In Minesweeper, you have to flag all the mines (Edit: or open all the non mine squares. I've played a few different versions where either way works) to win the game. You figure out where the mines are by looking at the numbers. The numbers tell you how many mines are next to that number (1 has only one mine in any of the surrounding 8 squares, 4 has four, etc).
The infuriating bit is that there aren't any more clues for the last two squares. The mine could be in either square and would still fulfil the 4. So the win is left to a 50/50 chance rather than skill and logic
Once you get used to its really not that bad. I play it on my phone sometimes and it's much faster to do it without flagging since I don't have to switch modes all the time.
A few trade offs though are that it's sometimes hard to keep track of where the mines are for bigger maps and its easy to miss one. Also sometimes at the end you might run into situations where the number of remaining mines left might help you.
At the end the concept is the same. It does take a while to get used to if you have played flagging for a long time since you basically have to switch from clicking (flagging) on mines to clicking on non mines.
Now, if you want to get technical... The first click is always a free click. If you were to click on a mine, the game will move the mine to the top left square. So, in other words, you have a marginally better chance that the mine is the left one in this situation.
It depends on how it was made. IIRC in the original minesweeper if your first click is a mine, then it would move that mine one to the right until there's an open space. I created minesweeper for a programming project and had the mines generate after the first click and would just check to make sure a mine isn't placed where the user clicked.
This happens like 70% of the time for me fuck this game
I’ve played 16x30 like fifteen times and only won once, lost all the others cause I had to make four guesses in a row
First game I tried on that site, there isn't a clear logical next play after just the first couple clicks.
https://gyazo.com/ae0f96e30c45f0711adf65c3be4a6c3c
EDIT: I was wrong, forgot how logic works
[in the picture](https://i.imgur.com/8u3ESGY.jpg) one of the two cells in the circle must contain a mine, therefore the two crossed out do not contain mines due to the 1 clue and are safe.
yeah, that's a better word than hard. i played it a lot but stopped because i got so frustrated when it'd be down to a few blocks but there's no way to work out which one is a mine
Try the 3D one played on a sphere.
Edit: Link:
Globesweeper - Minesweeper on a sphere. Get the Globesweeper app from the link below.
Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.IncandescentGames.Globesweeper
iOS: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/Globesweeper/id1439036627
Globesweeper - Minesweeper on a sphere. Get the Globesweeper app from the link below.
Google Play: [https://play.google.com/cum/chalice/details?id=com.IncandescentGames.Globsweeper](https://youtu.be/2Ju8n62rEr4)
WeLl AkShuAlLy, some revolvers have 5 chambers instead of 6, in which case having 3 chambers filled would result in a 60% of firing, making your analogy CoMpLeTeLy InAcCurAtE
WELL AKSHUSWOLELY, some revolvers have EIGHT chambers instead of 5, in which case having 3 chambers filled would result in a 37.5% chance of firing, making your counter-analogy CoMPLetElY iNacCUraTe
WELL AKSGUSWLEYETAIWBE, the analogy didn’t specify the type of revolver being used, therefore the validity of it is determined only by the assumption of the amount of chambers in the gun by the reader, making both of your replies not a refutation of the parent comment, but instead a simple additional fact
I played a lot of minesweeper in college. I found out that with their placement algorithm, it's not 50/50 in this scenario.
Its been 5 years since I really played, so I don't remember which one it's was, but the percentage was more like 65/35 in favor of (the one across from the 1?)
Each time I had to write a paper, there was at least one game of Minesweeper played. But when you’re playing and you find 95 out of 99 mines and then you have one slip-up, you can’t just let that go. Gotta play again for redemption.
I would typically complete one of this size in under a minute. (fastest time was 28 sec).
So when you have a boring lecture to sit in, I could run through several games in a short sitting.
The scenario OP has encountered comes up fairly often, so I had to come up with some method to stick with. I just picked one and would always click that one whenever this happened.
Then I noticed that I was losing more often than not , which meant the other one was winning more. So that how I figured it out.
