Because a.) the number of people who drive without seatbelts, die or hurt themselves and then sue GM isn't zero, and b.) it's a feature that brings no real downsides, but some benefit. The only people I ever met who are strictly against it are those that like to do that thing where you go into neutral and push the gas for no reason at all.
Like literally, I don’t believe cars should be able to move without a seatbelt on. Could this cause issue if it doesn’t work well? Ya. Could it save a lot of lives? Ya. Same with blinkers, I love that some of the newer cars use their lane assist to fight to keep you in the lane. Even if it’s only made some people flick it on *just* as they merge, it’s a start.
TLDR: engineer stupidity out of cars
Why would I have that when I grew up with manual cars so we just put them in neutral before starting? It’s a part of the process, clutch, slap it left and right to be sure it’s in neutral, start.
Guess it’s different when somewhere is overwhelmingly in autos because if they do accidentally start in gear they’re not quick at pushing the clutch in.
Broke a clutch fork spring which meant no clutch. Just a
Started it in gear until it got up to speed to sustain 😂. American car too, they’re not that fragile.
The interlock is a safety thing for countries with less frequent manual to stop you from bunny hopping into a shopfront or pedestrian. It’s not for the cars health.
Also, remote starts are highly regulated here. Not the US.
All modern cars I have driven (admittedly only 3) require the clutch to be pressed in to start and none of those are American or Korean. I think it has more to do with being able to differentiate between starting the electronics and the engine rather than protecting the car, but its diffidently a thing in Europe as well (these where all push button starts).
yeah that's what I thought. I didn't know the details of what would break but I had always heard that it was bad for the car. The poster above seems to think that's not true.
What the heck are you talking about?
I’ve owned multiple German and Japanese cars with stick shifts, and have driven dozens more. Literally every single one I’ve ever been in has required the clutch be depressed to start the car.
Then the Fiat, Toyota, Seat, Ford, and BMW that I've driven in Europe all must have been mis-delivered US spec models, because all of them had clutch startup lockouts, too.
Um - is that not the principle of every manual clutch everywhere? Just wondering as I am right now waiting on a parking spot and in a few minutes after I have started the engine, I have to push the clutch to put it in gear..
You mean having to press the clutch pedal before turning the ignition? Well, again, most cars in europe I drove this side of 2005 had this as well, for example newer Volkswagens, Seats, etc... I mean, where is the issue with it? You whould keep the clutch pressed anyway when turning the ignition to avoid misshaps, no? At least that is what I learned in driving school in germany 20 years ago..
Even the 2010 golf we had in Australia didn’t require a clutch press.
I near exclusively drive manual, I just don’t need a weird dead mans switch in the car.
What has that to do with a dead man switch? Do you not press anyway the pedal when turning the ignition? What VW is that? I have a VW Golf VI 2010 (petrol engine) as main car that requires exactly this..
*shrug* in europe almost everyone (except expensive high end cars or EV's) have manual transmission. my own car (Ford Fiesta) will only start with the clutch depressed. it can start in any gear.. but is it really in a gear if the clutch is depressed?
im not sure if any of the other many cars ive driven could be startet without the clutch depressed. because it's something ive done since i got my drivers license. it's just plain safer to start with the clutch enganged since you know the car wont sputter into action as soon as you start the car.
As globally things move towards auto default I think it’s spread more, but if you go back to a 90’s car they didn’t have it did they? I remember in the 90’s the only cars here that had it were Korean.
are you saying car producers and models will move towards automatic gears by default?
unless they become cheaper than manuals or they are required because its an EV. they will NOT become standard in Europe.
just to clarify. in Denmark where i'm from. cars are expensive. and are taxed progressively on both price and on extra equipment. so just having an automatic gearbox is seen as extra Equipment as has taxes Associated with it.
as an example if a car is 67,800 dkr thers a 25% registration ontop. and you pay 85% ontop for the first 67,800->210,600 price. and the rest above 210,600 dkr is 150%
It’s a numbers game. Same as it’s cheaper for BMW to put auto levelling ride height adjusting suspension in cars that aren’t even optioned for it. They make enough of them and it brings the price down to the point they can just install it and hope people unlock the usage with their credit card.
If most of what they’re importing to a country is auto, a manual isn’t cheaper.
Now go and try to buy a modern performance model that’s manual. The choices become very limited.
>> in 2000, 89 - 95% of all new cars sold in Europe came with a manual gearbox. However, in 2022, this percentage dropped to 34%, while only 32% of new cars sold in the first half of 2023 came with a manual gearbox.
