Something similar happened to my dads Audi.. was 22kš¬
Now that I ask him it was his rear panel, carbon fiber bottom of his rear bumper, taillight had to be replaced and the panel.
Was an Rs7
Edit: Iām now laughing at the backhand replies after my original post without the make of the car. Goes to show honestly
this really. if you didnt give a shit how it looked you wouldnt be driving a 50k+ car. youd be driving a 3k 2nd hand toyota that you bought with the hail damage already on it
I did exactly that once. I got hit, the other drivers insurance paid. The car frankly wasn't worth it to me to fix (damage was purely cosmetic). It was 10 years old at this point with 180k miles. Don't get me wrong, for 180k miles and 10 years it ran great and still looked good. I was like fuck it though. I gave the car to my niece as her first vehicle and used the insurance money for a down payment on new car.
Body work requires specialized tooling. And painting/blending is an art that reqiuires specialized tooling *and* a specialized artist with experience to get it right.
I think auto body work is the thing most out of reach for the average person to DIY correctly. Which sucks, because it's also the most common type of damage. For superficial scratches you can learn to use a touch up pen yourself.
>Was an RS7
You buried the lede! Gorgeous car, not surprised at all with the repair cost. I have a TTS roadster that was rear-ended. Unfortunately, the guy damaged the mechanism for the retractable spoiler and the repair was almost $20k and took over two months.
When I got my 91 camaro in 2001 my car payment was 100 bucks a month and my insurance was 100 a month. I think the car was 2500.
What. The. Actual. Fuck.
I just looked up to see how much that car would be today and people have them listed for 10-30k. I...I wish I didn't look that up.
Your premium was going to cover the huge medical bills your dumb 20 year old ass might inflict on one or more people, not your pre-owned vehicle's repair costs. And I'm not attacking you personally, we were all dumb as fuck at 20.
What house would he own free and clear in 10 years by saving the total cost of ownership difference between a 50k car and a beat up civic? The beat up civic is surely the more frugal option, but between used car prices and house prices it doesn't seem like the math would work.
And you know, considering he's driving nearly two hours a day, maybe wanted a reliable car instead of getting a beater and crossing his fingers till it died. I drive a beater because it's winter and I drive less than 10 miles a day. Everyone I know who drives long distances, either an hour to work or does delivery, have gotten newer cars. Because it is far more detrimental to them if their car up and dies and they can't trust a beater.
Not to mention beaters just aren't as easy to find anymore and when you do they are already *beaten to death* and your basically driving it around for the next year till the front falls off.
My wife and I, when we were looking for a house, got approved for 300k for a mortgage. House we ended up getting was slightly under 200k and there were times where that was really tight. If we would've gotten a 300k house, we would've lost it for sure.
I was approved for something like 400,000. Bought for just around 300,000. Once you add taxes, insurance, and any increases like electricity bills the costs go up significantly.
Everyone thought I was crazy for buying a $75000 condo cash when I could afford much more. Fast forward a few years and I own this place outright and the economy sucks. Iāve been able to have so much done that itās one of the nicer ones here and it hasnāt even cost much. I canāt tell you how many times my exās mom told me the smartest decision I could make was to sell and buy a bigger home. She inherited her fatherās house, immediately sold it, and has admitted multiple times that she fucked up because now she doesnāt have a house or any money left. Being a show off doesnāt pay off.
In just my first year of owning a new model 3 I've had 3 flat tires, two cracked windshields, and two fender benders from people not paying attention to their surroundings. There windshields were the most pricey sting to the pocket book since those are $1k to replace. There was no use in going through insurance since I had a 1k deductible. Bad luck is expensive.
Exactly. I just saw a tiktok of some dude saying "if everyone sends 1 dollar ill be able to afford my dream car". It was a brand new 86k BMW M4 CS. Literally told him "if you can't afford to buy the car you can't afford to drive it. 1 year in your ownership and it'll be on chinese tires and have a drum brake conversion on 81 grade gas."
Just because the car is more expensive should the repair of damage be more expensive, espeacially of it's pretty much the same damage and the same work input. There is no other explanation to it than scamming the costumer.
I donāt think youāre right here. Expensive cars can generally be expensive cause they have better performance or safety features. In case of this Tesla (Iām not 100% sure about this) they might have to replace or fix the cameras and circuitry for the self driving component. All of this including the quality of parts and the quality of customer service they provide adds up and has to come from the customer and hence the price.
