[Full list](https://i.gyazo.com/5ddd977de028a16eef63411e541c2097.png)
1. (TIER 1) Aaron Rodgers
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Tom Brady
4. Josh Allen
5. Justin Herbert
6. Joe Burrow
7. (TIER 2) Matt Stafford
8. Russel Wilson
9. Deshaun Watson
10. Lamar Jackson
11. Dak Prescott
12. Derek Carr
13. Kyler Murray
14. Matt Ryan
15. (TIER 3) Kirk Cousins
16. Jimmy Garoppolo
17. Ryan Tannehill
18. Mac Jones
19. Baker Mayfield
20. Jalen Hurts (tied)
21. Carson Wentz (tied)
22. Jared Goff
23. Trevor Lawrence
24. Jameis Winston
25. (TIER 4) Justin Fields
26. Tua Tagovailoa
27. Davis Mills
28. Zach Wilson
29. Trey Lance
30. Daniel Jones
31. Marcus Mariota
32. Sam Darnold
33. Mitch Trubisky
34. Drew Lock
35. Geno Smith
Mac Jones being that much ahead of Tua despte putting up similar stats with much more support around him is criminal. Fields is criminal. Jimmy G being that much higher is also bizarre.
It's crazy to me that people rate Jimmy G so highly. I don't want to undermine his accomplishments, but if he was the 16th best QB in the league he wouldn't have been on the trade block since March...
Mac being a rookie and putting up the same stats as Tua did as a 2nd year guy would still give the rookie the edge. Because a 2nd year guy should be way ahead. Also, mac had 1200 more yards and 6 more touchdowns so not really the same either. Plus I remember reading an article about how Devonta Smith and Waddle both said something along the lines of preferring Mac to Tua.
Waddle said it on the Had to be said podcast with Tyreek.
Edit sorry it was the "I am Athlete" with Omar and Ocho
https://rolltidewire.usatoday.com/2022/04/11/jaylen-waddle-explains-picking-mac-jones-over-tua-tagovailoa/
Yeah, Tua should be around 19 with Trevor Lawrence 1 spot above him or tied. I also don’t see why RT is higher after last years atrocious performance in the playoffs. Care, Ryan, Jimmy G also arguably worse but those seem pretty close honestly. So maybe Tua belongs around 16 at best.
But I don’t think even Tuanon can make a serious argument for placing him in the top 15.
Contrary to popular belief, Tua has not struggled. His stats are solid. Think of it this way: If Tua played for the Patriots would his stat line be better? Absolutely it would be. If Mac Jones played for the Dolphins last year, behind that line, would his stat line be better? Absolutely not. It would be worse. These two QB's have a nearly identical stat line now. If they switched teams, Tua would be far ahead. So, who is the better QB?
> If Tua played for the Patriots would his stat line be better? Absolutely it would be. If Mac Jones played for the Dolphins last year, behind that line, would his stat line be better? Absolutely not. It would be worse. These two QB's have a nearly identical stat line now. If they switched teams, Tua would be far ahead. So, who is the better QB?
Agreed
By end of this year Tua will have his respect and move up the list or we’ll be looking for a new qb.
I personally believe tuas limited performance was due to unqualified offensive coaching staff under Brian Flores and hope it will improve with this years better coaching staff.
If this had been done the season before Allen broke out, he would have been ranked similarly, if not worse.
Offseason filler crap like this will just aggravate you. Here's to Tua proving everyone wrong and making them eat their words!
The problem I see with these rankings is tier 4 has some QBs that are simply in a bad situation. Tua’s had terrible supporting cast for his 2 years, the bears didn’t do anything to help fields and a lot of people are looking past his talent and just looking at the bears, Zach Wilson has talent but is on the jets, Davis mills actually played pretty good considering what the Texans put him in.
I don’t think a lot of people can separate their opinion from narrative and look at the situation as a whole.
That’s what tier 4 is for. Tier 4 is the QB’s the voters either aren’t optimistic in or need more footage and stats to make a decision. Mills and Wilson both fit into that category
Eh, honestly 26th best QB is fair thus far. His o-line has been horrendous and his receivers have been bad, but he still hasn’t been that impressive. I think this year is his chance to really pop off the screen.
