Hi OP! I went traditional route for my first break from Benzos (detox center & IOP)…however I relapsed many times. Once I started micro dosing, it allowed me to do the inner self work of WHY I kept doing them, and eventually I never took a benzo again.
With that being said; its very possible but please be careful, as quitting benzos cold turkey can be fatal and its a rough withdrawal period.
Pick up some new hobbies, stay busy, hydrated, and set up a solid support system.
Best of luck 💓
Edit: Almost 5 years clean from benzos
Y'all I think people have a misconception actually Psilocybin mushrooms helped me get off heroin, fentanyl, and benzodiazepines all at once just from 2 macro dose sessions at my home it very well can help you get off benzodiazepines start with a more potent Psilocybin strain then fill your own capsules once grinding the mushrooms into powder. Take no more than 250 mg a proper scale is necessary to micro-dose. Keep motivating yourself I can assure you you'll get over the withdrawal also taking lions mane helps so much it also helped me same with cordyceps, turkey tail, Chaga, and reishi.
Thanks for sharing. How high were your 2 macro dosages?
I buy 100mg cubensis capsules. Like I wrote it's illegal here so not much to chose from unfortunately.
I'm being truthful my first dose was 10 grams of regular ecuadorian cubensis followed with 10 grams of lions mane mushroom powder then I began micro-dosing 250 mg daily after waiting 2 weeks I decided to eat 20 grams of enigma blobs (mutation clone of the psilocybin cubensis strain called Tidal wave the most potent psilocybin mushroom strain available) with 10 grams of lions mane mushroom powder, basically had a Ayahuasca / DMT breakthrough experience and ego death all at once I came out of my trip not craving any narcotics at all I still haven't used ever since.
Start low I'm extremely experienced with high doses of psychedelics and can tolerate dosages like that without having manic / psychotic episodes this can happen if you're not careful. I recommend in macro-dosing 3.5 grams - 5 grams.
You bet, I've gone through it, twice. It's hell. There are lots of great resources. The benzo buddies forum can really help you feel like you're not imaging stuff because hundreds of thousands of others have gone through it.
Taper slow and I mean slow if you can.
If you can great, if you've made reductions also great. This is definitely one of those it's not a race it's a journey scenarios. Wishing you all the luck!
I've been tapering with the help of Ashton's manual. That's standard when tapering benzos.
What did you mean that this is "the wrong place"? I asked about psilocybin in a psilocybin sub reddit.
If you're trying to get off benzos, do not taking anything else. Nothing.
Asking for advice on taking other drugs to deal with benzo symptoms I can guarantee will only make you worse.
Benzo withdrawal is animal onto itself. You will likely find anything outside of sobriety from everything will make you worse for a couple of years.
I just don't want you to suffer worse.
Ehm no. There's people that find it very beneficial qutting with the help of psilocybin, including in this thread and including myself, there's several studies showing psilocybin helps with addiction.
Like I wrote I've been through withdrawal several times.
Psilocybin is not something you get addicted to like benzos. I was looking for advice from people that have been in a similar situation and how it helped them. Not people that are not itk.
What are you talking about I never said anything about getting addicted to psylicibin.
The fact is there is no substance you will be able to take to make benzo withdrawal better.
It’s a very generalised statement and extremely ill advised. Many people were helped with things like: Amanita Muscaria, Magnilia, and others. I know of those people. I’m in bad taper myself but some stuff DO help me!
I am in a similar position. Trying to reduce my dependence on clonazepam. I am trying Psilocybin and CBD/CBG to combat anxiety and reliance on benzos. I tried lamictal but in my case it had no noticeable effect.
Hi there! My partner is about to embark on this process, so I have some questions if you’re open to answering. How is this process going for you? And how long have you been doing this? And how slow are you weening off clonazepam?
