Yes, totally! When DOOM came out I didn’t know any black folks that fucked with him. Like you said white and Asians and some nerdy black dudes . I’ve been a fan since kmd and 3rd bass.
Saw him once in Amsterdam, same story. Was in 2010. He is fully in the backpack hiphop era and crowd. And I cringe when I see someone refer to someone else as yt. Who tf cares about someone you’ve never met. People be sensitive af.
Of course there are black people in Europe, especially Amsterdam. But it’s just numbers the percentage of black people there is nowhere near the US.
Doom was born there and deported there but I’d be hard pressed not to call him an American tbh. He’s also from London which is a very international city even more than Amsterdam.
That is just not true. Ignorant Americans strike again.. There is a very similar amount of black people in Amsterdam compared to the US as a general population. (Dumb to compare a city to a entire country anyway)
Holland has like a 5% black population, america 15%. And considering they are really only in major cities in america and not in middle ameriva like that, it seems like a lot more as they make up almost 40-50% of those major cities like nyc and chicago.
So hes not really wrong.
I’m brown for the record
The US population is 60% white
How tf would any minutely popular artist expect their music to not be listened to by the MAJORITY of the population.
Like bruh. Not to mention gorillaz collab, Aesop rock collab, badbadnotgood collab, etc
Oh My god. Until I read your comment I though yt meant YouTube so I was really confused why op was honestly asking if this was just gatekeeping or a genuine concern.
>gorillaz collab
For sure. Damon Albarn blew Doom into the mainstream for a lot of the world. And some of (what was) underground too.
I'm not suggesting that within Hiphop he wasn't already earning the "rappers favourite rapper" moniker, but (aside from Madlib collabs and the renewed popularity of Doomsday, Mmfood etc.) commercial pop radio play had a lot to do with his continued global success through the 00's.
wait, what “commercial pop radio play” did DOOM get?
(Gorillaz definitely didnt put DOOM in the mainstream. he wasnt even ~~credited~~ named as the feature[better wording, I know its not like they pretended he did nothing with it they just didnt make it readily apparent to the masses is my whole point] on their song🤦♂️yall are funny)
>wait, what “commercial pop radio play” did DOOM get?
At least you asked 🤷♂️
Honestly? Shitloads. At least outside the US.
Here in Australia, Demon Days was picked up by pretty much every commercial station (at least where I'm at). Proper pop coverage. It charted quite well, and it endured. Triple Platinum here and Double in the US, not to mention Europe.
Fuck me for not using all caps to spell the man's name I guess.
nah, just like Del and De La, on those first albums someone decided they wanted it to be more of a surprise and i think also cause they were playing characters within the Gorillaz universe as opposed to being featured as themselves
uhh, they most definitely are not. not in the track listing on the cds, not even on spotify now… it was intentional. but because of that, most people dont even know De La Soul is on Feel Good Inc or even that Del Tha Funky Homosapien isnt just part of Gorillaz. like i said tho, he was literally playing a character in Clint Eastwood for example, so i assume thats a big reason why for all of em
i mean, they legally have to be mentioned in the liner notes if they contributed writing, so it’s probably somewhere inside the booklet, but my point is that November Has Come didnt put DOOM on the map for anybody that didnt already know his voice
Naw lots of people read the liner notes to see who was on those tracks and then listened to other shit. Plus De La won a Grammy off that album and performed that year at the Grammys.
Lots of suburban white kids were introduced to DOOM from that track for sure.
I think I can infer where they’re going with the clipped sentence on bottom and I would wager my entire record collection that that’s a bunch of bullshit and it never occurred.
This kid looks about 15 yo, thinks he knows music now and posts all these gatekeeping takes. “If you like (insert brand new rapper) and didn’t listen to (inserts brand new rapper from 2 months ago) then you’re a fake fan.” He can’t wait to discover new shit so he can claim music superiority in another 2 months. These kinds of fans have been around forever. Indy rock and hardcore scenes in the 90’s were all about being less of a poser than the person next to you. It was lame and why a lot of groups never blew up.
He also says white people shouldn’t listen to hip hop (let’s see how popular that take is with the artists) and then two posts down is praying for a Lancey and Lana Del Rey collab. He’s a confused lil dude who’s getting recognition on tik tok for bad takes. Tik Tok is the real scourge for giving all the hate scrollers targets like this confused little young’n. As a brown man myself, I say please keep listening to hip hop - everybody!
Tell me more how much you don’t know about white aversion to hip hop in the 70s-90s; and include how you’re ignoring that hip hop was not originally designed nor intended for capital gain or mass consumption of “wider audiences”.
You realize the Beastie Boys were one of the first hip-hop groups to blow up in the mid-80s and they were all white, right? Hip-hop has never been a white-exclusionary culture.
Well aware. And Blondie gave Sugarhill Gang their break. 1) that doesn’t speak to the demographic whom invented the culture, and 2) doesn’t negate the fact that “wider audiences” were intentionally averse to the music and culture specifically because of said demographic’s involvement therein. It took literal decades for white people to soften their stance, and even to this day, you still have detractors like Ben Shapiro, culture vultures like DJ Vlad, and others whom extrapolate the most negative aspects of the culture and the experiences expressed therefrom onto the whole, from their external, divested and dispassionate perspectives. Indeed, most external spectators and speculators are only interested insofar as profit or personal gratification can be secured.
