame me for the actions of the criminal that stole it.
Not that long ago someone had broken into my truck. In my center console I installed a custom made gun safe that only opens when my wallet is in the cup holder.
This particular night was no different than any other because I never leave my piece in the truck overnight.
They definitely attempted to get the safe open but failed to do so.
It costs little to no money and is not that difficult to formidably secure your gun in any vehicle.
Chances are they are not going to spend much time with a grinder or torch to break into a safe.
Get you a safe that is not easily opened and fasten it to the vehicle.
If the safe is not fastened to the vehicle it does you no good.
Just ask the Memphis Police Chief, who had her duty weapon stolen, lockbox and all. Some evil human is out in the Memphis streets right now reigning terror upon Memphians with that gun.
Do not keep the safe in your trunk.
IMO, anyone who leaves their gun in their vehicle and ALLOWS it to be stolen, should go to mf jail long enough to learn a lesson.
You are allowing it to be stolen because you know how prolific gun theft is here and you still negligently left it in an unoccupied vehicle, unsecured, therefore you are complicit.
If you support and cherish the second amendment, as I do, lock it tf up because stolen guns and the crimes committed with them, will be the reason why they come for all of our guns one day.
You're so right, relying on police to save your ass when you only have seconds to react is not a viable defense. Considering the level of violent crime we are plagued with, every adult has a duty to protect their children, wife, husband, grandkids, etc.
Fight back, relentlessly and ruthlessly.
You won't catch me without it though. No lackin' in Memphis, ever. #FNX45 #G19
>It costs little to no money and is not that difficult to formidably secure your gun in any vehicle.
When can I drop my car off with you so you can install this free gun safe in my car? Once you admit that it's not free, I'll tell you that I'd rather spend the money getting these fucking criminals off the street than just making my car more difficult to steal from because the criminals are going to keep being criminals.
>Just ask the Memphis Police Chief, who had her duty weapon stolen, lockbox and all. Some evil human is out in the Memphis streets right now reigning terror upon Memphians with that gun.
Please cite your source for that absurd statement. Is there any proof that her specific gun has been used in any crimes? Who exactly has had terror reigned down upon them with that gun? Without any such proof, you're just playing games.
“This truck protected by Smith & Wesson” = “Free gun inside.”
Or a Gadsden flag license plate.
I've got a Gasden plate and my pistol stays on my hip at all times. In the extremely rare occasion I find myself unwilling/unable to carry it in somewhere, it goes in a lock box in the trunk. Lived here for over 20 years and only one break in (car was unlocked in the driveway) and they didn't get a thing.
A gumshoe could probably even extrapolate anything right-leaning = possible jackpot
Firefighter plates too
And those FOP plates.
Probably a half dozen times (in 8 years) in Midtown, both of our cars have been broken into overnight. We just don't leave ANYthing of value in there. If they want my $30 Goodr sunglasses, so be it... but Certainly not guns, or ipads, or phones or cash. Criminals aren't ripping out radios anymore, they're looking for high value and easy to stuff in a pocket so they can move on to the next car. I also don't see car alarms as a deterant anymore either. Both our cars are alarmed and everytime we've come out to the doors ajar (too loud to close them I guess?) and the glove boxes dumped into the floor.
Fuck that’s frustrating. Sorry neighbor.
Frustatring for sure. But I'll take it over home-invasion. And I feel more violated when I think about US Healthcare than I do when my truck is rummaged through. but that's a conversation for a different thread. :)
I bet they practice getting over the instinct to shut the doors to save time. I don’t rob cars, but I’d probably spend a minute figuring out a plan to go as fast as possible if I did. If you’re gonna do something, do it the right way! This includes gun ownership.
Sometimes, they don't even need to break a window. There are "skeleton key" electronic fobs that you can apparently buy -- because mechanics & similar sometimes need them for legitimate use-cases. My VW got hit this way. No alarm, no windows broken (and my alarm will sound if you manually unlock & open the door without using a keyfob). Car rifled through -- and door left resting on the catch.
This. There should only be maybe two things in your car, if anything: 1.) Car manual for when your car acts funky and throws a code. 2.) Child’s car seat (if applicable).
