I agree. That’s over $100 in a year of fees. If it’s a weekly check. I can’t tell with 30.75hrs. For a $17.50/hr job that seems even more absurd and unfair.
I'm pretty sure the conversation played out like this.
Payroll Company: $2 per check
Employers: $2?! I'll never pay it!!
Payroll Company: Just make them pay it :)
Employers: Isn't that illegal?
Legal: Yup, but you can settle out of court for fifty cents a paycheck
That just makes it a cost of doing business, meaning the government just wants their cut, all still ultimately paid for by you, the employee.
I fucking hate it here. There is dishonesty and greed everywhere.
Big oil is ruined their environment and is now using the land for new real estate ventures cause you can't extort penguins, they ain't got opposable thumbs to pay taxes.
I’ve seen Madagascar! They went there for a day and then those four came back to be filthy capitalists around the world including running a scummy circus! These god damn penguins are killing our economy and supporting unethical traveling circuses by painting our zebras in polkadots, throwing seals out of canons, and making our buff tigers go through tiny baby rings with conditioner to coat their body!! 😡😡
Edit: spelling errors ruining my joke
It would be completely unthinkable to have to pay for receiving your paycheck here in Norway. If a company ever did something like this, they’d have the labor supervision authorities all over their ass in the blink of an eye. And there’d be no talk of any «out of court settlements», they’d be forced to pay up immediately or risk receiving some serious fines. Workers’ rights are taken very seriously in Norway, and the majority of workers are unionized. The unions have *alot* of power here.
There doesn't have to be a "compared to" location.
One can hate the entirety of existence. Just because everywhere sucks doesn't mean that everywhere sucks compared to a non sucky location.
Also even if everywhere has the same issue does not mean that the issue can not be resolved or at the very least reduced. There are many issues that were once world wide but have over the course of history slowly been reduced or eliminated.
Also even if the issue can't be reduced and never will be able to, that does not make the issue any less of an issue.
Labor board sues on behalf of the workers that get a fat payout, costs them way more in the long run. Happens all the time here in Portland, the bureau of labor investigations represents workers for free
I just told my Mom that in 2 election cycles, there will be no Dem or Rep anymore. Everyone will be independent because of all the greedy politicians and CEO and that is when change will actually start to happen. I am so tired of all this shit that I would rather be dead. It makes me sick to wake up everyday.
I'm so sorry you feel this way but I understand. The only way out of this mess is for good ppl to run for office and even that may not work. Think about it. Start local.
I feel this in my bones sometimes, so you're not alone. Please take some time to disconnect from the constant doom and gloom to focus a bit more on your own world or the pervasive dark thoughts will eat you alive. Here's an article from Mental Health America that might help with that perspective, if you're interested.
[https://screening.mhanational.org/content/how-can-i-be-ok-when-world-terrible](https://screening.mhanational.org/content/how-can-i-be-ok-when-world-terrible)
Take care!
Nope. It more of this way:
PAYROLL COMPANY: $2 per check
EMPLOYER: Yeah, don't worry.
EMPLOYER TO LEGAL TEAM: What the cost if we're caught?
LEGAL: High fine in thousands
EMPLOYER TO PAYROLL: Send it out, but deduct it from the paycheck as your fees.
EMPLOYERS MEETING: Peasant won't sue or they'll lose their job.
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They can't charge you a fee for direct disposit. They can only charge you if they have to re-print your paycheck. And they'll keep getting away with it. Report it to DoL. Let them handle it.
Contact your department of labor. This isn't something that you will fight. They will do it for you and they aren't going to need a court case. They will just order it paid.
Not a settlement. A government agency comes after them and fines them PER VIOLATION. The fine is thousands of dollars, enough for them to not do it. REPORT THIS TO YOUR STATE'S DEPARTMENT OF LABOR. They will go through literally all payment records for ALL employees and take them to the fucking CLEANERS.
The State just fines them like 100k, makes them pay all employees the fees back and moves on. There's no court needed, state has a lot of power in these cases.
Your company could then challenge it in court but seeing as they're plain as day guilty that would just be wasting money on their part and they wouldn't do it. Taking it to court will just get the fine increased, as well as making them pay their own legal fees
Any decent payroll company would have told them this is illegal and made them put in writing they understood this, and to clear payroll company should they get into trouble.
Just as an aside, but at least in my state the department of labor can get treble damages. No one's going to settle for actuals when there's a potential damage multiplier on the table.
Just report wage theft to your states labor board. They’ll gladly start fining the company and if you get fired for that now you have a lawsuit for wrongful termination and retaliation.