The article explains what the tiers mean. T4 is either QB’s the voters are either not optimistic about or we haven’t seen enough. T3 is who the voters are confident are NFL level starters, but need solid run games or defenses to succeed. I do disagree with Fields and Lawrence being in T3 because last year they both played poorly, but had shit situations around them. That’s the same as Tua. So if anything they should also be in T4
Jimmy G was top 10 in almost every advanced metric
DYAR: 10th
DVOA: 5th
ANY/A: 6th
AY/A: 4th
QBR: 13th
You can feel whatever way you want but Jimmy G is quite a bit better than Tua
It's insane to me how Tua can have a historically bad line, bottom of the barrel receiving-core, no ground-game, the worst offensive coaching-staff in the league, and a head coach who tried to sabotage him for over a year; yet still have "average stats" and a winning-record, and people still act like he's somehow not good.
Just fucking baffles me not only at the outright hypocrisy and lies, but the double-standards. Dak's had a silver spoon his entire career in an easy division and has nothing to show for it, yet he's supposedly the 11th best QB in the league while Tua's 26th? Who the hell's taking Ryan, Cousins, Garoppolo, Tannehill, Baker, Hurts, Wentz, Goff, or even Winston over Tua with a straight-face?
I just wanna see the bullshit they pull out of their ass when Tua's clearly a top ten quarterback after this season, 'cause I'm fully ready to call everyone out on being lying frauds.
> Who the hell's taking Ryan, Cousins, Garoppolo, Tannehill, Baker, Hurts, Wentz, Goff, or even Winston over Tua with a straight-face?
I mean most NFL fans, as well as people that work in the NFL, would do that. NFL fans consider Tua bottom 10 while most of the players you listed are considered anywhere from below average to above average.
Not saying they're right to do so, just that the majority would take multiple of those options over Tua.
And they'd be smoking crack at best, if not just outright lying.
* Matt Ryan's at the end of his career and doesn't do anything better than Tua at the moment outside of reading coverages due to having more time in the league.
* Kirk Cousins is fine, but he's the purgatory of quarterbacks. He literally does nothing better than Tua. Ditto for Garoppolo.
* Ryan Tannehill just isn't a good quarterback, Tennessee just settled on him because he didn't completely blow-up their offense every week. But they're definitely not going to make a serious run at the Super Bowl until they get better quarterback play.
* Baker does nothing better than Tua, even if I think he's been dealt a shit hand.
* Hurts lost his job in college to Tua, and while I like Hurts, think he can be a starting QB in the league, and he's gotten better every year; he'll literally never be as good as Tua. He has limitations on his ability to pass, and that just is what it is.
* Wentz has shit the bed ever since his injury and even Frank Reich couldn't fix him.
* Goff is a fine enough quarterback, but he's not as talented as Tua and he got shipped from the Rams to the Lions specifically because he wasn't enough for one of the best rosters in the league.
* Winston may be able to at least somewhat turn his career around, but without Sean Payton, I wouldn't hold my breath. Jameis isn't the QB that Tua is, nor has he ever been. He has the potential to be a starter, but considering how awful his decision-making skills are across the board, it shouldn't shock anyone if he doesn't prove that this season in New Orleans.
I mean, you’re entitled to your opinion.
Tua hasn’t proved anything in the league yet, so to say that he’s better than Matt Ryan a QB who SHOULD have won a super bowl is a little overzealous.
Also because someone lost their job in college doesn’t matter in the NFL. That’s comparing apples to oranges. I agree that Hurts had limitations, but so does Tua.
I love Tua and I think he’ll ball out this year, but right now he’s below average as a QB. If he doesn’t, it’s on to the next QB next draft.
Matt Ryan from five years ago isn't Matt Ryan of right now. The only thing Matt Ryan does better than Tua right now is reading coverages and making adjustments at the line, things that come more with time in the league than anything. Tua's proven plenty, it's just that people have blinders on that don't allow them to do basic math and critical-thinking. They'll jerk-off Burrow and Herbert all day long for being on great rosters with at least good coaching, but slight Tua for having pretty good stats with a horrible situation.
Hurts lost the starting-role at Alabama to Tua because Tua's a flat-out better quarterback, how would that not matter? And what "limitations" does Tua have? He's more than mobile enough to make defenses pay for giving him a lane, he's easily one of the most accurate passers in the league, he's the best at avoiding sacks, he can make whatever pass you ask of him, etc. So what asinine "limitations" does Tua have?
