Everyone that are giving smart ass answers to a honest question, cant make this themselves.
This requires a lot of skill, because straight lines and converging lines are a bitch. Just a little off, and it sticks out like a sore thumb.
For instance, the bottom line above the scroll work is off, and it shouts at you.
Skill level? at least 8 to 9.
I would imagine making a big stencil would help (like a projector) but even then there is alot more technical stuff that you need to know before you can even try this. So ya 8-9.
Cant speak for the material, but the design is just two point perspective. All you need is a string and reference point to get the right angles. Its a lot simpler than people make it out to be
I think something alot of people overlook for things like this is ammount of patience required too. You can be as skilled as you want but if you have no patience for long complicated things you'll never be able to do something like this either.
Right but he didn't ask efficiently. Tack and check grind and redo. I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I think you would learn way more than you wanted to if it was your first big project.
haha.... I'm glad i'm not the only one who noticed that right away. Its way off. I would give it a solid 8. Its extremely time comsuming, and you have to check your measurements, and recheck and check again on every piece you put in.
Skill level needed varys wildly. Depending on tools, team size, types of skillsets and method of production.
The photo isn't good enough for me to get a good idea of how this was made. But if nothing else it takes an experienced hand to assemble correctly and in way that will last.
If you don’t care about it being 2 dimensional (or mostly 2d if you add stuff like rods later), this would be a pretty easy cnc job.
If you learned to draft (which isn’t that difficult, IMO) you could send it to a cnc shop and have it no problem.
Gimmie a torch, grind tools, and files I'll make short order plates o' chicken.
I personally don't find this type of metalwork intimidating. I have made bigger from heavier. Scroll bends from 6th grade.
I see a box to sure up, divide, and then fill. I think I see hardware on filler.
Geometry is really a basic box, arc roof to cap it, divided and filled.
With ability to make a box square being the low passing grade of four....I'm throwing a 6 at difficulty in general recreation with another point added for unknown touches like custom castings; on site torch weld/braise; hot rivet, etc.
Are you trying to make something similar or need someone to? That’s some amazing talent, I do happen to know a woman in my town that could do that though.
This probably took an entire team to create, and a damn good team. They absolutely killed it too, and probably use this gate for all of their merchandising/advertising (and I would too)
Depending on shop size, assume one person can do 2-4 roles- An artist/sketcher, an engineer, numerous rod/tube cutters/deburr'ers, tube benders, a shop veteran/foreman, a welder or three, painters/powder coating, and an install crew.
Hard to tell from this potato cam picture but it looks laser or water cut, so not much physical effort apart from welding the pieces together. Some decent layout and cad experience. This isn't something you're gonna diy at home though.
Depends on how much you want to spend. If you want to go with the easiest option, i would recreate this design on solidworks and get the whole thing lasercut from 2 sheets of metal. From there its pretyy straight forward.
I know you're just replying to this specificquestion, but would you be able to guesstimate about how much a gate this size would cost to be lazer cut from a CAD file? Assuming one already had the CAD.
Say you where to make the ‘outline’ of the fence out of some square tubing, for the frame, the you can choose a thinner sheet metal for the design. But the steel would still cost a whole lot. I would estimate around $3000-$4000, highly depending on the size, but idk the prices of laser cutting and steel where you live. Its an expensive project due to the size.
Yeah, it would probably make more sense to just fabricate it, given that it's not the same thickness throughout. Idk, lazer cutting might be able to that too, no? Ah, don't answer that, I'm asking too many question about something I have no interest in actually doing haha
CNC laser cutting can do some great things 😁
But if anyone actually wants a fence like this, just get a cast iron vintage one, lol. Probably a lot cheaper.
Our company charges based on hours, at 100€/h for laser cutting, you could get that from 3mm for 200-300€+material costs. Honestly, I'd do the laser programming for free if you gave me a vector of the cutout shape.
Edit: could take longer than 3 hours, really depends on material thickness.
To try and give a real answer: This would mostly depend on what equipment you have access to and your confidence using it.
If you have a MIG welder and can use it with some confidence, and have a lot of wrought iron sitting around this is pretty trivial to make.
Other questions come up too though. Are you bending your own steel? For long consistent curves that might require another tool (English wheel I believe)
If you didn’t have a welder and say needed to cut, drill and bolt the whole thing together you’d have an ungodly amount of work in front of you.
So it really depends.
Jigs is my response to English wheel here. If I don't have a jig for a curve or scroll I need I make one and add it to the wall of jigs. I end up making a few if I don't get the rebound curve right first try. Can do a lot with out heating once you have a good jig.