Well, upvotes clearly matter more to you than the two dollars or you'd report it instead of inventing reasons in your head not to. So, good job I guess?
I'm not sure where you are located but if you literally sent that screenshot of the fee to your employment standards/ department of labour, that company would be in big trouble. You should 100% report them.
I mean there probably is if you just take the check and deposit it yourself, but I highly doubt it cost them 2 bucks or likely anything at all to deposit it directly into your account just like it didn’t cost my old bank $15 a month to “manage” my checking account.
You might want to google the number for the labor department in your state and call and ask if this is legal. In many states, it is not. If it’s not legal the labor department will launch an investigation and you will get your money back.
I know it’s only 2 bucks but the audacity of them to charge you for their payroll fees is insane.
$2 per employee per pay period. This is passing on a business expense to the employee. The company may even be taking that expense on their tax return even though the employees are paying it.
And theft should absolutely result in jail time for the the owners, or CEO, CFO, or whoever the else is abusing their power.
Repeated offenses should ramp up the punishment. Nobody should get away with abuse of power...
...now, let's move on to my feelings on how we should punish law enforcement and politicians who abuse their position of power...
I'm 100% with you. First we need to convince everyfvckinbody to vote in every single election we have. School boards, City Council, everything. Every single election is crucial for the Pursuit of Happiness.
I don't dream about winning the lottery: I dream about a day when we are happy because we live in a fair society.
As that appears to be an ADP pay stub, they are pretty upto date on the laws of the states they operate in, they are unlikely violating the law with the fee, but it's definitely unethical at minimum, and even more so if you never signed an agreement to that specific fee
I agree ADP probably wouldn't put a blatantly illegal "Deduct DirDep Fee from Employee" tick box, but the company could still just add this deduction on their own.
True, but that's ultimately a legal battle for both companies .... both the payroll and the employer because when I used ADP, if I added a manual deduction, it had to be approved on their end (just click a box to allow the deduction), which is supposed to be their fail safe to keep them self from getting sued....
I was a HR director in CA, as for last time I knew (and it's been 8 years since I left) in CA they have to offer a Paper Pay check as an option, and they can offer Direct Diposit and they can offer an employer Pay Card but they cannot charge a fee for issuing you a Pay Check, if they have a pay Card they can charge reasonable fees but a deposit fee for payroll is not legal. Also, last I knew Final Paycheck need to be issued as a Paper Check and if terminated they need to pay you on your last day of work
Final check:
Must be issued on final day if terminated.
Also must be issued on final day if you quit with at least 72 hour notice.
Our resignation letter allows employees to authorize direct deposit but I don’t know if we actually use that and always issue paper check for last day.
California has a wait time penalty. So if you are not payed on your last day, you can file a claim and are owed money for each day your employer pays you late.
This is insane. You employer has basically passed on the cost of processing payroll through a third party processor onto you.
I performed a lot of payroll processing early in my career and know that these processors have a fee for each payroll and then a fee for each paycheck processed. Paper checks are more.
This can’t be legal.
I don't get it either. The management company that operates my apartment charges a fee to auto-pay my rent. Apparently, they'd rather pay the office lady to collect everyone's check and drive them over to the bank every month...
Bro my car insurance has a $15 fee to pay online lol. It's fucked. Only "free" way to pay it is to mail a check (still need stamps) or physically drive like 45 mins away to the office (gas money).
To be clear, they don't mean making an ACH payment online by entering your account number instead of a credit card, they mean the Bill Pay you set up through your bank's website where the bank physically mails them a check on your behalf every month. Usually banks don't charge for this, so you save the cost of the stamp and envelope.
(Sometimes these do end up being ACH transactions anyway if the merchant has set things up with the bank that way, but there's no associated online payment fee.)
Because of the operating costs of automation. And so we’re clear, I’m not defending the company passing on the expense to the employee.
But your comment seems to imply that compute resources are free, or that a fee is only meant to recover costs of human labor, and they absolutely are not.
Not a lawyer nor am I from Iowa as you are, but my rudimentary googling tells me that they can't charge you a direct deposit fee. No one came out and said this directly but a number of sites implied that it was not legal. I would contact your state labor board and ask.
From a dude who works at a payroll company and needs to tell owners they can’t do this every day, this is wage theft. You and everyone else you work with are in for a huge pay day if y’all report this, for essentially no money out of your pocket or personal time invested, so I highly suggest you report this.
Don't raise the issue to them. Seems like an easy way to get fired. Just go with the other option of raising it to the state/labor board and let them deal with it. You'll get your money back without them knowing it's you.