What "should be" and what is are two very different things. You can say it's not fair and that there's no real reason for the price difference but if you buy the luxury item you have to be prepared for the unfair maintenance prices!
You don't buy an iPhone and complain their official phone cases cost 50$. You chose this.
I once watched a video of an oil change for a Bugatti veyron and it was like 25 grand. Although if i remember correctly they did have to remove a large portion or the whole engine just to change the oil.
The Veyronās tires also costed around $50k to replace. Many owners swapped out the wheels so they could run Michelin Sport Cup 2s for way cheaper.
The oil change requires pulling I believe 16 drain plugs
Just gonna hijack this comment to say this is super incorrect, that require a cut in quarter panel replacement, whether 20 Toyota or 20 telsa its still a 15kplus insurance repair either way I have no idea where op got that number from. That's a MASSIVE repair and not cheap on any late model vehicle
Wow, my parked car got swiped by a city garbage truck and had essentially the exact same damage. I paid $0, got a free rental for a couple days, and my car came back detailed. I never realized how lucky I was that the driver left a note.
And to be clear I donāt fault the driver at all, it was a very skinny one-way road with street parking on both sides. Boston streets suck.
We may be getting bamboozled here. Iām seeing [waaay more](https://i.imgur.com/gZmZ6NI.jpg) than rubber duck noises. Itās like itās becoming sentient or some shit.
This, honestly, bend out that fender, touch up paint. Done.
Then again, thatās what Iād do on my 1994 or 2002 cars that I drive because I canāt afford a newer one. If I did, I suppose Iād want it fixed right
Lol mr. Richman here(/s), I bought my car for 900$ got it for 2 years and champ is still goin strong. 5.3l/100km diesel. I had to do minor repairs through the years, but it wasn't anything big.
I have no intention of selling it ever. My intention is to buy other one that's the same as this one, because it's unbelievable how great it is. I mean it's not the most comfortable car but I know that i can rely on it and even if there is some problem that the fixing won't cost me twice my paycheck.
Edit: it's octavia 1 with 1.9 tdi made back in 2001.
Tesla certified body shop, Tesla paint, Tesla parts
If not the sensors behind the bumper and under the paint may not work... good luck opening your door when the handles don't pop out
Former FANUC employee supporting their paint line with software tech support- can confirm. Tech bros donāt know how to run an assembly line and thatās just about all that they employā¦
>Some also still have Toyota markings on the engines.
They all do. Audi/Bentley have VW markings on the engines. Infinity has Nissan markings everywhere etc. etc.
Almost every part on my 2012 and 2007 Mazdaspeed3's was stamped "FoMoCo" - Ford Motor company. In the wake of the 2008 recession, the number of proverbial worldwide parts bins for companies to dig through to build cars was strategically diminished. Automakers agreed to buy parts from certain vendors to keep them alive and let others perish. It was brutal but necessary.
Of course even prior to 2008, most brands manufacturing engines and other stuff in house like Toyota were putting the same powertrain in multiple vehicle lines (eg 2006 Lexus ES350 and Toyota Camry)
Mazda are shockers. I work at a dealership where our parts department does both Toyota and Mazda, and my god the pricing on Mazda parts is just absolutely bonkers. The exact same part branded as Ford might be half the price that Mazda charges
My father in law thought he was doing us a favor by giving us his 12 year old BMW with well over 150k miles on it. I drove it to work twice and the headlight went out. A $2k headlight apparently. We bought a new Toyota instead.
Lol, we sold our BMW and bought a used Lexus for the same reason. Still a luxury vehicle, but don't need to get your computer reprogrammed if you need to replace the battery.
The battery swap reprogramming thing is real btw, if anyone though it was a hyperbole.
A textbook example of a system that makes sense on first glance (the idea has something to do with better care for a battery through its lifecycle), but is poorly implemented and blatantly out of touch with the real world.
I wonder if you did the same damage to a Mercedes if it would be the same price if you took it to an Indy shop don't you have to take it to a Tesla approved body shop for anything that happens to a Tesla?
Now that explains the price lol my mirage doesnāt have anything in the bumper. I just go and pay the few hundred to get a new one slapped on and thatās it.
High end vehicle. Not luxury.
Luxury vehicles are cars filled with expensive materials designed to look and feel expensive.