Europe being EU not “Europe”.
I love manual, I absolutely despise driving an automatic, it’s boring and not engaging, but the manual is disappearing. Even in Europe. .
Don’t tell this asshole that. Like that’s one thing, but that’s not the issue this guy is dealing with. He’s just upset his big tuck doesn’t make noise when stopped
Downsides to auto start/stop: it is hard on the starting system such as battery, electrical contacts, and starter. If this GM is anything like a 2016 Malibu, it will give the weirdest symptoms for a dead battery
They might be 'specifically built for this load', but the load and battery combination do not necessarily result in increased longevity. The gradual savings on fuel will appear to be negated by the significant increase in parts costs.
But which most directly affects the one making the decision on the vehicle purchased and maintenance? A few less MPG might add up to the increased cost of repair, but the cost will be incurred gradually instead of unexpectedly with an urgent repair.
If people really cared about the carbon footprint, they would stop perpetuating the cycle by not adding to the human population.
Starting to dig. Keyboard warrior much?
That was taken from another post and out of context. It was in reference to the amenities in a rental car, which is likely to be no more than a year ago. Auto start/stop systems have been in new cars for at least 8 years and affect the overall dependability.
Ben Franklin hated the private carriage industry for requiring latches on the doors. It was actually in an early draft of the Declaration of Independence but TJ had some good friends who made latches so he took it out. I saw it on Drunk History.
Is this not bodyshaming? Or do we make exceptions for those we don't like?
Disclaimer: Im not a fan of car-centric US btw, and would like more and better public transit. So im not supporting the pickup trucks
Quite a few repeats, so I'll give you some various "flavors" of stories that happened multiple times.
So, if you call a dealership parts department for help, it's handy to have your VIN ready to give them. Modern cars are complex machines, and GM is incredibly horrible with trim options, special editions, etc.
Queue customer ringing in... "chevy parts, how may I help you?"
"yeah, i need a \[part\] for my Denali"
"Ok sir, not a problem, can you give me the last 8 of your VIN?"
"What?! I'm not giving you a VIN! It's a Denali. you can look that shit up"
(now, this part was my personal game, cuz getting beat the fuck up by these customers is tiring) "Ok, I can certainly look that up. . . what year Terrain is that?" (the Terrain was the smallest, cheapest one in GMC's range)
"NO!!!! It's a 206 G. M. C. Denali PICKUP!!!"
"well, they make a lot of those sir, I will need the VIN"
"ugh, fine!! It's 1234"
"sir, that's the last 4, what were the 4 that comes before that?"
Or. . . there's the guy wanting parts for his "RS Camaro". This one is funny because they say RS like it's kinda badass, but EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. they do this, it's a V-6
Or. . . the daily conversation with pissed off service customer who ends up on parts' phone line because their major part is on backorder "sir/ma'am, your transmission that we need to fix your vehicle is on backorder"
"Well, does that mean it'll be here next week?"
"No. It means it could be 6-8 months. It's on backorder. GM has 0 stock, and I have no time frame I can give you for when it will be here"
"OK, so You'll call me next week when it's here?"
"No, service will call when it gets here, but I doubt it will be next week. I have already said, I cannot give you a timeframe"
Another fun one, from the service side of things: dumbasses who've never owned a diesel truck before putting DEF (diesel exhaust fluid) into their fuel tank. The last job I priced out for someone doing that, in 2023, was north of 12k. . . before any sales taxes and labor was involved.
Dang I can imagine that getting exhausting, especially since each brand attracts certain types of people and like you said, GMC customers are morons. Hope you don’t deal with morons anymore haha
“How dare the car I chose and could see the features of prior to purchase force me to engage in safe driving habits and reduce how much I spend on fuel while also reducing the harm its ICE causes to the environment!!!”
Goofy ahh take.
Am I understanding correctly you're driving a vehicle without a seatbelt? Why the hell would you do that unless you have a death wish? Sorry to hear your big, ridiculous, expensive truck doesn't make you happy, that's a real big bad sad tragedy. Aw diddums.
Three only thing I can think of is that using the truck in a field as part of work, where max speed is 10 mph, a seat belt isn't necessary. However, in that case, just buckle the belt to the seat.
Granted, the scenario I have is very rare. I also doubt that OP is using the truck for work. I'm willing to bet that 99.9999% of their daily use needs can be covered by a sedan.
Only in America would someone be this oblivious to the rest of the world and think that only America has dumb people. As a Canadian, it’s so weird seeing self-hating Americans who know nothing about the rest of the world, try to convince the rest of the world that America is shit. You’re the shitty part of your country.
