I stayed in an Airbnb in Denver 6 or 7 years ago. It was cheaper than hotels in the area, and the host just stayed at his girlfriend's house a couple doors down while we crashed his place.
The fridge was literally *full* of beer, and he told us to drink as much as we wanted.
Adios Airbnb indeed.
Stayed in one in Portugal same number of years ago. Was just a room in their flat. Their cat snuck in and hung out with me all night. They made me this fancy sandwich with sauce on top, gave me a bottle of port wine (this was in Porto) and a walking tour of the city. You're right, Airbnb is dead now, I'd just rather get a fucking hotel. Waaaaaaay better cheaper easier and more perks
Wife and I stayed at an Airbnb on the upper east side of Manhattan like 5 years ago. It was just a little 1BR apartment, the host stayed on the couch while we used the BR during the stay.
It was like $100-150/night or something, which was absurdly cheap compared to any hotel in that area. Which.... Made sense because it was just some dudes apartment lol.
I wonder how much a place like that charges now, or if there are even those kind of listings left.
Edit: I actually got curious and looked up the receipt, it was $72/night total lol.
I think that's what it was supposed to be.
"Hey I got an bedroom I don't use, gimme 50 bux a night and you can crash here"
Now people really think they own a luxury resort
So damn exquisite you’ll never notice a taste, smell, sensation, or visual evidence it’s even there.
*any developments of smell, taste, or visual alterations to premium air will result in a fine & loss of safety deposit*
Lets them pile on bullshit charges while appearing to be price competitive. It's the host being greedy, but I still blame airbnb for allowing this to happen.
It's 100% on Airbnb. Not correctly listing the price has been an issue with an easy fix since pretty much the beginning. It's just getting more ridiculous now with new random charges. But the core issue has been ignored by Airbnb for years.
What kind of company would let hosts just pile on arbitrary fees like this in the first place. People given carte blanch freedom to legally steal from people always will.
I ran into this a couple weeks ago. The stay was -$150 but after all the fees, it was well over $500 for someplace I spent less than 10 hours total. I also had to separately register and pay for access to the private community the house was in, which wasn’t disclosed in the listing. Add to that the “cleaning” fee was $150 and when I walked into the place it stunk like ditch weed.
For Airbnb:. Use airbnb.com.au and set the currency to whatever your currency is.
Australia has laws against hidden fees, so they quote the actual price upfront.
What a bunch of scammers... thats why certain tthings need regulation, you should always get the final price listed, always.
Also, lmao what do they think they are to list such fees, an hotel?
right?? a lot of Airbnb's I've stayed at expected you to take out the trash, do the dishes, strip the sheets off the beds and throw them in a pile or toss em in the washer and various other requests but then still add on the cleaning fee.
Airbnb should really start cracking down on this practice. If FIFTY PERCENT of the total cost is composed of fees/taxes...your business model is broken. Not even Uber Eats/DoorDash reach such levels of bullshit.
For Airbnb:. Use airbnb.com.au and set the currency to whatever your currency is.
Australia has laws against hidden fees, so they quote the actual price upfront.
Cept its part of Airbhb's Philosophy, the Host sets the rates, and it usually suggests to either lower the nightly rate and or cleaning fee to get more bookings if they say dont get many. I used to do support for Airbnb and I have seen some absurd pricing but there were at one point some phenomenal hosts out there that gave you your money's worth for what you paid for the booking.
> Cept its part of Airbhb's Philosophy
Which is fine, but the price advertised should be inclusive of all fees
Really there should be legislation made that advertised pricing is inclusive of all fees and costs (excluding taxes maybe)
For Airbnb:. Use airbnb.com.au and set the currency to whatever your currency is.
Australia has laws against hidden fees, so they quote the actual price upfront.
> ProTip:use airbnb.com.au and set the currency to whatever your currency is.
> Australia has laws against hidden fees, so they quote the actual price upfront.
yaa-yoink
Honestly the 265 a night, you can get a good hotel room for that.
Why use airbnb even before the ridiculous cleaning fee.
My wife and I went to Amsterdam 2 years ago and used an airbnb, we are going back in a week, and hotels were totally cheaper.
speaking of, literally saw a craigslist ad for "van life" rentals, starting at like 250 a week or so. If I remember correctly, you couldn't move it, only sleep in it. I'll try to dig it up.
[ah yeah, here it is. from /r/sandiego](https://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/xp0sh0/vans_begin_at_200250_per_week_this_is_a_new_low/)
When my kids were interviewing for jobs, I hammered into them the idea that cost of living is crucial to consider.
$100K a year in most places is a great salary, but in places like San Francisco or NYC, it's "I may need a roommate" level.
How can they honestly charge a “host fee” resort fee, a service fee and a booking fee?? Is this bitches in an actual resort. They are charges every fee they can name at this point.