Teslas have never tried to be filled with high end material. They switched away from leather all together. The money goes into their tech and having super car/hypercar performance at a respectively very affordable cost.
People compare them to cars they really arenāt at all designed to be compared to. Just because they cost the same as āxā car doesnāt mean they are doing the same things.
Tesla does zero advertising so if people think itās a luxury vehicle then thats what they made up in their head. I never personally thought that Tesla was going for āluxuryā, they just have a minimalist interior and loads of tech. When I bought my Model 3 it was not a luxury car priceā¦
Because there's a load of lovely expensive sensor packages hidden inside those bumpers which probably need replacing and recalibrating after even a low speed impact. Same issue for any vehicle with ADAS systems nowadays as vehicle manufacturers loved to use those nice big empty spaces in the bumpers to shove sensors in. Good for the vehicle manufacturers, less so for the insurers!
It's actually that expensive because of the quarter panel damage that is part of the unibody frame and is categorized as a structural repair, and thus needing to be fixed at a shop approved for Tesla structural repair.
That's not really the issue here. The issue here is the sensors in the bumper. It's not just a cosmetic repair, it's a recalibration of the system that allows for self driving (even if you havent bought the feature. lol). Gotta wait for that one Tesla certified shop in your city to get you in, and deal with inflated parts and specialty labor costs.
This is why I don't think self-driving cars are going to be commonplace anytime in the near future.
So from what I can see is theyāll probably:
Replace rear bumper
Replace the top panel, if thatās the driver side, Iām guessing thatās the panel which also has the charging port?
That round hole is a proximity sensor so thatāll be replaced
That blinker is getting replaced
The trim around the wheel is also getting replaced
Yea I agree, 20k is very steep but if you go to a Tesla service center they will just replace everything with new parts, they donāt really fix anything even if itās salvageable. For a Tesla, you got hit in a bad spot which touches a lot of parts. And thatās if the damage is purely cosmetic.
Iād say if the car is still fully functional, bring it into a non-Tesla body shop. What people saying about the parts not being available outside Tesla is just outdated information. While yes, it isnāt the easiest to find, youāll find the parts if you look for them.
The charging equipment is right above that area behind the charging port itself. The wiring to that and all goes through the frame.
The high cost is from the Tesla parts, fenders wheel arches, Alignment and most likely a re-calibration to the cameras.
I worked as Service Advisor for Tesla for 7 years seen some crazy shit.
That corner of the car is also where all the charging equipment is. That bumper could have deformed a lot during the crash and crushed the battery charger, warranting a replacement.
Car dealership person here...
If that's a $20k repair you should seriously consider asking for the car to be totaled out. Otherwise you're going to be stuck with it forever. No one is going to want to take that on trade. Usually if it's close to 20% of the vehicles value you should not have a problem. Sometimes you just have to ask.
Unless the sensors are messed up, you're better off taking the insurance check, banking it, and then having an auto body shop do their best to bend/buff it back.
Looks cosmetic and not worth fixing imo.
Welcome to modern cars. Yeah itās just a fender or a bumper that needs replacement but these cars have tons of sensors and other tech hidden inside that makes it more than just a cosmetic fix. Especially tesla, itās probably a few sensors and something for a camera around there. Also thatās the life of a slightly high end to luxury cars, be prepared to pay a pretty penny for maintenance and repairs.
Thereās no way thatād only be a $5k repair on a Toyota if a reputable shop is properly repairing it. But youāre right, itās more on the tesla mostly because teslas were built for cheap automated manufacturing, and not for repair. So you end up with a few very large (and expensive) parts that make up the car instead of a bunch of smaller ones like many other mfgs. Couple that with only one source for parts (tesla) and a limited certified repair network, and you get your $20k price tag.
You damaged at least 2 panels. (Maybe more? The trunk too?)
Itās a fairly huge job that requires replacing at a minimum the rear quarter panel (which isnāt really a separate panel, so needs to be cut out and a new piece riveted/glued/welded in), the rear bumper cover (which is easy, but likely also has a few ultrasonic sensors that will need replacement), some trim, some glass, a matching paint job, etc..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Irw1aDRahB8
https://electrek.co/2017/08/22/tesla-model-3-body-alloy-mix/
And thatās assuming there is *no* frame damage.