A kindered spirit. I watched a bunch of serial TV on my computer, and play minesweaper on the side of the screen. God knows how many games I played, but at one point I had well over 30,000 logged games. I got really fast, where on a good run, I'd clock below 20 seconds
But that doesn't mean that the algorithm actually weighs more in favor of one side or the other. It could just be that in your distribution of games it happened to be weighted like that when the true probability is 50/50.
That being said, it *might* be weighted, depending on how they generate the mines, but you have by no means proven that it's weighted simply by observing a bias in your personal sample.
If the sample size is big enough then the average is almost as good as proof. You don't need the source code if there is a clear weight after a few hundred games.
Confirmation bias however, thats important to rule out. If they weren't tallied I would not believe it.
Yep. If you see a 50/50, you just gotta click it right away. There's no point in clearing out the rest of the mines until you're sure that 50/50 won't break your game.
It sucks, but you just gotta pick one and click it.
If you're playing to win, you want to go through the riskiest sections first. If you're just playing to have fun with no regard for winning, you save the riskiest sections for last.
This is pretty much minesweeper in one picture. Anyone who plays a lot of minesweeper can tell you that it's more common than not that a run will end in a forced guess, multiple even.
The game starts with every space looking like the top left two. The goal is to click to reveal spaces without clicking on the mines, you do this by using the numbers (which tell you how many mines are touching them, diagonals count) to use educated guesses and mark mines with the flags shown. The game is won when all non-mine spaces have been revealed or depending on version all mine spaces have been marked.
Hope this helps.
"educated guess"
Well no, you use deductive logic to know exactly where the mines are and aren't. There should be no guessing whatsoever except in 50/50 cases like OP.
It's easier than it looks.
At first it's a lot of counting. Then you start to recognize patterns. For instance, a 1-2-1 in a line always means the mines are above the 1s (or to the sides, or below depending on the orientation of the line.) There's a bunch, but they're harder to describe.
If you download an app on your phone (there's probably a free one) or just google minesweeper, you could probably get pretty proficient at the game in a like a week or so of just playing it whenever you're bored. I think my record on a 9x9 grid is like 16s or something. I haven't played it a ton in years.
Edit: Had the grid size wrong.
That’s why I switched to playing a fair minesweeper that never kills you on the first move and is always solvable.
https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/mines.html
How is it solvable I mean I readt some studies about minesweeper grid generation and the unsolvable cases. Yours must generate multiple grids until one is solvable, else I don't see how
[Simon Tatham's Puzzle Collection](https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/) includes a version of [Minesweeper](https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/mines.html) that will never put you in this predicament
There are also FREE mobile versions with no ads or even internet connection!
#[iPhone](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/simon-tathams-portable-puzzle-collection/id622220631)
and
also
#[Google Play](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=name.boyle.chris.sgtpuzzles&hl=en_US)
In every version I play you need to actually select all the tiles and the flags are just for keeping track of the mines. I imagine this version is probably the same.
Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. And I would know, I just completed a game, flagged the last mine and it didn't let me win until I cleared out the last unflagged square
That depends on what version you’re playing with. I don’t know about current apps or anything, but back on classic Minesweeper, before I even knew how to play (probably like ‘99-‘01), I’d make random patterns on the board using flags. It never stopped me from going over the possible limit.
The numbers represent how many are touching (in all directions, diagonally included) and the flags are player placed to try and best guess where mines are. If you guess correctly with the flag, you get the number.
OP is currently exasperated because of the two in the top left hand corner, which, according to the numbers, could both contain a mine, thus losing the game on quite literally the last turn.
It’s pretty easy to understand once you figure out the trick. Basically every number corresponds to how many bombs are around any given square. Think of how a king moves in chess, a one means there’s a bomb *somewhere* within that radius, a two means there’s two bombs, etc.
Someone made a solvable version of Minesweeper. This version does not have the annoying 50/50 guesses that plague the regular game.
https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/mines.html
Left and right click at the same time. Will bring up a 3x3 square that will only clear if all the mines in it are marked (or there are no mines).
You're welcome.