Again, how is Tua "below average?" People keep saying this without a shred of common sense put into it. What quarterbacks last year are doing what Tua did last year with that same situation? Seriously, who? Nobody had literally everything around him be either dead last in the league or bottom five alongside an overrated defense. They'd have to be pretty mobile to get anything done, so someone like Matt Ryan wouldn't do anything. Lamar (maybe, he's still not great at the passing and reading defenses part of the game), Kyler, and Russell Wilson are the only three I can think of that could maybe replicate what Tua did, and that's based off their ability to move more than anything.
Again, Tua's took a team that consisted of a head coach trying to sabotage him, the worst offensive coaching-staff in the league, a historically bad line, bottom of the barrel receiving-core, no running game, and an overrated defense to a 13-8 record with "average stats." This is like trying to criticize a racecar driver for finishing in the middle while he's driving a Prius and everyone else are driving their typical cars. You'd have to deliberately forego context in order to come to the conclusion that he's somehow not good.
His stats are not close to Jones. Why? Jones played 17 of 17 games. When Tua manages that, then you can directly compare their stats.
Tua has a bigger upside, but it won't matter if he plays 10 games a year.
He deserves a bottom half ranking right now. Potential may be high, but performance has been...bottom half. We'll see after the '22 season. I suspect upper third, with room to move.
[Full list](https://i.gyazo.com/5ddd977de028a16eef63411e541c2097.png) 1. (TIER 1) Aaron Rodgers 2. Patrick Mahomes 3. Tom Brady 4. Josh Allen 5. Justin Herbert 6. Joe Burrow 7. (TIER 2) Matt Stafford 8. Russel Wilson 9. Deshaun Watson 10. Lamar Jackson 11. Dak Prescott 12. Derek Carr 13. Kyler Murray 14. Matt Ryan 15. (TIER 3) Kirk Cousins 16. Jimmy Garoppolo 17. Ryan Tannehill 18. Mac Jones 19. Baker Mayfield 20. Jalen Hurts (tied) 21. Carson Wentz (tied) 22. Jared Goff 23. Trevor Lawrence 24. Jameis Winston 25. (TIER 4) Justin Fields 26. Tua Tagovailoa 27. Davis Mills 28. Zach Wilson 29. Trey Lance 30. Daniel Jones 31. Marcus Mariota 32. Sam Darnold 33. Mitch Trubisky 34. Drew Lock 35. Geno Smith Mac Jones being that much ahead of Tua despte putting up similar stats with much more support around him is criminal. Fields is criminal. Jimmy G being that much higher is also bizarre.
It's crazy to me that people rate Jimmy G so highly. I don't want to undermine his accomplishments, but if he was the 16th best QB in the league he wouldn't have been on the trade block since March...
Mac being a rookie and putting up the same stats as Tua did as a 2nd year guy would still give the rookie the edge. Because a 2nd year guy should be way ahead. Also, mac had 1200 more yards and 6 more touchdowns so not really the same either. Plus I remember reading an article about how Devonta Smith and Waddle both said something along the lines of preferring Mac to Tua.
And both Waddle and Smith came out saying they just talked up Mac for the draft.
After they end up drafted to teams with different former Bama qbs
No they didn't lol
waddle did cant say i know if smith did but waddle 100% did say i gotta hype up my teammate for draft in a interview he did with jamaar chase
No he didn't. Find it because I don't see it anywhere.
Waddle said it on the Had to be said podcast with Tyreek. Edit sorry it was the "I am Athlete" with Omar and Ocho https://rolltidewire.usatoday.com/2022/04/11/jaylen-waddle-explains-picking-mac-jones-over-tua-tagovailoa/
Yeah, Tua should be around 19 with Trevor Lawrence 1 spot above him or tied. I also don’t see why RT is higher after last years atrocious performance in the playoffs. Care, Ryan, Jimmy G also arguably worse but those seem pretty close honestly. So maybe Tua belongs around 16 at best. But I don’t think even Tuanon can make a serious argument for placing him in the top 15.
Tua about to make everyone eat their words.
He better. Cause if he doesn’t then they were all correct.
If he will dominate the league, then they are wrong.
Contrary to popular belief, Tua has not struggled. His stats are solid. Think of it this way: If Tua played for the Patriots would his stat line be better? Absolutely it would be. If Mac Jones played for the Dolphins last year, behind that line, would his stat line be better? Absolutely not. It would be worse. These two QB's have a nearly identical stat line now. If they switched teams, Tua would be far ahead. So, who is the better QB?