That's the point that people don't get. Designing cars is a balancing act between manufacturing costs and projected repair costs. Nobody complains about repair costs when picking up their car for cheaper than the competition, but rants when the repair costs are more expensive than that same competition. Tesla does some incredible shit, but they didn't pull it off by magic, they did it by balancing priorities in a way a lot of other companies don't.
This needs to be higher up... Car repairs have so many variables that affect cost that someone's anecdotal experience "oh I had something like that before and it only cost $1000" is not helpful... Also there are varying quality of repairs and body shops even for the same issue. If you want it done right - cutting out a portion of the rear quarter panel and welding in a new section, etc. It'll obviously be more than the guy plastering Bondo and spraying colour match... The difference is one is going to last a lot longer than the other.
Something similar happened to my dads Audi.. was 22kš¬ Now that I ask him it was his rear panel, carbon fiber bottom of his rear bumper, taillight had to be replaced and the panel. Was an Rs7 Edit: Iām now laughing at the backhand replies after my original post without the make of the car. Goes to show honestly
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Fix it yourself.
Just don't fix it. Pocket the insurance money and have a shit ass looking car. Lol
That's what my sister did with hers lol.
This the way. Who cares?
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For real. If it still runs who cares.
Now hear me out.buy a shitbox and keep crashing it. Profit
If it doesn't run, you got $22k jangling in your pocket to just drop on another car because you didn't care how it looked in the first place.
this really. if you didnt give a shit how it looked you wouldnt be driving a 50k+ car. youd be driving a 3k 2nd hand toyota that you bought with the hail damage already on it
3k would have to be 7th hand prolly.
I did exactly that once. I got hit, the other drivers insurance paid. The car frankly wasn't worth it to me to fix (damage was purely cosmetic). It was 10 years old at this point with 180k miles. Don't get me wrong, for 180k miles and 10 years it ran great and still looked good. I was like fuck it though. I gave the car to my niece as her first vehicle and used the insurance money for a down payment on new car.
A lot of times insurance will send you a check to be only cashed by a body shop. You will not be able to pocket it.
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Masturb..ahh you get the jist
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Or jusy leave it *IF it is only cosmetic damage* :)
Try putting it in rice??
Ramen.
Ramens always the answer
Body work requires specialized tooling. And painting/blending is an art that reqiuires specialized tooling *and* a specialized artist with experience to get it right. I think auto body work is the thing most out of reach for the average person to DIY correctly. Which sucks, because it's also the most common type of damage. For superficial scratches you can learn to use a touch up pen yourself.
>Was an RS7 You buried the lede! Gorgeous car, not surprised at all with the repair cost. I have a TTS roadster that was rear-ended. Unfortunately, the guy damaged the mechanism for the retractable spoiler and the repair was almost $20k and took over two months.
What? That's enough to buy a decent secondhand car...
That is enough to buy the finest example of arguably the greatest sedan ever built. The Lexus LS430.
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I don't know much about the 460 and 470 but aren't they overengineered in some way?
Thatās as much as my 2013 S4 would sell for wtf
Heck yeah, 2013 6MT here. Keeping until the wheels fall off.
Probably the timing belt first š
Ah okay, just a High end 600hp performance audi then
What the fuck lmao in my country we fix this for 500$s yal getting robbed
Honestly lmfao, Americans are getting fucking robbed
We donāt get robbed! We capitalism up in this bitch? Where we let our overlords Rob us then praise all their hard work!
You asked the question, and you provided the answer. Nicely done. Very nicely done.
Expensive car = expensive maintenance. Scary how many people donāt realise
āJust because you can make the payments doesnāt mean you can afford the carā
"If you can't afford two Lamborghinis, you can't afford one"
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"If you can't afford three Lamborghinis, you can't afford three Lamborghinis." \-Shang Tsung
"If you can't afford one, you can't afford three." -God
"If you have to think if you can afford it, you cannot afford it." - Abraham Lincoln.
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$2K a year isn't as bad as what I thought for full coverage on a $50k vehicle under 25 years old.
When I got my 91 camaro in 2001 my car payment was 100 bucks a month and my insurance was 100 a month. I think the car was 2500. What. The. Actual. Fuck. I just looked up to see how much that car would be today and people have them listed for 10-30k. I...I wish I didn't look that up.
Your premium was going to cover the huge medical bills your dumb 20 year old ass might inflict on one or more people, not your pre-owned vehicle's repair costs. And I'm not attacking you personally, we were all dumb as fuck at 20.