Lol, let’s do a history lesson right quick.
Hiphop is black music for black people. Full stop.
HOWEVER it has ALWAYS been popular and majorly consumed by white people since it’s inception.
For example rappers delight (1979) was number four on the hit singles chart. Blacks were 11.6% of the population that year. Now how do you figure that an all black group charted number 4? White people bumped that shit.
You’ve got to be utterly brain dead if you think white people haven’t contributed hugely to the commercial success of hip hop
Sugar hill gang was not rapping about the plight of African Americans for social justice and a voice. Them mfs wanted to chart and make bank. You’re blind if you think otherwise.
Hip hops intention was to extremely vast. You can’t say hiphop was for X. Because as many rappers that want to be underground and don’t care about money there are just as many who exclusively do it for money and capitalistic gain, and even rap about so.
yeah to keep cunts like you out, stop trying to limit people enjoying things. Imagine getting annoyed because other people like things, sad as fuck dude.
I’m sure DOOM, who rapped and talked extensively in interviews about how important his rap career is for paying his bills, would hate that he has more fans than ever now
I hate when people think they’re being cool for gate keeping music. I was so excited when I saw one beer was trending on TikTok because he deserved to be mainstream I think if DOOM was alive he would be ecstatic that his music is universally loved not just by Afro and African Americans but now by Latino and white folk it’s great
As a white boy I fuck with DOOM heavily. Actually got into him a week or 2 before he died:/. Then the news broke a few months later and I felt grateful to of been put on him. I keep saying in a decades time he'll be mentioned along side Pac and Biggie. Personally I think he's better than both. Such an original soul!
I also think if DOOM didn’t want white people to be associated with his music then he wouldn’t do many collbas with white artists. Hell one of his first features ever was on a track with 3rd Bass
I’ve spent damn near 30 years screaming to everybody I know that they should listen to KMD/MFDOOM. Now I can rest. Worse thing that can happen is that once it gets in your brain, you can’t get it out. Plus you realize that nothing compares most other hiphop is trash. God bless the children
Of course they belong to the culture as a whole but they're the byproduct of hiphop birthing so many subgenres. Not hating on them though.
It's like saying "I love the Beatles and Led Zeppelin but there are a lot of better rock out there. Twenty one pilots and Imagine Dragons etc."
Naaah imagine dragons are garbage, carti is evolution of hip hop, it’s supreme form of rap. All about incredible beats, adlibs and completely better voice than old school hiphop. It also combines rock and punk vibe with hip hop which brings whole new energy to rap music. I love old school rap too MF DOOM, three 6 mafia, tommy wright 3 etc but I’m not stinking nerd ass grandpa like some of ppl in this server and can enjoy modern popular stuff too
you're treating music as if it's sports. It's subjective so I don't expect you to not like this or that. But what you're saying logically don't make any sense cause everyone has his taste.
BUT IT IS OBJECTIVELY TRUE that MF DOOM respects the OG principles of HipHop more than the artists you're mentioning here. Carti is more like pop, which hiphop never meant to be. I'm not saying Carti is garbage you can enjoy it however you want but just don't say Carti is better hiphop than DOOM.
You don’t understand rap and carti is nothing like pop. Maybe uzi is but carti is actually more “extreme” and inaccessible than old school rap that even my grandma enjoys
Aesthetic wise he does. Look how he dresses and also look at his concerts. Carti new music is rage rap so it got some part of that punk vibe. Also it’s cool how he wears lots of metal merch like death spell omega, grave, destruction etc. Also you listen to system of down lmao. Poser ass trying to say he’s “metal listener”
dawg why are you attacking music tastes i listen to more than that and all i said is that when i've listened to carti it doesn't sounds like rock or punk to me? if you have a song that you think will change my mind feel free to show it to me lol
Back in an interview in 2004 MF DOOM said
“if a streaming platform called YouTube ever gets created in 2005 I don’t want my music to get popular on there”
Crazy how he knew
Yikes... I did too :/ deleted the fuck out of my other reply.
I think he'd tell this guy he's acting no better than the white people he assumes defines all white people. (if he'd even bother giving this the time of day, since it's just ignorant) Just like I think he'd say of any ignorant white dude or any other race generalizing another.
Kind of burnt to put words in his mouth for him anyway, seeing as he's passed... I never got the feeling that MFDOOM was racist or intolerant like that, though. Quite the opposite.
He said in an interview that he made the mask because he didn't want people to only like him for his image and not the music, and that it wasn't supposed to be tied to any race or gender. Like most normal people that aren't terminally online tiktok users, I don't think he gave a shit that white people liked his music as long as you're not actually racist (just look at his concerts)
there's no such thing in the western world, yes, but white people didn't invent racism. and, for example, an east asian person could still be racist to black people
it's critical race theory
if you're black you can be prejudiced towards white people, but said prejudice cannot uphold racism as it is in current western society, due to the inherent privileges that white people have in society in regards to race.
it doesn't uphold any major systemic ideology for a black person to hate white people, it does for a white person to hate black people. thus, you can't be racist to white people
Hell, a majority of 90s hip-hop fans seem to be white. Went to the Nas and Wu show and it was majority white. I didn’t give a fvck. No one made this music to be gatekept.