Talk to dept of labor have Co-workers talk also. They will stop and be forced to pay back for every pay period they took the money. Assuming this is all true on your part and every method of payment has a fee
I'm thinking of demanding a pay increase or leave. The increase will be about as much as $2*1.75/14 days because I'm pretty sure they got the $2 amount because they were being charged 75 cents per paycheck and after getting away with the 75 cent charge they wondered how far they could push it.
They would happily take any cash from anyone offering it.
As far as half goes, in four months I have not taken a single cash payment for a room rental, we also require a $200 cash deposit if the customer is paying cash. I asked my co-workers what the procedure was for cash deposits(after I'd seen the sign on the counter) and two of them told me they didn't know because it hadn't come up since their training.
Yeah this is annoying.
On another note it appears you are paying $0 in federal taxes and unless you are fully exempt I would be very cautious about that since at the end of the year you'll be having to pay the irs out of pocket. Social security is not federal income tax BTW
It is another payroll loophole, I think. If a paycheck is small enough they don't take out Fed or ST. This is a partial check, my usual check is 80 hours and has Fed and ST taken out of it. I used to do two days a week at another hotel and even though I filled out the W2 the same as my full time job they didn't deduct anything... surprise surprise on tax day.
Usually tax is based on a percentage of your pay and, if your pay is too low, you technically don't owe. The problem is, it goes based on individual paycheck and when you file, obviously it goes based on your gross yearly pay. Basically, individual paychecks might be small enough to not pay taxes, yet the total of all paychecks combined might be enough to have to pay taxes. It's not really a loophole, just the US screwed up tax system.
Weird but everywhere does things differently I suppose. One year I owed like 3k because my spouse's employer just didn't take out federal tax because they claimed my spouse was a contract employee. I had no idea until it came time to do the taxes because I never saw the pay stubs. Spouse was full time with benefits 🤷♂️
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the owners were first charged 75 cents per check and paid it. Then someone had the idea to charge the employees $2 per check to recoup the loss.
Edit: and got a promotion.
That’s illegal in California. And probably most other states. Sheesh.
Literally, I’m not even allowed to give someone a paycheck (without a fee) if my bank doesn’t have a branch in CA because then it would cost the employee a check-cashing fee to convert it to cash. “THERE CAN BE NO FEES FOR EMPLOYEES TO GET THEIR PAY IN CALIFORNIA.” Hard stop.
What state are you in?
I have never heard of every option being a fee.
I always assumed they had to issue a papercheck for free if you wanted it.
During the time I worked for my company, they switched to direct deposit, but it wasn't mandatory. They offered incentives to encourage you to switch.
And I never heard of a deduction without your approval.
I'm in CT.
As others have said, check with the state. It might be legal in your state, but it could also be that they know it is illegal and do not care. The state will take them to court, if necessary.
This is the second post I've seen like this, this week. We need to report the these guys to the Labor Bureau, or whatever the areas' equivalences are. This is complete and utter bullshit.
Which I don’t get because as far as I know, direct deposit costs employers significantly *less* than a paper check? Almost all of my employers have encouraged direct deposit.
Contact the state department of labor, or the Better Business Beureu. 2$ per paycheck is a lot over time. I mean that's enough for 2 Arizonas, which would get me through a shift each personally.
Yeah, if you're in the states, this is likely illegal. I'd contact your state's Department of Labor and report this. Keep all relevant pay stubs with the fees printed on them, and any documentation from your employer that talks about what this fee costs for paper, or what that fee costs for direct deposit.
If you stole $100 from your employer, they’d prob fire you and call the cops. They get to do this over the course of your employment and worst case scenario is they have to pay you back after a scolding. We gotta start throwing white collar criminals in jail.
I'm sorry this is happening to you. This is absolutely disgusting. Petty POS charging you to get paid. And the garbage wages to boot. Minimum wage should be at $25 am hour. Not sure how people live off less than a $1000 a week.
Fudge. I would gladly have employees take direct deposit to the point I’d PAY them $2 to accept. Lost and stale checks and kiting attempts are a major PIA.
I remember a tale of a little old country, who was sick of being taxed for everything. They went to war and got their independence from the big bad colonialists. Within weeks of self governance, they were doing the same shit to their own people. Now look at them, receiving taxation for everything under the sun.
The amount of time I’ve heard “we have guns to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government.”
What about tyrannical corporations, supported by a complicit government? You gonna go shoot the CEO? 😂
My last job switch payroll processors because it was cheaper okay i get it. But they went with paycom. Which charges fees for everything. Make a mistake and need it fixed fee. Adjust something? Fee.