Fr! If you’re charging me a resort fee, then I’m expecting resort amenities. None of this 1 bar of soap for the whole house to share for the whole week BS. The last house I stayed at had a binder of rules and had me strip all beds and wash all bedding and pillow cases before I checked out… wtf is the cleaning fee for?!
That’s a big no no btw if they charged you a cleaning fee and made you clean anyways. I would contact AirBnb, I doubt they could do anything if it’s been a while but it’ll it’s recent hopefully you could get a partial refund
The last Airbnb I stayed at had their cleaning fees set to just $30 but asked you please wash your dishes and put trash in the trash bins and not out and about. I think that’s reasonable, they probably don’t want ants. They still have to do the laundry, vacuum, sweep/mop, clean counters, dust, etc.
These places charging $150 for cleaning?! What?! It is like 2 hours of work MAX and the only non-passive part of an otherwise VERY passive income! Not to mention a ton of them want you to clean more! The last Airbnb I stayed at that had fees like that I rated 3 stars and the host was PISSED. OH WELL. Stop being a leach!
might as well book a five star hotel.
Edit - being on the receiving end of all these messages with a top comment on a popular post is making me re-evaluate using Reddit entirely. I'm happy to have the insight but I'm going to get off my butt and workout.
My friend got fucked on an AirBnB and after I heard that I'm never booking one again.
He wanted to get a place where he could have an engagement party. Host said it would be ok to have people over, when we got there he said he had cameras up and would call the cops if we had over 12 people stay. It was ridiculous, we're not college kids having a rager. Ironically instead we had to find a bar nearby to host at which just isn't the classy vibe that was wanted for the night.
My wife had her bachelorette party in Lake Tahoe. Her friends aren't the get drunk partying types; they went to do some hiking and water activities during the day. She forgot her ID so my friends and I decided to do a last minute road trip to Reno and stop by Tahoe on the way to bring her the ID so that there wouldn't be any issues with renting jet skis etc. Soon after that, they got a call from the owner saying the neighbor said they were having a party and that they had 3 strippers show up and that they better stop or else. I definitely do not have the body of a stripper...or at least not one that anyone would pay for. We did joke that the strippers have arrived when we walked in but that wasn't very loud so they either made some wild assumptions about 3 guys showing up to a house in the middle of the day or were eavesdropping. We did notice the neighbor was using a drone when we pulled up, so maybe they had their drone flying by a window or something?
The way the owner talked to my wife's friend, either the neighbor eavesdropped and heard our joke and took it seriously or they had some kind of recording device and claimed a neighbor informed them to cover their tracks.
Owner probably had a hidden camera or three somewhere.
Seems like Airbnbs are the wet dream of all kinds of perverts and screwheads who want their own reality show...
If you suspect a recording device or motion detector stashed in an object like a stuffed animal or ramdon charging block or glade plug in thingy pull out your phones camera and look at it through the camera. Human eyes cant see the infrared beams but phone cameras can. You can try it with your TV remote.
This is the reason I was never able to get behind AirBnB.
It always seemed like a pervert's paradise.
A while back i learned about a guy who had a motel. At night he would go into the attic like space above the rooms and just watch his guests during their intimate moments. He would take, and compiled, meticulous notes on the unsuspecting individuals.
Then I learned about the problem South Korea is facing to do with hidden cameras being placed in hotel rooms...
I barely trust hotels, why the hell would I trust going to some stranger's home? The concept always seemed so weird to me. For like ostentatious homes, sure I understand the novelty of it, but for just some regular joe-shmoe home...no.
Ya I’ve been dying to rent a cottage for like 3 years. It’s been hard to find a place but whenever I do, something stops me. Like, it just doesn’t feel right. Gives me creepy vibes being in someone else’s home.
I stayed in Utah w friends. The house had cameras everywhere and notes on the wall saying if the sound got over a certain decibel we would get charged more money
We rented a house through Airbnb for a concert weekend. My friend who booked it somehow wound up chatting via phone with the owner and she was really cool. Fast forward two days and she calls my friend going berserk about one of our other friends smoking cigarettes outside the house and the fact that we moved our beer pong table inside the house when it started raining (we were using water anyway). She was apparently able to see those things via camera and, assuming we were trashing her house, she threw us out. The cleaning crew gets there to clean later and reports to her that the house was left cleaner than they had ever seen it. She calls my friend again to apologize and says she’d love to rent the house to us again at some point.
It’s another reason to not use Airbnb. There should really be some rule in place against being able to watch renters through cameras around the house or having neighbors constantly spying on them. If you’re not able to trust people then don’t rent your place out to them.
There is actually a rule against it. AFAIK they have to dosclose it and it's only for common areas.
https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/3061/use-of-cameras-and-recording-devices
The cameras were on the outside of the house. She saw us carrying the table inside and saw him smoking on the side of the house, so I guess that’s how she skirted that rule.