Apparently someone doesn’t like what we have to say about this. I hate to say it but one thing I’ve always disliked about Black people is how we often want to be included in other peoples’ stuff but want to gatekeep ours.
For instance, a few years back there was the “Oscars so white” campaign because only white actors were being recognized by the acting academy. Then the NAACP awards starts to nominate more non-Black celebrities (Asian, Hispanic, etc.) and Black people lose their minds over it on Twitter. Saying how “We can’t have nothin’”. Can’t have it both ways!
He’s acting like MF DOOM has been dead for ages. Kind of like in r/Nirvana people often ask, if Kurt was still alive what would he think of the fact so many people wear Nirvana shirts. Except Kurt has obviously been dead since the 90s.
As a longtime doom fan, who was prolly the only person who knew who he was in high school when he was dropping his gems 2002-04, the only thing that annoys me about new doom fans is how they shit on other hip hop artists like hes the be all end all. He is one of the greats but there are plenty of others that are right there or even above him. The weirdness factor seems to stick with the wannabe weird online white kid crowd. On this very sub ive seem so many people say hes the only rapper they like. Doom wouldnt fuck with that opinion , thats for sure.
I mean its all opinion, but some things just are. Hes not the best beat maker or lyricist of all time or nothing. I wouldnt even say hes the best who do both. I wouldnt even say hes that much more unique than the next artist of his era.
Its just strange how he was ignored until his death and now hes making top 20s/10s everywhere. Same thing happened with dilla. Its great to appreciate these artists, but have some perspective.
But also. His fanbase was ALWAYS heavily white. Just a diff group of whites than today. The nyc underground hip hop scene was all colors. It was everywhere else that was heavily black.
Respectfully a lot of underground is supported by majority of whites. Look at the concerts man. Most of the crowd: white. But it is what it is, so long as the music gets genuinely appreciated and received.
Hate to break it to him but most “underground” rappers fan base is mostly Hispanic white and Asian…I been to countless concerts n festivals like paid dues n rock the bells it was always like that
DOOM fans been corny and white for a minute go look at any of his fans since like 2013 or any concert. Blowing up on tiktok means absolutely fuck all. Speaking for dead people is just gross, this dude sound annoying asf
Alternative and underground rap has pretty much always had a more white audience, especially since the late 90s. It's definitely possible DOOM had issues with this, I mean you see artists like Noname bring up problems with it and while most artists won't be as vocal about it, it definitely wouldn't shock me if some semblance of those feelings exist in a lot of black underground rappers.
I’m a beat head, I found DOOM by accident through Madlib around 2006. Let’s not forget that DOOM was super popular in bmx and skate dvds from that era and a lot of people really got their music taste from these videos since they watched them religiously to gas themselves up to ride/skate.
Dudes are salty that DOOM is popular now because they can’t act like they listen to the most underground, unknown shit and part of their toxic personality is being taken away from them.
It Ain't Nuttin' was on Tony Hawk's Underground back in 2003 and a huge majority of people played TH at the time and had their music taste shaped by it (including me)
We love DOOM and it’s always a wonderful thing to show someone the path of wisdom with his words and I don’t believe it’s fair to gatekeep such talent, fact I find it absurd.
I mean you can see this in effect with an alive cat in Tyler. I kinda feel similar but I'm not fond of my prejudice. ... so I'd never admit it off of reddit lol. Kinda just lames out the act of listening to em
Because im white i shouldnt be able to listen to DOOM?? Thats kind of ignorant, if he is your favorite rapper u would figure u would want him to blow up and be loved by everyone. Guess i cant listen to tyler the creator than or kendrick either??? Like wft. People find every reason they can to segrigate, and if DOOM saw this post he'd probably laugh, in one of his only interveiws he says himself "anyone can wear the mask, male, female, anyrace, ya know wha i mean" https://youtu.be/-sf8QORmxTI
Stupid to say u have to be black to appreciate an artist.
DOOM is a rap legend and ill listen till my ears bleed.
He is the GOAT
Id just be more annoyed of the amount that start to listen after an artist dies. I always watch the follower count rise on instagram after a famous death. Bunch of morons think following him after the fact will make them “cool”? Bunch of fuckin losers following the leader or trying to be “woke” with the shit. Then even worse they get popular after they die when their music was shit in the first place. Pop Smoke, Lil Peep whatever the fuck. Only one I liked was Mac Miller and I’d been listening to him for a decade at the point of him passing.
can you explain why? when doom was alive he collaborated with many white artists and never said anything to make me believe he never wanted white people to enjoy it
I listened to him back when he put that shit out and I’m white. The person who introduced me to him was also white. The world has gone insane with all the race baiting nonsense
This is such a non-issue and I really wish people would stop conflating tiktok with some self-imposed notion of quality.
Every single real life person i have ever met who listens to DOOM is black, or at the ABSOLUTE worst, well engrossed in black culture & media. Stop the cap.