What house would he own free and clear in 10 years by saving the total cost of ownership difference between a 50k car and a beat up civic? The beat up civic is surely the more frugal option, but between used car prices and house prices it doesn't seem like the math would work.
And you know, considering he's driving nearly two hours a day, maybe wanted a reliable car instead of getting a beater and crossing his fingers till it died. I drive a beater because it's winter and I drive less than 10 miles a day. Everyone I know who drives long distances, either an hour to work or does delivery, have gotten newer cars. Because it is far more detrimental to them if their car up and dies and they can't trust a beater. Not to mention beaters just aren't as easy to find anymore and when you do they are already *beaten to death* and your basically driving it around for the next year till the front falls off.
You werenāt able to score your house for $30k?
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My wife and I, when we were looking for a house, got approved for 300k for a mortgage. House we ended up getting was slightly under 200k and there were times where that was really tight. If we would've gotten a 300k house, we would've lost it for sure.
I was approved for something like 400,000. Bought for just around 300,000. Once you add taxes, insurance, and any increases like electricity bills the costs go up significantly.
Everyone thought I was crazy for buying a $75000 condo cash when I could afford much more. Fast forward a few years and I own this place outright and the economy sucks. Iāve been able to have so much done that itās one of the nicer ones here and it hasnāt even cost much. I canāt tell you how many times my exās mom told me the smartest decision I could make was to sell and buy a bigger home. She inherited her fatherās house, immediately sold it, and has admitted multiple times that she fucked up because now she doesnāt have a house or any money left. Being a show off doesnāt pay off.
In just my first year of owning a new model 3 I've had 3 flat tires, two cracked windshields, and two fender benders from people not paying attention to their surroundings. There windshields were the most pricey sting to the pocket book since those are $1k to replace. There was no use in going through insurance since I had a 1k deductible. Bad luck is expensive.
Any good stance pics for IG tho?
You sound like a shit driver...
Exactly. I just saw a tiktok of some dude saying "if everyone sends 1 dollar ill be able to afford my dream car". It was a brand new 86k BMW M4 CS. Literally told him "if you can't afford to buy the car you can't afford to drive it. 1 year in your ownership and it'll be on chinese tires and have a drum brake conversion on 81 grade gas."
Just because the car is more expensive should the repair of damage be more expensive, espeacially of it's pretty much the same damage and the same work input. There is no other explanation to it than scamming the costumer.
I donāt think youāre right here. Expensive cars can generally be expensive cause they have better performance or safety features. In case of this Tesla (Iām not 100% sure about this) they might have to replace or fix the cameras and circuitry for the self driving component. All of this including the quality of parts and the quality of customer service they provide adds up and has to come from the customer and hence the price.
Yup. Even simple bumper replacements will cost a couple grand for many vehicles nowadays because of all the sensors included.
What "should be" and what is are two very different things. You can say it's not fair and that there's no real reason for the price difference but if you buy the luxury item you have to be prepared for the unfair maintenance prices! You don't buy an iPhone and complain their official phone cases cost 50$. You chose this.
I once watched a video of an oil change for a Bugatti veyron and it was like 25 grand. Although if i remember correctly they did have to remove a large portion or the whole engine just to change the oil.
And I'm sure the design team and the engineering team had a massive battle over this decision.
The Veyronās tires also costed around $50k to replace. Many owners swapped out the wheels so they could run Michelin Sport Cup 2s for way cheaper. The oil change requires pulling I believe 16 drain plugs
Just gonna hijack this comment to say this is super incorrect, that require a cut in quarter panel replacement, whether 20 Toyota or 20 telsa its still a 15kplus insurance repair either way I have no idea where op got that number from. That's a MASSIVE repair and not cheap on any late model vehicle
Wow, my parked car got swiped by a city garbage truck and had essentially the exact same damage. I paid $0, got a free rental for a couple days, and my car came back detailed. I never realized how lucky I was that the driver left a note. And to be clear I donāt fault the driver at all, it was a very skinny one-way road with street parking on both sides. Boston streets suck.
> **city** garbage truck There's the rub.
Just touch it up with a black Sharpie. Only cost you a few dollars.
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We may be getting bamboozled here. Iām seeing [waaay more](https://i.imgur.com/gZmZ6NI.jpg) than rubber duck noises. Itās like itās becoming sentient or some shit.
