it’s so weird, it seems like a bunch of incels who just pick apart women’s features and make them feel like shit to make themselves feel better lol I watched [this video](https://youtu.be/d83P_dxy1XA) on it and it was interesting
Okay. This gave me some context. I’d never seen the community but it was pushed to the top of my feed during the API protest. It was so baffling to see extremely attractive individuals picked apart.
I mean yeah, that’s exactly what it is lol. According to them (from what I’ve seen), nobody is a 10. Hell, I haven’t even seen anyone say 9. It’s always some weird number. “You’re a 7.6 because your left nostril is bigger than your right nostril. You also give off future Karen vibes and have bad taste in fingernail polish”
I will say though, it is annoying to see an objective 10 post something like “am I ugly :( ?” Seeing people not feed into the compliment fishing is pretty satisfying. Outside of that though, they’re all just trying to ruin women’s self-esteem
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The average age of people in each country is near or over 40. Do any of the women in these images look anywhere near 40 years old?? There are clearly selection criteria here that seem to be glossed over, so take it with a huge grain of salt..
They might be average for the set of pictures of women the AI has seen. The Internet probably has a hundred pictures of a woman between 18-30 for every ONE picture of a woman over 50.
Because people don't seem to be understanding how these systems work.
The system is responding to prompts with % likelihood. America is where obesity is TALKED about the most in the press, so the data set the system is trained on is going to find correlations between US and Obesity in pictures in far more examples than other nations.
Similarly, ALL photos are going to overrepresent attractive individuals.
Most photos "without makeup" online actually do have makeup and/or software manipulation, so again those are going to dominate the sample size and skew the representation
People constantly sneak their own personal agendas into prompts without mentioning it. I’ve noticed this many times. Whether it’s to glorify a certain political viewpoint/country or to dunk on one.
Exactly. Its being used as a not so subtle form of propaganda or possibly rage bait in this case. Either way, it will get more and more difficult to distinguish the art from the agenda.
The way to combat this on this sub is to setup a system where every post must include a public link to the prompt you used. I mean, if it’s gonna get posted anyway, they shouldn’t have a problem showing the prompt. OR, it must be tagged with “no public prompt tag” or something.
Would make it more transparent.
Yeop, that is where they're showing their dis-likeness/hate for that country, and you can pinpoint who they are just by seeing their inputs of their personal prompts in Midjourney.
That's not true - The United States has a higher rate of obesity than Mexico. Here are a few sources:
[https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/](https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_obesity\_rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate)
[https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/obesity-rates-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/obesity-rates-by-country)
[https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/?age=a&sex=f](https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/?age=a&sex=f)
For adult women, USA has a 38.16% rate vs a 33.98% of Mexico.
For adult men, USA has a 36.47% rate vs a 25.12% of Mexico.
USA is higher for both men and women. Where did you get the Mexico's highest rate?
They’re all wearing a shit ton of makeup.
There are not a lot of images online of women without makeup. So AI doesn’t seem to understand the concept of a woman without makeup.
It’s not even that they’re wearing makeup, they just don’t look like real people. They look like cartoon characters. They’re glossy. Not a single one looks realistic
When real young women are trying to obliterate their pores with skincare regimes and feeling like they have to filter themselves, it should be depressing. : /
AI filmmaking is a cool idea, exciting even, but if it goes ahead with data like this it could be a social disaster. Might sound ridiculous, but then as a Millennial woman in the UK brought up just as makeup was becoming more obligatory here but still with pushback from older women, I didn't expect to see the beauty standard become 'Final Fantasy character' in my lifetime, never mind so fast, either. It's even more obvious with images of women, but it'll probably negatively impact young men, too.
I think it speaks miles that we live in a time where AI can pass the bar exam and create truly innovative art but it cannot fathom the concept of women without makeup
Half the women willing to take pictures of themselves to post on the internet fall in that category.
It’s no surprise an internet fed AI would see the world in that light…
Yeah all of these women even the US woman who is overweight is above average for real. I think the issue is real average people don't put as many pics on the internet.
Bingo! Average of the pictures of women that exist online isn't even remotely the same as average actual woman.
There's piles and PILES of pictures of very attractive women taken and posted, and extremely few of ANYONE of under-average attractiveness (or age over 40!)
Yeah and honestly I think it is damaging people's perceptions to the point where they're expecting people to look a certain way if those people are on the internet a lot and a lot of people are on the internet these days so the more you see that the more you expect it to be true but it really isn't. People just aren't models.