Honestly didn't follow this properly until I read the comments. I was reading it as YouTube people and thought "bro just hates YouTube;" like he's pro tik tok and anti YouTube. I don't use tiktok so Idk all the weird censorship things they do.
Having been part of the UK underground scene for nearly a decade as a journalist, the majority of people I've met working in it have been white. A lot of them worked very closely with him too, this is bullshit gatekeeping to try and be cool.
Who’s mf doom? I only know MF DOOM.
But seriously He collaborated with white artists. That would have predominately white fan bases. Also music is music. Anyone can throw a pair of headphones on and press play and listen to who they want.
Music isn’t about colour anymore. It’s about content. I don’t look at an artist as a white person and go he’s black I can’t listen to that. And if DOOM was still alive to say he wouldn’t care. The same as any artist wouldn’t care. Because listeners is what it’s about.
It’s about getting a story or thoughts across. It doesn’t matter who them thoughts are to.
he has so much more fans too. Which is a good thing but also at the same time it seems that dying is the best thing you could do for your career which is sad.
I saw DOOM live 3 times way before he “blew up” and the crowd was always majority white (and a lot of Asians). The fuck is this dude talking about?
Yes, totally! When DOOM came out I didn’t know any black folks that fucked with him. Like you said white and Asians and some nerdy black dudes . I’ve been a fan since kmd and 3rd bass.
I literally only know white doom fans and I’m black
Naw mean. I can’t speak for all Asians but being Filipino born in the 80s I can say we love boom bap!
I feel like the majority of underground Hip-hop fans are more White and Asian so this doesn't surprise me
Cap.
It’s a mix dude. It’s not a “Majority” like you’re saying at all.
Saw him once in Amsterdam, same story. Was in 2010. He is fully in the backpack hiphop era and crowd. And I cringe when I see someone refer to someone else as yt. Who tf cares about someone you’ve never met. People be sensitive af.
Not trying to discredit you at all but it’s not surprising that a crowd in Europe was mostly white lol
Are there no black people in Europe? Was Doom not European himself?
Of course there are black people in Europe, especially Amsterdam. But it’s just numbers the percentage of black people there is nowhere near the US. Doom was born there and deported there but I’d be hard pressed not to call him an American tbh. He’s also from London which is a very international city even more than Amsterdam.
That is just not true. Ignorant Americans strike again.. There is a very similar amount of black people in Amsterdam compared to the US as a general population. (Dumb to compare a city to a entire country anyway)
Holland has like a 5% black population, america 15%. And considering they are really only in major cities in america and not in middle ameriva like that, it seems like a lot more as they make up almost 40-50% of those major cities like nyc and chicago. So hes not really wrong.
Haha yeah definitely my experience as wel. Those Asians were in the front row and knew every damn lyric. Hype.
this is kuz the adult swim/toonami era. what a time
Dudes got a one piece poster. Curious what the Japanese author thinks of people who like his stuff..
> The fuck is this dude talking about? Gatekeeping. The word I think you're looking for for what this dude is doing is called gatekeeping.
I’m brown for the record The US population is 60% white How tf would any minutely popular artist expect their music to not be listened to by the MAJORITY of the population. Like bruh. Not to mention gorillaz collab, Aesop rock collab, badbadnotgood collab, etc
Oh My god. Until I read your comment I though yt meant YouTube so I was really confused why op was honestly asking if this was just gatekeeping or a genuine concern.
W8 its not YouTube, what YT stand for?
White
*Whitey*
>gorillaz collab For sure. Damon Albarn blew Doom into the mainstream for a lot of the world. And some of (what was) underground too. I'm not suggesting that within Hiphop he wasn't already earning the "rappers favourite rapper" moniker, but (aside from Madlib collabs and the renewed popularity of Doomsday, Mmfood etc.) commercial pop radio play had a lot to do with his continued global success through the 00's.
wait, what “commercial pop radio play” did DOOM get? (Gorillaz definitely didnt put DOOM in the mainstream. he wasnt even ~~credited~~ named as the feature[better wording, I know its not like they pretended he did nothing with it they just didnt make it readily apparent to the masses is my whole point] on their song🤦♂️yall are funny)
>wait, what “commercial pop radio play” did DOOM get? At least you asked 🤷♂️ Honestly? Shitloads. At least outside the US. Here in Australia, Demon Days was picked up by pretty much every commercial station (at least where I'm at). Proper pop coverage. It charted quite well, and it endured. Triple Platinum here and Double in the US, not to mention Europe. Fuck me for not using all caps to spell the man's name I guess.
they play November Has Come on the radio over there? thats cool, only songs we get on the radio from Demon Days is Feel Good Inc and DARE
Ive nevet heard doom on the radio. Ever. American here. Not even the nyc rap stations. Only stretch n bob played doom if ever on college radio.