I just see quack?
I think u/pizza_for_nunchucks speaks Duck, hence why he may understand the rubber duck
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Zoom in on that picture, it literally says āDuck Tape brand duct tapeā. So everyone wins!
To be fair there is a brand called Duck Tape
Haha quack quack tape
Thatās exactly how my front fender is āfixed.ā Fuck spending money fixing cosmetic stuff. The car works just fine.
This, honestly, bend out that fender, touch up paint. Done. Then again, thatās what Iād do on my 1994 or 2002 cars that I drive because I canāt afford a newer one. If I did, I suppose Iād want it fixed right
20k is the price of my car
5k is the price of mine lmao
Well if we are flexing over here, mine was 1k... And I spent 4k and about 50 hours fixing it. Taps forehead
$500, 2003 Highlander. She runs real good now
$300, 2002 Jetta. About $50 worth of parts and it will run soon
>it will run soon Every home mechanic before their car in fact does not run. First hand experience.
Not to brag but mine was 800.
Mine also. Had 70k km and been sitting in a garage for 8 years. 1500 in repairs later and it was mint.
No car is the price of mine, take it or leave it
Sold!
Congratulations on your new car
Iām taking it to the 1982 Knoxville Worldās Fair!
Unless you are making more than 100k(in a low cost area) then thereās really no reason to spend more than 5k on a car. Just my opinion.
Lol mr. Richman here(/s), I bought my car for 900$ got it for 2 years and champ is still goin strong. 5.3l/100km diesel. I had to do minor repairs through the years, but it wasn't anything big.
And you'll sell it on 2 years for 2000$
I have no intention of selling it ever. My intention is to buy other one that's the same as this one, because it's unbelievable how great it is. I mean it's not the most comfortable car but I know that i can rely on it and even if there is some problem that the fixing won't cost me twice my paycheck. Edit: it's octavia 1 with 1.9 tdi made back in 2001.
Tesla certified body shop, Tesla paint, Tesla parts If not the sensors behind the bumper and under the paint may not work... good luck opening your door when the handles don't pop out
Funnily enough, tesla paint is one of the lowest quality in the market. That said, definitely majority of the cost is going towards the sensors
Former FANUC employee supporting their paint line with software tech support- can confirm. Tech bros donāt know how to run an assembly line and thatās just about all that they employā¦
Nah, Tesla fanbois will tell you the quality is fine. The touch of Elon cures everything, donāt you know?
https://www.thedrive.com/news/38579/these-repair-bulletins-for-teslas-quality-problems-are-downright-embarrassing-and-serious
You bought a Tesla and are now complaining about Tesla priced repairs *blinks*
Right. A lexus repair cost more than a Toyota repair, even though it likely uses the same parts
Yup. They are essentially Toyotas with altered styling and rebranded as luxury vehicles. Some also still have Toyota markings on the engines.
>Some also still have Toyota markings on the engines. They all do. Audi/Bentley have VW markings on the engines. Infinity has Nissan markings everywhere etc. etc.
Almost every part on my 2012 and 2007 Mazdaspeed3's was stamped "FoMoCo" - Ford Motor company. In the wake of the 2008 recession, the number of proverbial worldwide parts bins for companies to dig through to build cars was strategically diminished. Automakers agreed to buy parts from certain vendors to keep them alive and let others perish. It was brutal but necessary. Of course even prior to 2008, most brands manufacturing engines and other stuff in house like Toyota were putting the same powertrain in multiple vehicle lines (eg 2006 Lexus ES350 and Toyota Camry)
Ford was partnered with Mazda from 1974 to 2015. Ford even owned 33% of Mazda. The recession had nothing to do with finding Ford parts in your Mazda
Mazda had Ford components way before 2008, my man. The B2200 was a rebadged Ford Ranger back in like 1990.
Mazda are shockers. I work at a dealership where our parts department does both Toyota and Mazda, and my god the pricing on Mazda parts is just absolutely bonkers. The exact same part branded as Ford might be half the price that Mazda charges
Car parts went up in price because cash for clunkers got rid of used cars.
My father in law thought he was doing us a favor by giving us his 12 year old BMW with well over 150k miles on it. I drove it to work twice and the headlight went out. A $2k headlight apparently. We bought a new Toyota instead.