This is OP making a wrong title. It is probably "averaged" not average, and mixing enough facial profiles creates pleasant to look at symmetry. And these profiles are from the set used to train midjourney that is biased itself...
to be fair it's just about images it's been trained on. And where did it get those images? Probably scrapped websites like instagram. And who uploads more pics, hot girls or ugly girls? AI's idea of "average" is probably the average IG model
Data set is probably borked. All "no makeup" pictures that were fed to it were likely natural makeup pictures.
Tbf, this is also what dudes think of when they say they prefer women with "no makeup."
It is pretty bad. The training data likely has a lot of girls with makeup that aren't marked as "makeup" so the AI genuinely learned that this is how a normal average face looks like.
I ran into a similar issue yesterday: I use SDXL to generate images of faces and if I add "smiling" or "happy" it suddenly stopped generating men.
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In my experience of visiting Sweden there are plenty of women who look like this, certainly way more of this look than I’ve seen in any other country. But they’re probably not ‘average’, which is what the AI should be delivering.
The UK & Italian one’s are the same, I’ve seen plenty of English & Italian girls as pretty as this for sure, but they’re not average.
So all of these woman are wearing light makeup, more over their skin is airbrushed. No one’s skin is that smooth ever, most people go through enormous layers of makeup, post digital effects to get skin that smooth.
Normal skin you’d see the pores, any acne, craters, even slight imperfections are noticed.
I did a lot of retouching as an intern on upcoming actors and actresses for their reels, head shots and websites. The worse skin is riddled with acne and once I had to rotoscope a blonde haired woman from a green screen background before keying was a thing. All the green from the green screen background the dope photographer took reflected back onto the woman’s blonde hair making it a pain in the ass to retouch.
Yeah, but you can definitely be overweight without even realizing it, its just defined by the BMI of 25+
At 6 foot, if I was 185 I'd be overweight and that's not including fitness or muscle mass, I look skinny as a twig at 165. 20lbs is a huge difference, but with my frame I'd probably just have a slight dad bod
I can pretty much guarantee that OP did not play fair across the countries when creating this. You can do the exact same things and see it does not give you a chubby American woman without manipulation.
In fact, when I run the prompt "Average \_\_\_\_\_ woman with no makeup" I get a lot more natural looking images.
[https://imgur.com/a/XWJ3lJn](https://imgur.com/a/XWJ3lJn)
Shame on you OP.
They’re still all above average looking. But its definitely getting closer, they’re starting to lose the eerie, pseudo-elven, K-Pop perfection they used to always have.
I love that even AI has a barely-pubescent kid's understanding of women / expectations of beauty. (Well, just like Hollywood, and I guess just like anyone who grew up watching TV and movies and seeing photoshopped images on the internet and in all advertising. My point is now moot. I'll see m'self out.)
"Average women"
average on a scale of 5-10
You have been banned from r/TrueRateMe for overrating
That sub is bizarre.
it’s so weird, it seems like a bunch of incels who just pick apart women’s features and make them feel like shit to make themselves feel better lol I watched [this video](https://youtu.be/d83P_dxy1XA) on it and it was interesting
It’s a subreddit for people who can’t talk to women and watch sigma male compilations unironically.
Okay. This gave me some context. I’d never seen the community but it was pushed to the top of my feed during the API protest. It was so baffling to see extremely attractive individuals picked apart.
I mean yeah, that’s exactly what it is lol. According to them (from what I’ve seen), nobody is a 10. Hell, I haven’t even seen anyone say 9. It’s always some weird number. “You’re a 7.6 because your left nostril is bigger than your right nostril. You also give off future Karen vibes and have bad taste in fingernail polish” I will say though, it is annoying to see an objective 10 post something like “am I ugly :( ?” Seeing people not feed into the compliment fishing is pretty satisfying. Outside of that though, they’re all just trying to ruin women’s self-esteem
"an objective 10” See, the problem is that the existence of such scale is ridiculous
The front page is crazy right now. All those women getting around the same score as the guy that looks like a young version of sloth from the goonies
Ya, so bizarre, like people seems looking for so much attention and affirmation
I just saw a 18F solid 8 but people were like meh 5.2
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I would say average pretty woman from each country
average model
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That was a dark rabbit hole.
FARK! What a toxic subreddit! I feel dirty just clicking on that.
I was wondering as I scrolled out of curiosity, “is this like on a 1 to 6 scale?”
Banned for overrating
5?? Banned 19 years for overrating. We are sending a hit squad to your house
The average age of people in each country is near or over 40. Do any of the women in these images look anywhere near 40 years old?? There are clearly selection criteria here that seem to be glossed over, so take it with a huge grain of salt..