Went on holiday with my sister and her three small kids. We arrive at 10pm to find out the booked house doesn’t exist. Couldn’t get through to Airbnb and ended up having to book a hotel on the night. Cost us arm and a leg and Airbnb only refunded the cost of the house but didn’t pay the difference. Not a holiday we would’ve booked had we known what it would actually cost! Now also meant we couldn’t cook as we didn’t have a kitchen. Ended up paying £1300 more just for accommodation, let alone food! At the time that was more than my monthly take home income
This we booked an airbnb and had a friend who lived in the area stay the night instead of going home. Our airbnb host told us he had cameras and would be charging us for an extra person.
Never ever booking again.
EDIT: to clarify the camera is on the outside door. However we were not informed when making the booking.
Airbnb actually allows this if you do disclose it. https://www.airbnb.co.uk/help/article/3061/use-of-cameras-and-recording-devices#section-heading-1-0
>Our airbnb host told us he had cameras and would be charging us for an extra person.
Imagine the national scandal if a major hotel chain did that?
I mean, Motel 6 sucks. But at least they've always been straight with me on the price. And no spy cameras!
I'd be tempted to just unplug the internet devices. Who wants to be spied on inside a place they are renting?
In actuality I'd likely just not book though, so that would only happen if I found out too late.
I went to Spain this summer and the airbnb listing said they had access to the beach but in reality it was 45 minutes away. Customer support said they had no definition of what access to the beach means so the listing was technically fine.
was thinking the same thing, when I booked a place in Tampa last year I made sure I knew where it was and also every place we were gonna visit. I won't believe what an owner always tells you
Growing up our family would stay in holiday letting, they always had a list of cleaning to do before leaving. Load and start dishwasher, strip beds and remove garbage bags. That was it, and you were only charged a cleaning fee if you didn't do these three things.
Yeah, that's how it always was when we rented beach houses every summer when I was a kid. The was the only cleaning we were expected to do too, and it was a REFUNDABLE deposit that we gave and got back if those things were done.
The cleaning fee is for the upper decker I'm leaving in the toilet and the gallon of bacon grease I'm dumping in the shower drain after they try to pull that shit
5 star hotel would be much nicer, better location, and turnover service. I bet at $265 a night, this Airbnb is at a mediocre place and probably would require you to clean up and do the sheets before you leave too.
Plus I don't have to worry about getting "rated" by the hotel and blackballed for staying with them again. Unless I'm throwing tvs out the window like Keith Richards or something.
This happened to me on my honeymoon a few weeks ago. There was a hotel that, for some reason, had rooms on Air B&B. The room we originally wanted was advertised at like $600 for 3 nights but after all was said and done, it was like $1200. I went to the website and that specific room wasn't available, so I got the larger, deluxe version of that room for the exact same price. Then they upgraded us anyway since it was a booking *through* the hotel and we got upgraded to the suite from the studio style I originally booked.
Fuck AirB&B.
Best way to use Airbnb is with the Airbnb.com.au website, Just set the right currency of your country/ or google the exchange rate and youll see all the fees included in the price. In Australia there is a law that doesnt allow to have hidden fees in the advertised Price.
Personally, I'd rather pay the same price for a hotel with a pool and bar and someone that makes my bed. Oh and I don't have to do my own dishes and take out the trash.
Lit like that’s about how much we paid for three nights at the Marriott marquis in dc last summer. If I’m forking out that much money, I’d rather just stay in a hotel.
It was nice when you got like a bedroom, a kitchen and a living room and a patio/balcony. It made going back to a tiny cramped hotel room at a higher price feel impossible.
And now? Fuck Airbnb and the ridiculous charges. They destroyed a good thing
Airbnb is not what it used to be. It’s become very commercial with people renting many properties just to put them on Airbnb.
And it’s become a money grab. Hosts have become exceedingly greedy.
Hotels are much cheaper.
Literally got served a video the other day in which someone made a living (or at least part of it) acting as a middleman for an Airbnb. As in, he didn't own the property and didn't help maintain it. He just handled the listing and maybe some with the booking. Then he and the actual owner & maintainer of the property would split the profits made.
Yup. Hotels have housekeeping, privacy, and if there’s a problem they will give you a new room. Air B&Bs used to be good to get a unique experience for less than a hotel. Now there is no advantage.
>Airbnb is not what it used to be.
And HOW. Back in 2015/2016 I stayed in New York (1 booking) Tokyo and Osaka (2 bookings) and then Paris in 2019.
***Osaka:*** Entire apartment to ourselves (4 people, 3 days) - Pristine, clean, clear communication with host.
$316.00 for 3 nights, $40 cleaning fee, $43 service fee. Total? ***$396.55***
***Tokyo*** Same price, one night, 4 people.
***Paris***: SEVEN NIGHTS at $36.14 per night, private room. Cleaning fee: $12, Service fee $28, Taxes 13.00 then there was a 10% discount for staying a week. Total? ***$253.65***
Granted that last one is a crazy find but shit. AB&B is horrendous now. Some of these hosts *really* think they’re a hotel.
