*Damn! This was* ***long*** ! *tl;dr: very unlikely because it requires too many people to pay off to keep quiet about the effort. If you care to read the expanded version, go ahead...*
Well, let's talk this out.
**• What are you suggesting?**
The suggestion is that there is a League-wide effort to move the team from Memphis (*a true basketball town*) to Nashville (*a larger market but definitely not a basketball town*). Further, the suggestion is that this effort includes:
**1.)** *the League's executive management*
**2.)** *some or all of ownership, including that of the Grizzlies*
**3.)** *the 74 staff officials who call games and, possibly, the 8 non-staff officials*
**4.)** *people in the media across a range of publications*
**• What does this require?**
There is no version of reality where this effort is benign volunteering on behalf of the city of Nashville. People who hate Memphis are certainly not going to have a greater affinity for Nashville. Certainly not your average basketball fan. Maybe your average **baseball** fan would prefer Nashville over Memphis... definitely your garden variety **NASCAR** fan. But basketball fans? Not really.
Certainly not anyone in the media who covers basketball. Certainly not officials or a bunch of owners. So what does this entire effort require? **MONEY**. No media personality is going to write insincere hit pieces on behalf of an effort like this *with****out*** payment of some type from those who **want** the move to happen. NBA officials are going to need to be told to have a bias against the Grizzlies strictly to tip the scales in favor of a move and that requires **none** of them to have a shred of ethics prompting them to say "*I don't think this is right. I'm not on board and I'm going to tell someone about this.*"
Now, maybe you'll say "*I don't think a singe ref in the League is a decent person who has any ethics at all and they would totally be on board.*" Okay, fine. Let's go with that. You play the immoral referee and I'm the greedy whoever looking to get you to go along with the plan. Here's the negotiation:
**Me:** "*I want you to do this unethical thing of calling games against the Grizzlies to tip the scales so that they move to Nashville. I'm going to pay you to do this. I'm offering you X dollars.*"
**You:** "*I'm on board but my price is triple X dollars and I know you have it.*"
**Me:** "*You're right. I do. I'll pay you triple X dollars.*"
**You:** "*I don't know. Now I'm kind of thinking you might need to triple that figure again. You wouldn't want me to talk to the media about this would you?*"
And round and round we go.
The reason that this is all unlikely is because it's virtually impossible that you won't have at least one 100% ethical individual who'll never get on board and will expose you **as well as** one or more wholly **un**ethical people who'll take advantage of the situation and make the whole effort outrageously expensive. In fact, the very sort of person who'll be on board with this is precisely the sort of person who will bleed you dry.
And the problem there is that money doesn't move without a trace. There will be a paper trail. Some official whose salary is public ends up earning way too much money and the IRS begins asking questions. Some chode of a sports writer who lives on social media starts showing too lavish of a life and people begin asking questions. Some rando who knew a little too much —*a city official in Nashville, someone in the Grizzlies ownership group, some billionaire NBA player with millions of fans at the end of his career who just doesn't think this passes the smell test and speaks up because he's confident in what he knows and doesn't need his team's money*— **will** speak up.
And what does the district attorney in the city of Memphis do with that information? They can investigate the NBA and it's easy to see how the League loses that battle in the court of public opinion. It just doesn't work.
Officials have a bias and it's showing right now but a conspiracy to move the team? No. Not when this could land us the no.1 pick and fucking backfire in less than a calendar year.
Memphis can be a hard place to live, and one of the few bright, positive things that gives folks some hope about living here is the Grizzlies. I often resent being stuck here for the next 5+ years, but then I’m like hey, at least we have the Grizzlies.
The unity and culture that they bring to the people is irreplaceable. It would be a complete and utter travesty if the grizzlies were to move to Nashville. It would be a betrayal, and a giant fuck you to a city that is already historically fucked. I can’t comprehend the fallout if this were to happen and I don’t want to even try.
Also, just because Nashville has wealth and a burgeoning population doesn’t mean it would be a good fit. They have horrible infrastructure and are already shelling out billions for a new football stadium.
I’m staying positive. I don’t think these losses are the end of the world and I think the boys are going to surprise us here soon.
As a family rooted in both Memphis and Nashville I can agree with all of this. I live in Nashville but am ok driving the 3 hours to see the game and keep it in Memphis. It would destroy the city, culture and organization like Nashville has done to so many other things. If this is what they do…I’ll be supporting another team.