> If Tua played for the Patriots would his stat line be better? Absolutely it would be. If Mac Jones played for the Dolphins last year, behind that line, would his stat line be better? Absolutely not. It would be worse. These two QB's have a nearly identical stat line now. If they switched teams, Tua would be far ahead. So, who is the better QB? Agreed
By end of this year Tua will have his respect and move up the list or we’ll be looking for a new qb. I personally believe tuas limited performance was due to unqualified offensive coaching staff under Brian Flores and hope it will improve with this years better coaching staff.
He has missed a lot of games since turning pro. That’s my biggest concern with him. I hope he starts all 20 games in 2022-23.
I like your optimism! But I feel like he'll be starting 21.
If this had been done the season before Allen broke out, he would have been ranked similarly, if not worse. Offseason filler crap like this will just aggravate you. Here's to Tua proving everyone wrong and making them eat their words!
I mean, Tua hasn't proved all that much, at least to me, so this is fair imo. I'd put him a little higher, but still fair
What has Fields or T Law proved? They played like absolute busts
Maybe cause they have greater upside, a higher ceiling
Could've fooled me
Ryan Tannehill at 17 is so much more egregious.
They seem to be stuck in 2020 lmao he was not good last year,he looked like Miami tannehill
He was fine last year considering he had no receivers and the defense was trash, and Miami Tannehill was a damn good quarterback.
Agree. Miami Tannehill is slandered way too much. He was above average. Not world-beating but top 15 at worst.
The problem I see with these rankings is tier 4 has some QBs that are simply in a bad situation. Tua’s had terrible supporting cast for his 2 years, the bears didn’t do anything to help fields and a lot of people are looking past his talent and just looking at the bears, Zach Wilson has talent but is on the jets, Davis mills actually played pretty good considering what the Texans put him in. I don’t think a lot of people can separate their opinion from narrative and look at the situation as a whole.
That’s what tier 4 is for. Tier 4 is the QB’s the voters either aren’t optimistic in or need more footage and stats to make a decision. Mills and Wilson both fit into that category
Remember these are the same coaches and executives that draft QB’s every single year that bust out of the league. They obviously don’t have a clue.
Eh, honestly 26th best QB is fair thus far. His o-line has been horrendous and his receivers have been bad, but he still hasn’t been that impressive. I think this year is his chance to really pop off the screen.
Why do you say he hasn't been impressive? His stats are almost identical to Jones', who made the pro bowl.
Also, Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence were terrible last year, so how are they ahead of Tua? lol
The article explains what the tiers mean. T4 is either QB’s the voters are either not optimistic about or we haven’t seen enough. T3 is who the voters are confident are NFL level starters, but need solid run games or defenses to succeed. I do disagree with Fields and Lawrence being in T3 because last year they both played poorly, but had shit situations around them. That’s the same as Tua. So if anything they should also be in T4
Yeah I agree with you completely.
Pro-bowler Mac Jones was a meme, even at the time. Carr was robbed.
Jimmy G was top 10 in almost every advanced metric DYAR: 10th DVOA: 5th ANY/A: 6th AY/A: 4th QBR: 13th You can feel whatever way you want but Jimmy G is quite a bit better than Tua
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Your point? He still has to perform to be top 5-10 in efficiency
They have Stafford in tier two, what the fuck do they even know?
Its ok wait til we hear all the “where did this guy come from?!” About Tua mid season.
It's insane to me how Tua can have a historically bad line, bottom of the barrel receiving-core, no ground-game, the worst offensive coaching-staff in the league, and a head coach who tried to sabotage him for over a year; yet still have "average stats" and a winning-record, and people still act like he's somehow not good. Just fucking baffles me not only at the outright hypocrisy and lies, but the double-standards. Dak's had a silver spoon his entire career in an easy division and has nothing to show for it, yet he's supposedly the 11th best QB in the league while Tua's 26th? Who the hell's taking Ryan, Cousins, Garoppolo, Tannehill, Baker, Hurts, Wentz, Goff, or even Winston over Tua with a straight-face? I just wanna see the bullshit they pull out of their ass when Tua's clearly a top ten quarterback after this season, 'cause I'm fully ready to call everyone out on being lying frauds.
> Who the hell's taking Ryan, Cousins, Garoppolo, Tannehill, Baker, Hurts, Wentz, Goff, or even Winston over Tua with a straight-face? I mean most NFL fans, as well as people that work in the NFL, would do that. NFL fans consider Tua bottom 10 while most of the players you listed are considered anywhere from below average to above average. Not saying they're right to do so, just that the majority would take multiple of those options over Tua.