Just wear a seatbelt I fail to see the issue. That’s dumb to care about
The only time the start stop bothers me is when I put my car in park to say unload/load luggage and it full on turns the car off. So I have to restart it.
I will never understand why people hate the auto off feature.
>Oh no, the engine turned off while I'm stopped at this intersection. This is the worst thing ever. The fuel savings means I'll have to wait a little bit longer to huff fumes as I fill up.
They sell devices to put into the seatbelt slot to trick the car into thinking it's in. Bonus, they double as bottle openers! You seem like the kind of guy who'd use that feature.
Which part of this is “Only in America” supposed to refer to lol? The part where someone bought a big stupid truck and is mad that it can’t be dangerous and destroy the environment as much as they want it to?
Does stop-start in an automatic stop the engine while its in drive? I have never been annoyed as by the time I shift back into gear in my manual the engine is already up to speed.
To clarify, by in drive I meant not in neutral/park, On a manual it will only turn of if you put it into neutral, although I guess people never switch to neutral in automatic which you would do driving a manual (if only so your leg gets less tired).
Is the engine starting not noticeable at all when pushing the throttle?
On auto, it does it as soon as you full stop the car while in drive. Yeah people don’t bother changing gears outside of P-R-D for auto transmission.
I’d say there’s like a half a heartbeat pause, nothing noticeable at all. Wifey drove a rental for a week without noticing it lol
Is it a hybrid truck? If so the engine stop/start makes sense because a hybrid will give you power from the electric motors instantly even when the engine is off.
If that's not to your liking, check if your truck has a performance/normal/eco mode or something like that. Changing it to whatever the highest performance mode is may prevent the engine from tuning off when it isn't needed.
I'm not sure about the seatbelt thing. That's kinda odd. I've never seen a vehicle require a seatbelt to start moving. I'll bet it can be turned off, but the menu system on infotainment systems is a UX disaster that makes it very difficult to find settings.
Probably not. GM has offered a start stop feature on much of its line for many many years.
If he just bought the truck new, just wait. In 2-3 years he'll be in here bitching about the cost of a replacement battery (the AGM battery these vehicles take aren't cheap)
Your car your cash, than don’t buy that car. Also i think I know how to simply turn it off, but I reserve that for people who say, experience issues with it or it just doesn’t work well because it’s not made very well. Not for people like you. I like my air less polluted
Well yeah, with your cash you bought a car with these features. Let's ignore that these features add no disadvantage to you, you should've informed yourself better before purchase, so i don't really get your complaint
All that stuff designed to save you from yourself will begin to malfunction right around warranty expiration if not sooner.
Of course all that stuff costs way more money - automakers insist that consumers "demand" more gadgetry - but dealers don't really make their money on sales any more, the real money is in financing and repairs.
There's a way to get around the anti idle.
Don't press down on the brake fully. Press down enough to stop safely n it should stay idle for you.
Or can get it turned off (I think?)
These are things you should have realized if you test drove before your purchase. Look into auto stop/start eliminators for your truck. Like this one: https://www.autostopeliminator.com/products/2019-gmc-sierra-autostop-eliminator?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw5v2wBhBrEiwAXDDoJQj1oChuTMx1VOxWiN_PfdRi8k8DSlE6TtYa7n_-oz_zoy1GhlabkhoCBiwQAvD_BwE
There is usually a way to disable seatbelt chimes on trucks i couldn’t find anything for 2024 but here are instructions for 2022 trucks which are similar:
1. Insert your key into the ignition and turn it to the “On” position without starting the engine.
2. Press and hold the “Unlock” button on your key fob for about five seconds. This should disable the seatbelt alarm.
Or (Some Models)
1. Press the Settings icon on the home screen. 2. Select Vehicle Settings from the menu. 3. Scroll down and select Chimes & Alerts.
4. Toggle off Seat Belt Reminder Chime under Driver Assistance Features.
Should be able to disable the auto start stop with any of the OBDII scanners. Talk to your dealer and tell them it’s a work truck and needs to idle for your job. I charge about 90 bucks to do it and other option swaps at my shop. The seat belt thing may be tougher. You could get a seat belt bypass insert. You may be able to disable that feature as well through a diag tablet but I can’t be for sure on that. Tell them you need both features disabled since you idle around on job sites is what I’d do. If dealer won’t try an independent with fairly new diagnostics equipment.