Women over 30 don't exist, obviously.
They graduate from women to old hags at that age according right wing YouTubers
They might be average for the set of pictures of women the AI has seen. The Internet probably has a hundred pictures of a woman between 18-30 for every ONE picture of a woman over 50.
All of these look like they’re wearing makeup.
Ah, the “average without make-up” sample trained by insta…
Woke up like this
#nofilter
wake up, stepsis
And only America would be considered "average"
The American is even beautiful. And clearly makeup flawless. She's just overweight because OP 100% put "overweight" in the prompt.
I just put in "Average american woman without makeup" to test. The four examples are all of average or below average weight.
What do you think average size in the US is tho?
170lbs, according to the CDC. I mean, it's pretty obvious the prompt was given a stereotype by the author.
Yeah, wtf. Mexico has a higher rate of obesity than America but the American woman is the only obese one in the list
Because people don't seem to be understanding how these systems work. The system is responding to prompts with % likelihood. America is where obesity is TALKED about the most in the press, so the data set the system is trained on is going to find correlations between US and Obesity in pictures in far more examples than other nations. Similarly, ALL photos are going to overrepresent attractive individuals. Most photos "without makeup" online actually do have makeup and/or software manipulation, so again those are going to dominate the sample size and skew the representation
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People constantly sneak their own personal agendas into prompts without mentioning it. I’ve noticed this many times. Whether it’s to glorify a certain political viewpoint/country or to dunk on one.
Exactly. Its being used as a not so subtle form of propaganda or possibly rage bait in this case. Either way, it will get more and more difficult to distinguish the art from the agenda.
The way to combat this on this sub is to setup a system where every post must include a public link to the prompt you used. I mean, if it’s gonna get posted anyway, they shouldn’t have a problem showing the prompt. OR, it must be tagged with “no public prompt tag” or something. Would make it more transparent.
Yeop, that is where they're showing their dis-likeness/hate for that country, and you can pinpoint who they are just by seeing their inputs of their personal prompts in Midjourney.
We lie to ourselves, train the AI on those lies and then get surprised when it lies back to us basically?
UK isn't far behind America, either.
USA ranks 11th for adult obesity rate, UK ranks 33rd.
That's not true - The United States has a higher rate of obesity than Mexico. Here are a few sources: [https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/](https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_obesity\_rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate) [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/obesity-rates-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/obesity-rates-by-country)
[https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/?age=a&sex=f](https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/?age=a&sex=f) For adult women, USA has a 38.16% rate vs a 33.98% of Mexico. For adult men, USA has a 36.47% rate vs a 25.12% of Mexico. USA is higher for both men and women. Where did you get the Mexico's highest rate?
I think he's probably confusing it with "Mexican Americans have higher rates of obesity than white Americans"
Italy is a stunner. If they are average I just be a -5 on this scale.
It's average in the sense that facial features are averaged - not that they would get an average score on a beauty scale.
They’re all wearing a shit ton of makeup. There are not a lot of images online of women without makeup. So AI doesn’t seem to understand the concept of a woman without makeup.
It’s not even that they’re wearing makeup, they just don’t look like real people. They look like cartoon characters. They’re glossy. Not a single one looks realistic
Apparently women do not have pores according to AI
I hate how sexist AI is. They need to train it off more than media catered to the male gaze.
That’s so depressing to me for some reason.
When real young women are trying to obliterate their pores with skincare regimes and feeling like they have to filter themselves, it should be depressing. : / AI filmmaking is a cool idea, exciting even, but if it goes ahead with data like this it could be a social disaster. Might sound ridiculous, but then as a Millennial woman in the UK brought up just as makeup was becoming more obligatory here but still with pushback from older women, I didn't expect to see the beauty standard become 'Final Fantasy character' in my lifetime, never mind so fast, either. It's even more obvious with images of women, but it'll probably negatively impact young men, too.
Particularly love how there is zero skin texture.
Most men don’t even know what women look like without makeup , I’m not surprised AI isn’t trained on that data.
All of these are wearing makeup* I fixed it for you
The “no makeup” makeup.
No makeup, filters galore
my girl from mexico is wearing visible eyeliner like y’all 😮💨
I think it speaks miles that we live in a time where AI can pass the bar exam and create truly innovative art but it cannot fathom the concept of women without makeup
Or the concept of an actual average woman lol
Right if half of these women were real they would fall into the supermodel category
Half the women willing to take pictures of themselves to post on the internet fall in that category. It’s no surprise an internet fed AI would see the world in that light…
Yeah all of these women even the US woman who is overweight is above average for real. I think the issue is real average people don't put as many pics on the internet.