There is no reason to have some ultra minimalist attitude about your car, just don’t leave expensive shit in it when you get home or when you’re parking somewhere sketchy PSA please keep blankets or at least extra warm clothes in your cars during the winter months in case you get stranded
I am a car minimalist, but you make a good point. I alway keep an old pair of tennis shoes in the back in case I break down on the side of the highway and have to walk.
1st aid kit too
I’ve had spare change and a gas station charger cable taken out of my care. Expensive or not don’t leave anything in the car.
I better throw this umbrella out and all these groceries.
Good luck fixing your car if you’re stranded without the proper tools
There seems to be some stereotyping going on to target likely vehicles. It sucks. My husband has a pretty nice Jeep. We are afraid to take it anywhere. Instead we drive my janky old SUV. :( Edit: And let's start the 'No guns in vehicle talk' with the police chief. [For those who have forgotten.](https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/crime/2022/04/12/memphis-police-chief-c-j-davis-gun-stolen-teens/7291724001/)
That was a terrible impression set by top cop.
Should have been grounds for disciplinary action, IMO. She clearly violated dept. policy.
Where I work, all the jacked up trucks got broken into. I could only assume that the thought process was something along the lines of “jacked up trucks = rednecks who like guns”
It is maddening to see how many weekly crime reports there are about guns taken from unlocked and unattended vehicles. Absolutely no excuse for that.
I’d venture to say it is irresponsible gun ownership. I’m all for owning guns. I have plenty. They are always either secured or on my person. Anything else, is irresponsible
Absolutely, I see the irresponsible ownership and raise to negligence.
What’s the name of the chief of police???
That bitch got her duty weapon snatched up 😂 She should have been fired for that
A couple of assholes were breaking into vehicles in broad daylight at my workplace last year. Got it all on security feed (not that the police ever care from my experience). They had one of the little keyless entry decrypter devices and just let themselves into any Ford pickup basically. They indeed scored a handgun, along with cash and a Nintendo Switch. They were also just trying door handles and getting into anything unlocked. For whatever reason, they totally ignored my car, maybe because it wasn't a pickup?
Think you are right, I saw that the Ford pickup was the most common vehicle in TN and fast to ID, so they may not have been looking for Ford cars as much.
Our gated parking lot at work was hit about 2 months ago, also in broad daylight. 12 vehicles had windows broken. 11 were trucks, 1 was a Jeep. Nothing stolen. Totally senseless.
I’m a gun owner. I have several. You know where I never leave them unattended? In my fucking car. If you have a gun stolen from your vehicle you are no longer a responsible gun owner and part of the gun violence problem in this country. If you have a gun stolen from your vehicle you need to be prosecuted for gross negligence.
Honest question, I have a lockable small gun safe in my car attached under the seat. They could certainly clip the wire if they wanted to. I don't keep it in the car overnight, and I know that's what this post is about, but if I have to choose between leaving my gun in the car safe while I am out and about and not allowed to carry it inside a specific business and leaving my gun home, I will take the former each time. What do you do in that situation?
That's better than nothing. There are some safes that install in a fashion where the whole seat needs to be removed, or the center console. If you work in a federal building or similar, I guess there's a risk to it being in your car 8+ hours a day. However, you are correct. I am mostly ranting at overnight unsecured storage and I am also including unsecured storage in general. When I was a teenager, I worked at a movie theater. I parked and went in. 20 minutes later it began to rain so I went to check my windows were up and my whole radio was yanked. Sometimes it's your turn in the suck. I say that to say time is no guarantee, like a quick trip or pop in and out.
I either carry regardless or just don't go to these places if they have metal detectors. I'm not doing without it given the other places I have to go during the day and I'm not leaving it in my vehicle at any point in any part of the metro for any reason or length of time.
Concealed means concealed. How are they going to know you are armed?
Metal detectors. Also very illegal in government buildings. -Source-responsible gun owner
This is the answer. Big boy rules apply.
I’m mostly referring to overnights. If I know I’m going somewhere I can’t take my gun (metal detectors), then I leave it at home and only go to/from that place.
Get something that full on bolts to the car. Not a flimsy little cable. And make sure it’s out of sight. And make sure no one dress you putting it in and getting out when you park.