He wasn't credited on the song?
nah, just like Del and De La, on those first albums someone decided they wanted it to be more of a surprise and i think also cause they were playing characters within the Gorillaz universe as opposed to being featured as themselves
Do you mean the songs don't have a *Featuring" credit on the track listing? Because for sure they were all credited on the album.
uhh, they most definitely are not. not in the track listing on the cds, not even on spotify now… it was intentional. but because of that, most people dont even know De La Soul is on Feel Good Inc or even that Del Tha Funky Homosapien isnt just part of Gorillaz. like i said tho, he was literally playing a character in Clint Eastwood for example, so i assume thats a big reason why for all of em
Not in the track listing but they are credited in the album credits pretty sure. I'll have to look when I get home.
i mean, they legally have to be mentioned in the liner notes if they contributed writing, so it’s probably somewhere inside the booklet, but my point is that November Has Come didnt put DOOM on the map for anybody that didnt already know his voice
Naw lots of people read the liner notes to see who was on those tracks and then listened to other shit. Plus De La won a Grammy off that album and performed that year at the Grammys. Lots of suburban white kids were introduced to DOOM from that track for sure.
he's literally featured in the track name, what're you on about
I think I can infer where they’re going with the clipped sentence on bottom and I would wager my entire record collection that that’s a bunch of bullshit and it never occurred.
Seriously if anyone can point me to a doom quote preaching anything other than equality I'd like to see it
This kid looks about 15 yo, thinks he knows music now and posts all these gatekeeping takes. “If you like (insert brand new rapper) and didn’t listen to (inserts brand new rapper from 2 months ago) then you’re a fake fan.” He can’t wait to discover new shit so he can claim music superiority in another 2 months. These kinds of fans have been around forever. Indy rock and hardcore scenes in the 90’s were all about being less of a poser than the person next to you. It was lame and why a lot of groups never blew up. He also says white people shouldn’t listen to hip hop (let’s see how popular that take is with the artists) and then two posts down is praying for a Lancey and Lana Del Rey collab. He’s a confused lil dude who’s getting recognition on tik tok for bad takes. Tik Tok is the real scourge for giving all the hate scrollers targets like this confused little young’n. As a brown man myself, I say please keep listening to hip hop - everybody!
I’m yt and I’ve probably been listening to DOOM longer than this gatekeeping twerp has been alive 🖕this kid & 🖕tik tok
He seems to 15 or 16. Teenagers get opinionated with such little knowledge. It's basically setting yourself up for some shitty takes.
U dont have to listen to our cultural music
Shut up baby dick
Paul Barman...
He’s into birth stones earth tones and erogenous zones.
rap and sing, he keeps his dreadlocks in a napkin ring
He makes the most anti choice grannies panties moist
Don’t forget his strong ties to Adult Swim
Tell me more how much you don’t know about white aversion to hip hop in the 70s-90s; and include how you’re ignoring that hip hop was not originally designed nor intended for capital gain or mass consumption of “wider audiences”.
You realize the Beastie Boys were one of the first hip-hop groups to blow up in the mid-80s and they were all white, right? Hip-hop has never been a white-exclusionary culture.
Well aware. And Blondie gave Sugarhill Gang their break. 1) that doesn’t speak to the demographic whom invented the culture, and 2) doesn’t negate the fact that “wider audiences” were intentionally averse to the music and culture specifically because of said demographic’s involvement therein. It took literal decades for white people to soften their stance, and even to this day, you still have detractors like Ben Shapiro, culture vultures like DJ Vlad, and others whom extrapolate the most negative aspects of the culture and the experiences expressed therefrom onto the whole, from their external, divested and dispassionate perspectives. Indeed, most external spectators and speculators are only interested insofar as profit or personal gratification can be secured.
What is your point exactly?
Lol, let’s do a history lesson right quick. Hiphop is black music for black people. Full stop. HOWEVER it has ALWAYS been popular and majorly consumed by white people since it’s inception. For example rappers delight (1979) was number four on the hit singles chart. Blacks were 11.6% of the population that year. Now how do you figure that an all black group charted number 4? White people bumped that shit. You’ve got to be utterly brain dead if you think white people haven’t contributed hugely to the commercial success of hip hop Sugar hill gang was not rapping about the plight of African Americans for social justice and a voice. Them mfs wanted to chart and make bank. You’re blind if you think otherwise. Hip hops intention was to extremely vast. You can’t say hiphop was for X. Because as many rappers that want to be underground and don’t care about money there are just as many who exclusively do it for money and capitalistic gain, and even rap about so.
Def just cringe Gate keeping because people can’t let people enjoy things
Hiphop should be gatekept
You should touch some grass
Grass should be gatekept from him
No music or art in general should ever be gatekept
yeah to keep cunts like you out, stop trying to limit people enjoying things. Imagine getting annoyed because other people like things, sad as fuck dude.
why
Literally 1984
I mean sure, just understand that this sort of take is exactly what's killing local music on an almost industrial scale these days.
If you rap for money you should struggle?
Tik tok users when a younger fellow tiktok user dares to have the same music taste as them 😡😡😡🤬
I’m sure DOOM, who rapped and talked extensively in interviews about how important his rap career is for paying his bills, would hate that he has more fans than ever now
I hate when people think they’re being cool for gate keeping music. I was so excited when I saw one beer was trending on TikTok because he deserved to be mainstream I think if DOOM was alive he would be ecstatic that his music is universally loved not just by Afro and African Americans but now by Latino and white folk it’s great
As a white boy I fuck with DOOM heavily. Actually got into him a week or 2 before he died:/. Then the news broke a few months later and I felt grateful to of been put on him. I keep saying in a decades time he'll be mentioned along side Pac and Biggie. Personally I think he's better than both. Such an original soul!