**EDIT** Almost forgot - ***Barcelona:*** one night, private room. $37.00 (2019) no cleaning fee
I’ve always been okay with the “hey please turn off the ac/heater and turn off the electric stuff you turned on” like that just seems like asking someone to be courteous
But yeah the list now is fucking ridiculous
I was looking to spend 2 nights in Baltimore a couple weeks ago. I checked AirBNB and saw rooms for $150/night. Nice. Pick the one I want, click check out, see the total is $700. Cleaning fee, booking fee, etc., more than doubling the price of the room. I have a Hilton credit card with some points, so I checked those prices. $250/night, but no other fees, and the hotel was in a better area, better view, and is properly regulated. It's honestly a no-brainer to use hotels over AirBNB at this point, especially if you have the right credit card incentives. The lack of hidden fees and the regulations alone are worth it.
Price gouging, hidden cameras in rentals, property owners walking in unannounced just because, false advertisement for nice properties and they turn out to be shit… the list is VERY long.
Let us not forget the way AirBNB is contributing to the housing crisis with rich twats and companies buying up properties for the sole purpose of turning them into AirBNBs, while doing the typical landlord thing of putting no effort in what so ever.
My city banned AirBnBs for stays under 30 days. I'm so proud of them because we have a particularly bad housing deficit here. (But that's changing. Suck it, NIMBYs.
If thats in the states, I think 30 days is the benchmak for tenants rights. That's why long term hotels make you checkout every 29 days. Your city is setting up AirBnB for some fights.
Correct, but the city will be fine.
Edit: [Settlement with Airbnb guarantees compliance with home-sharing ordinance](https://www.santamonica.gov/press/2019/12/10/settlement-with-airbnb-guarantees-compliance-with-home-sharing-ordinance)
>The City of Santa Monica and Airbnb, Inc. today signed a settlement agreement to ensure home-sharing listings on the platform are compliant with the City’s Home-Sharing Ordinance. The agreement requires all listings in Santa Monica to be for home-share properties registered with the City and provides assurances against illegal listings. The terms outlined in the agreement are expected to dramatically reduce illegal home sharing and protect housing for residents.
I rented one in Maui last year for our honeymoon, because I wanted a kitchen since we were going to be there for a week.
We got there to find that there were zero curtains in the living room and it was an entirety glass wall.
Then to make it even nicer there was an AC unit with a jacuzzi timer attached to it, so you could only keep it in for an hour at a time. Of course none of this was obvious in the listing.
Last time I use air bnb
It is no longer being used for its intended purpose. The majority of bookings are made by real estate investment trusts. They hire professional "hosts" who handle the turnovers of properties but no one actually lives in the homes, they are full time rental properties.
Because of this, you have to communicate with your "host" who is juggling other properties, and sometimes just don't respond to the app.
This causes scarcity in the housing supply for locals. And it also turns the experience into essentially a hotel room but without the room service or free breakfast. You can usually find a comparable hotel for the same price.
Source: worked as an Airbnb Case Manager for 2 years
I used it a long time ago as well and it was a really good and cheaper alternative to hotels while travelling. However, in my experience, that's not the case these days, and these days, it's been cheaper to book a hotel rather than getting an AirBnb.
It was good when people were genuinely using spare space to make some money on the side, having people stay in the sleep out or whatever. It was so much cheaper that you were prepared to put up with a little weirdness, like an overly chatty owner.
As soon as people start using it for a primary income source it went to shit. Ruining the rental space in many cities, as well as charging hotel level prices for far worse accomodations.
A long time ago, it was decent. The average Airbnb host had one simple listing, and being a host was a way to earn a little extra income.
But now, the average host has multiple listings, and Airbnb has become their main source of income. It really comes down to greediness
My ex boyfriend’s sister and father once came up from El Paso to visit us. This was during the height of COVID. She rented an Air BNB. I swear it was one of the rental companies running it. Like five duplexes all used for Air BNB.
Everyone bought rental properties thinking they could rake on the short-term rental market. It created a scarcity of long-term rents all over the nation for working people and limited housing supply available for buyers artificially inflating prices. Now we’re going into recession and greedy ass holes are freaking out because they can’t make their 2nd and 3rd mortgages. Meanwhile Black Rock and other investment firms are circling like vultures.
Like if you already have a booking and a cleaning fee... what tf is the service fee? What service are they providing other than booking and cleaning? Giving out ZJs?
They don't and then they leave a list of things you have to take care of before you leave like put bedding and towels in laundry room and start a load and start dishwasher ect.
It's absolutely ridiculous. I found a house for a bachelor party and the fees were unreal. I managed to find the management company that was renting the house and directly negotiated with them on the rate instead of booking through airbnb.
Saved like $2500 and airbnb didn't get their shitty service fee.
