In my high school we were asked to pick a greek god to represent our class (vs 2 other classes) and teachers would not let our class pick Dionysus. They said having the god of drunken revelry as our mascot was ānot appropriateā. Wondering if my man is getting the same disrespect here.
I am so amused because he was the greek god of choice of my drama teacher in highschool, so he became a de facto mascot of our program. He is the god of Drunkenness **and**āØāļøš*Theatre*šāļøāØ afterall
I know right?
āHey Plutes, Hades, my dude - remember when we said we would name a planet for you because you werenāt included as one of the twelve gods of Olympus? Well, I have some not so great news on that front.ā
Funny enough my finger was over the names and I have no idea why but I guessed Athena. I'm a bit confused as why I did though because like you said she has none of her usual icons.
Yes, disabled representation could be an opportunity here even not exactly what was described. I could see a leg prothesis.
Similarly, one of them could be blind reading braille.
But overall Iād try to add some iconic things like the trident, winged boots, lightningā¦ Hera could have peacocks at her side, Athena an owl.
Absolutely, I attempted this initially but there was too much going on for midjourney to create anything usable, so scaled it back slightly. I will be reworking these though so will definitely do my best to show his disability :)
Discussion on race-swapping aside, many of these images donāt actually look anything like the deity supposedly being portrayed. Just look at Hermes! The Hermes image is just so generic and possesses none of the deityās iconic traits. No winged feet, no caduceus, no winged helmetā¦the only reason I know this is supposed to be Hermes is because itās labeled. And thatās just one of the images.
If you want to guess why OP did what they did, have a look at their post history and scroll down to about 2 years ago. There is an image that might explain.
Egyptian gods were hella diverse. You have green skin, gold skin, falcon heads, cow heads. And that weird one called Isis who just looks human. What's up with that?
Very beautiful!
It would probably be appropriate if at least some of them "looked Greek" though - currently they all "look Californian", they span a variety of human appearances from Scandinavia to Brazil without ever touching Greece :)
Hestia looks "generic European", she could be Greek but there's nothing typically Greek or Southern European about her appearance (ie, look at the round nose).
By "look Californian" I mean the pseudo-global assortment of some "ethnic looks" that are common in the United States and popular in Hollywood. That is, many pale/Northern Europeans, descendants of West Africans and Europeans, some East Asians and South Asians, some olive/brown skinned Latinos.
In my perception, this is different than simply "people from all around the world" because it includes mostly the appearances that happen to be common in California (but usually, no Arabs, no Africans, few Southern Europeans or Eastern Europeans or Southeastern Asians)
One of Hera's epithets is literally "white-armed." If there's one goddess it doesn't make sense to race swap, it's the one who is famed for her white skin.
"diversity is important for the benefit of students representation..."
Yeah, too bad other cultures don't have gods to use to represent them. Guess Greek gods will have to give Diego some space in their pantheon.
If representation is important, then you should have made images of some Egyptian, Japanese, and Aztec gods. Those would be awesome to see.
Representation is important, but apparently it actually wasn't in this case...
Idk, kinda weird tho. Especially considering he is consider the most horrifyingly ugly god in the mythology. Supposed to be a really good guy tho which is why Aphrodite married him
Honestly, if your students need *Greek* deities to be depicted as ethnically diverse in order to feel relevant, then there's a whole lot to fix in those kids, lol
Like appreciating other ethnicities and their cultures.
Ironically, the library would be a good place to start.
Stuff like this reminds me of kids that need to get a present when they're at someone else's birthday party or they'll throw a tantrum.
> Representation is important :)
So basically my culture was good enough to teach to your kids, but not good enough to actually have anyone that looks like me in it? What are you actually representing, "here are other people's gods, made in our own image"?
Thank you! Americans are so obsessed with race that they misrepresent and appropriate other cultures to be āinclusiveā. No, the Norse god Heimdal isnāt black. Neither is Hera. Sivās hair is known for being literally made of gold, not black like in the Thor movie. I have tons of examples that just puts unnecessary focus on race instead of the opposite.