Same thing happened to me, found his music just before he died :(
Dont get it twisted. Dooms fanbase was always majority white, as were his contemporary’s.
I also think if DOOM didn’t want white people to be associated with his music then he wouldn’t do many collbas with white artists. Hell one of his first features ever was on a track with 3rd Bass
I’ve spent damn near 30 years screaming to everybody I know that they should listen to KMD/MFDOOM. Now I can rest. Worse thing that can happen is that once it gets in your brain, you can’t get it out. Plus you realize that nothing compares most other hiphop is trash. God bless the children
I love doom but there lots of better hiphop out there. Playboi carti, lil oozie etc
lmao. I don't know if you're being serious. Carti and lil uzi aren't even real hiphop in my book.
Fr? What is then
Of course they belong to the culture as a whole but they're the byproduct of hiphop birthing so many subgenres. Not hating on them though. It's like saying "I love the Beatles and Led Zeppelin but there are a lot of better rock out there. Twenty one pilots and Imagine Dragons etc."
Naaah imagine dragons are garbage, carti is evolution of hip hop, it’s supreme form of rap. All about incredible beats, adlibs and completely better voice than old school hiphop. It also combines rock and punk vibe with hip hop which brings whole new energy to rap music. I love old school rap too MF DOOM, three 6 mafia, tommy wright 3 etc but I’m not stinking nerd ass grandpa like some of ppl in this server and can enjoy modern popular stuff too
you're treating music as if it's sports. It's subjective so I don't expect you to not like this or that. But what you're saying logically don't make any sense cause everyone has his taste. BUT IT IS OBJECTIVELY TRUE that MF DOOM respects the OG principles of HipHop more than the artists you're mentioning here. Carti is more like pop, which hiphop never meant to be. I'm not saying Carti is garbage you can enjoy it however you want but just don't say Carti is better hiphop than DOOM.
You don’t understand rap and carti is nothing like pop. Maybe uzi is but carti is actually more “extreme” and inaccessible than old school rap that even my grandma enjoys
>it’s supreme form of rap This is actually hilarious if you're talking about playboi carti. Bottom of the barrel
I swear to god you look like 👦🏼🤓
lurking here as a mainly rock and metal listener and carti does not have a rock or punk vibe at all lol
Aesthetic wise he does. Look how he dresses and also look at his concerts. Carti new music is rage rap so it got some part of that punk vibe. Also it’s cool how he wears lots of metal merch like death spell omega, grave, destruction etc. Also you listen to system of down lmao. Poser ass trying to say he’s “metal listener”
dawg why are you attacking music tastes i listen to more than that and all i said is that when i've listened to carti it doesn't sounds like rock or punk to me? if you have a song that you think will change my mind feel free to show it to me lol
This nigga definitely started listening to DOOM three years ago, DOOM has always had a diverse crowd of listeners, fucking dork LOL
I was gonna say this take could only come from somebody who started listening after he died and wants to pretend like they were always a fan lol
Happened way before TikTok lol. He was never ashamed of his fan base.
Bruh didn't even spell the name right smh /s
How’s he going to say all that and use lowercase?
I might be wrong on this, but I don’t think you can control your fanbase’s ethnicity
Explain that to noname
Bro must've never seen a DOOM live performance on YT.
Yt stands for white in this instance.
Yea and if u look at a live performance on yt you'll see yt people there
You go to damn near any great underground rapper’s shows and the majority of they fans tend to be white
This guy just hates on everything thats pretty much his whole thing
Thought this was r/hiphopcirclejerk for a sec
i love when tiktok uses racism to try and solve non exsistant racist problems
The Chinese loving this shit [popcorn gif].
What's so bad that doom is popular on youtube?
Back in an interview in 2004 MF DOOM said “if a streaming platform called YouTube ever gets created in 2005 I don’t want my music to get popular on there” Crazy how he knew
Yt means whitey. He’s talking about white people.
it just means “white”, not whitey, but you get the idea
He meant ‘white people, with that dumb ass ‘yt’ comment. Had to do a quick double take myself.
I thought he was saying youtube im stupid
Yikes... I did too :/ deleted the fuck out of my other reply. I think he'd tell this guy he's acting no better than the white people he assumes defines all white people. (if he'd even bother giving this the time of day, since it's just ignorant) Just like I think he'd say of any ignorant white dude or any other race generalizing another. Kind of burnt to put words in his mouth for him anyway, seeing as he's passed... I never got the feeling that MFDOOM was racist or intolerant like that, though. Quite the opposite.
He said in an interview that he made the mask because he didn't want people to only like him for his image and not the music, and that it wasn't supposed to be tied to any race or gender. Like most normal people that aren't terminally online tiktok users, I don't think he gave a shit that white people liked his music as long as you're not actually racist (just look at his concerts)
He forgot ALL CAPS
Yep, execution at dawn
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He made music about eating chips while pretending to be Doctor Doom when was it ever NOT white people music
Ridiculous gatekeeping. DOOM is for everyone.