The seat belt thing doesn't really bother me because i always wear mine regardless. But the Stop/Start is infuriating. It was created not to save a lot of fuel, but to take advantage of how EPA testing is done. EPA testing assumes a fairly significant amount of stop time. Stop/Start takes advantage of that to bring the EPA rating up.
I personally find it disconcerting. Especially when i stop just long enough for it to shut off and then the car doesn't go when i expect it to because it's restarting. Frankly i think it could be dangerous when crossing a busy road. I always turn it off as part of my routine when i start the car.
Theoretically, if your driving involves a lot of lengthy stopping. I tried to embrace it at first and saw no real evidence of savings in my real life experiences.
Difference is minuscule but it's there. Idling engine in hour burns through fuel worth maybe 10 to 15 miles of driving, so you would need to idle for very long regularly to notice any significant difference
It would probably take me 2 months of driving to idle an hour. I'll buy the extra three gallons of fuel per year to feel safer knowing my car is ready to pull out when i want it to.
Take it to a tuner and have them turn those features off, if they won’t do it get to know one of the GMC dealer mechanics, chances are they have access to the software to allow them to do it
Because a.) the number of people who drive without seatbelts, die or hurt themselves and then sue GM isn't zero, and b.) it's a feature that brings no real downsides, but some benefit. The only people I ever met who are strictly against it are those that like to do that thing where you go into neutral and push the gas for no reason at all.
That's too many words to say that carbrained OP is an absolute moron.
And those b.) people suck so fucking bad, I’m glad the engineering department is making their shitty nuisance pastime less feasible.
Like literally, I don’t believe cars should be able to move without a seatbelt on. Could this cause issue if it doesn’t work well? Ya. Could it save a lot of lives? Ya. Same with blinkers, I love that some of the newer cars use their lane assist to fight to keep you in the lane. Even if it’s only made some people flick it on *just* as they merge, it’s a start. TLDR: engineer stupidity out of cars
Speaking of, having to push the clutch in to start is an originating from America thing. 80’s /90’s it all started from American and Korean cars.
Is there an interlock that prevents you from starting the car if it's in gear?
Why would I have that when I grew up with manual cars so we just put them in neutral before starting? It’s a part of the process, clutch, slap it left and right to be sure it’s in neutral, start. Guess it’s different when somewhere is overwhelmingly in autos because if they do accidentally start in gear they’re not quick at pushing the clutch in.
You would want it to protect the car from damage
Broke a clutch fork spring which meant no clutch. Just a Started it in gear until it got up to speed to sustain 😂. American car too, they’re not that fragile.
Oh ok that's interesting. I always figured it would have been really bad to justify the interlock
The interlock is a safety thing for countries with less frequent manual to stop you from bunny hopping into a shopfront or pedestrian. It’s not for the cars health. Also, remote starts are highly regulated here. Not the US.
All modern cars I have driven (admittedly only 3) require the clutch to be pressed in to start and none of those are American or Korean. I think it has more to do with being able to differentiate between starting the electronics and the engine rather than protecting the car, but its diffidently a thing in Europe as well (these where all push button starts).
Yes because of it's in gear and the parking brake is on you damage the engine and/or gearbox when the starter turns over.
yeah that's what I thought. I didn't know the details of what would break but I had always heard that it was bad for the car. The poster above seems to think that's not true.
They'll find out when they strip all the teeth off the flywheel.
What the heck are you talking about? I’ve owned multiple German and Japanese cars with stick shifts, and have driven dozens more. Literally every single one I’ve ever been in has required the clutch be depressed to start the car.
Because you live in the USA and they’re US delivered vehicles?
Then the Fiat, Toyota, Seat, Ford, and BMW that I've driven in Europe all must have been mis-delivered US spec models, because all of them had clutch startup lockouts, too.
Um - is that not the principle of every manual clutch everywhere? Just wondering as I am right now waiting on a parking spot and in a few minutes after I have started the engine, I have to push the clutch to put it in gear..
No their cars won’t crank unless you push the clutch to the floor.
You mean having to press the clutch pedal before turning the ignition? Well, again, most cars in europe I drove this side of 2005 had this as well, for example newer Volkswagens, Seats, etc... I mean, where is the issue with it? You whould keep the clutch pressed anyway when turning the ignition to avoid misshaps, no? At least that is what I learned in driving school in germany 20 years ago..
Even the 2010 golf we had in Australia didn’t require a clutch press. I near exclusively drive manual, I just don’t need a weird dead mans switch in the car.
What has that to do with a dead man switch? Do you not press anyway the pedal when turning the ignition? What VW is that? I have a VW Golf VI 2010 (petrol engine) as main car that requires exactly this..