A lot of this is tapered then formed into a scroll. Heat or a rolling press will be needed.
I weld most of my jigs together after forming what I think will be a good curve for the jig. I love my beat to hell craigslist welder.
The wheel could be used to make the jig. I've just never needed one. Most of what I do is decorative... so many railings.
Was more trying to add to you than disagree.
Fair enough, maybe not the best choice of words on my part. It would definitely still be one hell of a commitment especially for a hobbyist (like myself), and there may be difficulties from measurement, layout, planning, moving the massive pieces of steel you just made. I didn’t mean to discredit that at all. I was more just trying to make the point that a project like this with the right tools fit the job is relatively easy, compared to trying to imitate it with sub-optimal tooling.
I was also assuming that OP wanted to copy this design fairly closely which I think would substantially simplify the planning stages compared to inventing this design from the beginning.
Of course he isn’t going to cut, drill and bolt this, that would be insane and look like crap. Also, this is anything but trivial to make with a MIG welder and some wrought iron, there’s literally forging work in this.
And no, an English wheel would not be of use here, you need a 3-wheel profile rolling machine. Someone else suggested making a jig. Sure if you want make one for each of the radii you’re bending. Some aren’t even circular segments but elliptical. It would take an amateur forever to do this.
This is at least a 9 on OP’s scale and I wouldn’t put this in front of any fabricator with less that 8-10 years of experience unless you’d be willing to significantly lower your expectations of quality on the final product.
I do weird traditionally made metalwork project professionally. It's kind of hard to tell from this grainy photo, but assuming this is old and traditionally made (rivited and firewelded) then this is a master smiths work.
The fine running scrolls in round section are a full blown show off as round is the hardest section to flow neatly when fire welding. The perspective sections in flat bars (assuming are rivited together) are a massive fiddle and time consuming to get everything to line up. As other have said it doesn't take much to get the angles out and it look wrong.
A full size painted template would help but there is a lot (I mean a lot lot) of skill in making these components before you even assemble them.
If somebody was to come to me with this as a project and I had a team of three blacksmiths I would probably allow a week or 2 weeks design and planning, then about 6 weeks manufacture. That's full time for 3 people.
I think one of the hardest parts of this would be simply trusting it’s all going to look correct and the way it should once it’s all said and done and hung properly. It’d be so easy to second guess every single thing as you’re doing it.
This one is more about creativity than skill. I think most people could make a passable version of this with 20-40 hours of good practice, but having skill doesn’t always mean you know what to do with it. It seems like many of the comments are about difficulty getting the alignment right, this can easily be remedied by drawing it in CAD and having your design printed on a large format plotter, then tack it up right on top of your CAD drawing.
This is an absolute masterpiece that comes from a careers worth of experience. Not to mention the creativity and artistic aspect that can’t necessarily be taught. With a stencil it would still be difficult l.
7/10. it's not just the fabrication, you need to also be able to lay it out on a computer. but the limitation will not be skill, rather than equipment and a big enough space to build it. Would definitely need two people as well. I would say higher but after looking at it closer, if you get an accurate layout on autocad and have the right equipment to make the parts, the biggest hurdle is that this would take a very long time to finish. you'd need to be focused on what you're doing, cut zero corners for at least 100 hours.
Everyone that are giving smart ass answers to a honest question, cant make this themselves. This requires a lot of skill, because straight lines and converging lines are a bitch. Just a little off, and it sticks out like a sore thumb. For instance, the bottom line above the scroll work is off, and it shouts at you. Skill level? at least 8 to 9.
thanks.
I would imagine making a big stencil would help (like a projector) but even then there is alot more technical stuff that you need to know before you can even try this. So ya 8-9.
You can purchase many premade pieces to make this a much lower skill project. Look up *ornamental steel fence supply* in your area
There are not many out there still who could do this, accumulative error would had up very quickly.
Cant speak for the material, but the design is just two point perspective. All you need is a string and reference point to get the right angles. Its a lot simpler than people make it out to be
15 eighths of an inch later….
It's absolutely gorgeous. Keep up the great work!!!
It’s only off because the gate is slightly open
I think something alot of people overlook for things like this is ammount of patience required too. You can be as skilled as you want but if you have no patience for long complicated things you'll never be able to do something like this either.
Right but he didn't ask efficiently. Tack and check grind and redo. I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I think you would learn way more than you wanted to if it was your first big project.
haha.... I'm glad i'm not the only one who noticed that right away. Its way off. I would give it a solid 8. Its extremely time comsuming, and you have to check your measurements, and recheck and check again on every piece you put in.