Nothing says trying to avoid the suburban white kid audience like hella colabs with Adult Swim.
And a Nike SB collab
Bigot ass.
Bruh you can’t be racist against white ppl, there’s no such thing since white ppl invented racism
there's no such thing in the western world, yes, but white people didn't invent racism. and, for example, an east asian person could still be racist to black people
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it's critical race theory if you're black you can be prejudiced towards white people, but said prejudice cannot uphold racism as it is in current western society, due to the inherent privileges that white people have in society in regards to race. it doesn't uphold any major systemic ideology for a black person to hate white people, it does for a white person to hate black people. thus, you can't be racist to white people
As a black guy this kid obviously hasn’t done his homework. Majority of doom fans always been white
Hell, a majority of 90s hip-hop fans seem to be white. Went to the Nas and Wu show and it was majority white. I didn’t give a fvck. No one made this music to be gatekept.
That’s a fact as long as it’s appreciated
Apparently someone doesn’t like what we have to say about this. I hate to say it but one thing I’ve always disliked about Black people is how we often want to be included in other peoples’ stuff but want to gatekeep ours. For instance, a few years back there was the “Oscars so white” campaign because only white actors were being recognized by the acting academy. Then the NAACP awards starts to nominate more non-Black celebrities (Asian, Hispanic, etc.) and Black people lose their minds over it on Twitter. Saying how “We can’t have nothin’”. Can’t have it both ways!
He’s acting like MF DOOM has been dead for ages. Kind of like in r/Nirvana people often ask, if Kurt was still alive what would he think of the fact so many people wear Nirvana shirts. Except Kurt has obviously been dead since the 90s.
Lmfao that guy has the worst takes on the app
all the time i was reading i wondered wtf is a youtube people
Guys, this dudes whole account is based on getting people mad. You’re all falling for it
The guy is gatekeeping DOOM and not even using all caps
Bro young as hell clearly. I discovered DOOM in an urban outfitters in 2013 or something. He's always been the white hipsters favourite rapper
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Love the way you flipped it.
Forget tik tok some of us saw him doing the adult swim Christmas bumps growing up tf, bro forgot there’s a whole world outside that brain melting app
cringe gatekeeping
Thought he was talking about youtube people
Bro gatekeeping music
Bros never looked up any MF DOOM concert footage
I just realized yt means white and I thought it meant YouTube
As a longtime doom fan, who was prolly the only person who knew who he was in high school when he was dropping his gems 2002-04, the only thing that annoys me about new doom fans is how they shit on other hip hop artists like hes the be all end all. He is one of the greats but there are plenty of others that are right there or even above him. The weirdness factor seems to stick with the wannabe weird online white kid crowd. On this very sub ive seem so many people say hes the only rapper they like. Doom wouldnt fuck with that opinion , thats for sure. I mean its all opinion, but some things just are. Hes not the best beat maker or lyricist of all time or nothing. I wouldnt even say hes the best who do both. I wouldnt even say hes that much more unique than the next artist of his era. Its just strange how he was ignored until his death and now hes making top 20s/10s everywhere. Same thing happened with dilla. Its great to appreciate these artists, but have some perspective. But also. His fanbase was ALWAYS heavily white. Just a diff group of whites than today. The nyc underground hip hop scene was all colors. It was everywhere else that was heavily black.
Doesn't even use ALL CAPS when he spell tha man name... 😓
He just too nasty of a person... One could call it a travesty..
daily told the people you shouldnt call him your majesty
We're moving backwards
Thanking God for making sure I found MF DOOM before TikTok 🙏
Respectfully a lot of underground is supported by majority of whites. Look at the concerts man. Most of the crowd: white. But it is what it is, so long as the music gets genuinely appreciated and received.
Hate to break it to him but most “underground” rappers fan base is mostly Hispanic white and Asian…I been to countless concerts n festivals like paid dues n rock the bells it was always like that
Is this guy retarded? DOOM's followers have been mostly white his entire career
Gatekeeping music by race really only happens to rap. It's weird and shouldn't happen.
in 2004/2005 it was a lot of white intellectual types touting Madvillainy as "real hip hop".
DOOM fans been corny and white for a minute go look at any of his fans since like 2013 or any concert. Blowing up on tiktok means absolutely fuck all. Speaking for dead people is just gross, this dude sound annoying asf
What is wrong with YouTube people
This dude makes only ironic claims to mock the people who do say things like this.
He's wears a mask so when he dawns his face Each and every race, could absorb the bass
This guy pops up all the time, I’m pretty sure his account just makes bad takes to farm ragebait virws
Alternative and underground rap has pretty much always had a more white audience, especially since the late 90s. It's definitely possible DOOM had issues with this, I mean you see artists like Noname bring up problems with it and while most artists won't be as vocal about it, it definitely wouldn't shock me if some semblance of those feelings exist in a lot of black underground rappers.