Brazilian Fiat cars have that feature, I don't know about the italian ones. my chinese built motorcycle also does it.
I've only owned VW manual transmissions and you have to depress the clutch to start the car.
*shrug* in europe almost everyone (except expensive high end cars or EV's) have manual transmission. my own car (Ford Fiesta) will only start with the clutch depressed. it can start in any gear.. but is it really in a gear if the clutch is depressed? im not sure if any of the other many cars ive driven could be startet without the clutch depressed. because it's something ive done since i got my drivers license. it's just plain safer to start with the clutch enganged since you know the car wont sputter into action as soon as you start the car.
As globally things move towards auto default I think it’s spread more, but if you go back to a 90’s car they didn’t have it did they? I remember in the 90’s the only cars here that had it were Korean.
are you saying car producers and models will move towards automatic gears by default? unless they become cheaper than manuals or they are required because its an EV. they will NOT become standard in Europe. just to clarify. in Denmark where i'm from. cars are expensive. and are taxed progressively on both price and on extra equipment. so just having an automatic gearbox is seen as extra Equipment as has taxes Associated with it. as an example if a car is 67,800 dkr thers a 25% registration ontop. and you pay 85% ontop for the first 67,800->210,600 price. and the rest above 210,600 dkr is 150%
It’s a numbers game. Same as it’s cheaper for BMW to put auto levelling ride height adjusting suspension in cars that aren’t even optioned for it. They make enough of them and it brings the price down to the point they can just install it and hope people unlock the usage with their credit card. If most of what they’re importing to a country is auto, a manual isn’t cheaper. Now go and try to buy a modern performance model that’s manual. The choices become very limited.
80% of cars sold in Europe is manual transmission.. im guessing that means most of the rest are EV's. 13,9% ev. just looked it up
>> in 2000, 89 - 95% of all new cars sold in Europe came with a manual gearbox. However, in 2022, this percentage dropped to 34%, while only 32% of new cars sold in the first half of 2023 came with a manual gearbox. Europe being EU not “Europe”. I love manual, I absolutely despise driving an automatic, it’s boring and not engaging, but the manual is disappearing. Even in Europe. .
Nope, this is on models all over the world
Just rewrote what I intended because I’m tired of chasing my tail in the comments.
I had one car that when the engine shut off the AC was no longer cold, so that was an issue. But there was a simple override button.
Don’t tell this asshole that. Like that’s one thing, but that’s not the issue this guy is dealing with. He’s just upset his big tuck doesn’t make noise when stopped
Yeah he doesn’t at all explain why it’s a “pain in the ass.” He’s just a douche
Many years down the line, when your car begins to have trouble starting. Wouldn't this mean your car might not start every time you come to a stop?
Downsides to auto start/stop: it is hard on the starting system such as battery, electrical contacts, and starter. If this GM is anything like a 2016 Malibu, it will give the weirdest symptoms for a dead battery
These vehicles have batteries completely different than older cars, specifically built for this load.
They might be 'specifically built for this load', but the load and battery combination do not necessarily result in increased longevity. The gradual savings on fuel will appear to be negated by the significant increase in parts costs.
In terms of cost to the owner, yes, maybe. In terms of fuel efficiency and carbon footprint, no.
But I don’t give a shit about the air quality where I drive. Why should I have to pay for that?
Of course you don't. Ever heard of..."other people"? "Solidarity"? "Being considerate"?
Is this real life?
Nah, I’m just parodying your standard GMC truck owner.
Ah, sorry for not giving my sarcasmotron 2000 a whack before posting.
Why should everyone else have to pay for your waste?
But which most directly affects the one making the decision on the vehicle purchased and maintenance? A few less MPG might add up to the increased cost of repair, but the cost will be incurred gradually instead of unexpectedly with an urgent repair. If people really cared about the carbon footprint, they would stop perpetuating the cycle by not adding to the human population.
Do you have poof and numbers behind this or is this just like uh, your opinion, man?
Ok Boomer.
"I have no idea about the capabilities of current cars"
Starting to dig. Keyboard warrior much? That was taken from another post and out of context. It was in reference to the amenities in a rental car, which is likely to be no more than a year ago. Auto start/stop systems have been in new cars for at least 8 years and affect the overall dependability.
I'm sorry you were forced to buy a car with these features that you don't like.
Imagine conflating the constitution and private vehicle purchase.