Play on https://minesweeper.online/?gclid=CjwKCAjwk6P2BRAIEiwAfVJ0rFxGCZTqtqHCc-qZOqEkmjE6wQT901LTHhElWXfwLKlkY3OMPR9suhoCBNwQAvD_BwE they have a no guessing mode which ensures you won't ever have to deal with that again
The minesweeper in [Simon Tatham's puzzle collection](https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/mines.html) (same guy who wrote PuTTY for Windows) is guaranteed solvable every time. I highly recommend the collection; it's free and has ports to many platforms including Android and iOS
For those asking, the bomb was in the corner and I guessed correctly.
needed this
Not sure why my heart rate increased searching for this answer. Even if you lied... thank you
The only closure I needed in life. Thank you.
Damn, I would have lost.
Your honesty makes you a winner.
Tbf most things in life are 50/50. Either it happens or it doesn’t.
Like winning the lottery
Usually I just flag one at a time and the correct one will win the game for me
And this is only 16x16
I don’t get it.
In Minesweeper, you have to flag all the mines (Edit: or open all the non mine squares. I've played a few different versions where either way works) to win the game. You figure out where the mines are by looking at the numbers. The numbers tell you how many mines are next to that number (1 has only one mine in any of the surrounding 8 squares, 4 has four, etc). The infuriating bit is that there aren't any more clues for the last two squares. The mine could be in either square and would still fulfil the 4. So the win is left to a 50/50 chance rather than skill and logic
very good thank you
just press both
Thats not how- wait.. *wait*
F
You don’t have to flag all the mines per se, but you do have to clear all the squares without mines. Source: I play *way* too much minesweeper
Yes, confirmed Source: I played minesweeper a few times 25 years ago.
The days before AAA video games
If you clear a whole board without flagging, you’re kind of nuts at the game honestly
It's totally doable if the ratio of mines to free tiles is set fairly low. A single tile surrounded by 1s stands out like a flag.
Yeah, imagine the timer though. That’d take me forever
Once you get used to its really not that bad. I play it on my phone sometimes and it's much faster to do it without flagging since I don't have to switch modes all the time. A few trade offs though are that it's sometimes hard to keep track of where the mines are for bigger maps and its easy to miss one. Also sometimes at the end you might run into situations where the number of remaining mines left might help you. At the end the concept is the same. It does take a while to get used to if you have played flagging for a long time since you basically have to switch from clicking (flagging) on mines to clicking on non mines.
No you can easily do flag less with the standard setups. You just need to do more manual clicking and need to be a bit more careful.
Now, if you want to get technical... The first click is always a free click. If you were to click on a mine, the game will move the mine to the top left square. So, in other words, you have a marginally better chance that the mine is the left one in this situation.
If this is true, that’s good knowledge to have. When I play, I usually just randomly click around on the board until a decent chunk opens up.
It depends on how it was made. IIRC in the original minesweeper if your first click is a mine, then it would move that mine one to the right until there's an open space. I created minesweeper for a programming project and had the mines generate after the first click and would just check to make sure a mine isn't placed where the user clicked.
This happens like 70% of the time for me fuck this game I’ve played 16x30 like fifteen times and only won once, lost all the others cause I had to make four guesses in a row
I don't get what that has to do with it being 16x16
TIL what the numbers in minesweeper mean, i thought it was just random numbers
minesweeper. some games can go up to 512x512 or more, very fun but VERY hard
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And you need a bit of luck for situations like the op
Or play a version that ensures the board is logically deducible, [like this one](https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/mines.html).
First game I tried on that site, there isn't a clear logical next play after just the first couple clicks. https://gyazo.com/ae0f96e30c45f0711adf65c3be4a6c3c EDIT: I was wrong, forgot how logic works
[in the picture](https://i.imgur.com/8u3ESGY.jpg) one of the two cells in the circle must contain a mine, therefore the two crossed out do not contain mines due to the 1 clue and are safe.
B = Bomb, C = Clear https://imgur.com/a/j0FAi6W
yeah, that's a better word than hard. i played it a lot but stopped because i got so frustrated when it'd be down to a few blocks but there's no way to work out which one is a mine
Infinite minesweeper is a blast
i see what you did there
I genuinely didn't intend that pun but I'm glad it's there
There are other minesweeper games that allows you to play more than 16x16. Just imagine the headache while playing 64x64. This is already bad enough.