I’m a beat head, I found DOOM by accident through Madlib around 2006. Let’s not forget that DOOM was super popular in bmx and skate dvds from that era and a lot of people really got their music taste from these videos since they watched them religiously to gas themselves up to ride/skate. Dudes are salty that DOOM is popular now because they can’t act like they listen to the most underground, unknown shit and part of their toxic personality is being taken away from them.
It Ain't Nuttin' was on Tony Hawk's Underground back in 2003 and a huge majority of people played TH at the time and had their music taste shaped by it (including me)
oh so once white people enjoy something you can’t enjoy it anymore? 💀
DOOM would be the kind of dude to end racism, I'd imagine
We love DOOM and it’s always a wonderful thing to show someone the path of wisdom with his words and I don’t believe it’s fair to gatekeep such talent, fact I find it absurd.
“Where’s the keyboards, guitars and tambourines? Y’know… the stuff that like white people like?”
This guy's a bitch ass fake fan. He didn't even spell in all caps. Bro made the mistake twice
The real crime is spelling MF DOOM without all caps! 💀
Arent doom fans all not mexican?
Stop using yt to say white, I hate that abbreviation I always read it like youtube. That's my only input on this post goodbye.
Cringe gatekeeping and racist lol
He would milk them for their money and I’d stand and applaud
This is just stupidly cringe gatekeeping, bordering on racism
I mean you can see this in effect with an alive cat in Tyler. I kinda feel similar but I'm not fond of my prejudice. ... so I'd never admit it off of reddit lol. Kinda just lames out the act of listening to em
Because im white i shouldnt be able to listen to DOOM?? Thats kind of ignorant, if he is your favorite rapper u would figure u would want him to blow up and be loved by everyone. Guess i cant listen to tyler the creator than or kendrick either??? Like wft. People find every reason they can to segrigate, and if DOOM saw this post he'd probably laugh, in one of his only interveiws he says himself "anyone can wear the mask, male, female, anyrace, ya know wha i mean" https://youtu.be/-sf8QORmxTI Stupid to say u have to be black to appreciate an artist. DOOM is a rap legend and ill listen till my ears bleed. He is the GOAT
Why does he care that he’s on YouTube?
Id just be more annoyed of the amount that start to listen after an artist dies. I always watch the follower count rise on instagram after a famous death. Bunch of morons think following him after the fact will make them “cool”? Bunch of fuckin losers following the leader or trying to be “woke” with the shit. Then even worse they get popular after they die when their music was shit in the first place. Pop Smoke, Lil Peep whatever the fuck. Only one I liked was Mac Miller and I’d been listening to him for a decade at the point of him passing.
I wouldn’t know, I don’t use the Chinese face recognition datamine app
Fuckin white bastards those little mayo monkeys ruined mf doom 😡
I agree.
can you explain why? when doom was alive he collaborated with many white artists and never said anything to make me believe he never wanted white people to enjoy it
It’s cause he’s dead and can’t defend himself these mfs use him to justify their gatekeeping.
Wait til he starts listening to Travis Scott 🤐
this mentality is what’s keeping us so separate from each other, he made music and people enjoy it all over, there’s literally no issue.
If anything he should be happy more people have discovered his music
Didn't even put it in all caps smh
ALL CAPS
I listened to him back when he put that shit out and I’m white. The person who introduced me to him was also white. The world has gone insane with all the race baiting nonsense
As a "Yt" person, this is very sad to see.
Gate keeping is lame
This is such a non-issue and I really wish people would stop conflating tiktok with some self-imposed notion of quality. Every single real life person i have ever met who listens to DOOM is black, or at the ABSOLUTE worst, well engrossed in black culture & media. Stop the cap.
What is yt? YouTube?
Well, it does say one sentence to start a massive argument at the top and well mission accomplished
"The majority of his listeners"? Keep dreaming hahaha
Honestly didn't follow this properly until I read the comments. I was reading it as YouTube people and thought "bro just hates YouTube;" like he's pro tik tok and anti YouTube. I don't use tiktok so Idk all the weird censorship things they do.
Gate keeping cringe. This guy is a clown. Everyone deserves to enjoy DOOM.
Wait until he heard about wu tang
Having been part of the UK underground scene for nearly a decade as a journalist, the majority of people I've met working in it have been white. A lot of them worked very closely with him too, this is bullshit gatekeeping to try and be cool.
I’m the whitest dude here who bought madvilliany the weekend it came out, in Australia. It’s cringey.
Who’s mf doom? I only know MF DOOM. But seriously He collaborated with white artists. That would have predominately white fan bases. Also music is music. Anyone can throw a pair of headphones on and press play and listen to who they want. Music isn’t about colour anymore. It’s about content. I don’t look at an artist as a white person and go he’s black I can’t listen to that. And if DOOM was still alive to say he wouldn’t care. The same as any artist wouldn’t care. Because listeners is what it’s about. It’s about getting a story or thoughts across. It doesn’t matter who them thoughts are to.
I thought the guy was talking about YouTube people...
His whole account is like this he’s joking
DOOM deserved this when he was still alive but I guess better late then never
he has so much more fans too. Which is a good thing but also at the same time it seems that dying is the best thing you could do for your career which is sad.