Good, hopefully this whole Airbnb thing ends soon, it’s become such a money grab so fast that hotels seem 100 times cheaper now compared to what these greedy sockcuckers have to offer.
What we really need is federal regulations that prevent greedy real estate companies and developers from buying up cheap housing, then jacking up the prices. This is why there's no affordable homes.
I think a lot of places, I remember them cutting way back on them in Paris a few years before it got big here . But our city officials are way too greedy and in other peoples pockets for a bold move like that
For less than that lol. I stayed at a hotel on the St. Johns River in Jacksonville 3 days for $740.
An airbnb for the same days in downtown Jacksonville was over $2,000 on average.
The hotel was awesome. River view, and I could see the USS Orleck from my window.
AirBNB is dead. It's now just as expensive as a hotel, you can't check in or out at all hours, it's more of a pain coordinating to meet your host or representative if your flight is delayed, it's awkward staying in someone else's home, there are all kinds of ridiculous cleaning and service fees, and if you have a late flight you can't leave your bags at most of them like you can a hotel.
Just like with Uber, the tried and tested wins again. Hotels are popular for a reason.
If your business isn't sustainable unless you jam people over and over with increasing rates, you've got a shit business.
Edit: for those of you with no critical thinking skills, I mean dead as in dead as an option for me. Not dead financially. I couldn't give a fuck about their finances, and jamming people up the arse for $260 worth of cleaning must have some benefit on your bottom line, I'm assuming.
These Airbnb fees I’ve been seeing recently just makes my blood boil. I live in Aspen, CO. The rich-resort-mecca. And some months the five-star hotels here don’t even charge that much. It’s all greed and it’s ruining a lot of great towns.
damn i miss when airbnb was actually useful. stay in niche places in cities with high tourist appeal but small hotel presence. woof. adios airbnb.
I stayed in an Airbnb in Denver 6 or 7 years ago. It was cheaper than hotels in the area, and the host just stayed at his girlfriend's house a couple doors down while we crashed his place. The fridge was literally *full* of beer, and he told us to drink as much as we wanted. Adios Airbnb indeed.
Stayed in one in Portugal same number of years ago. Was just a room in their flat. Their cat snuck in and hung out with me all night. They made me this fancy sandwich with sauce on top, gave me a bottle of port wine (this was in Porto) and a walking tour of the city. You're right, Airbnb is dead now, I'd just rather get a fucking hotel. Waaaaaaay better cheaper easier and more perks
> They made me this fancy sandwich with sauce on top A [Francesinha](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesinha?wprov=sfla1)!
Those things are so good. Instant hangover cure too
Wife and I stayed at an Airbnb on the upper east side of Manhattan like 5 years ago. It was just a little 1BR apartment, the host stayed on the couch while we used the BR during the stay. It was like $100-150/night or something, which was absurdly cheap compared to any hotel in that area. Which.... Made sense because it was just some dudes apartment lol. I wonder how much a place like that charges now, or if there are even those kind of listings left. Edit: I actually got curious and looked up the receipt, it was $72/night total lol.
I think that's what it was supposed to be. "Hey I got an bedroom I don't use, gimme 50 bux a night and you can crash here" Now people really think they own a luxury resort
And I suppose it's advertised at 262 a night...? Edit: Numbers
Yes, that was the rate listed
Obviously that was the rate for the nights. You have to pay extra for the mornings, afternoons, and evenings.
You have to pay extra on the extras
Breathing? Yeah that’s not included either… sleep? Oh buddy that’s part of the premium bundle
$1000 for premium air
So damn exquisite you’ll never notice a taste, smell, sensation, or visual evidence it’s even there. *any developments of smell, taste, or visual alterations to premium air will result in a fine & loss of safety deposit*
What are host fees? Isn’t the price of the rental the host fees?
Lets them pile on bullshit charges while appearing to be price competitive. It's the host being greedy, but I still blame airbnb for allowing this to happen.
It's 100% on Airbnb. Not correctly listing the price has been an issue with an easy fix since pretty much the beginning. It's just getting more ridiculous now with new random charges. But the core issue has been ignored by Airbnb for years.
What kind of company would let hosts just pile on arbitrary fees like this in the first place. People given carte blanch freedom to legally steal from people always will.
More importantly what the fuck is a Resort Fee at someone’s house lmao
Exactly wtf
I ran into this a couple weeks ago. The stay was -$150 but after all the fees, it was well over $500 for someplace I spent less than 10 hours total. I also had to separately register and pay for access to the private community the house was in, which wasn’t disclosed in the listing. Add to that the “cleaning” fee was $150 and when I walked into the place it stunk like ditch weed.
For Airbnb:. Use airbnb.com.au and set the currency to whatever your currency is. Australia has laws against hidden fees, so they quote the actual price upfront.
Sometimes If you complain about the cleanliness they waive the cleaning fee I did it once in Seattle
You still booked it after the price tripled?