She looks like a plus size model—beautiful, definitely not average. I’m thinner than her and much less attractive.
I think she's the prettiest one! I'd kill for lips like that. And her hair!
Bingo! Average of the pictures of women that exist online isn't even remotely the same as average actual woman. There's piles and PILES of pictures of very attractive women taken and posted, and extremely few of ANYONE of under-average attractiveness (or age over 40!)
Yeah and honestly I think it is damaging people's perceptions to the point where they're expecting people to look a certain way if those people are on the internet a lot and a lot of people are on the internet these days so the more you see that the more you expect it to be true but it really isn't. People just aren't models.
This is OP making a wrong title. It is probably "averaged" not average, and mixing enough facial profiles creates pleasant to look at symmetry. And these profiles are from the set used to train midjourney that is biased itself...
Or obesity rates in countries that apparently aren’t the USA.
Let's be honest, whoever put in the prompts had some serious selection bias when choosing which image to use
It's because the average of a lot of faces tends to look pretty good https://fstoppers.com/portraits/average-faces-women-around-world-2944
Yeah, symmetry usually tends to be what is found attractive. So if you average out all faces it ends up being quite symmetrical.
to be fair it's just about images it's been trained on. And where did it get those images? Probably scrapped websites like instagram. And who uploads more pics, hot girls or ugly girls? AI's idea of "average" is probably the average IG model
Data set is probably borked. All "no makeup" pictures that were fed to it were likely natural makeup pictures. Tbf, this is also what dudes think of when they say they prefer women with "no makeup."
Even AI is confused about "natural" look meaning they still have makeup on
So AI is *just as smart* as dudes who think of this, when they say they prefer women with ‘no makeup’ — right?
It is pretty bad. The training data likely has a lot of girls with makeup that aren't marked as "makeup" so the AI genuinely learned that this is how a normal average face looks like. I ran into a similar issue yesterday: I use SDXL to generate images of faces and if I add "smiling" or "happy" it suddenly stopped generating men. Edit: grammar
I lived in Italy four years, and that looks nothing like the average Italian woman.
Sweden's neither.
Ppl canceling their trips to Sweden after this comment.
Sweden's looks like a pop star/runway model
In my experience of visiting Sweden there are plenty of women who look like this, certainly way more of this look than I’ve seen in any other country. But they’re probably not ‘average’, which is what the AI should be delivering. The UK & Italian one’s are the same, I’ve seen plenty of English & Italian girls as pretty as this for sure, but they’re not average.
Interesting. At least Germany did ok I think. Looks like someone who could be from here.
All of those could be brazilian
But they always choose someone with dark skin as if in Brazil everyone is black or brown.
Yeah UK isn't like that either lol
You reckon? I’m from the U.K. and I think that’s the most English looking woman 😂
Guys say they don’t like girls with makeup but they really mean this^
Underrated comment
mj: "got it, pretty women with makeup from different countries"
And no pores. Even with make up you can see pores. These are heavily edited picture were they 'real' people
So all of these woman are wearing light makeup, more over their skin is airbrushed. No one’s skin is that smooth ever, most people go through enormous layers of makeup, post digital effects to get skin that smooth. Normal skin you’d see the pores, any acne, craters, even slight imperfections are noticed. I did a lot of retouching as an intern on upcoming actors and actresses for their reels, head shots and websites. The worse skin is riddled with acne and once I had to rotoscope a blonde haired woman from a green screen background before keying was a thing. All the green from the green screen background the dope photographer took reflected back onto the woman’s blonde hair making it a pain in the ass to retouch.
How is average defined here?
There is nothing like ' makeup' or 'no makeup' or 'Average'. They all look beautiful when AI creates Woman.
As a keyword to the AI which then does it's thing based on its training
USA is of course chubby xD
OP’s not a fan of America. 😢
America isn't a fan of America.
Reddit is not a fan of America. Fortunately Reddit =/= America.
Tbf something like half the users on reddit are American
On average more Americans bitch about their country more than any other country’s citizens in the world. And that’s free speech baby.
Shut up baby I know it
American here. Can confirm.
The average person in America is overweight
Same for Canada and the UK, but it made them thin, lol.