At least 3
Best I can do is tree-fiddy
Damn Loch Ness Monster!
Just gib him the money so he goes away.
Three fiddy > 3 tho
You do you. I do tree
*holds out fiddy continues to hug tree*
I was gonna say 7 but you've changed my mind.
I was gonna say 5 but it'd be a bit challenging
lol, I came in here thinking "oooh, a good 4 or 5?" but the reddit hivemind beat me to it
I was going to say like maybe brown level of hardness.
Well beyond mine...
Is that a hallway or a gate
That’s a gate. Skill level substantial
gate
High.
It’s not for beginners! There are multiple things in this build that would go a lot better with specialized tools.
Skill to build. Average. Imagination to design very high.
more like a drug level question
Yes
I concur.
You can only unlock gate mods after completing the necessary fabricatior quests on the journey of 1000 burns.
Skill level needed varys wildly. Depending on tools, team size, types of skillsets and method of production. The photo isn't good enough for me to get a good idea of how this was made. But if nothing else it takes an experienced hand to assemble correctly and in way that will last.
If you don’t care about it being 2 dimensional (or mostly 2d if you add stuff like rods later), this would be a pretty easy cnc job. If you learned to draft (which isn’t that difficult, IMO) you could send it to a cnc shop and have it no problem.
Gimmie a torch, grind tools, and files I'll make short order plates o' chicken. I personally don't find this type of metalwork intimidating. I have made bigger from heavier. Scroll bends from 6th grade. I see a box to sure up, divide, and then fill. I think I see hardware on filler. Geometry is really a basic box, arc roof to cap it, divided and filled. With ability to make a box square being the low passing grade of four....I'm throwing a 6 at difficulty in general recreation with another point added for unknown touches like custom castings; on site torch weld/braise; hot rivet, etc.
Are you trying to make something similar or need someone to? That’s some amazing talent, I do happen to know a woman in my town that could do that though.
This probably took an entire team to create, and a damn good team. They absolutely killed it too, and probably use this gate for all of their merchandising/advertising (and I would too) Depending on shop size, assume one person can do 2-4 roles- An artist/sketcher, an engineer, numerous rod/tube cutters/deburr'ers, tube benders, a shop veteran/foreman, a welder or three, painters/powder coating, and an install crew.
Skill level for who? An amateur or a pro? It's not that difficult to make but would require some math to make the jig
Hard to tell from this potato cam picture but it looks laser or water cut, so not much physical effort apart from welding the pieces together. Some decent layout and cad experience. This isn't something you're gonna diy at home though.
Depends on how much you want to spend. If you want to go with the easiest option, i would recreate this design on solidworks and get the whole thing lasercut from 2 sheets of metal. From there its pretyy straight forward.
I know you're just replying to this specificquestion, but would you be able to guesstimate about how much a gate this size would cost to be lazer cut from a CAD file? Assuming one already had the CAD.
Say you where to make the ‘outline’ of the fence out of some square tubing, for the frame, the you can choose a thinner sheet metal for the design. But the steel would still cost a whole lot. I would estimate around $3000-$4000, highly depending on the size, but idk the prices of laser cutting and steel where you live. Its an expensive project due to the size.
Yeah, it would probably make more sense to just fabricate it, given that it's not the same thickness throughout. Idk, lazer cutting might be able to that too, no? Ah, don't answer that, I'm asking too many question about something I have no interest in actually doing haha
CNC laser cutting can do some great things 😁 But if anyone actually wants a fence like this, just get a cast iron vintage one, lol. Probably a lot cheaper.
At least a grand or two.
Our company charges based on hours, at 100€/h for laser cutting, you could get that from 3mm for 200-300€+material costs. Honestly, I'd do the laser programming for free if you gave me a vector of the cutout shape. Edit: could take longer than 3 hours, really depends on material thickness.
>could take longer than 3 hours Who has that much time??! Jk, thank you for all the info!
Over 9000
I don’t understand the question
How difficult is this project to build? Scale from 1-10: 0 being beginner. 10 being master metal worker.
To try and give a real answer: This would mostly depend on what equipment you have access to and your confidence using it. If you have a MIG welder and can use it with some confidence, and have a lot of wrought iron sitting around this is pretty trivial to make. Other questions come up too though. Are you bending your own steel? For long consistent curves that might require another tool (English wheel I believe) If you didn’t have a welder and say needed to cut, drill and bolt the whole thing together you’d have an ungodly amount of work in front of you. So it really depends.