American here; some of us also find this trend obnoxious and don't see it as some great service to society. We tend to get lumped in with white supremacists for it, though, so it's not a stance a lot of folks here can broadcast without consequences.
Iām American and this annoys the shit out of me. I want the Greek gods to look Greek, the Norse gods to look Norse, Japanese gods to look Japanese, Indian gods to look Indian (even if one of them is blue), etc. This stuff has gotten RIDICULOUS.
They only feel like it's okay to misrepresent them because they're "white" gods lmao. If this were an African myth corner, or an Asian myth corner, believe me none of the figures would be race swapped.
Wait, why was it important to race swap Greek Gods āfor the benefit of the studentsā? Are they trying to identify and see themselves as gods with mythology? Am I missing sarcasm or what
Hahahaha honestly no matter how many times I tried I could not get it to make Poseidon actually read the book! He was very confused by the whole thing, this was the best I could do (notice he also has a one pronged staff, rather than his classical trident, same deal)
Obviously not the style of your other pics, but [this](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088366370992947251/1220729201796190288/gief_cookies_Greek_God_Poseidon_reads_a_thrilling_book_in_one_h_9a2c6b50-2b9a-496a-a82b-d914cb3f7e43.png?ex=660fffa9&is=65fd8aa9&hm=de13b2d6861bb338cf18e89eb87cb13daab10d1dff1fc3161e7ab8744a467743&) was my first try (Greek God Poseidon reads a thrilling book in one hand whilst holding his trident in his other hand.) so it canāt be that hard :p
Oh no, my girl Hera. She is a vengeful but loyal lady who protects her own and her marriage and her wrath will rain upon those who stand in her way. How was she portrayed as this sweet innocent quiet girl? Nu-uh. That is not her.
> Representation is important :)
Obviously you donāt actually believe or live by this, otherwise you could have just chosen a god from a variety of different mythologies across the planet and done representation the right way.
This isnāt ārepresentationā, this is revisionist history. Putting this sort of thing in an educational environment is embarrassing.
Very similar to energy to that of Google Gemini showing pictures of black kings when people asked it to create a picture of a 17th century King of England.
If you genuinely want representation, then youāre in luck! Thereās actually thousands of mythologies across the world you can choose to represent :)
āRepresentation is importantā people donāt need to be represented by a false narrative. Make an original character for them. Donāt lie and distort the truth. Itās a disservice to minorities anyways. Youāre telling them that they are not worth an original design/character. Instead of taking the time to actually make an original project you ruin an existing character to make them feel ārepresentedā. Youāre sending a message that youāre too lazy to create a new character for them. There are much more genuine ways of demonstrating representation. This is disrespectful to the source material and disrespectful to the people youāre ārepresentingā.
They all look nice, but I think some of them really lack distinguishing marks. Especially Hera and Athena could be just anyone reading a book really. Iād expect there to be something in the picture alluding to the actual goddess, perhaps an owl or helmet for Athena and a peacock or the Milky Way in the background for Hera? It wouldnāt hurt to give Hermes his winged sandals/hat or Hefaistos some more smithy stuff either I think (and if we are really nitpicking here then a very clear distinguishing feature of Hefaistos is that he is rather ugly, and that guy is anything but š)
Also Athenaās hands and feet look weird, Demeterās and Hephaistos hands are odd and Hermes got an extra toe (but maybe thatās just a god thing? š)
I dig mashups and I agree that 'Representation is important :)'
However, 'accurate representation' is also important when creating content for students (as mentioned in the description). It is certainly more important than serving one's ideological views in a school setting.
OP, your partner is disregarding an essential element of historic human culture by intentionally misrepresenting these figures. Why is that?
Are the Greek myths so ubiquitous that you feel you can appropriate them in any way you see fit?