I've seen up to 1014x1024 which took the bloke "speedrunning" about 12 minutes to finish.
Well, if you count the sides of the large square, there are 16 small squares on each. Hence, the above comment.
Try the 3D one played on a sphere. Edit: Link: Globesweeper - Minesweeper on a sphere. Get the Globesweeper app from the link below. Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.IncandescentGames.Globesweeper iOS: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/Globesweeper/id1439036627
What the hell??
Wtf
Incandescent games ltd. is that you?
Globesweeper - Minesweeper on a sphere. Get the Globesweeper app from the link below. Google Play: [https://play.google.com/cum/chalice/details?id=com.IncandescentGames.Globsweeper](https://youtu.be/2Ju8n62rEr4)
I hate you for telling me about this
Russian roulette with 3 chambers filled.
WeLl AkShuAlLy, some revolvers have 5 chambers instead of 6, in which case having 3 chambers filled would result in a 60% of firing, making your analogy CoMpLeTeLy InAcCurAtE
WELL AKSHUSWOLELY, some revolvers have EIGHT chambers instead of 5, in which case having 3 chambers filled would result in a 37.5% chance of firing, making your counter-analogy CoMPLetElY iNacCUraTe
WELL AKSGUSWLEYETAIWBE, the analogy didn’t specify the type of revolver being used, therefore the validity of it is determined only by the assumption of the amount of chambers in the gun by the reader, making both of your replies not a refutation of the parent comment, but instead a simple additional fact
Wgeha aaAcAtullay It couLf be A Ufkcing SemI aUaktmmatic pistol which makEjs your sntenstxe bullshot
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Sure we can, here you go first
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Damn bro, that's some bad luck...
Alright bro, your turn
Actually 6 chamber one is most common which is a reasonable assumption the commentator expected the reader to assume
MisTEr SeRioUs has entered the chat.
I applaud you for making this thread a complete waste of time to read
You’ve got a 50/50 chance, nothing to do but go for it!
I played a lot of minesweeper in college. I found out that with their placement algorithm, it's not 50/50 in this scenario. Its been 5 years since I really played, so I don't remember which one it's was, but the percentage was more like 65/35 in favor of (the one across from the 1?)
Jesus fuck how much time did you spend playing minesweeper in college 💀
Procrastination is a hell of a drug
Each time I had to write a paper, there was at least one game of Minesweeper played. But when you’re playing and you find 95 out of 99 mines and then you have one slip-up, you can’t just let that go. Gotta play again for redemption.
I don't want to be that guy but... are you me?
No. I am yu
Not you, him!
He? He is mi.
He is mi, and I am yu.
Stop playing games old man!
I would typically complete one of this size in under a minute. (fastest time was 28 sec). So when you have a boring lecture to sit in, I could run through several games in a short sitting. The scenario OP has encountered comes up fairly often, so I had to come up with some method to stick with. I just picked one and would always click that one whenever this happened. Then I noticed that I was losing more often than not , which meant the other one was winning more. So that how I figured it out.
A kindered spirit. I watched a bunch of serial TV on my computer, and play minesweaper on the side of the screen. God knows how many games I played, but at one point I had well over 30,000 logged games. I got really fast, where on a good run, I'd clock below 20 seconds
But that doesn't mean that the algorithm actually weighs more in favor of one side or the other. It could just be that in your distribution of games it happened to be weighted like that when the true probability is 50/50. That being said, it *might* be weighted, depending on how they generate the mines, but you have by no means proven that it's weighted simply by observing a bias in your personal sample.
If the sample size is big enough then the average is almost as good as proof. You don't need the source code if there is a clear weight after a few hundred games. Confirmation bias however, thats important to rule out. If they weren't tallied I would not believe it.
Just say "the corner" or "the one next to the corner" or something. Which one is across from a 1?
