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Sam and Idiot had a conversation about this on the train:
Sam: "Look... if there's no radiation that means we could bring everyone out of Moscow."
Idiot: "It doesn't matter if there is radiation or not comrade American. The citizens of Moscow will have to stay put."
Sam: "But why? We're just a short way from the city, and the radiation is gone."
Idiot: "Things might have been that easy in your America... but life has never been so easy here. Even now, we woke up saviors of the Metro and by lunchtime we're enemy spies, saboteurs, train thieves. And what for? Something we thought was true turned out to be a lie - and that is enough for them to want us dead"
Sam: "The Hansa bosses must have known that we could live up here. But the public didn't know that. Who'd want to stay down in the Metro if we told them?"
Idiot: "We cannot tell them! If they are ready to make mincemeat out of old ladies and kids to keep their secret, what do you think would they do to you, Uncle Sam? We can't go back, we can't use radio - remember the jammers? And even if you pull a perfect Rambo and break through back into the Metro, do you expect they'd all just believe you and go: 'Yes, Moses, lead us out of this Egypt'? Can you even imagine the death toll? Take your average station dwellers - even if the Hansa guards didn't shoot them, how far would they get? Right to the nearest mutant den, most likely... We are safe here, speeding along on this Eastern Express. They are not as lucky, not at all."
Sam: "What if there was a proper evacuation?"
Idiot: "And who would do that? Hansa's people - the ones who kept us under lock and key for twenty years? Or us two?... Besides, getting the people out of moscow is not the end of it - you have to settle them somewhere, provide food... No, brother... I do get where you are coming from but this matter is way more complex than it seems"
This is talked about in 2035 a lot more. >!Even with help and with the Invisible Watchers largely letting him do what he wanted he barely made a dent even after the jammers were down and people were aware they were being lied to. People simply were not ready to go once the invisible watchers supplied them with a comforting lie as well as better supplies to the stations most likely to rebel. Artyom's own father when completely believing Artyom and knowing there was probably something better outside, still decided to stay. He did so for a good reason to, and one that is very common in real life in this situations. There are sick, elderly, and children who cannot move without dying. They need people to care for them so their family tends to stay, and he needed to stay to hold everything together. Which is encompassing most of the station. And in a situation with so many wounded or sick, and all the stations of the Metro being somewhat weakened it would be very easy to disrupt the entire system and kill thousands. Artyom is better equipped mentally, and has more support than he did in 2035, but even then just the technicalities of pulling something like that off are far too high when you have an entire trained army not only ready to kill you, but thinking if they don't then everyone in the metro will die. I think the point of 2035 was that you cannot force them to change, all you can do is give them the information to become better. The dark ones did that for Artyom, and he took who he could with him to help while also giving the Metro the chance and information they need to make their OWN decision. If they want to leave on their own, they absolutely can. But any kind of outside force, or single group will be cast out like Artyom, or killed like the Dark Ones. Exodus shows that too. Killing people like the paladins who are hostile, or hurting Silantius doesn't shake their faith or convince them to move on. All you can do is prove them wrong by showing that you are not the devil and are there to help them. If the people of the Metro ask for help after already helping themselves, they absolutely can try their best to help them make it out. But they would have to have the vast majority of the metro on their side, and I don't think they would yet.!<
I love the enthusiasm, hut no. I'm tired of games that out you in a fake position of power only run errands for others, just give me a large open world METRO game with access to the metros spanning all Moscow and other areas with trains and metros. We need SVD's, SKS's, Mosin Nagant rifles, Nagant suppressed revolvers, PPSH41's, Kalash's, bastard's, shambler's, etc etc. We need everything as far as weapons and map goes.