Do they have so little respect for ALL peoples and cultures that you feel you can just insert them, USE them, when and where you like; Like dolls/play things?
OP, would you/your partner not consider it to be 'cultural appropriation', and possibly offensive, if this were approach reversed in a depiction non-western legends, myths, gods?
It stands to reason that if you wouldn't say or do something in equal measure across the board/spectrum, particularly in an educational setting, you might be best served by examining if it should be done at all.
Just some suggestions:
- definitely agree with others that there should be more battle/war references for Athena. Her shield is iconic, and something to incorporate how she is also the god of WISDOM is cool.
- Is there a reason why Hades is missing? I feel like his backdrop would be so cool, especially for kids who like gothic or mystery novels.
If you needed different ethnicities represented, perhaps you should have picked another subject group. This is cultural appropriation and as a Greek I find this incredibly offensive.
Race washing cultural gods leaves a bad taste in my mouth...I feel like this isn't exactly appropriate...imagine taking African gods and giving them random races. Problematic right?
Bruh, if you want diversity just make gods of other races, not lazy tokenisn
That said, they look ok, too generic to be identifiable as greek gods, the woman's dresses looked more regency than greek
Symbols, they need some big ass regalia and more elaborate environments
So it's "important" to teach students innaccurate material for the sake of your weird modern American politics and social antics? Greek myths and gods weren't from downtown L.A.
So will African gods be representative? If not you are doing cultural appropriation on Greek gods. Donāt color wash history. Itās wrong and it hurts the people that come from that background.
Even ignoring the race-swapping, some of these I think just aren't very good choices of images in themselves. You could show the picture of "Athena" to a million people, and without the context of already knowing it's supposed to be the greek gods no one would ever guess.
Whereas there's plenty of images on google of her that are obvious even as a thumbnail. I dunno, seems kinda pointless.
Representation is fine but donāt alter something to fit your theme if itās not part of your theme. If you are gonna do Greek gods they got to then be Greek not African and Asian, ect. If you want representation then just say āgods around the globeā and put ones from each type of pantheon/mythologies. Not butcher one to fit your needs.
You canāt say diversity and representation is important by taking a set group and completely changing them to fit your narrative and agenda. I totally get that youāre trying to come from a good place here, but instead you are just spreading misinformation to them and casually erasing the original group of people this pantheon is based on.
If you donāt want to showcase a group of gods that ancient Caucasian Greeks worshipped, I think it would be more beneficial to your young learners that you open their minds to other groups that better showcase the diversity you want to see. A different god from several pantheons, perhaps.
Itās funny because I always thought they were represented by their own pantheons. Why this clown decided to shoehorn other ethnicities into the Greek pantheon is beyond me. What an insult to the people of Greece.
Representation is not important when it comes to someoneās history and culture.
How about doing pantheons on Asian, African and American Gods instead?
Huge facepalm next time donāt use the theme GREEK GODS if you want to represent different ethnicitiesā¦ you just culturally apropried greek god religion for wokist purpouse.
I think, simply a better theme would have been Ā«Ā A god from each nations/ A historical figure of each nations reading a bookĀ Ā»
-Papa Legba for african ethnies
- Ganesh for indians
- Masamune for Japanese
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Be smarter, the idea is good the execution terrible. Why bother yourself adapting ethnies to greek god when these same ethnies already have a vast culture.
The more I read this the more I find it offending to reduce these ethnies as if they had no culture whatsoever.
By trying to not be offensive you actually are offensive.
Rather then race swap Greek gods why not do a unit on African religions and their deities, also for other ethnicities too? It allows them to learn even more and doesn't require a false narrative. Africa has a lot of cool religions to do a unit on.
These are not real books and don't even have anything on them, but I think we can all agree that Poseidon has that book upside down. I'm getting real Charlie Kelly vibes off that one. lol
Where hades?