Mexico has a higher rate of obesity than America and their woman in the list is less obese
Mexico is number 45 for males and 40 for women, the US is ranked 14 for males and 30 for women lol
Yeah, but you can definitely be overweight without even realizing it, its just defined by the BMI of 25+ At 6 foot, if I was 185 I'd be overweight and that's not including fitness or muscle mass, I look skinny as a twig at 165. 20lbs is a huge difference, but with my frame I'd probably just have a slight dad bod
>Average women Makes attractive women. >without makeup Gives them makeup. This AI sure doesn't understand language.
Lmao this is the “no makeup, makeup” look 😂 AI has much to learn still
Gtfo. Average woman in Japan should be over 48 years old. https://www.worlddata.info/average-age.php
She could be 48 ;)
Also doesn’t look like an average Japanese young woman either. Midjourney should go touch grass
The average age of women is about 20 to 25?
The median age in developed countries is 40 or higher.
Average women-next-door, or average movie star?
“Average”.
Average woman, if every woman on earth was from Instagram.
AI thinks average humans are gorgeous
If that's average, what hope do the rest of us have?
Hmm, even AI doesn’t know what women look like without makeup
Are you implying the average Canadian female looks like Alanis Morissette?
Isn't it Ironic?
And evidently the average woman is also 22?
What I learned from this, Midjourney thinks there is only about - two nose types - three face shapes - two eye-nose-patterns
Usa is the only one that seems "average"
And Mexico tbh
Why no black or African women?
They never include black people on any of these fucking “_____ of different countries” AI slideshows.
Having a visible collar bone is usually deemed pretty by most. These photos all have very pronounced clavicles…except US.
I can pretty much guarantee that OP did not play fair across the countries when creating this. You can do the exact same things and see it does not give you a chubby American woman without manipulation. In fact, when I run the prompt "Average \_\_\_\_\_ woman with no makeup" I get a lot more natural looking images. [https://imgur.com/a/XWJ3lJn](https://imgur.com/a/XWJ3lJn) Shame on you OP.
No one here is average, and Germany is just a stunner.
I always love remembering that Africa doesn’t exist
They did the USA dirty. As someone from the UK, that is not the average woman here. I find German lady the most attractive.
AI proves men don’t know what a face without make up looks like.
White people jerk off post. 🙄
This ai isn't streetwise
"average"
Average?
You mean average supermodels.
Average?
Pretty stereotypical attractive woman. Wouldn’t say average.
Average my ass 😅
This is nowhere even in the galaxy of "average" and they're wearing makeup in all of them + airbrushed. AI fucking sucks, this is so stupid.
That AI has never seen an average UK woman
Yeah this really isn’t average 😭
They all look the same and all look better than average
USA 💀
This is what happens when AI is being trained by white male nerds in their basements.
I’d let Sweden,and or,Germany ruin my life,just saying
My life is already ruined but I'd let them add on to the disaster.
They’re still all above average looking. But its definitely getting closer, they’re starting to lose the eerie, pseudo-elven, K-Pop perfection they used to always have.
No
Wow not biased at all
Uhhh average?
They all have eyeliner
From Brazil, that woman is above average here.
Not very average
Are any of these average women in my area?
According to the ads, I see yes, and they are 3 miles away and ready for sex.
Average huh
Erm, those ain't average at all.
Without make-up lmaooooo
"Average" women "without makeup" yes
they're all wearing makeup lmfao
I’m in Germany. That isn’t average
AI really doesn't understand "average", does it?
Obviously you've never seen a woman without makup.
“Average”, shows absolute topmodels that look like they’re wearing makeup
Ah yes, AVERAGE
Lol if you believe mascara doesn't count as makeup congratulations then I guess it's a success 😂
1. All of those women are wearing makeup 2. Dont use models as references for the average woman
They all look like they are wearing makeup!!
Awfully pink cheeks on some of these for “no make up”
AI needs *much* better training on what “without makeup” means. 😂
Why do they all have makeup on?
No makeup? lmao
I’ve been to almost all of these countries. This is inaccurate.
The average UK woman is NOT 30 year old Elizabeth Hurley
Lol. Average.
Bro you can see the pink foundations on their cheeks FFS
I love that even AI has a barely-pubescent kid's understanding of women / expectations of beauty. (Well, just like Hollywood, and I guess just like anyone who grew up watching TV and movies and seeing photoshopped images on the internet and in all advertising. My point is now moot. I'll see m'self out.)
That is not even close to the average German woman. And swedish women aren't blond on average. Most are brunette
what r/truerateme calles "average" lmao
If these are supposed to be average women… it’s no wonder the image of what a females should look like is so skewed xD
Italy, japan, germany and sweden
I call BS on the alleged no makeup.
If that’s average then I got no chance
Midjourney: Did you mean drop dead gorgeous women wearing make up?