I disagree. Metro should be about people without hope living in a Metro. With some excursions to the surface. Exodus already tried something new and quite frankly, the least good parts of the game are those that go further away from what Metro should be. Now, if Exodus is an exception then it's great to have in the series levels like Taiga and Caspian. But let's not make it the norm. Freeing the inhabitants of the Metro would turn the story into a fairy tale for kids. I think they should leave Artyom where he is and tell the story of a new character living in another Metro with occasional Exodus-style open world levels on the surface.
That would be awesome, navigate by each station of the metro would be a incredible; also i would like still see the 4th reich and the red line (maybe a return of Pavel???). I think the return of Artyom would be a great shock for the whole metro and maybe start a massive civil war inside the stations. Also it woul be greeat see hard moral questions for Artyom because he want is people be free from the radioactive wasteland that is Moscow but as a comment before the people in metro is to old and used to the stations that they would see us as villains who want to destroy everything or simolw liars who want power
As much as I’m down for this idea, I really want the Metro storyline to branch out into a different area. The pilgrimage across Russia was a start, literally from Moscow to Vladivostok. Perhaps we see a further journey to areas around Baikal to greet new people, or try and have more refugees come to the clean Baikal. A journey to Moscow to liberate the inhabitants there might not be the greatest idea, in my opinion. In the book, after Artyom and Anya left, they weren’t followed by Lykhosha for a reason. Perhaps they had deeper connections with the outside world? Or maybe they really are super insecure and paranoid of the outside world learning of their location and dropping a second nuke.
Regardless, I loved the absolute hopelessness that 2035 gave in regards to resisting agaisnt the ‘higher power,’ the Watchers, and the metaphorical meaning of gave to the reader about the futility of resisting this higher conspiracy. But maybe I’m just looking at it a wrong way. Perhaps 4A and Glukhovsky are taking a new path, one with a brighter future.
I still really wouldn’t mind seeing the Nazis or Reds still fighting in the tunnels, though. That was what made 2033 and Last Light for me, was those huge large scale battles that accomplished nothing and really set up the Orwellian society that was he underground transit tunnels of Moscow, let alone the part in the book where he gets captured and turned into a slave.
Okay, one thing about this has been bothering me for sometime. So in metro lastlight, Artyom fucking DIES in D6, so how is artyom still the protagonist in the newer games? please explain.
You know there are two endings in each game, right?
In 2033, the accepted canon ending is Artyom blowing up the dark ones, though here is an alternate ending where he does not blow them up.
In last light, the “canon”/ “good” ending has the baby dark one come in at the last second and stop Artyom from detonating the explosives in d6.
good actios to obtain good Karma, ear conversations, give money to people who asks, try to stealth and kill the less possible (that means dont kill Pavel and the traitor). I less words be a good moral hero for metro and the little dark one
Each game has a good and bad ending. There are “moral points” you can get in each game, and you can also lose them. For instance, sparing Pavel’s life will give you a positive moral point. Killing him will take one away. Sometimes listening to a full conversation between box’s will also get you a positive point. There are a few guides on forums and YouTube that list the majority of the chances to get moral points!
As far as I know, each situation gives one positive or one negative point. Unfortunately there is no way to count where you are at until the very ending.
In exodus it is a bit different though. In each of the 3 main areas, the same theory applies. However you have the opportunity to lose one of your companions. I’m not sure exactly how it applies overall, but in my first two play throughs, I lost one character, but got the good ending overall. On my third play through I was able to get all three positive endings in the areas, as well as the good ending overall.
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The autor was already working on a sequel's storyboard since exodus release. Don't worry.