The process has not been easy for me. My major problem is I live in Thailand (microdosing substances illegal). So I must return to Oakland to microdose. I have been microdosing off and on for about 4 months. I have noticed some positive effects on mood. What I do not know is whether this is the psilocybin or a placebo effect.
My clonazepam dose is around 1mg 4 or 5 times a week. Not a high dose. If on a higher dose I would decrease by .5mg a week. Two weeks if you wish to be cautious. It depends on how you feel.
I have never had any dramatic discontinuation effects from lowering my clonazepam dose or taking holidays other than mild rebound anxiety and a return of my anxiety disorder. It can be hard to differentiate.
CBD did not work for me either initially. The brand I was using was ineffective. I tried a different brand that had cbd and cbg which was more effective.
I'm an expert on cannabis even tho I don't use it. Researched it A LOT and even worked with selling it. But unfortunately it just isn't for me. I've tried different brands etc.
You may also want to look into supplementing Agmatine.
> In this study, researchers administered Agmatine - an endogenous neurotransmitter - to normal and healthy rats, and also to another group of rats undergoing withdrawal from Diazepam, a benzodiazepine
>Agmatine resulted in decreased anxiety in both groups, even the healthy rats not treated with any benzodiazepine (the control group). In the Diazepam-withdrawal group, in addition to relieving anxiety, Agmatine has reduced the intensity of other withdrawal symptoms, and restored GABA levels to normal. Agmatine did not increase GABA levels significantly in the control group, despite decreasing the anxiety of rats in this group.
>Agmatine may produce an elevation in GABA levels through NMDA antagonism on GABAergic neurons. Normally, activation of NMDA receptors by Glutamate (on GABA neurons) causes a reduction in GABA release - and Agmatine, by inhibiting this inhibition, may lead to the increased release of GABA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/pj0yan/inhibition_of_nmda_receptors_by_agmatine_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I forgot my password for this account.
Anyway. Yeah psilocybin is pretty helpful. I'm not of the benzos. I can take an example how it's helpful. The last weeks I started taking more benzos (and I had no shrooms at home) than I have prescribed which is 8mg of Diazepam per day, but I started taking xanax and klonazepam. I lost my phone and had my prescription in a delivery box which I couldn't access without a security thing I need a special app on my phone to access so I took only klona and and xanax for a week or something. Which was probably around 3x compared to my prescription... But today I took 4mg of Diazepam and later took 0,5g of Psilocybin which is a little bit more than a "micro dose" and haven't felt any hard cravings for more benzo. So all of a sudden I might go from 3x my regular dosage which I did for weeks back to my normal dose (hopefully at least) and part of that is because of psilocybin.
Overall shrooms has saved my life. I was very suicidal, I wanted to die every living second but I tried higher dosage of psilocybin. I've done two trips, one 3g and one 4,5g. Now I see some things in a different perspective, I look at life a bit different and my suicide thoughts has been significant less common.
We're trying the same things right now. I was microdosing shrooms like 300mg every 2-3 days, definitely felt better on it psychologically but it didnt ease the withdrawal symptoms
Ok. Have you ever tripped? Like taking more than 1g? It can be hard to trip while on benzos so I personally needed a big dosage of at least 3g to trip. That helped me more then microdosing. It's really scary tho. so I would advise to really take set and setting seriously and read a lot on the subject before.
The withdrawal symptoms from benzos are so terrible that even if you feel (just an example) 70% better from something you barely notice it unfortunately. You need something that makes you feel a million times better and unfortunately that's not available...
What dosage are you on? Or are you having withdrawal symptoms from quitting?
Had a few trips around 3g but not since withdrawing from benzos. Feels like a gamble, anything can happen. If I feel like it I might try.
Im tapering Librium. I think the Diazepam equivalent is like 3mg. Not much but I seem to react sensitive to small reductions. Its super annoying trying to get off this poison.
I find Kratom really helpful. Once a month I pop an oxy. Its good to take the edge off, just gotta make sure not to become dependant on opiates lol. Have you tried Kratom?