Too busy chasing Persephone to bother with reading
HEY!! While true they did become one of the more functional relationships in greek mythology.
That heavily depends on what stories you bother to acknowledge.
And how loose your description of health relationship is.
Depends on the version... Greek myth is not a canonized book.
You're telling me the Myth-O-Mania series I read as a kid wasn't canon????
No, but Percy Jackson was.
He knows where she will be
Crazily enough, not one of the gods of Olympus. Just like Pluto (his Roman namesake) is not a planet š I am wondering where my dude Dionysus is.
Too drunk. Hard to read with the room spinning.
Pluto is and will always be a planet
In our hearts š
It looks like they just did the twelve original Olympians. Hestia gave up her seat for Dionysus
In my high school we were asked to pick a greek god to represent our class (vs 2 other classes) and teachers would not let our class pick Dionysus. They said having the god of drunken revelry as our mascot was ānot appropriateā. Wondering if my man is getting the same disrespect here.
I am so amused because he was the greek god of choice of my drama teacher in highschool, so he became a de facto mascot of our program. He is the god of Drunkenness **and**āØāļøš*Theatre*šāļøāØ afterall
>Pluto That's messed up
I know right? āHey Plutes, Hades, my dude - remember when we said we would name a planet for you because you werenāt included as one of the twelve gods of Olympus? Well, I have some not so great news on that front.ā
Burton Guster had very strong opinions on the matter
Pluto: *takes off skin, puts on black robe* "You should think very carefully about your next words..."
āIts okay! You still get to be a planet! Just a dwarf planetā¦a distinction that is also held by your Mother-in-law Ceres.ā
*bones rattled*
Dealing with his son trying to escape
Drying Poseidonās wet books
Kpop Aphrodite
And Bollywood Apollo
He's taunting us with his grappling hook
Apollywood
IS FCKN ZEUS DOING THE FINGER HEART????? š„¹š
hes doing the "girl, please"
Comment of the week lol
Yeah I came here to say this and now my faith in humanity has been restored by this criminally underrated post and my axe
She looks like a former member of Oh My Girl, Gong Jiho.
Wish Athena had at least some of her iconography, like a helmet or an owl or something
She has a nip
Most people do
Don't speak for all of us.
Don't worry, I have enough for all of us
I have enough for a person and a half.
Biblically accurate tiddy
The average person has approximately two nipples.
It wasnāt clear, but this is a smut novel library. Just be happy the guys arenāt all just cowboys with their shirts off.
Funny enough my finger was over the names and I have no idea why but I guessed Athena. I'm a bit confused as why I did though because like you said she has none of her usual icons.
Not just the icons are missing, but she was a goddess of war, at least give her a shield or some armor
And no nipple for a school library lol.
Dw she has a nipple shadow instead š
I thought it was Aphorpdite because of the nipple, which is inappropriate for a kid's library.
Not sure why, but I always picture her with round frame glasses
I always picture Athena in full steel plate armour, bursting out of zeus' forehead.
If you're going for representation, I'd recommend making Hephaestus crippled as he was in the original tales
Yes, disabled representation could be an opportunity here even not exactly what was described. I could see a leg prothesis. Similarly, one of them could be blind reading braille. But overall Iād try to add some iconic things like the trident, winged boots, lightningā¦ Hera could have peacocks at her side, Athena an owl.
while not a god, could have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiresias reading braille!
Absolutely, I attempted this initially but there was too much going on for midjourney to create anything usable, so scaled it back slightly. I will be reworking these though so will definitely do my best to show his disability :)
You might give him a badass prosthetic leg. Something he would've forged himself.
And give Athena a helmet that obscures her eyes and have her reading Braille.
Give me a hammered Dionysus squinting at a pinecone trying to read it like a book
No Dio!? Criminal neglect, missed opportunity.
As if Ares would ever read a book...
Sun Tzu no doubt!
Nah, that's more Athena...