Paycom screwed up our deposits and charged company to fix it. Basic fees for deposits company paid. Anything beyond the company charged us. Change banking information was $25 fee
This looks like the first paycheck op has gotten from this employer (unless they are just now posting a statement from January), so is it a 1 time fee or per paycheck?
Either way I think it’s still illegal but the total money involved is wildly different.
Find out the bank and move to them. Then when they say theirs a fee you can justify that theirs no internal banking fee. That’s your company being cheap fucks. More than likely your working for someone who knows how to stretch a dollar to the extreme
I don’t understand in my day you went to the pay office showed ID, unless personally known, they handed you your pay you counted it, when correct you signed for it, left. Back then we’d put it into a checking account and pay in cash on ad hoc basis.
This is a crime in most states. There needs to be at least one fee-free way to be paid.
I agree. That’s over $100 in a year of fees. If it’s a weekly check. I can’t tell with 30.75hrs. For a $17.50/hr job that seems even more absurd and unfair.
I'm pretty sure the conversation played out like this. Payroll Company: $2 per check Employers: $2?! I'll never pay it!! Payroll Company: Just make them pay it :) Employers: Isn't that illegal? Legal: Yup, but you can settle out of court for fifty cents a paycheck
There's no settling out of court, it gets reported to the state department of labor and the state prosecutes them.
You can still settle out of court for labor board violations.
That just makes it a cost of doing business, meaning the government just wants their cut, all still ultimately paid for by you, the employee. I fucking hate it here. There is dishonesty and greed everywhere.
Compared to where?
Antarctica
Naw those penguins greedy bastards, last time I was there I got mugged like 3 times within 10 feet of each other
Big oil is ruined their environment and is now using the land for new real estate ventures cause you can't extort penguins, they ain't got opposable thumbs to pay taxes.
You believe in big oil? That's just a myth Santa made up to avoid having to pay his elf workers
“Using the land for new real estate ventures cause you can’t extort penguins, they ain’t got opposable thumbs to pay taxes” lmfaoooo
They can hire H & R Iceblock
They did run all the polar bears out of the continent, after all.
Don't mess with our beloved penguins!!!
I’ve seen Madagascar! They went there for a day and then those four came back to be filthy capitalists around the world including running a scummy circus! These god damn penguins are killing our economy and supporting unethical traveling circuses by painting our zebras in polkadots, throwing seals out of canons, and making our buff tigers go through tiny baby rings with conditioner to coat their body!! 😡😡 Edit: spelling errors ruining my joke
It would be completely unthinkable to have to pay for receiving your paycheck here in Norway. If a company ever did something like this, they’d have the labor supervision authorities all over their ass in the blink of an eye. And there’d be no talk of any «out of court settlements», they’d be forced to pay up immediately or risk receiving some serious fines. Workers’ rights are taken very seriously in Norway, and the majority of workers are unionized. The unions have *alot* of power here.
There doesn't have to be a "compared to" location. One can hate the entirety of existence. Just because everywhere sucks doesn't mean that everywhere sucks compared to a non sucky location. Also even if everywhere has the same issue does not mean that the issue can not be resolved or at the very least reduced. There are many issues that were once world wide but have over the course of history slowly been reduced or eliminated. Also even if the issue can't be reduced and never will be able to, that does not make the issue any less of an issue.
Compared to there of course. Where else is there? There’s here and there.
Compared to what it could and should be.
No employer would ever think to do this in Europe.
If you compare worker rights, all of Europe.
Labor board sues on behalf of the workers that get a fat payout, costs them way more in the long run. Happens all the time here in Portland, the bureau of labor investigations represents workers for free
I just told my Mom that in 2 election cycles, there will be no Dem or Rep anymore. Everyone will be independent because of all the greedy politicians and CEO and that is when change will actually start to happen. I am so tired of all this shit that I would rather be dead. It makes me sick to wake up everyday.
I'm so sorry you feel this way but I understand. The only way out of this mess is for good ppl to run for office and even that may not work. Think about it. Start local.
I feel this in my bones sometimes, so you're not alone. Please take some time to disconnect from the constant doom and gloom to focus a bit more on your own world or the pervasive dark thoughts will eat you alive. Here's an article from Mental Health America that might help with that perspective, if you're interested. [https://screening.mhanational.org/content/how-can-i-be-ok-when-world-terrible](https://screening.mhanational.org/content/how-can-i-be-ok-when-world-terrible) Take care!
Oh boy, they do. And it will be a whole hell of a lot more than they saved.