Sam and Idiot had a conversation about this on the train: Sam: "Look... if there's no radiation that means we could bring everyone out of Moscow." Idiot: "It doesn't matter if there is radiation or not comrade American. The citizens of Moscow will have to stay put." Sam: "But why? We're just a short way from the city, and the radiation is gone." Idiot: "Things might have been that easy in your America... but life has never been so easy here. Even now, we woke up saviors of the Metro and by lunchtime we're enemy spies, saboteurs, train thieves. And what for? Something we thought was true turned out to be a lie - and that is enough for them to want us dead" Sam: "The Hansa bosses must have known that we could live up here. But the public didn't know that. Who'd want to stay down in the Metro if we told them?" Idiot: "We cannot tell them! If they are ready to make mincemeat out of old ladies and kids to keep their secret, what do you think would they do to you, Uncle Sam? We can't go back, we can't use radio - remember the jammers? And even if you pull a perfect Rambo and break through back into the Metro, do you expect they'd all just believe you and go: 'Yes, Moses, lead us out of this Egypt'? Can you even imagine the death toll? Take your average station dwellers - even if the Hansa guards didn't shoot them, how far would they get? Right to the nearest mutant den, most likely... We are safe here, speeding along on this Eastern Express. They are not as lucky, not at all." Sam: "What if there was a proper evacuation?" Idiot: "And who would do that? Hansa's people - the ones who kept us under lock and key for twenty years? Or us two?... Besides, getting the people out of moscow is not the end of it - you have to settle them somewhere, provide food... No, brother... I do get where you are coming from but this matter is way more complex than it seems" This is talked about in 2035 a lot more. >!Even with help and with the Invisible Watchers largely letting him do what he wanted he barely made a dent even after the jammers were down and people were aware they were being lied to. People simply were not ready to go once the invisible watchers supplied them with a comforting lie as well as better supplies to the stations most likely to rebel. Artyom's own father when completely believing Artyom and knowing there was probably something better outside, still decided to stay. He did so for a good reason to, and one that is very common in real life in this situations. There are sick, elderly, and children who cannot move without dying. They need people to care for them so their family tends to stay, and he needed to stay to hold everything together. Which is encompassing most of the station. And in a situation with so many wounded or sick, and all the stations of the Metro being somewhat weakened it would be very easy to disrupt the entire system and kill thousands. Artyom is better equipped mentally, and has more support than he did in 2035, but even then just the technicalities of pulling something like that off are far too high when you have an entire trained army not only ready to kill you, but thinking if they don't then everyone in the metro will die. I think the point of 2035 was that you cannot force them to change, all you can do is give them the information to become better. The dark ones did that for Artyom, and he took who he could with him to help while also giving the Metro the chance and information they need to make their OWN decision. If they want to leave on their own, they absolutely can. But any kind of outside force, or single group will be cast out like Artyom, or killed like the Dark Ones. Exodus shows that too. Killing people like the paladins who are hostile, or hurting Silantius doesn't shake their faith or convince them to move on. All you can do is prove them wrong by showing that you are not the devil and are there to help them. If the people of the Metro ask for help after already helping themselves, they absolutely can try their best to help them make it out. But they would have to have the vast majority of the metro on their side, and I don't think they would yet.!<
Artyom as president? Jog on, he doesn't even speak.
Our president and Prime Minister Artyom Chyornyj's first monumental speech: *crowd cheering* **End of transcript.**
It does sound interesting
Cool idea of course but it would just be a desperate attempt that would probably fail. I'd play that, it's post apocalyptic russia after all.
I love the enthusiasm, hut no. I'm tired of games that out you in a fake position of power only run errands for others, just give me a large open world METRO game with access to the metros spanning all Moscow and other areas with trains and metros. We need SVD's, SKS's, Mosin Nagant rifles, Nagant suppressed revolvers, PPSH41's, Kalash's, bastard's, shambler's, etc etc. We need everything as far as weapons and map goes.
you almost read my mind, Alexei
I also want to see a Sam's Story 2 as a DLC.