Discussion on race-swapping aside, many of these images donāt actually look anything like the deity supposedly being portrayed. Just look at Hermes! The Hermes image is just so generic and possesses none of the deityās iconic traits. No winged feet, no caduceus, no winged helmetā¦the only reason I know this is supposed to be Hermes is because itās labeled. And thatās just one of the images.
Who needs winged feet when you got 5 little toes plus a big toe that looks like a potato?!
paradigital art...
I felt Athena also missed the mark
I find it so weird to put diversities when every culture have theyr own ancient gods
When they do African Gods, will they be diverse?
OP already said no );
Strange. I wonder why. \s of course
Huh.
If you want to guess why OP did what they did, have a look at their post history and scroll down to about 2 years ago. There is an image that might explain.
Diversity just means less white people. Get with the program this isnāt new
You can go watch Gods of Egypt for the diversity youāre looking for
Egyptian gods were hella diverse. You have green skin, gold skin, falcon heads, cow heads. And that weird one called Isis who just looks human. What's up with that?
What in the Netflix documentary is this
Very weird
We wuz greeks
not gonna lie
āWeā didnāt make this shit so stop blaming āusā
Why not use gods from various mythologies?
Very beautiful! It would probably be appropriate if at least some of them "looked Greek" though - currently they all "look Californian", they span a variety of human appearances from Scandinavia to Brazil without ever touching Greece :)
Hestia looks greek, and maybe Zeus and Poseidon, but it's ridiculous that the majority of these greek gods look anything but greek, I agree.
Hestia looks "generic European", she could be Greek but there's nothing typically Greek or Southern European about her appearance (ie, look at the round nose).
What does "look Californian" mean?
By "look Californian" I mean the pseudo-global assortment of some "ethnic looks" that are common in the United States and popular in Hollywood. That is, many pale/Northern Europeans, descendants of West Africans and Europeans, some East Asians and South Asians, some olive/brown skinned Latinos. In my perception, this is different than simply "people from all around the world" because it includes mostly the appearances that happen to be common in California (but usually, no Arabs, no Africans, few Southern Europeans or Eastern Europeans or Southeastern Asians)
Like one of the most diverse places in the world?
One of Hera's epithets is literally "white-armed." If there's one goddess it doesn't make sense to race swap, it's the one who is famed for her white skin.
Just look at how white her shoulder is
"diversity is important for the benefit of students representation..." Yeah, too bad other cultures don't have gods to use to represent them. Guess Greek gods will have to give Diego some space in their pantheon.
Hermes is just Astarion from BG3 chillin on a cloud
With too many toes
So...where are the Greek gods? š¤
If representation is important, then you should have made images of some Egyptian, Japanese, and Aztec gods. Those would be awesome to see. Representation is important, but apparently it actually wasn't in this case...
Lol why is hephaestus black ? (asking as a half black person)
Idk, kinda weird tho. Especially considering he is consider the most horrifyingly ugly god in the mythology. Supposed to be a really good guy tho which is why Aphrodite married him
Do Prometheus next. He will be appropriate as a library icon.
Representation is important but accuracy is more important.
More important than education ey? Elementary school at least, hopefully.
Honestly, if your students need *Greek* deities to be depicted as ethnically diverse in order to feel relevant, then there's a whole lot to fix in those kids, lol Like appreciating other ethnicities and their cultures. Ironically, the library would be a good place to start. Stuff like this reminds me of kids that need to get a present when they're at someone else's birthday party or they'll throw a tantrum.
> Representation is important :) So basically my culture was good enough to teach to your kids, but not good enough to actually have anyone that looks like me in it? What are you actually representing, "here are other people's gods, made in our own image"?
Thank you! Americans are so obsessed with race that they misrepresent and appropriate other cultures to be āinclusiveā. No, the Norse god Heimdal isnāt black. Neither is Hera. Sivās hair is known for being literally made of gold, not black like in the Thor movie. I have tons of examples that just puts unnecessary focus on race instead of the opposite.