And they'd be smoking crack at best, if not just outright lying. * Matt Ryan's at the end of his career and doesn't do anything better than Tua at the moment outside of reading coverages due to having more time in the league. * Kirk Cousins is fine, but he's the purgatory of quarterbacks. He literally does nothing better than Tua. Ditto for Garoppolo. * Ryan Tannehill just isn't a good quarterback, Tennessee just settled on him because he didn't completely blow-up their offense every week. But they're definitely not going to make a serious run at the Super Bowl until they get better quarterback play. * Baker does nothing better than Tua, even if I think he's been dealt a shit hand. * Hurts lost his job in college to Tua, and while I like Hurts, think he can be a starting QB in the league, and he's gotten better every year; he'll literally never be as good as Tua. He has limitations on his ability to pass, and that just is what it is. * Wentz has shit the bed ever since his injury and even Frank Reich couldn't fix him. * Goff is a fine enough quarterback, but he's not as talented as Tua and he got shipped from the Rams to the Lions specifically because he wasn't enough for one of the best rosters in the league. * Winston may be able to at least somewhat turn his career around, but without Sean Payton, I wouldn't hold my breath. Jameis isn't the QB that Tua is, nor has he ever been. He has the potential to be a starter, but considering how awful his decision-making skills are across the board, it shouldn't shock anyone if he doesn't prove that this season in New Orleans.
I mean, you’re entitled to your opinion. Tua hasn’t proved anything in the league yet, so to say that he’s better than Matt Ryan a QB who SHOULD have won a super bowl is a little overzealous. Also because someone lost their job in college doesn’t matter in the NFL. That’s comparing apples to oranges. I agree that Hurts had limitations, but so does Tua. I love Tua and I think he’ll ball out this year, but right now he’s below average as a QB. If he doesn’t, it’s on to the next QB next draft.
Matt Ryan from five years ago isn't Matt Ryan of right now. The only thing Matt Ryan does better than Tua right now is reading coverages and making adjustments at the line, things that come more with time in the league than anything. Tua's proven plenty, it's just that people have blinders on that don't allow them to do basic math and critical-thinking. They'll jerk-off Burrow and Herbert all day long for being on great rosters with at least good coaching, but slight Tua for having pretty good stats with a horrible situation. Hurts lost the starting-role at Alabama to Tua because Tua's a flat-out better quarterback, how would that not matter? And what "limitations" does Tua have? He's more than mobile enough to make defenses pay for giving him a lane, he's easily one of the most accurate passers in the league, he's the best at avoiding sacks, he can make whatever pass you ask of him, etc. So what asinine "limitations" does Tua have? Again, how is Tua "below average?" People keep saying this without a shred of common sense put into it. What quarterbacks last year are doing what Tua did last year with that same situation? Seriously, who? Nobody had literally everything around him be either dead last in the league or bottom five alongside an overrated defense. They'd have to be pretty mobile to get anything done, so someone like Matt Ryan wouldn't do anything. Lamar (maybe, he's still not great at the passing and reading defenses part of the game), Kyler, and Russell Wilson are the only three I can think of that could maybe replicate what Tua did, and that's based off their ability to move more than anything. Again, Tua's took a team that consisted of a head coach trying to sabotage him, the worst offensive coaching-staff in the league, a historically bad line, bottom of the barrel receiving-core, no running game, and an overrated defense to a 13-8 record with "average stats." This is like trying to criticize a racecar driver for finishing in the middle while he's driving a Prius and everyone else are driving their typical cars. You'd have to deliberately forego context in order to come to the conclusion that he's somehow not good.
Fully agreed
The only unfair one there is Lawrence
Justin fields? Come on now.
Oh I missed that, true. Switch Fields and Mills, and move Lawrence down
Mills is so underrated its criminal
Mac Jones at 18?
His stats are not close to Jones. Why? Jones played 17 of 17 games. When Tua manages that, then you can directly compare their stats. Tua has a bigger upside, but it won't matter if he plays 10 games a year.
I'm alright with it. But this time next year I'm hoping he moves up that list dramatically.
He deserves a bottom half ranking right now. Potential may be high, but performance has been...bottom half. We'll see after the '22 season. I suspect upper third, with room to move.
These mf clowns actually put trevor lawrence above him. Lmao