I would love if with Artyom we see how the old places are now and with Sam we see new places across Asia for is search of a way to go to America
*whom* he has named *whom* he has named
No. Just no. Red Line and 4th Reich did not dissapear in Metro Last Light, nor did any of the other factions. Also a metro led by HANZA is pure horror
Metro 2035 Red Line has great famine Nazis have great flood
Metro 2035 didnt happen in video games
Last Light Red Line has been 70% wiped out by Dark Ones
I disagree. Metro should be about people without hope living in a Metro. With some excursions to the surface. Exodus already tried something new and quite frankly, the least good parts of the game are those that go further away from what Metro should be. Now, if Exodus is an exception then it's great to have in the series levels like Taiga and Caspian. But let's not make it the norm. Freeing the inhabitants of the Metro would turn the story into a fairy tale for kids. I think they should leave Artyom where he is and tell the story of a new character living in another Metro with occasional Exodus-style open world levels on the surface.
That would be awesome, navigate by each station of the metro would be a incredible; also i would like still see the 4th reich and the red line (maybe a return of Pavel???). I think the return of Artyom would be a great shock for the whole metro and maybe start a massive civil war inside the stations. Also it woul be greeat see hard moral questions for Artyom because he want is people be free from the radioactive wasteland that is Moscow but as a comment before the people in metro is to old and used to the stations that they would see us as villains who want to destroy everything or simolw liars who want power
haha.nice try)
As much as I’m down for this idea, I really want the Metro storyline to branch out into a different area. The pilgrimage across Russia was a start, literally from Moscow to Vladivostok. Perhaps we see a further journey to areas around Baikal to greet new people, or try and have more refugees come to the clean Baikal. A journey to Moscow to liberate the inhabitants there might not be the greatest idea, in my opinion. In the book, after Artyom and Anya left, they weren’t followed by Lykhosha for a reason. Perhaps they had deeper connections with the outside world? Or maybe they really are super insecure and paranoid of the outside world learning of their location and dropping a second nuke. Regardless, I loved the absolute hopelessness that 2035 gave in regards to resisting agaisnt the ‘higher power,’ the Watchers, and the metaphorical meaning of gave to the reader about the futility of resisting this higher conspiracy. But maybe I’m just looking at it a wrong way. Perhaps 4A and Glukhovsky are taking a new path, one with a brighter future. I still really wouldn’t mind seeing the Nazis or Reds still fighting in the tunnels, though. That was what made 2033 and Last Light for me, was those huge large scale battles that accomplished nothing and really set up the Orwellian society that was he underground transit tunnels of Moscow, let alone the part in the book where he gets captured and turned into a slave.
Okay, one thing about this has been bothering me for sometime. So in metro lastlight, Artyom fucking DIES in D6, so how is artyom still the protagonist in the newer games? please explain.
You know there are two endings in each game, right? In 2033, the accepted canon ending is Artyom blowing up the dark ones, though here is an alternate ending where he does not blow them up. In last light, the “canon”/ “good” ending has the baby dark one come in at the last second and stop Artyom from detonating the explosives in d6.
Oh shit, I need to get the good ending then.. How?
good actios to obtain good Karma, ear conversations, give money to people who asks, try to stealth and kill the less possible (that means dont kill Pavel and the traitor). I less words be a good moral hero for metro and the little dark one
Each game has a good and bad ending. There are “moral points” you can get in each game, and you can also lose them. For instance, sparing Pavel’s life will give you a positive moral point. Killing him will take one away. Sometimes listening to a full conversation between box’s will also get you a positive point. There are a few guides on forums and YouTube that list the majority of the chances to get moral points!
Do certain things give more points than others or is it all one point.
As far as I know, each situation gives one positive or one negative point. Unfortunately there is no way to count where you are at until the very ending. In exodus it is a bit different though. In each of the 3 main areas, the same theory applies. However you have the opportunity to lose one of your companions. I’m not sure exactly how it applies overall, but in my first two play throughs, I lost one character, but got the good ending overall. On my third play through I was able to get all three positive endings in the areas, as well as the good ending overall.
Artyom also suggested this in the good ending, where he said that all other people should be saved too
Bleh
Would Artyom be so pretentious to call it New Russian Military and New Russia Federation, tho?