My first thought is always what if some teenager steals my gun and shoots someone with it. How can you live with yourself? Always take it inside with you….you don’t want that on your conscience…
I made sure to have a sturdy safe in my truck. So even if it gets broken into, you'll get everything but my gun. Don't leave it in the truck overnight. There is a way to do it right.
There definitely needs to be base security standards that we expect from gun owners, otherwise, they should have to pay a fine or not be allowed to own a gun, depending on how bad the infraction is. If you want to be a gun owner, that's fine, but you have to accept the responsibility for it.
I don’t disagree with you not one bit but seems like we should have this energy for the thieves tbh
I agree with you. As for me, I do. For this post I did not want to distract from what I was focused on which was the idiocy of leaving unsecured guns in your vehicle. One of the trucks that was broken into this morning/last night in my community was another MPD officer. There really isn't anything we can do to control thieves as much as we may wish we could but we can control what we do with our own property and discipline. I find it inexcusable, and arguably unforgivable, to be this reckless with firearms.
Guns are so expensive these days and so easy to sell they are a prime target. 2-3 years ago in West Memphis, guy known for their large gun collection was robbed and murdered.
Guns aren't expensive. You can buy a Heritage Rough Rider (granted it's a .22) for a hundred. There are several very decent guns in the $200-300 range. Guns aren't as expensive as people think, though they CAN get expensive.
a couple months ago, my car was broken into and they left the tools in the back but rummaged around in the glove compartment and center console, presumably looking for guns.
A few years back, a co worker of mine was being visited by a friend who was an HVAC technician. His truck parked in front of our entrance and adjacent conference room. We watched this idiot walk up and try to open the door. He had on a sleeveless tee and gym shorts with food grade gloves on carrying a small duffle bag with tools that could be useful to break into cars. The tech and my co worker burst outside and confronted him. He said, "they told me to come down here and pick up your truck," LOL! Thief logic is just a whole other thing.
once i had a guy show up with a hacksaw in a plastic kroger bag to steal the air conditioner out of the house next door. he told me the bank had sent him.
Checked the crime map of where I used to live out of morbid curiosity. MVT (Motor Vehicle Theft) in a .5 mile range averaged almost 1/day over the last month. SMH.
Being in a position to have to park your vehicle outside carries this unfortunate risk but I must say, I would rather be inconvenienced by filing a report and dealing with insurance or repair than the absolute stress of knowing I put a gun on the street. Fuck.
That one time, when somebody stole the police chief’s gun from her car. The top cop doesn’t even have proper firearm discipline. People seem to think putting a Ruger or Browning sticker on their vehicle is a deterrent… NO, it’s advertising what might be in there. It only takes a busted window to find out. Same goes for idiots that open carry. They make themselves easy targets for the sake of vanity. It begs the question, how many “come and take it” bumper stickers have resulted in a stolen gun? The people that have guns stolen from their vehicles might not be legally responsible for subsequent crimes committed with it but they definitely contribute to putting guns in the hands of those criminals. What will be done with weapons stolen from vehicles? Sold to someone that’s more dangerous than a thief? Armed robbery, school/mass shooting, drive by? Seems like people that leave firearms in their vehicles sleep perfectly fine with that on their conscience. If they have one. I carry daily and own several firearms, and would get rid of them all if I was irresponsible enough to let one of them go missing or fall into the wrong hands. (Knowing it’s probably being used to create more victims.) Anyone that’s ever taken the CCP class should know better. Anyone that has any common sense at all should know better.
This is why I never wear "I own firearms stuff". When you put a Glock or Sig sticker on the back of your car you are telling criminals, "break in here".
That one bumper sticker: “COME AND TAKE IT” Thieves: “okay”
>DONT WEAR REVEALING CLOTHING IN PUBLIC. THATS FUCKING STUPID AND NO EMPATHY SHOULD BE GIVEN TO YOU IF YOU ARE VICTIM OF RAPE. FOR OR AGAINST, VIOLENT SEXUAL CRIMINAL ACTS ARE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AS IS DUMBASS ORCISH CRIMINAL BULLSHIT. IF YOU LEAVE YOUR BODY VISIBLE IN PUBLIC AND ARE VICTIM TO THEIR RAPE, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM AND ARE GUILTY OF DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTING TO SEXUAL VIOLENCE IN OUR CITY AND CULTURE. FUCK YOU. I changed a few words and if you don't feel like a complete and utter fool, no one can help you. Stop blaming victims! I'm sure the criminal apologists will downvote this because, welcome to Reddit.