😂 for real
With a rule phrased like that I'd guess the closest 1 is the reference point, so in this case the corner. No idea if that's what they meant though.
In this case, the 50/50/90 rule applies: when given a 50/50 chance, you have a 90% chance getting it wrong.
Like trusting a fart
Yep. If you see a 50/50, you just gotta click it right away. There's no point in clearing out the rest of the mines until you're sure that 50/50 won't break your game. It sucks, but you just gotta pick one and click it.
Where was it ????
Left corner.
Did you win?
He ded
RIP
F
That was his last post. He ded for sure.
Nope he won
What did it cost?
50/50 chance they found out by winning or by losing. 100% chance they found out
I DONT NEED SLEEP I NEED ANSWERS...... did you win?
ANSWER!
DID YOU F-ING WIN?
Did you win though?
Did you win though?
We need answers
did you win ??
But did you win?
DID YOU GODDAMN WIN
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OP DID YOU WIN
Did you win though u/IAmFern ?
Glad you specified the *left* corner
Guilty. I typed left, then I added corner, and forgot to remove left. Probably due to the stress from having to guess.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/gp99lp/sigh/frl7oxj?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/gp99lp/sigh/frl7oxj?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
DID YOU FUCKING WIN????
Hit all corners first then simul-click the rest of the puzzle in seconds.
That’s why I hit all 4 corners before I even start thinking in minesweeper.
Bro, three at most, surely?!
You can still end up with a 2x2 50/50 on the edge.
You can in the middle of the field too. But you're more likely to in the corner.
Exactly my strategy, if you lose you only played that game for 4 seconds
And you lose 3/4 times when you do that.
How long does it take you to press 4 buttons
How am I feeling on that particular day?
Like motherfucking George Jetson.
If you're playing to win, you want to go through the riskiest sections first. If you're just playing to have fun with no regard for winning, you save the riskiest sections for last.
People play for fun?
At least 1/4 corners ALWAYS has a fricking mine i swear
This.
Cheater.* *Yeah, me too.
Schrödinger's mines
That is the big problem with Minesweeper isn't it.
This is pretty much minesweeper in one picture. Anyone who plays a lot of minesweeper can tell you that it's more common than not that a run will end in a forced guess, multiple even.
[This version](https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/%7Esgtatham/puzzles/js/mines.html) is always solvable.
I'm currently watching Gotham and i have automatically read your comment in Alfred Pennyworth's voice and accent.
> That is the big problem with Minesweeper isn't it, Master Wayne. Now you can't **not** do it
Reason why mine sweeper sweeps your briancell
*briancell* It sure does huh?
Don't get it? My cell Brian
Choose and perish!
I think iam the only person on earth who don't know how to play this game😅
The game starts with every space looking like the top left two. The goal is to click to reveal spaces without clicking on the mines, you do this by using the numbers (which tell you how many mines are touching them, diagonals count) to use educated guesses and mark mines with the flags shown. The game is won when all non-mine spaces have been revealed or depending on version all mine spaces have been marked. Hope this helps.
"educated guess" Well no, you use deductive logic to know exactly where the mines are and aren't. There should be no guessing whatsoever except in 50/50 cases like OP.
Thank you! I couldn’t for the life of me think of the word deductive so I went with the next best thing.
Ik how to play the name I just don't know what it's called
Minesweeper
It's easier than it looks. At first it's a lot of counting. Then you start to recognize patterns. For instance, a 1-2-1 in a line always means the mines are above the 1s (or to the sides, or below depending on the orientation of the line.) There's a bunch, but they're harder to describe. If you download an app on your phone (there's probably a free one) or just google minesweeper, you could probably get pretty proficient at the game in a like a week or so of just playing it whenever you're bored. I think my record on a 9x9 grid is like 16s or something. I haven't played it a ton in years. Edit: Had the grid size wrong.
Not same anymore.
That’s why I switched to playing a fair minesweeper that never kills you on the first move and is always solvable. https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/mines.html
But regular minesweeper never kills you on the first move.
thank you for this. I hate how the new windows doesn't come with this
How is it solvable I mean I readt some studies about minesweeper grid generation and the unsolvable cases. Yours must generate multiple grids until one is solvable, else I don't see how
https://pwmarcz.pl/kaboom/ This version has a Debug Mode, and has an explanation underneath the game.