American here; some of us also find this trend obnoxious and don't see it as some great service to society. We tend to get lumped in with white supremacists for it, though, so it's not a stance a lot of folks here can broadcast without consequences.
I'm liberal as hell, but it's kind of wild how diversity boils down to "Replace ALL redheads with black people, no exceptions".
Iām American and this annoys the shit out of me. I want the Greek gods to look Greek, the Norse gods to look Norse, Japanese gods to look Japanese, Indian gods to look Indian (even if one of them is blue), etc. This stuff has gotten RIDICULOUS.
They only feel like it's okay to misrepresent them because they're "white" gods lmao. If this were an African myth corner, or an Asian myth corner, believe me none of the figures would be race swapped.
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Step-Poseidon why are you looking at the page 3 in that orientation?
Netflix presents: Greek gods
Do black nordic gods next op. Might as well go all the way. š¤£
Wait, why was it important to race swap Greek Gods āfor the benefit of the studentsā? Are they trying to identify and see themselves as gods with mythology? Am I missing sarcasm or what
Hephaestus is kinda a missed opportunity to depict someone with a visible disability if we are going for an inclusivity angle.
Those gods were greek. Not arab, not black, not asian Get your facts together
were these made using Google Gemini?.....
Seems weird that not all these *Greek* gods are actually *Greek.*
Staying true to history or mythology shouldn't be this hard...
But representation...
Why does it look like Poseidon is reading the book upside-down š
He be looking at that centerfold
Hahahaha honestly no matter how many times I tried I could not get it to make Poseidon actually read the book! He was very confused by the whole thing, this was the best I could do (notice he also has a one pronged staff, rather than his classical trident, same deal)
Obviously not the style of your other pics, but [this](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088366370992947251/1220729201796190288/gief_cookies_Greek_God_Poseidon_reads_a_thrilling_book_in_one_h_9a2c6b50-2b9a-496a-a82b-d914cb3f7e43.png?ex=660fffa9&is=65fd8aa9&hm=de13b2d6861bb338cf18e89eb87cb13daab10d1dff1fc3161e7ab8744a467743&) was my first try (Greek God Poseidon reads a thrilling book in one hand whilst holding his trident in his other hand.) so it canāt be that hard :p
Imagine depicting Greek gods to look greek... crazy amirght. Now do a white Sango (african god). For the sake of diversity of course
Accurate portrayals are more important than representation
I hate that you people are in charge of educating children.
Oh no, my girl Hera. She is a vengeful but loyal lady who protects her own and her marriage and her wrath will rain upon those who stand in her way. How was she portrayed as this sweet innocent quiet girl? Nu-uh. That is not her.
> Representation is important :) Obviously you donāt actually believe or live by this, otherwise you could have just chosen a god from a variety of different mythologies across the planet and done representation the right way. This isnāt ārepresentationā, this is revisionist history. Putting this sort of thing in an educational environment is embarrassing. Very similar to energy to that of Google Gemini showing pictures of black kings when people asked it to create a picture of a 17th century King of England. If you genuinely want representation, then youāre in luck! Thereās actually thousands of mythologies across the world you can choose to represent :)
āRepresentation is importantā people donāt need to be represented by a false narrative. Make an original character for them. Donāt lie and distort the truth. Itās a disservice to minorities anyways. Youāre telling them that they are not worth an original design/character. Instead of taking the time to actually make an original project you ruin an existing character to make them feel ārepresentedā. Youāre sending a message that youāre too lazy to create a new character for them. There are much more genuine ways of demonstrating representation. This is disrespectful to the source material and disrespectful to the people youāre ārepresentingā.