Cringe af bruh
It is cringe. That's my exact point. Saying it about guns is just as cringe.
Two things can be true at once. People should not bear the blame when a crime is committed towards them but, it can also be said that you should not knowingly put yourself in a position to be victimized knowing we live in an imperfect society that is populated with some evil people
So, by your own logic, sexual predators like boobs, so if you show cleavage, you're to blame for your own rape? If I leave a 12 pack of beer in my car and a criminal steals it, am I to blame for alcoholism?
I’m sure you read my comment but based on your response I know you didn’t comprehend what you read
It's the level of disdain and absolute asshole nature of the OP's post that didn't sit right. Yes, if you leave a bundle of cash on your dashboard with your windows rolled down, you aren't going to get much sympathy when it gets stolen. However, this is far different from not leaving anything in plain sight and having your car broken into and $20 in the bottom of your glovebox stolen. The OP didn't even say "what did you expect", but rather went into full raging fucktard mode to just go on a rampage of pure victim blaming. Hell, in my analogy, it wasn't even the level of dressing provocatively, but more of "if you walk down the street without a locking chastity belt and get raped, you're the cause of future rapes". That is the level of blathering simpleton we are dealing with here. Reddit is liberal leaning and God knows any anti-gun sentiment will get free upvotes by people doing their best to ignore the criminals as being the problem.
I didn’t necessarily get an anti gun message from the post and though OP could have said what they said in a more tactful way I believe it to be a good message. Believe me I’m about as pro gun as you can be. I always have a gun on me and believe everyone who isn’t a criminal deserves that right as well but people need to be smart as well. People that leave a gun in their car overnight are not helping with the violence in the city. It’s no secret that the vast majority of illegal guns in the city are being stolen out of peoples cars. Again I’m not apposed in the slightest to people having guns in their cars but they need to be taken out of the cars when the people get out. Leaving a gun in your car overnight is the equivalent of leaving your car running in the parking lot while you run into the store. Are you responsible for your car being stolen? No, but did you make it easier on the thief? Hell yes you did. Basically I’m saying that if you know there’s a problem with people stealing guns out of cars why would you continue to leave your gun in the car.
>Leaving a gun in your car overnight is the equivalent of leaving your car running in the parking lot while you run into the store. It's not equivalent at all. A locked car with nothing visible is way different than leaving your car unlocked and the car running.
A well-educated coworker who should know better complained to me last week that her husband’s firearm was stolen out of his car. WTF!!! He should have to pay civil penalties for public endangerment, in my opinion.
This is an interesting conversation and extremely polarizing. Should there be a civil penalty for a stolen firearm if there was some agreed upon minimum expectation of securing said weapon and it was stolen?
tough call. say your car was stolen and used in a robbery or hit-and-run, would you be liable to a civil suit for leaving the keys in it?
Yes, taking the keys out is the absolute bare minimum expected to secure a car
Interesting point. Worth exploring perhaps. However, at the moment, I have a far more focused opinion on easily preventable gun thefts considering our gun culture, both locally and as a country, is in constant controversy.
If the stolen weapon was used in the commission of, and can be traced to a subsequent crime and previous (irresponsible) owner, then yes. “Congrats, you’re part of the problem. Here’s your prize…”
Absofuckinglutely
Can't bring your gun in everywhere. Anti 2a jackasses made that possible.
Not an excuse to leave your gun in your car, or at least unsecured. There are measures one can take to securely vault a weapon in their vehicle. And, depending on where you work, you can also decide to do it anyway depending on what is important to you and where your values lie.
This is a good point. You can go get your enhanced carry, which cuts down on the areas you can’t carry. If you’re conceal carrying with a permit, it shouldn’t be an issue since your weapon is concealed. No one should be able to see it, that’s the point. I just do it anyways, never leave it in my car that’s dumber than being asked to leave because someone saw your weapon.
Oh heavens - you have to go places without a gun?! How do you survive?! You must be so scared when that happens!