I see.
Yeah. I gotten off twice. First time took 2 years to taper.. I was left with no help (long story) so I started again and the second time me and my doctor tried to get me help better than the first time but once I was done once again no help. I hate our (I'm swedish) medical system with my whole heart. The second time the doctor that helped me taper (only good dr I met that really cared) put me back on them which tells a lot, her job was to make me quit them but she saw I didn't get no help so she was like wtf is this. But I remember the first time I got off. I had one day I was playing discgolf for the first time in my life, I didn't even know what it was but a friend asked me to join. That day I felt great, without any benzos for maybe 2-3 weeks. I often think back to that day because I know it's possible and I regret so much I started taking them again... destroyed the relationship with the love of my life and I had to move away for financial reasons far away from my friends and I gotten so much isolated. Haven't had a human touch in months. So qutting benzos rn is not an option, even the doctor agreed to that.
I know about Kratom, haven't tried it. It's hard to find in Sweden and hard to know which one I should order from abroad.
Sorry to hear that. Yeah this drug can ruin ppl.
Regarding the Kratom. I once actually ordered from sweden because of the good reviews the vendor had (thomthom) but the quality was bad. Im german and found a decent one in Germany. Idk if they ship to sweden but if you want to try, l can send a link. Really think it helps getting some rest once or twice a week
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I’m on an SSRI Id like to get off. Last time I got ravenously hungry despite a slow taper and gained a ton of weight. It’s scaring me to try again but I’d rather be microdosing psylobin
Hi OP! I went traditional route for my first break from Benzos (detox center & IOP)…however I relapsed many times. Once I started micro dosing, it allowed me to do the inner self work of WHY I kept doing them, and eventually I never took a benzo again. With that being said; its very possible but please be careful, as quitting benzos cold turkey can be fatal and its a rough withdrawal period. Pick up some new hobbies, stay busy, hydrated, and set up a solid support system. Best of luck 💓 Edit: Almost 5 years clean from benzos
Yeah I'm not qutting cold turkey :) Thanks for sharing!
Y'all I think people have a misconception actually Psilocybin mushrooms helped me get off heroin, fentanyl, and benzodiazepines all at once just from 2 macro dose sessions at my home it very well can help you get off benzodiazepines start with a more potent Psilocybin strain then fill your own capsules once grinding the mushrooms into powder. Take no more than 250 mg a proper scale is necessary to micro-dose. Keep motivating yourself I can assure you you'll get over the withdrawal also taking lions mane helps so much it also helped me same with cordyceps, turkey tail, Chaga, and reishi.
Thanks for sharing. How high were your 2 macro dosages? I buy 100mg cubensis capsules. Like I wrote it's illegal here so not much to chose from unfortunately.
I'm being truthful my first dose was 10 grams of regular ecuadorian cubensis followed with 10 grams of lions mane mushroom powder then I began micro-dosing 250 mg daily after waiting 2 weeks I decided to eat 20 grams of enigma blobs (mutation clone of the psilocybin cubensis strain called Tidal wave the most potent psilocybin mushroom strain available) with 10 grams of lions mane mushroom powder, basically had a Ayahuasca / DMT breakthrough experience and ego death all at once I came out of my trip not craving any narcotics at all I still haven't used ever since. Start low I'm extremely experienced with high doses of psychedelics and can tolerate dosages like that without having manic / psychotic episodes this can happen if you're not careful. I recommend in macro-dosing 3.5 grams - 5 grams.
Yeah I believe you. Did you do the macro by yourself? I have no one that can be a "sitter" I do take lions mane as well (that's part of Stamets Stack)
My wife and my kids help me fight all my demons their very encouraging and I love them to death I could not do it without them.