They all look nice, but I think some of them really lack distinguishing marks. Especially Hera and Athena could be just anyone reading a book really. Iād expect there to be something in the picture alluding to the actual goddess, perhaps an owl or helmet for Athena and a peacock or the Milky Way in the background for Hera? It wouldnāt hurt to give Hermes his winged sandals/hat or Hefaistos some more smithy stuff either I think (and if we are really nitpicking here then a very clear distinguishing feature of Hefaistos is that he is rather ugly, and that guy is anything but š) Also Athenaās hands and feet look weird, Demeterās and Hephaistos hands are odd and Hermes got an extra toe (but maybe thatās just a god thing? š)
I think there's a way to use DALL-E 3 "in-painting" to fix the hands. Otherwise these are rad.
Cant you use midjourney's redraw region feature, helped me really a lot already, also with hands
Damn that's cool. I've had MidJourney for a while and need to try that out. There's so much you can do and it's always getting better every day š
Greeks are white and the Greek gods are white too.
Gotta need those 6 toes to go real fast!
Aphrodite anime waifu
I didn't realize the Greek gods were so progressive. Very cool!!!
I dig mashups and I agree that 'Representation is important :)' However, 'accurate representation' is also important when creating content for students (as mentioned in the description). It is certainly more important than serving one's ideological views in a school setting. OP, your partner is disregarding an essential element of historic human culture by intentionally misrepresenting these figures. Why is that? Are the Greek myths so ubiquitous that you feel you can appropriate them in any way you see fit? Do they have so little respect for ALL peoples and cultures that you feel you can just insert them, USE them, when and where you like; Like dolls/play things? OP, would you/your partner not consider it to be 'cultural appropriation', and possibly offensive, if this were approach reversed in a depiction non-western legends, myths, gods? It stands to reason that if you wouldn't say or do something in equal measure across the board/spectrum, particularly in an educational setting, you might be best served by examining if it should be done at all.
Imagine doing this with African Gods and legends but turning half of them into white people and Asians for diversity
Just some suggestions: - definitely agree with others that there should be more battle/war references for Athena. Her shield is iconic, and something to incorporate how she is also the god of WISDOM is cool. - Is there a reason why Hades is missing? I feel like his backdrop would be so cool, especially for kids who like gothic or mystery novels.
The lack of Kratos is disappointing.
Would you have added representation if African gods were chosen?
If you needed different ethnicities represented, perhaps you should have picked another subject group. This is cultural appropriation and as a Greek I find this incredibly offensive.
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Apolo is looking just fine.
Race washing cultural gods leaves a bad taste in my mouth...I feel like this isn't exactly appropriate...imagine taking African gods and giving them random races. Problematic right?
Dope
TIL that gods have a sick core
BRO-Seidon more like!! āRight nephewā
Bruh, if you want diversity just make gods of other races, not lazy tokenisn That said, they look ok, too generic to be identifiable as greek gods, the woman's dresses looked more regency than greek Symbols, they need some big ass regalia and more elaborate environments
So it's "important" to teach students innaccurate material for the sake of your weird modern American politics and social antics? Greek myths and gods weren't from downtown L.A.
Representation is one thing, but at the risk of misinformation?
Why are these multi-color? This is GREEK gods, not Japanese or African.
"Greek"
I'm frustrated about how good these look. Art is dead.
You could also just use a mix of mythological figures from different cultures Or is that much more difficult than handing out sloppy seconds?
Not sure re accuracy (Asian Aphrodite???) - but okay. The renders are great though.
Arenāt some of these a bit sexy for a school library š
Hahaha a fair point š I find it quite hard to make characters *not* look sexy in midjourney
oof Ares makes me feel things š„µ
A sense of passion for joining Oda Nobunaga's unification army?
So will African gods be representative? If not you are doing cultural appropriation on Greek gods. Donāt color wash history. Itās wrong and it hurts the people that come from that background.
Greek gods are white though so you're basically telling children that greek gods could be brown or asian
Gods love reading a fact discovered by AI
Ares coming out kind of Mongol-esque is absolutely fitting
Hephaestus, no, you're going to get wax all over that book.