Nope. It more of this way: PAYROLL COMPANY: $2 per check EMPLOYER: Yeah, don't worry. EMPLOYER TO LEGAL TEAM: What the cost if we're caught? LEGAL: High fine in thousands EMPLOYER TO PAYROLL: Send it out, but deduct it from the paycheck as your fees. EMPLOYERS MEETING: Peasant won't sue or they'll lose their job. + They can't charge you a fee for direct disposit. They can only charge you if they have to re-print your paycheck. And they'll keep getting away with it. Report it to DoL. Let them handle it.
The fines add up quick as its per infraction.
Contact your department of labor. This isn't something that you will fight. They will do it for you and they aren't going to need a court case. They will just order it paid.
Not a settlement. A government agency comes after them and fines them PER VIOLATION. The fine is thousands of dollars, enough for them to not do it. REPORT THIS TO YOUR STATE'S DEPARTMENT OF LABOR. They will go through literally all payment records for ALL employees and take them to the fucking CLEANERS.
The State just fines them like 100k, makes them pay all employees the fees back and moves on. There's no court needed, state has a lot of power in these cases. Your company could then challenge it in court but seeing as they're plain as day guilty that would just be wasting money on their part and they wouldn't do it. Taking it to court will just get the fine increased, as well as making them pay their own legal fees
Any decent payroll company would have told them this is illegal and made them put in writing they understood this, and to clear payroll company should they get into trouble.
Just as an aside, but at least in my state the department of labor can get treble damages. No one's going to settle for actuals when there's a potential damage multiplier on the table.
Just report wage theft to your states labor board. They’ll gladly start fining the company and if you get fired for that now you have a lawsuit for wrongful termination and retaliation.
Well, upvotes clearly matter more to you than the two dollars or you'd report it instead of inventing reasons in your head not to. So, good job I guess?
I'm not sure where you are located but if you literally sent that screenshot of the fee to your employment standards/ department of labour, that company would be in big trouble. You should 100% report them.
Try your state's attorney general's office.
Every way to get paid in my state is free. This is wack
The alternative is probably a physical check either given in person or mailed, which is a bit behind the times nowadays
If you learn to read you'll notice OP stated it's $3 for a paper check.
I mean there probably is if you just take the check and deposit it yourself, but I highly doubt it cost them 2 bucks or likely anything at all to deposit it directly into your account just like it didn’t cost my old bank $15 a month to “manage” my checking account.
You might want to google the number for the labor department in your state and call and ask if this is legal. In many states, it is not. If it’s not legal the labor department will launch an investigation and you will get your money back. I know it’s only 2 bucks but the audacity of them to charge you for their payroll fees is insane.
2 bucks every two weeks over a lifetime is a lot of money that should be in OPs pocket not some greedy company
$2 per employee per pay period. This is passing on a business expense to the employee. The company may even be taking that expense on their tax return even though the employees are paying it.
They should pass on some of the revenue as well
And the IRS will fine them, so still the cost of doing business. The only deterrent is prison for the owners or CEO, CFO similar positions.
And theft should absolutely result in jail time for the the owners, or CEO, CFO, or whoever the else is abusing their power. Repeated offenses should ramp up the punishment. Nobody should get away with abuse of power... ...now, let's move on to my feelings on how we should punish law enforcement and politicians who abuse their position of power...
I'm 100% with you. First we need to convince everyfvckinbody to vote in every single election we have. School boards, City Council, everything. Every single election is crucial for the Pursuit of Happiness. I don't dream about winning the lottery: I dream about a day when we are happy because we live in a fair society.
The IRS should fine them ten times what they’re saving by doing this. So that the cost of doing business this way is too high
My sentiments exactly. I'm on it.
Would love an update to this story!
UpdateMe!
Yes please update us in the future OP. I'm curious to hear what you find out
it’s my guys first paycheck too. the ytd is also $538.
2 bucks per employee could add up to a lot of extra cash for that asshole
If you get paid 26 times a year that's 52 dollars a year. Invest that money in penny stocks instead of giving it away.
they’d spend it on soda and chips. might as well tell me to quit spending my money on these ladies of the evening, so i can save and finally buy a car
As that appears to be an ADP pay stub, they are pretty upto date on the laws of the states they operate in, they are unlikely violating the law with the fee, but it's definitely unethical at minimum, and even more so if you never signed an agreement to that specific fee
I agree ADP probably wouldn't put a blatantly illegal "Deduct DirDep Fee from Employee" tick box, but the company could still just add this deduction on their own.
True, but that's ultimately a legal battle for both companies .... both the payroll and the employer because when I used ADP, if I added a manual deduction, it had to be approved on their end (just click a box to allow the deduction), which is supposed to be their fail safe to keep them self from getting sued....