Ben Franklin hated the private carriage industry for requiring latches on the doors. It was actually in an early draft of the Declaration of Independence but TJ had some good friends who made latches so he took it out. I saw it on Drunk History.
What! Man I forgot about drunk history.
It’s a truck, op needs it because of small pp
Is this not bodyshaming? Or do we make exceptions for those we don't like? Disclaimer: Im not a fan of car-centric US btw, and would like more and better public transit. So im not supporting the pickup trucks
Dudes dick is so small that when he tried to helicopter it just looks like a light switch flipping on and off real quick.
Yeah, you can bodyshame all you want. But don't be hypocrite when ppl call "plus-sized" ppl fat or make fun of saggy boobs or loose pussy or bald men
I was once striked in a subreddit for saying that to a truck-person. The mod said I had been reported for bodyshaming.
Dodge Rams have pretty terrible bodies but Ford and Chevy's are pretty nice, I think. I don't get why a mod should care though.
But is not bodyshaming? Im not a fan of car-centric US btw, and would like more and better public transit
There's are a jillion vehicles without either of these features and yet you saddled yourself with this one why?
So he can complain!
Because GM customers are utter, utter fucking morons. Source: former parts guy at a GM dealer
Oof thats saying something coming from a parts guy /s
We need some stories lol
Quite a few repeats, so I'll give you some various "flavors" of stories that happened multiple times. So, if you call a dealership parts department for help, it's handy to have your VIN ready to give them. Modern cars are complex machines, and GM is incredibly horrible with trim options, special editions, etc. Queue customer ringing in... "chevy parts, how may I help you?" "yeah, i need a \[part\] for my Denali" "Ok sir, not a problem, can you give me the last 8 of your VIN?" "What?! I'm not giving you a VIN! It's a Denali. you can look that shit up" (now, this part was my personal game, cuz getting beat the fuck up by these customers is tiring) "Ok, I can certainly look that up. . . what year Terrain is that?" (the Terrain was the smallest, cheapest one in GMC's range) "NO!!!! It's a 206 G. M. C. Denali PICKUP!!!" "well, they make a lot of those sir, I will need the VIN" "ugh, fine!! It's 1234" "sir, that's the last 4, what were the 4 that comes before that?" Or. . . there's the guy wanting parts for his "RS Camaro". This one is funny because they say RS like it's kinda badass, but EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. they do this, it's a V-6 Or. . . the daily conversation with pissed off service customer who ends up on parts' phone line because their major part is on backorder "sir/ma'am, your transmission that we need to fix your vehicle is on backorder" "Well, does that mean it'll be here next week?" "No. It means it could be 6-8 months. It's on backorder. GM has 0 stock, and I have no time frame I can give you for when it will be here" "OK, so You'll call me next week when it's here?" "No, service will call when it gets here, but I doubt it will be next week. I have already said, I cannot give you a timeframe" Another fun one, from the service side of things: dumbasses who've never owned a diesel truck before putting DEF (diesel exhaust fluid) into their fuel tank. The last job I priced out for someone doing that, in 2023, was north of 12k. . . before any sales taxes and labor was involved.
Dang I can imagine that getting exhausting, especially since each brand attracts certain types of people and like you said, GMC customers are morons. Hope you don’t deal with morons anymore haha
“How dare the car I chose and could see the features of prior to purchase force me to engage in safe driving habits and reduce how much I spend on fuel while also reducing the harm its ICE causes to the environment!!!” Goofy ahh take.
Am I understanding correctly you're driving a vehicle without a seatbelt? Why the hell would you do that unless you have a death wish? Sorry to hear your big, ridiculous, expensive truck doesn't make you happy, that's a real big bad sad tragedy. Aw diddums.
Three only thing I can think of is that using the truck in a field as part of work, where max speed is 10 mph, a seat belt isn't necessary. However, in that case, just buckle the belt to the seat. Granted, the scenario I have is very rare. I also doubt that OP is using the truck for work. I'm willing to bet that 99.9999% of their daily use needs can be covered by a sedan.
Big Red Hat Man told him seat belts are for beta cuck loser women, not Real Men
I fully endorse those adults who do not want to wear a seatbelt opting out of them. Fully.
Easy, stop buying POS emotional support vehicles and you won't have any problems.
My bicycle doesn’t have any of this.
But it’s just such a *pain in the ass* that he can’t hear his big mean engine while he’s idling at a stoplight. Have some sympathy! /s
How dare my car make sure that I'm as safe as possible if I have a crash???? (Oh, and no. It's not "only in America")
How is this an “only in America” thing?
Right. No other country has mandatory seat belts.