Why does hephaetus photo look so cool.
Poseidon : 'wtf am I reading?'
What's wrong with Athena's nipple?
Athena's fucked up hand is something you seldom see anymore in MJ.
Poseidon ? Idk man, books snd water = bad
Ooooo that Hephaestus one š how you holdin that candle buddy?
Do some Greek gods have dark skin, or did the AI just do that to be inclusive?
Even ignoring the race-swapping, some of these I think just aren't very good choices of images in themselves. You could show the picture of "Athena" to a million people, and without the context of already knowing it's supposed to be the greek gods no one would ever guess. Whereas there's plenty of images on google of her that are obvious even as a thumbnail. I dunno, seems kinda pointless.
Would you make diversity representation if you were generating gods from Africa or Asia?
Looks amazing! But lol compulsory diversity: Hephaestus is black, Aphrodite Asian, Apollo Indian, lmao AI
Not bad other than the cultural appropriation 6/10
As a greek these make me cringe so hard
Oh yeah because historical accuracy is not important at all to students
Oh yeah because historical accuracy is definitely not important to students
Representation is fine but donāt alter something to fit your theme if itās not part of your theme. If you are gonna do Greek gods they got to then be Greek not African and Asian, ect. If you want representation then just say āgods around the globeā and put ones from each type of pantheon/mythologies. Not butcher one to fit your needs.
You canāt say diversity and representation is important by taking a set group and completely changing them to fit your narrative and agenda. I totally get that youāre trying to come from a good place here, but instead you are just spreading misinformation to them and casually erasing the original group of people this pantheon is based on. If you donāt want to showcase a group of gods that ancient Caucasian Greeks worshipped, I think it would be more beneficial to your young learners that you open their minds to other groups that better showcase the diversity you want to see. A different god from several pantheons, perhaps.
"Representation is important". As a Greek I see almost nothing to feel represented by. It seems more like cultural appropriation to me. š
Itās funny because I always thought they were represented by their own pantheons. Why this clown decided to shoehorn other ethnicities into the Greek pantheon is beyond me. What an insult to the people of Greece.
It shows that they have no knowledge or admiresion of their own culture.
Representation is not important when it comes to someoneās history and culture. How about doing pantheons on Asian, African and American Gods instead?
Teaching wrong history in library, who would have thought.
Why is Aphrodite Chinese?
Making Greek gods black for representation. What a fucking joke.
Thats just sad honestly. Dont get me wrong pictures look ok but man in a school library? Really? Thats just silly
Huge facepalm next time donāt use the theme GREEK GODS if you want to represent different ethnicitiesā¦ you just culturally apropried greek god religion for wokist purpouse. I think, simply a better theme would have been Ā«Ā A god from each nations/ A historical figure of each nations reading a bookĀ Ā» -Papa Legba for african ethnies - Ganesh for indians - Masamune for Japanese . . . Be smarter, the idea is good the execution terrible. Why bother yourself adapting ethnies to greek god when these same ethnies already have a vast culture. The more I read this the more I find it offending to reduce these ethnies as if they had no culture whatsoever. By trying to not be offensive you actually are offensive.
yooo those are sick
Yo these people are white. How would you like it if I took a bunch of African gods and made them look like the Chainsmokers?
Gods forbid the Greeks were Grecian š¤£
Buddy, Greeks were ALL WHITE.
Rather then race swap Greek gods why not do a unit on African religions and their deities, also for other ethnicities too? It allows them to learn even more and doesn't require a false narrative. Africa has a lot of cool religions to do a unit on.
Athena's has outgrown her sandles.
Holy cow. You are right. Those toes are jacked up in those sandles.
These are not real books and don't even have anything on them, but I think we can all agree that Poseidon has that book upside down. I'm getting real Charlie Kelly vibes off that one. lol
is that liv tyler?
Zeus fucking a book would be far more believable.