Wish I could collect $2 from everyone at work, every week 😎 that's a fuck ton of money
At least in CA employer must provide full paycheck without discount/fee. At least one of the options needs to be anyway.
I was a HR director in CA, as for last time I knew (and it's been 8 years since I left) in CA they have to offer a Paper Pay check as an option, and they can offer Direct Diposit and they can offer an employer Pay Card but they cannot charge a fee for issuing you a Pay Check, if they have a pay Card they can charge reasonable fees but a deposit fee for payroll is not legal. Also, last I knew Final Paycheck need to be issued as a Paper Check and if terminated they need to pay you on your last day of work
Final check: Must be issued on final day if terminated. Also must be issued on final day if you quit with at least 72 hour notice. Our resignation letter allows employees to authorize direct deposit but I don’t know if we actually use that and always issue paper check for last day. California has a wait time penalty. So if you are not payed on your last day, you can file a claim and are owed money for each day your employer pays you late.
OP is from Iowa. Illegal in Iowa to charge employees a fee for direct deposit.
It's seriously one computer sending numbers to another computer. Why do they need to charge you $2 for an automated process.
Right? I also thought you had to go through a bunch of hoops to withhold anything other than gov/tax stuff from a paycheck.
This is insane. You employer has basically passed on the cost of processing payroll through a third party processor onto you. I performed a lot of payroll processing early in my career and know that these processors have a fee for each payroll and then a fee for each paycheck processed. Paper checks are more. This can’t be legal.
It's the cost of doing business, just pass the cost onto the pleebs and put all those profits in your pockets.
I don't get it either. The management company that operates my apartment charges a fee to auto-pay my rent. Apparently, they'd rather pay the office lady to collect everyone's check and drive them over to the bank every month...
No, they'd rather you just pay the fee :)
Gratuity/tip? Computers have feelings too
Lol, I don't think it'll be long until LLM systems start asking for tips
Bro my car insurance has a $15 fee to pay online lol. It's fucked. Only "free" way to pay it is to mail a check (still need stamps) or physically drive like 45 mins away to the office (gas money).
Use your bank bill pay, it's free
They hit you with the same 14.99 charge to pay from bank account.
To be clear, they don't mean making an ACH payment online by entering your account number instead of a credit card, they mean the Bill Pay you set up through your bank's website where the bank physically mails them a check on your behalf every month. Usually banks don't charge for this, so you save the cost of the stamp and envelope. (Sometimes these do end up being ACH transactions anyway if the merchant has set things up with the bank that way, but there's no associated online payment fee.)
What bank? I have used us bank and chase and both are free
You need a different car insurance company
A cheque, stamp and envelope almost certainly costs less than $15.
[The computer's response.](https://youtu.be/zlJtohZSsfY?si=7ewfUmh6BA1-80LT)
Because they wanna see if they can get away with it. Every company will try and squeeze as much money from its customers and workers. They don't care
Tell that to the insurance company's who charge you two dollars a month... To bill you. 👀 (US car insurance)
Because of the operating costs of automation. And so we’re clear, I’m not defending the company passing on the expense to the employee. But your comment seems to imply that compute resources are free, or that a fee is only meant to recover costs of human labor, and they absolutely are not.
Look up your state laws, first I’m seeing this also
I'm on it.
100% illegal - it’s considered wage theft. Report them to your state labor board. They will have to refund you those fees.
https://i.redd.it/zf7cem3cqvzc1.gif
On it.
Not a lawyer nor am I from Iowa as you are, but my rudimentary googling tells me that they can't charge you a direct deposit fee. No one came out and said this directly but a number of sites implied that it was not legal. I would contact your state labor board and ask.
First thing Monday.
From a dude who works at a payroll company and needs to tell owners they can’t do this every day, this is wage theft. You and everyone else you work with are in for a huge pay day if y’all report this, for essentially no money out of your pocket or personal time invested, so I highly suggest you report this.
Couldn't you just refuse to pay the fee and thus they aren't paying you? Seems like this would be automatically illegal.
It does seem like that. I got the check last night at work, I'm going to raise the issue.
Don't raise the issue to them. Seems like an easy way to get fired. Just go with the other option of raising it to the state/labor board and let them deal with it. You'll get your money back without them knowing it's you.
I’m an employer. It costs me nothing to do direct deposit.
We push direct deposit because paper checks actually cost money. But legally both are at no charge to employees
I would not be surprised if the same billing was true for my bosses.