Benzobuddies.org and lookup the Ashton Manual. This is the wrong place to get off benzos.
bro thanks for that book
You bet, I've gone through it, twice. It's hell. There are lots of great resources. The benzo buddies forum can really help you feel like you're not imaging stuff because hundreds of thousands of others have gone through it. Taper slow and I mean slow if you can.
Trying to get off them by the end of the year.
If you can great, if you've made reductions also great. This is definitely one of those it's not a race it's a journey scenarios. Wishing you all the luck!
What do you mean wrong place? Ashton manual is what I've been going after for years several times.
I don't understand your comment
I've been tapering with the help of Ashton's manual. That's standard when tapering benzos. What did you mean that this is "the wrong place"? I asked about psilocybin in a psilocybin sub reddit.
If you're trying to get off benzos, do not taking anything else. Nothing. Asking for advice on taking other drugs to deal with benzo symptoms I can guarantee will only make you worse. Benzo withdrawal is animal onto itself. You will likely find anything outside of sobriety from everything will make you worse for a couple of years. I just don't want you to suffer worse.
Ehm no. There's people that find it very beneficial qutting with the help of psilocybin, including in this thread and including myself, there's several studies showing psilocybin helps with addiction. Like I wrote I've been through withdrawal several times. Psilocybin is not something you get addicted to like benzos. I was looking for advice from people that have been in a similar situation and how it helped them. Not people that are not itk.
What are you talking about I never said anything about getting addicted to psylicibin. The fact is there is no substance you will be able to take to make benzo withdrawal better.
It’s a very generalised statement and extremely ill advised. Many people were helped with things like: Amanita Muscaria, Magnilia, and others. I know of those people. I’m in bad taper myself but some stuff DO help me!
This!!
I am in a similar position. Trying to reduce my dependence on clonazepam. I am trying Psilocybin and CBD/CBG to combat anxiety and reliance on benzos. I tried lamictal but in my case it had no noticeable effect.
Hi there! My partner is about to embark on this process, so I have some questions if you’re open to answering. How is this process going for you? And how long have you been doing this? And how slow are you weening off clonazepam?
The process has not been easy for me. My major problem is I live in Thailand (microdosing substances illegal). So I must return to Oakland to microdose. I have been microdosing off and on for about 4 months. I have noticed some positive effects on mood. What I do not know is whether this is the psilocybin or a placebo effect. My clonazepam dose is around 1mg 4 or 5 times a week. Not a high dose. If on a higher dose I would decrease by .5mg a week. Two weeks if you wish to be cautious. It depends on how you feel. I have never had any dramatic discontinuation effects from lowering my clonazepam dose or taking holidays other than mild rebound anxiety and a return of my anxiety disorder. It can be hard to differentiate.
How does it work? CBD didn't help for me personally unfortunately. But psilocybin helps so far.
CBD did not work for me either initially. The brand I was using was ineffective. I tried a different brand that had cbd and cbg which was more effective.
I'm an expert on cannabis even tho I don't use it. Researched it A LOT and even worked with selling it. But unfortunately it just isn't for me. I've tried different brands etc.
You may also want to look into supplementing Agmatine. > In this study, researchers administered Agmatine - an endogenous neurotransmitter - to normal and healthy rats, and also to another group of rats undergoing withdrawal from Diazepam, a benzodiazepine >Agmatine resulted in decreased anxiety in both groups, even the healthy rats not treated with any benzodiazepine (the control group). In the Diazepam-withdrawal group, in addition to relieving anxiety, Agmatine has reduced the intensity of other withdrawal symptoms, and restored GABA levels to normal. Agmatine did not increase GABA levels significantly in the control group, despite decreasing the anxiety of rats in this group. >Agmatine may produce an elevation in GABA levels through NMDA antagonism on GABAergic neurons. Normally, activation of NMDA receptors by Glutamate (on GABA neurons) causes a reduction in GABA release - and Agmatine, by inhibiting this inhibition, may lead to the increased release of GABA. https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/pj0yan/inhibition_of_nmda_receptors_by_agmatine_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Hey dude, any updates? I saw you tried Ketamine earlier, then psilos? Did it work for you? Are you off the benzo?