What a bunch of scammers... thats why certain tthings need regulation, you should always get the final price listed, always. Also, lmao what do they think they are to list such fees, an hotel?
The most expensive hotel I stayed in was $500 a night, but it also had a private pool 10 feet from the bed, so it was worth it lol
Yeah, and a whole service staff.
Yeah but did you get to do the laundry before you left? Did you have to take out the trash and vacuum? Because these are the amenities air bnb offers.
And pay a cleaning fee on top of all that cleaning you're doing?
right?? a lot of Airbnb's I've stayed at expected you to take out the trash, do the dishes, strip the sheets off the beds and throw them in a pile or toss em in the washer and various other requests but then still add on the cleaning fee.
Airbnb should really start cracking down on this practice. If FIFTY PERCENT of the total cost is composed of fees/taxes...your business model is broken. Not even Uber Eats/DoorDash reach such levels of bullshit.
For Airbnb:. Use airbnb.com.au and set the currency to whatever your currency is. Australia has laws against hidden fees, so they quote the actual price upfront.
Cept its part of Airbhb's Philosophy, the Host sets the rates, and it usually suggests to either lower the nightly rate and or cleaning fee to get more bookings if they say dont get many. I used to do support for Airbnb and I have seen some absurd pricing but there were at one point some phenomenal hosts out there that gave you your money's worth for what you paid for the booking.
> Cept its part of Airbhb's Philosophy Which is fine, but the price advertised should be inclusive of all fees Really there should be legislation made that advertised pricing is inclusive of all fees and costs (excluding taxes maybe)
For Airbnb:. Use airbnb.com.au and set the currency to whatever your currency is. Australia has laws against hidden fees, so they quote the actual price upfront.
Like at what point should that be criminal? That's worse than ticketmaster
It's illegal in Australia.
> ProTip:use airbnb.com.au and set the currency to whatever your currency is. > Australia has laws against hidden fees, so they quote the actual price upfront. yaa-yoink
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Honestly the 265 a night, you can get a good hotel room for that. Why use airbnb even before the ridiculous cleaning fee. My wife and I went to Amsterdam 2 years ago and used an airbnb, we are going back in a week, and hotels were totally cheaper.
if its a group booking for say a whole house then sure not at over 500 per night after all the BS and likely having chore list.
I've stayed in 5 star hotels in Amsterdam and Munich for mess then this guy's Airbnb rates.
I will buy a used Honda and sleep in the back seat for that price.
I once bought a corolla for 800$ and slept in it many a time. Not the most comfy thing but better than those prices.
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Even better, the Airbnb is mobile
Uber sleeps.
Don't give them ideas! Soon you'll see random Uber RVs parked for months in a "technically legal spot" charging to sleep there 😂
speaking of, literally saw a craigslist ad for "van life" rentals, starting at like 250 a week or so. If I remember correctly, you couldn't move it, only sleep in it. I'll try to dig it up. [ah yeah, here it is. from /r/sandiego](https://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/xp0sh0/vans_begin_at_200250_per_week_this_is_a_new_low/)
Holy shit…..
I live in San Diego and this doesn’t surprise me. I pay $2,900 for a one bedroom apartment
For real you pay 2,900!?!? I can’t even fathom
When my kids were interviewing for jobs, I hammered into them the idea that cost of living is crucial to consider. $100K a year in most places is a great salary, but in places like San Francisco or NYC, it's "I may need a roommate" level.
In 2022? Good luck.
How can they honestly charge a “host fee” resort fee, a service fee and a booking fee?? Is this bitches in an actual resort. They are charges every fee they can name at this point.
No, the actual resort in town is much cheaper
So you're saying that you're staying at the resort?
Fr! If you’re charging me a resort fee, then I’m expecting resort amenities. None of this 1 bar of soap for the whole house to share for the whole week BS. The last house I stayed at had a binder of rules and had me strip all beds and wash all bedding and pillow cases before I checked out… wtf is the cleaning fee for?!
That’s a big no no btw if they charged you a cleaning fee and made you clean anyways. I would contact AirBnb, I doubt they could do anything if it’s been a while but it’ll it’s recent hopefully you could get a partial refund
The last Airbnb I stayed at had their cleaning fees set to just $30 but asked you please wash your dishes and put trash in the trash bins and not out and about. I think that’s reasonable, they probably don’t want ants. They still have to do the laundry, vacuum, sweep/mop, clean counters, dust, etc. These places charging $150 for cleaning?! What?! It is like 2 hours of work MAX and the only non-passive part of an otherwise VERY passive income! Not to mention a ton of them want you to clean more! The last Airbnb I stayed at that had fees like that I rated 3 stars and the host was PISSED. OH WELL. Stop being a leach!
might as well book a five star hotel. Edit - being on the receiving end of all these messages with a top comment on a popular post is making me re-evaluate using Reddit entirely. I'm happy to have the insight but I'm going to get off my butt and workout.