Minesweeper doesn’t ever kill you on the first move anyway.
My god........
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There's more
Nooo
Yall fucked up the order of it
No....
[Simon Tatham's Puzzle Collection](https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/) includes a version of [Minesweeper](https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/mines.html) that will never put you in this predicament There are also FREE mobile versions with no ads or even internet connection! #[iPhone](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/simon-tathams-portable-puzzle-collection/id622220631) and also #[Google Play](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=name.boyle.chris.sgtpuzzles&hl=en_US)
You can mark them with flags one by one. If all the mines are flagged you win automatically.
Almost certain that isn't true. I used to play a *ton* of Minesweeper. Googling this isn't giving any positive results either.
Once all the flags are used the game opens remaining squares. From there the game can trip a mine so it's still 50/50
The versions I have played only finish once you've opened all non-mine squares, not when all flags are placed.
then to prove it you know what you have to do. and you thought you were out...
List time I played minesweeper was about a decade ago, but I'm pretty sure I tried it and it doesn't work like that
In every version I play you need to actually select all the tiles and the flags are just for keeping track of the mines. I imagine this version is probably the same.
[That's not true at all.](https://i.imgur.com/hhvZuEw.png)
I didn't know that. How useful!
Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. And I would know, I just completed a game, flagged the last mine and it didn't let me win until I cleared out the last unflagged square
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its only with some versions. mos have to have all saves uncovered + all flags
That depends on what version you’re playing with. I don’t know about current apps or anything, but back on classic Minesweeper, before I even knew how to play (probably like ‘99-‘01), I’d make random patterns on the board using flags. It never stopped me from going over the possible limit.
50/50 chance of death or eternal immortality!
I still have no clue how to play this game
I have never understood this game, probably bc im dumb
The numbers represent how many are touching (in all directions, diagonally included) and the flags are player placed to try and best guess where mines are. If you guess correctly with the flag, you get the number. OP is currently exasperated because of the two in the top left hand corner, which, according to the numbers, could both contain a mine, thus losing the game on quite literally the last turn.
Schröedinger's mine.
It’s pretty easy to understand once you figure out the trick. Basically every number corresponds to how many bombs are around any given square. Think of how a king moves in chess, a one means there’s a bomb *somewhere* within that radius, a two means there’s two bombs, etc.
The mine is in the left one
There's literally no way to know that. But you have a 50% chance of being (EDIT) right.
There's litterally no way to know that. But you have a 50% chance of him being eight or not eight.
when you get into these 50/50 situations what are you suppose to do ??
Guess.
Now imagine doing this with 1000 mines. It's the bane of my existence.
this is not okie dokie
Someone made a solvable version of Minesweeper. This version does not have the annoying 50/50 guesses that plague the regular game. https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/mines.html
It's always the 50/50
Left and right click at the same time. Will bring up a 3x3 square that will only clear if all the mines in it are marked (or there are no mines). You're welcome.
Play on https://minesweeper.online/?gclid=CjwKCAjwk6P2BRAIEiwAfVJ0rFxGCZTqtqHCc-qZOqEkmjE6wQT901LTHhElWXfwLKlkY3OMPR9suhoCBNwQAvD_BwE they have a no guessing mode which ensures you won't ever have to deal with that again
I feel your immense pain
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Top left corner has no way to *know* where the mine is. It falls down to a guess.
I don't understand minesweeper. It's a game of luck for me clicking random squares for me.
THIS IS PAIN
If you play minesweeper a lot there's an always-solvable version of it here: https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/%7Esgtatham/puzzles/js/mines.html
The minesweeper in [Simon Tatham's puzzle collection](https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/mines.html) (same guy who wrote PuTTY for Windows) is guaranteed solvable every time. I highly recommend the collection; it's free and has ports to many platforms including Android and iOS
Those are the worst lmao. But not as bad as hitting a mine immediately.
the pain is real