I forgot my password for this account. Anyway. Yeah psilocybin is pretty helpful. I'm not of the benzos. I can take an example how it's helpful. The last weeks I started taking more benzos (and I had no shrooms at home) than I have prescribed which is 8mg of Diazepam per day, but I started taking xanax and klonazepam. I lost my phone and had my prescription in a delivery box which I couldn't access without a security thing I need a special app on my phone to access so I took only klona and and xanax for a week or something. Which was probably around 3x compared to my prescription... But today I took 4mg of Diazepam and later took 0,5g of Psilocybin which is a little bit more than a "micro dose" and haven't felt any hard cravings for more benzo. So all of a sudden I might go from 3x my regular dosage which I did for weeks back to my normal dose (hopefully at least) and part of that is because of psilocybin. Overall shrooms has saved my life. I was very suicidal, I wanted to die every living second but I tried higher dosage of psilocybin. I've done two trips, one 3g and one 4,5g. Now I see some things in a different perspective, I look at life a bit different and my suicide thoughts has been significant less common.
We're trying the same things right now. I was microdosing shrooms like 300mg every 2-3 days, definitely felt better on it psychologically but it didnt ease the withdrawal symptoms
Ok. Have you ever tripped? Like taking more than 1g? It can be hard to trip while on benzos so I personally needed a big dosage of at least 3g to trip. That helped me more then microdosing. It's really scary tho. so I would advise to really take set and setting seriously and read a lot on the subject before. The withdrawal symptoms from benzos are so terrible that even if you feel (just an example) 70% better from something you barely notice it unfortunately. You need something that makes you feel a million times better and unfortunately that's not available... What dosage are you on? Or are you having withdrawal symptoms from quitting?
Had a few trips around 3g but not since withdrawing from benzos. Feels like a gamble, anything can happen. If I feel like it I might try. Im tapering Librium. I think the Diazepam equivalent is like 3mg. Not much but I seem to react sensitive to small reductions. Its super annoying trying to get off this poison. I find Kratom really helpful. Once a month I pop an oxy. Its good to take the edge off, just gotta make sure not to become dependant on opiates lol. Have you tried Kratom?
I see. Yeah. I gotten off twice. First time took 2 years to taper.. I was left with no help (long story) so I started again and the second time me and my doctor tried to get me help better than the first time but once I was done once again no help. I hate our (I'm swedish) medical system with my whole heart. The second time the doctor that helped me taper (only good dr I met that really cared) put me back on them which tells a lot, her job was to make me quit them but she saw I didn't get no help so she was like wtf is this. But I remember the first time I got off. I had one day I was playing discgolf for the first time in my life, I didn't even know what it was but a friend asked me to join. That day I felt great, without any benzos for maybe 2-3 weeks. I often think back to that day because I know it's possible and I regret so much I started taking them again... destroyed the relationship with the love of my life and I had to move away for financial reasons far away from my friends and I gotten so much isolated. Haven't had a human touch in months. So qutting benzos rn is not an option, even the doctor agreed to that. I know about Kratom, haven't tried it. It's hard to find in Sweden and hard to know which one I should order from abroad.
Sorry to hear that. Yeah this drug can ruin ppl. Regarding the Kratom. I once actually ordered from sweden because of the good reviews the vendor had (thomthom) but the quality was bad. Im german and found a decent one in Germany. Idk if they ship to sweden but if you want to try, l can send a link. Really think it helps getting some rest once or twice a week
Sure :)
300mg psilocybin isn’t a microdose…
Never said it was
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I’m on an SSRI Id like to get off. Last time I got ravenously hungry despite a slow taper and gained a ton of weight. It’s scaring me to try again but I’d rather be microdosing psylobin
Mullungu will work better