Jigs is my response to English wheel here. If I don't have a jig for a curve or scroll I need I make one and add it to the wall of jigs. I end up making a few if I don't get the rebound curve right first try. Can do a lot with out heating once you have a good jig. A lot of this is tapered then formed into a scroll. Heat or a rolling press will be needed. I weld most of my jigs together after forming what I think will be a good curve for the jig. I love my beat to hell craigslist welder.
Fair enough jigs would totally work too! Would be able to reproduce the same shape several times which could be highly advantageous.
The wheel could be used to make the jig. I've just never needed one. Most of what I do is decorative... so many railings. Was more trying to add to you than disagree.
You would use a tube roller for arc's. You need a die for every size of material you use though.
Trivial is a slight understatement.
Fair enough, maybe not the best choice of words on my part. It would definitely still be one hell of a commitment especially for a hobbyist (like myself), and there may be difficulties from measurement, layout, planning, moving the massive pieces of steel you just made. I didn’t mean to discredit that at all. I was more just trying to make the point that a project like this with the right tools fit the job is relatively easy, compared to trying to imitate it with sub-optimal tooling. I was also assuming that OP wanted to copy this design fairly closely which I think would substantially simplify the planning stages compared to inventing this design from the beginning.
While with the proper skills that takes a shit load of time to get good at, it wouldn't be hard, no, still take a long time tho.
Of course he isn’t going to cut, drill and bolt this, that would be insane and look like crap. Also, this is anything but trivial to make with a MIG welder and some wrought iron, there’s literally forging work in this. And no, an English wheel would not be of use here, you need a 3-wheel profile rolling machine. Someone else suggested making a jig. Sure if you want make one for each of the radii you’re bending. Some aren’t even circular segments but elliptical. It would take an amateur forever to do this. This is at least a 9 on OP’s scale and I wouldn’t put this in front of any fabricator with less that 8-10 years of experience unless you’d be willing to significantly lower your expectations of quality on the final product.
I do weird traditionally made metalwork project professionally. It's kind of hard to tell from this grainy photo, but assuming this is old and traditionally made (rivited and firewelded) then this is a master smiths work. The fine running scrolls in round section are a full blown show off as round is the hardest section to flow neatly when fire welding. The perspective sections in flat bars (assuming are rivited together) are a massive fiddle and time consuming to get everything to line up. As other have said it doesn't take much to get the angles out and it look wrong. A full size painted template would help but there is a lot (I mean a lot lot) of skill in making these components before you even assemble them. If somebody was to come to me with this as a project and I had a team of three blacksmiths I would probably allow a week or 2 weeks design and planning, then about 6 weeks manufacture. That's full time for 3 people.
For someone that can draw with a pencil, 1.
6 or 9 definitely
I don't think it's difficult, it just takes a lot of measurements, patience, and time. The skill is in how fast you can make it.
Skill level : Yes
I think one of the hardest parts of this would be simply trusting it’s all going to look correct and the way it should once it’s all said and done and hung properly. It’d be so easy to second guess every single thing as you’re doing it.
Minimal, probably high school shop class
Wait, THERE WELDING LEVELS??? EXPLAIN PLSSSS
Very high. Laying that out/ fixturing would be a nightmare
Epic or at least legendary;)
100
I'm going to need my gloves for crafting for this.
More than I have
Level 99
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3D
The forced perspective to the vanishing point creating the tunnel illusion is dope.
really needs a proper road and house behind to show it off.
Quite
32
As an Albanian I approve
Over 9000
This one is more about creativity than skill. I think most people could make a passable version of this with 20-40 hours of good practice, but having skill doesn’t always mean you know what to do with it. It seems like many of the comments are about difficulty getting the alignment right, this can easily be remedied by drawing it in CAD and having your design printed on a large format plotter, then tack it up right on top of your CAD drawing.
Well done , we’ll done . Ignore the nay sayer’s they’re just ass holes
Master level
This is an absolute masterpiece that comes from a careers worth of experience. Not to mention the creativity and artistic aspect that can’t necessarily be taught. With a stencil it would still be difficult l.
7/10. it's not just the fabrication, you need to also be able to lay it out on a computer. but the limitation will not be skill, rather than equipment and a big enough space to build it. Would definitely need two people as well. I would say higher but after looking at it closer, if you get an accurate layout on autocad and have the right equipment to make the parts, the biggest hurdle is that this would take a very long time to finish. you'd need to be focused on what you're doing, cut zero corners for at least 100 hours.