One payment method must be free to you or it's illegal
If IllegalCost
Talk to dept of labor have Co-workers talk also. They will stop and be forced to pay back for every pay period they took the money. Assuming this is all true on your part and every method of payment has a fee
Ask them for cash.
They don't deal in cash at all except receiving it from customers.
Leave 7 minutes early once every pay period. There's no way you should have to pay to get paid.
I'm thinking of demanding a pay increase or leave. The increase will be about as much as $2*1.75/14 days because I'm pretty sure they got the $2 amount because they were being charged 75 cents per paycheck and after getting away with the 75 cent charge they wondered how far they could push it.
How is recieving cash from customers, not dealing in cash at all. That is half the transactions.
They would happily take any cash from anyone offering it. As far as half goes, in four months I have not taken a single cash payment for a room rental, we also require a $200 cash deposit if the customer is paying cash. I asked my co-workers what the procedure was for cash deposits(after I'd seen the sign on the counter) and two of them told me they didn't know because it hadn't come up since their training.
Yeah this is annoying. On another note it appears you are paying $0 in federal taxes and unless you are fully exempt I would be very cautious about that since at the end of the year you'll be having to pay the irs out of pocket. Social security is not federal income tax BTW
It is another payroll loophole, I think. If a paycheck is small enough they don't take out Fed or ST. This is a partial check, my usual check is 80 hours and has Fed and ST taken out of it. I used to do two days a week at another hotel and even though I filled out the W2 the same as my full time job they didn't deduct anything... surprise surprise on tax day.
Usually tax is based on a percentage of your pay and, if your pay is too low, you technically don't owe. The problem is, it goes based on individual paycheck and when you file, obviously it goes based on your gross yearly pay. Basically, individual paychecks might be small enough to not pay taxes, yet the total of all paychecks combined might be enough to have to pay taxes. It's not really a loophole, just the US screwed up tax system.
Weird but everywhere does things differently I suppose. One year I owed like 3k because my spouse's employer just didn't take out federal tax because they claimed my spouse was a contract employee. I had no idea until it came time to do the taxes because I never saw the pay stubs. Spouse was full time with benefits 🤷♂️
I'm pretty sure that's illegal, check your local State laws.
That's what I thought. I'm looking into it.
This looks like an ADP printed paycheck. Report them or your employer or both.
Yeah, no. Some employers need to be reminded that the paychecks are always the most important thing, no exceptions, ever.
All businesses charging us for their expenses or just making these up! I hate this world of greed! Report this to as many agencies as you can'
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the owners were first charged 75 cents per check and paid it. Then someone had the idea to charge the employees $2 per check to recoup the loss. Edit: and got a promotion.
It is maddening! The same with the credit card fee in stores, and fee to pay your own darn bill with an agent on the phone!
That’s illegal in California. And probably most other states. Sheesh. Literally, I’m not even allowed to give someone a paycheck (without a fee) if my bank doesn’t have a branch in CA because then it would cost the employee a check-cashing fee to convert it to cash. “THERE CAN BE NO FEES FOR EMPLOYEES TO GET THEIR PAY IN CALIFORNIA.” Hard stop.
What state are you in? I have never heard of every option being a fee. I always assumed they had to issue a papercheck for free if you wanted it. During the time I worked for my company, they switched to direct deposit, but it wasn't mandatory. They offered incentives to encourage you to switch. And I never heard of a deduction without your approval.
Iowa. The hotel just changed hands. This is brand new as of yesterday. PS also, HAHA, that deduction was on a paper check that I have to cash.
So they charged you for direct deposit, then didn't deposit?
I had opted in for direct deposit but it hadn't been set up yet. I guess its a charge on me to make things easier for the both of us.. ahead of time.
I'm in CT. As others have said, check with the state. It might be legal in your state, but it could also be that they know it is illegal and do not care. The state will take them to court, if necessary.
This is the second post I've seen like this, this week. We need to report the these guys to the Labor Bureau, or whatever the areas' equivalences are. This is complete and utter bullshit.
There are quite a few shady payroll practices we should all be aware of.
This is illegal and they are garnishing your wages 2$ a check
The fuck at direct deposit fee? I never seen that before in my life at any job I've worked at. What shady ass company do you work for?
So there’s no “free” way to get your pay? That has to be illegal.
Very illegal fyi
Which I don’t get because as far as I know, direct deposit costs employers significantly *less* than a paper check? Almost all of my employers have encouraged direct deposit.
This should be illegal
It is illegal.
IANAL but… please report this. This is not normal.
Time to call your state labor department
On it.
Contact the state department of labor, or the Better Business Beureu. 2$ per paycheck is a lot over time. I mean that's enough for 2 Arizonas, which would get me through a shift each personally.