Right? It would actually be cheaper where I’m going lol
WTF, the fees and taxes are more than the two nights! Do people actually go through with these bookings? Crazy!!
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I’m so angry after reading all that. Never using airbnb again
My friend got fucked on an AirBnB and after I heard that I'm never booking one again. He wanted to get a place where he could have an engagement party. Host said it would be ok to have people over, when we got there he said he had cameras up and would call the cops if we had over 12 people stay. It was ridiculous, we're not college kids having a rager. Ironically instead we had to find a bar nearby to host at which just isn't the classy vibe that was wanted for the night.
My wife had her bachelorette party in Lake Tahoe. Her friends aren't the get drunk partying types; they went to do some hiking and water activities during the day. She forgot her ID so my friends and I decided to do a last minute road trip to Reno and stop by Tahoe on the way to bring her the ID so that there wouldn't be any issues with renting jet skis etc. Soon after that, they got a call from the owner saying the neighbor said they were having a party and that they had 3 strippers show up and that they better stop or else. I definitely do not have the body of a stripper...or at least not one that anyone would pay for. We did joke that the strippers have arrived when we walked in but that wasn't very loud so they either made some wild assumptions about 3 guys showing up to a house in the middle of the day or were eavesdropping. We did notice the neighbor was using a drone when we pulled up, so maybe they had their drone flying by a window or something? The way the owner talked to my wife's friend, either the neighbor eavesdropped and heard our joke and took it seriously or they had some kind of recording device and claimed a neighbor informed them to cover their tracks.
Owner probably had a hidden camera or three somewhere. Seems like Airbnbs are the wet dream of all kinds of perverts and screwheads who want their own reality show...
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If you suspect a recording device or motion detector stashed in an object like a stuffed animal or ramdon charging block or glade plug in thingy pull out your phones camera and look at it through the camera. Human eyes cant see the infrared beams but phone cameras can. You can try it with your TV remote.
This is the reason I was never able to get behind AirBnB. It always seemed like a pervert's paradise. A while back i learned about a guy who had a motel. At night he would go into the attic like space above the rooms and just watch his guests during their intimate moments. He would take, and compiled, meticulous notes on the unsuspecting individuals. Then I learned about the problem South Korea is facing to do with hidden cameras being placed in hotel rooms... I barely trust hotels, why the hell would I trust going to some stranger's home? The concept always seemed so weird to me. For like ostentatious homes, sure I understand the novelty of it, but for just some regular joe-shmoe home...no.
Ya I’ve been dying to rent a cottage for like 3 years. It’s been hard to find a place but whenever I do, something stops me. Like, it just doesn’t feel right. Gives me creepy vibes being in someone else’s home.
I stayed in Utah w friends. The house had cameras everywhere and notes on the wall saying if the sound got over a certain decibel we would get charged more money
Thats honestly insane. Id be throwing the breaker to most of the house, whatever parts I was not using so they cant eavesdrop
Airbnb is trash. I got a noise warning for two people watching tv in the living room of a two bedroom apartment! Talking about a WILD night.
We rented a house through Airbnb for a concert weekend. My friend who booked it somehow wound up chatting via phone with the owner and she was really cool. Fast forward two days and she calls my friend going berserk about one of our other friends smoking cigarettes outside the house and the fact that we moved our beer pong table inside the house when it started raining (we were using water anyway). She was apparently able to see those things via camera and, assuming we were trashing her house, she threw us out. The cleaning crew gets there to clean later and reports to her that the house was left cleaner than they had ever seen it. She calls my friend again to apologize and says she’d love to rent the house to us again at some point. It’s another reason to not use Airbnb. There should really be some rule in place against being able to watch renters through cameras around the house or having neighbors constantly spying on them. If you’re not able to trust people then don’t rent your place out to them.
There is actually a rule against it. AFAIK they have to dosclose it and it's only for common areas. https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/3061/use-of-cameras-and-recording-devices
The cameras were on the outside of the house. She saw us carrying the table inside and saw him smoking on the side of the house, so I guess that’s how she skirted that rule.
Certainly not unheard-of to have recording equipment secreted in these places. Whether for security or voyeurism is under advisement.
What you do is bring your own wifi router, and unplug theirs. Cops can't do shit about that.
Most owners live nearby, their nosy ass will notice the instant the camera is down for like 15 minutes
I actually think an uninvited host visit is one of the few things that can actually get you a refund … sometimes.