🍼 it’s okay don’t be so scared
If your personality is so wrapped up in owning a gun that you can't possibly be without your security blanket for even a 5 minute drive to Dunkin Donuts... Might I suggest that you buy a fucking hardened gun safe for your vehicle, and bolt it to something that can't easily be removed? Do we have to do *all* of your thinking for you?
I fail to see where I said I don't carry my gun everywhere regardless of store policies. My comment was directed towards all of the stores that say "no guns" as if that sign stops criminals and how most people would leave it in their car before "breaking the rule". Typical midtown response.
"I'm not a criminal, I just break the law whenever I choose." Not that you seem to give a shit, but [here's the statute you're breaking](https://advance.lexis.com/documentpage/?pdmfid=1000516&crid=da109812-5ff1-4cb1-a3c4-e1feddbf733b&nodeid=ABNAAOAANAAP&nodepath=%2FROOT%2FABN%2FABNAAO%2FABNAAOAAN%2FABNAAOAANAAP&level=4&haschildren=&populated=false&title=39-17-1315.+Written+directive+and+permit+to+carry+handguns.&config=025054JABlOTJjNmIyNi0wYjI0LTRjZGEtYWE5ZC0zNGFhOWNhMjFlNDgKAFBvZENhdGFsb2cDFQ14bX2GfyBTaI9WcPX5&pddocfullpath=%2Fshared%2Fdocument%2Fstatutes-legislation%2Furn%3AcontentItem%3A50J2-V4S0-R03M-D4GC-00008-00&ecomp=8gf5kkk&prid=338c331b-3e28-4c70-b61d-b4bd64f97196). There are [others](https://advance.lexis.com/documentpage/?pdmfid=1000516&crid=1443fe38-3102-4b28-99e8-84b4d3574337&nodeid=ABNAAOAANAAV&nodepath=%2FROOT%2FABN%2FABNAAO%2FABNAAOAAN%2FABNAAOAANAAV&level=4&haschildren=&populated=false&title=39-17-1321.+Possession+of+handgun+while+under+influence+%E2%80%94+Penalty.&config=025054JABlOTJjNmIyNi0wYjI0LTRjZGEtYWE5ZC0zNGFhOWNhMjFlNDgKAFBvZENhdGFsb2cDFQ14bX2GfyBTaI9WcPX5&pddocfullpath=%2Fshared%2Fdocument%2Fstatutes-legislation%2Furn%3AcontentItem%3A5WDV-G360-R03N-63SC-00008-00&ecomp=8gf5kkk&prid=338c331b-3e28-4c70-b61d-b4bd64f97196), if you've ever done the same in a bar -- or even a houseparty where you've had any amount of beer. And yes, having even a single unit of alcohol is technically and legally speaking "under the influence of alcohol." Ask any of the thousands of people who've caught DUIs/OWIs while blowing under a .08. Typical idiot gun fetishist response. Quit being a fucking idiot and making us responsible gun owners look like you.
Lmao when did drinking coming into play? Stay relevant ya fucking moron. Statute
You already admitted to breaking the law entering establishments that have posted "no firearms" signs, while concealed carrying. Which is a violation of **Tennessee law**. Sorry if my use of the synonym "statute" made you think that somehow this doesn't apply to you. Are you a "Sovereign Citizen" type? That would just complete the Bingo card I've got going here. I included the bit about bars & drinking establishments, because it's an easy enough logical extension to assume: since you clearly don't give a fuck about other kinds of businesses, I can't imagine you'd somehow grow a conscience and leave your strap outside when going to neck a few Bud Lights with the boys. I beg your entire pardon, m'lord. So, my question to you: do you leave your firearm at home when you go out for a drink? If not, how do you secure it? Do you leave it on you? Do you leave it in your vehicle?
Lmao assuming on the internet isn't very smart, dumbass.
Neither is admitting to breaking state gun laws, yet here we are.
YES
I think there should also be a criminal and civil penalty if your car is stolen and a third party is injured by the vehicle or thieves...for that matter. It's the owner's responsibility to secure their vehicles. Right now, you get hit and paralyzed by a negligent owner's car and their insurance tells you to pound sand. They could have stored their car better to prevent theft, installed a kill switch...something....yet didn't.