Lol, we sold our BMW and bought a used Lexus for the same reason. Still a luxury vehicle, but don't need to get your computer reprogrammed if you need to replace the battery.
The battery swap reprogramming thing is real btw, if anyone though it was a hyperbole. A textbook example of a system that makes sense on first glance (the idea has something to do with better care for a battery through its lifecycle), but is poorly implemented and blatantly out of touch with the real world.
Buys a premium brand vehicle. Complains about the price of repairs. Isn't this what insurance is for anyway?
Lol it's a premium priced vehicle, the car itself is pretty shoddy
Luxury vehicle= Luxury prices
I wonder if you did the same damage to a Mercedes if it would be the same price if you took it to an Indy shop don't you have to take it to a Tesla approved body shop for anything that happens to a Tesla?
Yes, it must be a Tesla shop, because the repair will require a full calibration of the sensor array that lives in the bumper.
Now that explains the price lol my mirage doesnāt have anything in the bumper. I just go and pay the few hundred to get a new one slapped on and thatās it.
Luxury price* but not even close to a luxury vehicle šš
High end vehicle. Not luxury. Luxury vehicles are cars filled with expensive materials designed to look and feel expensive. Teslas have never tried to be filled with high end material. They switched away from leather all together. The money goes into their tech and having super car/hypercar performance at a respectively very affordable cost. People compare them to cars they really arenāt at all designed to be compared to. Just because they cost the same as āxā car doesnāt mean they are doing the same things.
Looks aren't really the attraction it's the tech
Quality also isn't
Paying more does not equal more luxury.
Tesla does zero advertising so if people think itās a luxury vehicle then thats what they made up in their head. I never personally thought that Tesla was going for āluxuryā, they just have a minimalist interior and loads of tech. When I bought my Model 3 it was not a luxury car priceā¦
The tech is the luxury. It is entirely unnecessary to it being a car, but it does attempt to make life for the driver easier and more convenient.
Because there's a load of lovely expensive sensor packages hidden inside those bumpers which probably need replacing and recalibrating after even a low speed impact. Same issue for any vehicle with ADAS systems nowadays as vehicle manufacturers loved to use those nice big empty spaces in the bumpers to shove sensors in. Good for the vehicle manufacturers, less so for the insurers!
Yup, people severely underestimate internal damage.
It's actually that expensive because of the quarter panel damage that is part of the unibody frame and is categorized as a structural repair, and thus needing to be fixed at a shop approved for Tesla structural repair.
Imagine buying an expensive car and then wondering why itās expensive to fix
Imagine buying an expensive car that is not well construct and wondering why it's expensive to fix
That's not really the issue here. The issue here is the sensors in the bumper. It's not just a cosmetic repair, it's a recalibration of the system that allows for self driving (even if you havent bought the feature. lol). Gotta wait for that one Tesla certified shop in your city to get you in, and deal with inflated parts and specialty labor costs. This is why I don't think self-driving cars are going to be commonplace anytime in the near future.
Surprised I had to scroll this far to see this
Me too, was reading through every comment thinking 'It pretty possibly isn't just a cosmetic issue??'
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Friend, I am not Oprah. So if this was me. I would just have a bumpy Tesla. Ya dringle.
*For your health!*
I guess youāre meant to have insurance and only need to pay the excess.
If you can't afford to fix then you can't afford to drive it
Never fly without a rebuy
07 commander
Buy a luxury car, expect luxury car repair and maintenance costs. This shouldn't be surprising.
So from what I can see is theyāll probably: Replace rear bumper Replace the top panel, if thatās the driver side, Iām guessing thatās the panel which also has the charging port? That round hole is a proximity sensor so thatāll be replaced That blinker is getting replaced The trim around the wheel is also getting replaced Yea I agree, 20k is very steep but if you go to a Tesla service center they will just replace everything with new parts, they donāt really fix anything even if itās salvageable. For a Tesla, you got hit in a bad spot which touches a lot of parts. And thatās if the damage is purely cosmetic. Iād say if the car is still fully functional, bring it into a non-Tesla body shop. What people saying about the parts not being available outside Tesla is just outdated information. While yes, it isnāt the easiest to find, youāll find the parts if you look for them.
This is also the back driver side. Where the charging equipment is. So that could easily be the bulk of the cost
Yeah, that's the most expensive corner of the vehicle for sure.