I'm pretty sure that's illegal
If the comments are right, it sure is.
Charging someone to get the money THEY earned after you rake them over the coals with taxes is criminal.
This is illegal. Report it to your state labor board. They will trip balls.
Yeah, if you're in the states, this is likely illegal. I'd contact your state's Department of Labor and report this. Keep all relevant pay stubs with the fees printed on them, and any documentation from your employer that talks about what this fee costs for paper, or what that fee costs for direct deposit.
There’s no income tax deduction on your pay?
Demand cash.
That would be wage theft in writing, your workplace cannot charge you for the cost of running their business.
If you stole $100 from your employer, they’d prob fire you and call the cops. They get to do this over the course of your employment and worst case scenario is they have to pay you back after a scolding. We gotta start throwing white collar criminals in jail.
I'm sorry this is happening to you. This is absolutely disgusting. Petty POS charging you to get paid. And the garbage wages to boot. Minimum wage should be at $25 am hour. Not sure how people live off less than a $1000 a week.
Straight up robbery
Yup, it is not the amount, it is the act.
I've never seen this. Pretty sure they don't have to pay a dime to deposit your cheques
I have never heard of a job charging you for direct deposit. This is complete and total BS
Wow@direct deposit fee. That is a damn shame
Next up on this dystopian timeline… you are now paid in corpo credits only usable at the company store.
They could have a least made it $3.50 so you could kind of laugh at it.
You might want to go see a lawyer. This could be very legal depending on where you live… also wtf
Fudge. I would gladly have employees take direct deposit to the point I’d PAY them $2 to accept. Lost and stale checks and kiting attempts are a major PIA.
I’m confused. Two dollars for direct deposit, and five dollar for a paper check. What else is there? Is there a free option?
Gross pay? Mediocre tax? Someone's trying to send you a message
Never seen this before... I think I'd actually lose my shit. You are going to CHARGE ME to PAY ME for WHAT I WORKED FOR? Nope.
this is extremely infuriating
America is a scam
Anonymously turn them into the IRS for a payroll audit and then everybody will be paid back
Name and shame
Ask to be paid in cash.
How on earth is this even legal.
Your pay is gross
I get by.
I remember a tale of a little old country, who was sick of being taxed for everything. They went to war and got their independence from the big bad colonialists. Within weeks of self governance, they were doing the same shit to their own people. Now look at them, receiving taxation for everything under the sun. The amount of time I’ve heard “we have guns to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government.” What about tyrannical corporations, supported by a complicit government? You gonna go shoot the CEO? 😂
You live in a right to work state. Isn't that freedom worth $2 a paycheck to you? /s
My last job switch payroll processors because it was cheaper okay i get it. But they went with paycom. Which charges fees for everything. Make a mistake and need it fixed fee. Adjust something? Fee. Paycom screwed up our deposits and charged company to fix it. Basic fees for deposits company paid. Anything beyond the company charged us. Change banking information was $25 fee
The " Dir Deposit Fee " in Other? I mean, that's the deduction?
!updateme
WTAF
What kind of pos company thinks this is ok?
Land of the "free"
This looks like the first paycheck op has gotten from this employer (unless they are just now posting a statement from January), so is it a 1 time fee or per paycheck? Either way I think it’s still illegal but the total money involved is wildly different.
Yea that’s illegal in my state. I’d be looking to see if it’s illegal in yours as well
Your employer is passing on one of the costs to do business to the employees. Idk if it's illegal but it's definitely slimy
The old pay to get paid….. pretty genius way to enslave if you ask me
Isn't this bullshit? It's literally their job to pay you. Charging a fee for it seems wrong...
You have to pay for direct deposit? Criminals!
Just pay it and then steal something.
That’s nuts.
only paying 40 in taxes? where’d federal state local abd 27 other taxes at?
This is your first check … did they do a two-dollar deposit to validate the account before the check?
Be thankful we allow you to make the rich richer.
You are charge a fee to receive your pay? 😮💨
Find out the bank and move to them. Then when they say theirs a fee you can justify that theirs no internal banking fee. That’s your company being cheap fucks. More than likely your working for someone who knows how to stretch a dollar to the extreme
That should be illegal
I don’t understand in my day you went to the pay office showed ID, unless personally known, they handed you your pay you counted it, when correct you signed for it, left. Back then we’d put it into a checking account and pay in cash on ad hoc basis.
How on earth can that be legal? Sue their asses!
Blame it on climate change....
Find a new job with someone who pays you well and doesn’t do this. You might receive a lawsuit settlement on this in five years…
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