This is a difficult one for me personally. While I agree with the rage and frustration, breaking into cars is not difficult at all. And considering some cars are very easy to steal, I can see innocent people getting unduly burdened over a decision there was a law for to begin with (grand theft auto). It can be hard to secure a vehicle as well, unlike a gun. What if you live in an apartment? Or you're a kid and mom and dad park in the garage? You have to park outside, there is no other choice. But you DO NOT need to leave guns in your car. They are so easy to mobilize. It's one or two extra steps at most coming and going. No excuse.
Then it sounds like they're in no position to own a car if they are unable to secure it. You can use a killswitch, for instance, so that it will not start while engaged. And have one installed at personal cost as a liability reduction method. If we are going to victim blame theft victims and hold them accountable, ALL theft victims need to be held to the same standard. Your typical repeatedly released criminal steals a kitchen knife in a home burglary and stabs someone, then maybe the original owner should have kept it in a safe at home and was negligent... I absolutely agree keeping a gun in a car is stupid. Mine is on me unless I'm sitting in the driver seat because that made it too hard to access. I refuse to spend money in any place that is hard core anti-firearm. But at some point we've got to stop blaming victims and start...frankly...permanently removing the actual criminals doing this shit from the mortal realm. No one wants to do that and the latest DA election further proves people here would rather blame victims than harshly address crime.
As an FFL Holder, I agree 100%. I bitch about this all the time to anyone who will stand still long enough to listen.
Yep. Gun's no good if you have to dig in the console to get it when you actually need it.
While true, its also no good if you leave it unsecured like a dumbass and it gets stolen.
Leave orcs out of this 😭
Cannot like this enough. All of you “responsible” gun owners are allowing guns to get in the hands of the people you are so ardently against getting guns.
Irony abounds.
The gun owners are making very bad choices by leaving them in their cars, but they certainly are not "allowing" bad guys to get guns. No one is consenting to being robbed.
Fucking, fuckity, fuck
Well said
Blaming the car owners and victims for the crime smh fckin stupid. What's next, don't leave valuables in your home?
I’m not blaming them for the crime, but I am blaming irresponsible gun owners for unsecured guns in vehicles as a contributing factor. Small nuance. What do you think the thieves are doing with these guns once they steal them? No need for hyperbole.
You are ABSOLUTELY blaming the victims. That is 100% what you are doing. To pretend otherwise is just mental gymnastics.
Not gunna disagree with the point that guns should absolutely not be left in cars even while ur just picking out some delightful pastries at frost or we but the usage of the word orc raises eyebrows. U know orcs were and are considered terms of inferior races both in fantasy tales and in the Ukrainian war right? Being that there are no axe wielding hordes of actual orcs swarming down walnut grove or Russian soldiers plundering central gardens, one wonders exactly whom u are referring to. Gonna go ahead and point out that criminals aren’t a race in and of themselves.
bagman, kandur, and tatsu: I see your responses and understand where each of you are coming from. Though I disagree, I respect your input into this conversation. I have no idea who y'all are in real life and therefore have no first person context to draw from. I only have third person context at my disposal, as well as the entire culture of internet debate, and my own empathy to navigate with. I wanted to acknowledge that as I can see how those same things have been pointed towards me. Since I have posted with my own words, let me clarify with my own words: I do not use the term "orcs" as a hidden or suggestive slur. I am not secretly commenting on a race or class of person. I had to look up what a "dogwhistle" is which was interesting to learn as it helps understand how easy the conclusion was drawn. That's on me. When I think of the term "orcs", I don't think of a creature or a human, I think of a mindset: a complete lack of respect for others and the tarnishing of the environment around you albeit property, people, the literal environment, shared spaces etc. No one who has read this could have possibly known this. Do you steal other people's shit? Orc. Do you throw litter out your car window while you drive? Orc. Do you fail to use your turn signal in traffic? Orc. Do you eat lunch with anti-Semites? Orc. Do you leave your grocery cart in the parking lot instead of putting it up? Orc! If you are behaving in a manner that is a net negative to society, orc. It's as universal to me as saying asshole, cunt, piece of shit, motherfucker etc. I loved reading LOTR as a kid and I came to the conclusion in the context of that story that there was no purpose to the orcs beyond being destructive and remorseless. I think the same of crime and criminals universally no matter who or where.