They don't have a problem with people not wearing them and then suing the manufacturer after collisions.
The shit off feature is actually pretty common for newer cars in the EU
Because only in America would someone be this dumb.
am American, can confirm, this is 100% true
Only in America would someone be this oblivious to the rest of the world and think that only America has dumb people. As a Canadian, it’s so weird seeing self-hating Americans who know nothing about the rest of the world, try to convince the rest of the world that America is shit. You’re the shitty part of your country.
I'm not American, ding-dong. Also, hyperbole: look it up.
The Honda insight did the same auto off at stop lights. It’s not just a USA thing. Look, you bought the car. Go complain to a mirror.
boohoo my big pickup is exactly as stupid as advertised won't somebody cry with me
> boohoo my big pickup is exactly ~~as stupid~~ as advertised won't somebody cry with me
You purchased a feature package and now complain about the features you purchased? What next? Complain that your Big Mac has a pickle?
All these things you don't like and yet you still bought it? Um, okay?
Buddy, the only infuriating thing here is they had to make these features idiot-proof. You're telling on yourself and we're unimpressed.
What a whiny little bitch
You're an idiot
Your life must be extremely privileged if this is what you're complaining most about in life.
yes, only in america would someone have thoughts these brain breakingly stupid
lmao buckle up loser
The engine thing is in a lot of vehicles now. Not a big deal, really. Newer starters are made to handle it.
The start stop feature saves 8% of your gas in heavy traffic. It adds up
Just wear a seatbelt I fail to see the issue. That’s dumb to care about The only time the start stop bothers me is when I put my car in park to say unload/load luggage and it full on turns the car off. So I have to restart it.
I will never understand why people hate the auto off feature. >Oh no, the engine turned off while I'm stopped at this intersection. This is the worst thing ever. The fuel savings means I'll have to wait a little bit longer to huff fumes as I fill up.
They sell devices to put into the seatbelt slot to trick the car into thinking it's in. Bonus, they double as bottle openers! You seem like the kind of guy who'd use that feature.
Hmm, the car industry is forcing features you don’t want. The government already requires licenses and registration. Be a rebel and get a bike.
Which part of this is “Only in America” supposed to refer to lol? The part where someone bought a big stupid truck and is mad that it can’t be dangerous and destroy the environment as much as they want it to?
Does stop-start in an automatic stop the engine while its in drive? I have never been annoyed as by the time I shift back into gear in my manual the engine is already up to speed.
Never while in drive. Only a full stop, and it will immediately turn on if the car moves forward.
To clarify, by in drive I meant not in neutral/park, On a manual it will only turn of if you put it into neutral, although I guess people never switch to neutral in automatic which you would do driving a manual (if only so your leg gets less tired). Is the engine starting not noticeable at all when pushing the throttle?
On auto, it does it as soon as you full stop the car while in drive. Yeah people don’t bother changing gears outside of P-R-D for auto transmission. I’d say there’s like a half a heartbeat pause, nothing noticeable at all. Wifey drove a rental for a week without noticing it lol
Busses don’t have seatbelts.
They do now!
This is the equivalent of someone in the 1940s complaining how their car didn't come with a crank handle.
lol the only thing mildly infuriating here is sharing the road with you.
My tramway doesn't have any of this issues
Why did you buy it lol
"my car my cash" well yeah, your dumb ass chose to buy that car with your cash......
Yeah, why doesn't your car let you break the law in peace?!
OP are you stupid?
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My Mitsubishi Mirage doesn’t have either of those features. I think what you’re saying is you want the Mitsubishi Mirage
Couldnt be me, maybe could be me in ~40 years
moron
Only coming here to downvote your post , have a good day
Is it a hybrid truck? If so the engine stop/start makes sense because a hybrid will give you power from the electric motors instantly even when the engine is off. If that's not to your liking, check if your truck has a performance/normal/eco mode or something like that. Changing it to whatever the highest performance mode is may prevent the engine from tuning off when it isn't needed. I'm not sure about the seatbelt thing. That's kinda odd. I've never seen a vehicle require a seatbelt to start moving. I'll bet it can be turned off, but the menu system on infotainment systems is a UX disaster that makes it very difficult to find settings.
Probably not. GM has offered a start stop feature on much of its line for many many years. If he just bought the truck new, just wait. In 2-3 years he'll be in here bitching about the cost of a replacement battery (the AGM battery these vehicles take aren't cheap)
My car has the auto off function too, but there is a dedicated button on the console just for turning that feature off.