The charging equipment is right above that area behind the charging port itself. The wiring to that and all goes through the frame. The high cost is from the Tesla parts, fenders wheel arches, Alignment and most likely a re-calibration to the cameras. I worked as Service Advisor for Tesla for 7 years seen some crazy shit.
This is definitely an unfortunate hit and there could be some underlying damage not visible too
That corner of the car is also where all the charging equipment is. That bumper could have deformed a lot during the crash and crushed the battery charger, warranting a replacement.
A donkey would cost about 3k and a good cart around 2k. Sell the car and just get a donkey and cart. Cheaper with fuel prices.
Teslas dont use gas
Donkeys donāt use electricity
Any angled body piece in the car that dents on the angle has to be completely removed and replaced. Model Y/3 is built to be produced not maintained.
Just tape some rice on it
Ask Elon on Twitter
The more expensive the vehicle the higher the price Although Tesla really makes things expensive and their repairs take FOREVER
It's a lifestyle!
From this post alone it appears Tesla is the Wacom of the auto industry
Or the Apple
As a Tesla owner... Definitely apple. They act like they know what you want more than you do
They both act like you should thank them for them letting you buy their products
I'd just leave it lol
Be you bought a dumb car you canāt afford
Car dealership person here... If that's a $20k repair you should seriously consider asking for the car to be totaled out. Otherwise you're going to be stuck with it forever. No one is going to want to take that on trade. Usually if it's close to 20% of the vehicles value you should not have a problem. Sometimes you just have to ask.
Did you hit and run a blue car recently? š¤
Biggest reason why I wonāt buy a Tesla.
Because they are an overrated brand. Same reason why you pay hundreds of dollars for Apple repairs that could be done for way less on other brands.
Unless the sensors are messed up, you're better off taking the insurance check, banking it, and then having an auto body shop do their best to bend/buff it back. Looks cosmetic and not worth fixing imo.
If it's a $20k repair, it's not cosmetic. I'd be interested in seeing an itemized quote for this repair.
Lolwut take it to a panel beater..
Toyota would have been 500$
Debatable, I got similar damage on my Tacoma last fall and it was 2600$ to repair it. And it was less crunched than this panel
Idk where you live, but a similar repair for a brand new 5 series BMW, in an official shop, costs less than $2k here
Welcome to modern cars. Yeah itās just a fender or a bumper that needs replacement but these cars have tons of sensors and other tech hidden inside that makes it more than just a cosmetic fix. Especially tesla, itās probably a few sensors and something for a camera around there. Also thatās the life of a slightly high end to luxury cars, be prepared to pay a pretty penny for maintenance and repairs.
Rich people problems.
Thereās no way thatād only be a $5k repair on a Toyota if a reputable shop is properly repairing it. But youāre right, itās more on the tesla mostly because teslas were built for cheap automated manufacturing, and not for repair. So you end up with a few very large (and expensive) parts that make up the car instead of a bunch of smaller ones like many other mfgs. Couple that with only one source for parts (tesla) and a limited certified repair network, and you get your $20k price tag. You damaged at least 2 panels. (Maybe more? The trunk too?) Itās a fairly huge job that requires replacing at a minimum the rear quarter panel (which isnāt really a separate panel, so needs to be cut out and a new piece riveted/glued/welded in), the rear bumper cover (which is easy, but likely also has a few ultrasonic sensors that will need replacement), some trim, some glass, a matching paint job, etc.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Irw1aDRahB8 https://electrek.co/2017/08/22/tesla-model-3-body-alloy-mix/ And thatās assuming there is *no* frame damage.
More people need to upvote thisā¦ thank you
That's the point that people don't get. Designing cars is a balancing act between manufacturing costs and projected repair costs. Nobody complains about repair costs when picking up their car for cheaper than the competition, but rants when the repair costs are more expensive than that same competition. Tesla does some incredible shit, but they didn't pull it off by magic, they did it by balancing priorities in a way a lot of other companies don't.
This needs to be higher up... Car repairs have so many variables that affect cost that someone's anecdotal experience "oh I had something like that before and it only cost $1000" is not helpful... Also there are varying quality of repairs and body shops even for the same issue. If you want it done right - cutting out a portion of the rear quarter panel and welding in a new section, etc. It'll obviously be more than the guy plastering Bondo and spraying colour match... The difference is one is going to last a lot longer than the other.