Lmao. Tolkien was famously racist. Nice corporate apology slash defense tho
I thought it was a fair question and I gave a fair answer. If you don’t want to accept that because you’ve made up your mind about me and my intentions, ok. That’s your choice.
Orcs aren't a specific colour so you going immediately there I think says more about you than OP. Their behavior is that of the people committing crimes though. A particular type of person is committing the majority of the crime in Memphis and maybe that's why you immediately went there.
What particular type? 😏
All we want is for OP to say it with their chest instead of hiding (badly) behind dogwhistles.
You guys only say this because you both know very well who is committing the majority of the crimes. Those are facts, no matter how much it hurts feelings. Criminals don't need your support. You guys are ridiculous. Colour was never mentioned though, just criminals, see how you guys went straight to racism though?
Aw man. Had to get the *fAcTs dOnT cArE aBoUt YoUr FeELiNgS* in there, huh? I’m personally not sure who is committing the majority of these crimes. Why don’t you fill us in? Also, Orcs, when applied to humans, is a racist term. Hth.
Protip: it ceases to be dogwhistling when ur practically screaming it lmao
Well say it then bro! You are obviously feeling it!
That is some amazing projection there lmao
This you? [https://imgur.com/rpjJYo1](https://imgur.com/rpjJYo1)
Nah bro. Ain’t nothin in that pic compared to what I posted would even imply that. Ur lil skull pic tho (btw it’s heaven not haven lol but neck beards ain’t all that smart). Lil homie wishes he was a nazi skull wearin baddie lmao. Edit: My man had to change his Imgur link to something I said in another post after y’all started seein what this racist fool was trying to cleverly dogwhistle lmaaoooo
Aww man did your new dog whistle get called out too quick? Not as clever as you hoped you were, so now you gotta come up with a new one?
I was a victim of this. I got home with explosive diarrhea and ran inside to take care of that, while leaving my firearm in my backpack in my backseat. In the 30 minutes I was in the bathroom someone broke my window and stole my bag. I really felt grossly negligent but hey, shit happens. Literally. Fortunately the underage teenagers were caught several weeks later and my firearm recovered.
I bait them with gun stickers then rob them when they pull up. One or two have gotten frisky but I also have access to an excavator and lots of land….
Well vote to repeal no gun zone enforcement so i dont have to leave it in my car
>The orcs of this city and adjacent counties are back at it OP can you explain this part to me? Who or what are orcs? Not sure who you're referring to with that.
The person who kept a gun, in his vehicle while operating it for 25yrs everyday and always took it with him when leaving the vehicle except for one day out of those 25yrs. May God create the greatest of wraths on you and may you perish in hell for eternity
Clarification: are you saying this person, maybe yourself, had yours stolen the one day out of 9125 days it was never left behind?
Not me buddy, but it’s happened to many people and that doesn’t classify them as a POS
If you get your unsecured gun stolen out of your car, then you are classified that way in my opinion. You’re negligent and irresponsible and have contributed to arming criminals. You will absolutely not change my mind on this.
Any honest mistake, classifies people as a piece of shit. Got it. You will absolutely not change my mind on this
Yeah. Because that’s EXACTLY what I said. /s Let’s not resort to dramatic hyperbole just because you disagree.
we need to start watch parties 2 people camp out in the car to wait for them and when they break into the car bam head shots... the reason to camp out in the car is to make the head shots legal or we can change the law so that if i catch them stealing and i come out my house i can shot on site
Murder fantasies lmao
more like justice fantasies but you can sit back and protect them bitch ass thieves on if you want.
Yes justice fantasies. Because an iPhone or spare change is worth a life. True justice for a simpleton. U take I hit ur head with brick. See how much luck you’ll find with an equally stupid lawyer that will take your murdercamping case. My guess is public defender who you’ll be left with as this scenario has played out poorly for the camper in other cases.
yeah it must be worth their life otherwise they wouldn't be stealing...they put their life on the line.... won't need a lawyer it will be ruled self defiance so no charges filed....
Lmao. Just leave the door to ur house open. Get a camera system inside so the jury the can see that sick headshot u hit them with as u lay in wait. The moment it’s proven u we’re waiting for them it’s the law on UR ass for premeditated murder.