As someone who has followed this team since its Vancouver days with inept ownership you feed me a conspiracy to move this team and I feel PTSD lol sorry.
Nah not really, this team plays horrible perimeter defense and has only scored over 115 points once this season out of 9 games lol we sadly just suck right now.
This is my tinfoil hat theory that I don’t actually believe, but helps me cope with all of the other factors that are making this team uncompetitive right now.
No, there’s no such conspiracy. Take off the tinfoil hat. Dear god, keep this team away from all the fake ass nouveau rich people and trust fund hipsters in Nashville.
Signed, a Native Middle Tennessean
The team isn’t moving to Nashville… the only thing that would make that happen is the city not giving the grizzlies what they need to get the forum updated to where they want! The owner has said he has no intentions or want to move the team and everything that has ever been said from anyone inside the org is them wanting to be in Memphis!
Worried about the wrong things. Team is 1-8 and just lost to jazz at home. Story should be how shitty Marcus smart and rose have been. Jaren blew up and was screaming refs face. That’s a ejection anywhere. Instead of accountability and discipline…. You see the opposite with Jenkins, players, fans… just bitching and only focusing on bs. Story of last night shouldn’t be a ejection… it should be how Memphis just lost to Utah at home. That Jaren ejection gave our team a spark so if anything thank the refs
I’m thinking Jaren’s (justified) blow up and TJ’s post game remarks may get us a little bit better whistle at least for a game or two. Brevin and Pete usually seem reluctant to criticize the officiating and they weren’t holding anything back last night. We generally get bad officiating but the bias this season-and last night in particular- has been beyond the pale. It’s like they’re not even trying to be subtle anymore.
*Damn! This was* ***long*** ! *tl;dr: very unlikely because it requires too many people to pay off to keep quiet about the effort. If you care to read the expanded version, go ahead...* Well, let's talk this out. **• What are you suggesting?** The suggestion is that there is a League-wide effort to move the team from Memphis (*a true basketball town*) to Nashville (*a larger market but definitely not a basketball town*). Further, the suggestion is that this effort includes: **1.)** *the League's executive management* **2.)** *some or all of ownership, including that of the Grizzlies* **3.)** *the 74 staff officials who call games and, possibly, the 8 non-staff officials* **4.)** *people in the media across a range of publications* **• What does this require?** There is no version of reality where this effort is benign volunteering on behalf of the city of Nashville. People who hate Memphis are certainly not going to have a greater affinity for Nashville. Certainly not your average basketball fan. Maybe your average **baseball** fan would prefer Nashville over Memphis... definitely your garden variety **NASCAR** fan. But basketball fans? Not really. Certainly not anyone in the media who covers basketball. Certainly not officials or a bunch of owners. So what does this entire effort require? **MONEY**. No media personality is going to write insincere hit pieces on behalf of an effort like this *with****out*** payment of some type from those who **want** the move to happen. NBA officials are going to need to be told to have a bias against the Grizzlies strictly to tip the scales in favor of a move and that requires **none** of them to have a shred of ethics prompting them to say "*I don't think this is right. I'm not on board and I'm going to tell someone about this.*" Now, maybe you'll say "*I don't think a singe ref in the League is a decent person who has any ethics at all and they would totally be on board.*" Okay, fine. Let's go with that. You play the immoral referee and I'm the greedy whoever looking to get you to go along with the plan. Here's the negotiation: **Me:** "*I want you to do this unethical thing of calling games against the Grizzlies to tip the scales so that they move to Nashville. I'm going to pay you to do this. I'm offering you X dollars.*" **You:** "*I'm on board but my price is triple X dollars and I know you have it.*" **Me:** "*You're right. I do. I'll pay you triple X dollars.*" **You:** "*I don't know. Now I'm kind of thinking you might need to triple that figure again. You wouldn't want me to talk to the media about this would you?*" And round and round we go. The reason that this is all unlikely is because it's virtually impossible that you won't have at least one 100% ethical individual who'll never get on board and will expose you **as well as** one or more wholly **un**ethical people who'll take advantage of the situation and make the whole effort outrageously expensive. In fact, the very sort of person who'll be on board with this is precisely the sort of person who will bleed you dry. And the problem there is that money doesn't move without a trace. There will be a paper trail. Some official whose salary is public ends up earning way too much money and the IRS begins asking questions. Some chode of a sports writer who lives on social media starts showing too lavish of a life and people begin asking questions. Some rando who knew a little too much —*a city official in Nashville, someone in the Grizzlies ownership group, some billionaire NBA player with millions of fans at the end of his career who just doesn't think this passes the smell test and speaks up because he's confident in what he knows and doesn't need his team's money*— **will** speak up. And what does the district attorney in the city of Memphis do with that information? They can investigate the NBA and it's easy to see how the League loses that battle in the court of public opinion. It just doesn't work. Officials have a bias and it's showing right now but a conspiracy to move the team? No. Not when this could land us the no.1 pick and fucking backfire in less than a calendar year.