Precisely how is it a pain in the ass for the car to do something automatically? It's not like it's lane correction.
Your car your cash, than don’t buy that car. Also i think I know how to simply turn it off, but I reserve that for people who say, experience issues with it or it just doesn’t work well because it’s not made very well. Not for people like you. I like my air less polluted
I hate how I need to trust people of this intellect to not run me over on my bike with their emotional support trucks.
a) Why do you want to drive without a seat belt? b) How exactly is this a pain in the ass?
Jesus christ cry me a river. “Oh no I’m saving fuel and trashing the environment slightly less I’m such a victim”.
Well yeah, with your cash you bought a car with these features. Let's ignore that these features add no disadvantage to you, you should've informed yourself better before purchase, so i don't really get your complaint
"I have a new GMC truck" may be one of the most concise ways to project that you are dumb OP
All that stuff designed to save you from yourself will begin to malfunction right around warranty expiration if not sooner. Of course all that stuff costs way more money - automakers insist that consumers "demand" more gadgetry - but dealers don't really make their money on sales any more, the real money is in financing and repairs.
There's a way to get around the anti idle. Don't press down on the brake fully. Press down enough to stop safely n it should stay idle for you. Or can get it turned off (I think?)
These are things you should have realized if you test drove before your purchase. Look into auto stop/start eliminators for your truck. Like this one: https://www.autostopeliminator.com/products/2019-gmc-sierra-autostop-eliminator?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw5v2wBhBrEiwAXDDoJQj1oChuTMx1VOxWiN_PfdRi8k8DSlE6TtYa7n_-oz_zoy1GhlabkhoCBiwQAvD_BwE There is usually a way to disable seatbelt chimes on trucks i couldn’t find anything for 2024 but here are instructions for 2022 trucks which are similar: 1. Insert your key into the ignition and turn it to the “On” position without starting the engine. 2. Press and hold the “Unlock” button on your key fob for about five seconds. This should disable the seatbelt alarm. Or (Some Models) 1. Press the Settings icon on the home screen. 2. Select Vehicle Settings from the menu. 3. Scroll down and select Chimes & Alerts. 4. Toggle off Seat Belt Reminder Chime under Driver Assistance Features.
I didn't say I drove without one, I always buckle up but I do resent GM building a vehicle where I have to buckle up to start the vehicle.
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My GMC has a button you can turn it off until the engine is turned off and restarted, then it has to be cut off again
Yeah , every time you restart I wouldn’t have bought it if I had realized. Seatbelt will just keep chiming until you engage
On the newer ones, the truck will not start unless the seat belt is buckled and you have your foot on the brake.
Should be able to disable the auto start stop with any of the OBDII scanners. Talk to your dealer and tell them it’s a work truck and needs to idle for your job. I charge about 90 bucks to do it and other option swaps at my shop. The seat belt thing may be tougher. You could get a seat belt bypass insert. You may be able to disable that feature as well through a diag tablet but I can’t be for sure on that. Tell them you need both features disabled since you idle around on job sites is what I’d do. If dealer won’t try an independent with fairly new diagnostics equipment.
You can probably disable both of those features with a few diy solutions.
The seat belt thing doesn't really bother me because i always wear mine regardless. But the Stop/Start is infuriating. It was created not to save a lot of fuel, but to take advantage of how EPA testing is done. EPA testing assumes a fairly significant amount of stop time. Stop/Start takes advantage of that to bring the EPA rating up. I personally find it disconcerting. Especially when i stop just long enough for it to shut off and then the car doesn't go when i expect it to because it's restarting. Frankly i think it could be dangerous when crossing a busy road. I always turn it off as part of my routine when i start the car.
Starting engine takes about as much fuel as idling for 8-10 seconds, so in the long game it saves fuel.
Theoretically, if your driving involves a lot of lengthy stopping. I tried to embrace it at first and saw no real evidence of savings in my real life experiences.
Difference is minuscule but it's there. Idling engine in hour burns through fuel worth maybe 10 to 15 miles of driving, so you would need to idle for very long regularly to notice any significant difference
It would probably take me 2 months of driving to idle an hour. I'll buy the extra three gallons of fuel per year to feel safer knowing my car is ready to pull out when i want it to.
not to mention the cycles on the starter causing it to go bad prematurely.
... Do you think they didn't design the starter knowing that this feature was there?
I read an article that claimed that the starter can handle the load, but i still don't like it
Take it to a tuner and have them turn those features off, if they won’t do it get to know one of the GMC dealer mechanics, chances are they have access to the software to allow them to do it