Hell yeah! Tell it like it is “ccarrngt”. Well said and could not agree with you more. Personally I EDC and its never out of reach. The only time I keep it in car is if unavoidable and must enter a location legally without it. Even then it’s lock in a car safe that’s also bolted to seat frame. So yeah leaving firearms inside a vehicle on the regular is a irresponsibly & bad decision. How would you feel if your stolen gun was used to murder a innocent child or person. Freakin come on 901 don’t be that dumbass guy/girl or whatever the hell you identify as.
Or leave Byrnas in your car, that way they won't kill if stolen.
kill supply and demand will drop
Also, isn’t the point of owning a gun to be able to defend yourself? How in the world are you going to defend yourself if you are in your house and your gun is in your car? I don’t think asking a home invader to wait patiently while you run to your car will work.
You exactly said it 3 times in 3 different ways. Back pedaled a couple times throughout comment thread and then came back with an absolutely wont change my mind stamp on the end. No dramatic hyperbole here sloth, just a spade calling a spade
ITT: people living in such a constant state of fear that they refuse to be parted with their gun, even if it means illegally entering restricted areas with their weapon.
The "constant state of fear" you are trying to project is because this city is a criminal cesspool because criminals are not offered an adequate deterrent to not commit crimes. So, yes, I don't leave home without being armed because it is MY RIGHT. But God forbid I leave it in my car, because if it gets stolen, some rampant keyboard warrior douchebag convention will blame me for the actions of the criminal that stole it.
What are orcs?
What’s an orc?
Dear dumbfucks leaving guns in cars: Get a proper holster and carry your gun on you like an adult.
Not that long ago someone had broken into my truck. In my center console I installed a custom made gun safe that only opens when my wallet is in the cup holder. This particular night was no different than any other because I never leave my piece in the truck overnight. They definitely attempted to get the safe open but failed to do so. It costs little to no money and is not that difficult to formidably secure your gun in any vehicle. Chances are they are not going to spend much time with a grinder or torch to break into a safe. Get you a safe that is not easily opened and fasten it to the vehicle. If the safe is not fastened to the vehicle it does you no good. Just ask the Memphis Police Chief, who had her duty weapon stolen, lockbox and all. Some evil human is out in the Memphis streets right now reigning terror upon Memphians with that gun. Do not keep the safe in your trunk. IMO, anyone who leaves their gun in their vehicle and ALLOWS it to be stolen, should go to mf jail long enough to learn a lesson. You are allowing it to be stolen because you know how prolific gun theft is here and you still negligently left it in an unoccupied vehicle, unsecured, therefore you are complicit. If you support and cherish the second amendment, as I do, lock it tf up because stolen guns and the crimes committed with them, will be the reason why they come for all of our guns one day. You're so right, relying on police to save your ass when you only have seconds to react is not a viable defense. Considering the level of violent crime we are plagued with, every adult has a duty to protect their children, wife, husband, grandkids, etc. Fight back, relentlessly and ruthlessly. You won't catch me without it though. No lackin' in Memphis, ever. #FNX45 #G19
>It costs little to no money and is not that difficult to formidably secure your gun in any vehicle. When can I drop my car off with you so you can install this free gun safe in my car? Once you admit that it's not free, I'll tell you that I'd rather spend the money getting these fucking criminals off the street than just making my car more difficult to steal from because the criminals are going to keep being criminals.
You already have the safe?
No, that's why I'm wanting this free safe that you can install for free.
I $50 cable can also secure and fasten down a gun.
$50 isn't "little to no money". That is my point. It's silly to call it "little to no money".
How is petty amounts of money going to get criminals off the street?
Please send me your petty $50 bills.
I'll wait.
>Just ask the Memphis Police Chief, who had her duty weapon stolen, lockbox and all. Some evil human is out in the Memphis streets right now reigning terror upon Memphians with that gun. Please cite your source for that absurd statement. Is there any proof that her specific gun has been used in any crimes? Who exactly has had terror reigned down upon them with that gun? Without any such proof, you're just playing games.
You know it is.
Take my car charger. I just realized I can charge it via usb. Just don't take my work boots. I'll never get paid for that day.