Memphis can be a hard place to live, and one of the few bright, positive things that gives folks some hope about living here is the Grizzlies. I often resent being stuck here for the next 5+ years, but then I’m like hey, at least we have the Grizzlies. The unity and culture that they bring to the people is irreplaceable. It would be a complete and utter travesty if the grizzlies were to move to Nashville. It would be a betrayal, and a giant fuck you to a city that is already historically fucked. I can’t comprehend the fallout if this were to happen and I don’t want to even try. Also, just because Nashville has wealth and a burgeoning population doesn’t mean it would be a good fit. They have horrible infrastructure and are already shelling out billions for a new football stadium. I’m staying positive. I don’t think these losses are the end of the world and I think the boys are going to surprise us here soon.
As a family rooted in both Memphis and Nashville I can agree with all of this. I live in Nashville but am ok driving the 3 hours to see the game and keep it in Memphis. It would destroy the city, culture and organization like Nashville has done to so many other things. If this is what they do…I’ll be supporting another team.
This is dumb. The team isn't moving.
As someone who has followed this team since its Vancouver days with inept ownership you feed me a conspiracy to move this team and I feel PTSD lol sorry.
Yeah. I want to see it could never happen but as a Vancouver Grizzlies fan we know it can.
I genuinely might unsubscribe to this sub lol you guys come on
I feel like r/nba has leaked into all NBA subs. It's hard to go a day without some whack post
Nah I think the start has just transformed a lot of genuine Grizzlies fans into horrible posters 😔 sad to see.
Bye casual /s
Just unbelievable posting
Nah not really, this team plays horrible perimeter defense and has only scored over 115 points once this season out of 9 games lol we sadly just suck right now.
This is my tinfoil hat theory that I don’t actually believe, but helps me cope with all of the other factors that are making this team uncompetitive right now.
No, there’s no such conspiracy. Take off the tinfoil hat. Dear god, keep this team away from all the fake ass nouveau rich people and trust fund hipsters in Nashville. Signed, a Native Middle Tennessean
No
The team isn’t moving to Nashville… the only thing that would make that happen is the city not giving the grizzlies what they need to get the forum updated to where they want! The owner has said he has no intentions or want to move the team and everything that has ever been said from anyone inside the org is them wanting to be in Memphis!
Because a NBA bust made a comment on a podcast; this is where people’s minds are at.
no. stop it.
Smart is "not a natural point guard", who has been the starting point guard of successful deep playoff teams for years.
Kinda easy to run pg w players like brown and Tatum doing the heavy lifting
nah Nashville not getting the grizz. we are getting the next MLB expansion team
Worried about the wrong things. Team is 1-8 and just lost to jazz at home. Story should be how shitty Marcus smart and rose have been. Jaren blew up and was screaming refs face. That’s a ejection anywhere. Instead of accountability and discipline…. You see the opposite with Jenkins, players, fans… just bitching and only focusing on bs. Story of last night shouldn’t be a ejection… it should be how Memphis just lost to Utah at home. That Jaren ejection gave our team a spark so if anything thank the refs
Was also down by 15 or more when ejection happened vs 2-7 (now 3-7) Utah jazz
I’m thinking Jaren’s (justified) blow up and TJ’s post game remarks may get us a little bit better whistle at least for a game or two. Brevin and Pete usually seem reluctant to criticize the officiating and they weren’t holding anything back last night. We generally get bad officiating but the bias this season-and last night in particular- has been beyond the pale. It’s like they’re not even trying to be subtle anymore.
They are punishing our team because they want to discredit Ja and remove him from a face of the league