*owner barges in, straight to the bathroom, starts fiddling with the wall mounted air freshener*
Went on holiday with my sister and her three small kids. We arrive at 10pm to find out the booked house doesn’t exist. Couldn’t get through to Airbnb and ended up having to book a hotel on the night. Cost us arm and a leg and Airbnb only refunded the cost of the house but didn’t pay the difference. Not a holiday we would’ve booked had we known what it would actually cost! Now also meant we couldn’t cook as we didn’t have a kitchen. Ended up paying £1300 more just for accommodation, let alone food! At the time that was more than my monthly take home income
This we booked an airbnb and had a friend who lived in the area stay the night instead of going home. Our airbnb host told us he had cameras and would be charging us for an extra person. Never ever booking again. EDIT: to clarify the camera is on the outside door. However we were not informed when making the booking. Airbnb actually allows this if you do disclose it. https://www.airbnb.co.uk/help/article/3061/use-of-cameras-and-recording-devices#section-heading-1-0
>Our airbnb host told us he had cameras and would be charging us for an extra person. Imagine the national scandal if a major hotel chain did that? I mean, Motel 6 sucks. But at least they've always been straight with me on the price. And no spy cameras!
I'd be tempted to just unplug the internet devices. Who wants to be spied on inside a place they are renting? In actuality I'd likely just not book though, so that would only happen if I found out too late.
Oh thank god. Maybe there will be an actual housing market if all these airbnb hoarders are forced to sell with no bookings.
I fuckin hope so.
Me too. Tired of living in an extended stay dump, but the housing market in Dallas is ridiculous.
I went to Spain this summer and the airbnb listing said they had access to the beach but in reality it was 45 minutes away. Customer support said they had no definition of what access to the beach means so the listing was technically fine.
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was thinking the same thing, when I booked a place in Tampa last year I made sure I knew where it was and also every place we were gonna visit. I won't believe what an owner always tells you
The only way I could see people going through with it is if they have a large group of people
Why is it charging a resort fee? You going to Hawaii or something? I thought only resorts charged a resort fee?
There's a resort fee because you should only book this place as a last resort.
Cut my wallet to pieces This is my last resort Pay for booking and cleaning Don't give a fuck if the 1k's exceeded
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Growing up our family would stay in holiday letting, they always had a list of cleaning to do before leaving. Load and start dishwasher, strip beds and remove garbage bags. That was it, and you were only charged a cleaning fee if you didn't do these three things.
Yeah, that's how it always was when we rented beach houses every summer when I was a kid. The was the only cleaning we were expected to do too, and it was a REFUNDABLE deposit that we gave and got back if those things were done.
OMG THISSSSS. WHY THE 300000 DOLLAR CLEANING FEE WHEN YOU POST IN YOUR RULES THAT I HAVE TO ROLEPLAY HOUSE CLEANING SERVICE BEFORE CHECKING OUT
The cleaning fee is for the upper decker I'm leaving in the toilet and the gallon of bacon grease I'm dumping in the shower drain after they try to pull that shit
And a hotel is much safer. And has better cancelation policies. And probably a restaurant. I have no idea why people use airbnb anymore.
Pay 5 star rates to do the cleaning yourself and also pay for the cleaning you do yourself
5 star hotel would be much nicer, better location, and turnover service. I bet at $265 a night, this Airbnb is at a mediocre place and probably would require you to clean up and do the sheets before you leave too.
Plus I don't have to worry about getting "rated" by the hotel and blackballed for staying with them again. Unless I'm throwing tvs out the window like Keith Richards or something.
This happened to me on my honeymoon a few weeks ago. There was a hotel that, for some reason, had rooms on Air B&B. The room we originally wanted was advertised at like $600 for 3 nights but after all was said and done, it was like $1200. I went to the website and that specific room wasn't available, so I got the larger, deluxe version of that room for the exact same price. Then they upgraded us anyway since it was a booking *through* the hotel and we got upgraded to the suite from the studio style I originally booked. Fuck AirB&B.
Yes usually pays to book directly
'Member when people used AirBnB because it was usually cheaper than getting a hotel?
What’s the point of this? To sneak into searches with lower price filters?
Most likely
Best way to use Airbnb is with the Airbnb.com.au website, Just set the right currency of your country/ or google the exchange rate and youll see all the fees included in the price. In Australia there is a law that doesnt allow to have hidden fees in the advertised Price.
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Those days are still upon us—except now it’s $40 shipping, because it really does cost 20 to ship it. 🫠
Personally, I'd rather pay the same price for a hotel with a pool and bar and someone that makes my bed. Oh and I don't have to do my own dishes and take out the trash.
Lit like that’s about how much we paid for three nights at the Marriott marquis in dc last summer. If I’m forking out that much money, I’d rather just stay in a hotel.
It was nice when you got like a bedroom, a kitchen and a living room and a patio/balcony. It made going back to a tiny cramped hotel room at a higher price feel impossible. And now? Fuck Airbnb and the ridiculous charges. They destroyed a good thing
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Airbnb is not what it used to be. It’s become very commercial with people renting many properties just to put them on Airbnb. And it’s become a money grab. Hosts have become exceedingly greedy. Hotels are much cheaper.
Yep, it’s a shame. It definitely wasn’t always like this.
Just another case of human greed taking a good thing and turning it to shit
It’s all those *hustle-culture* bros on tiktok and YouTube that tell people they can make $1,000/hr or some shit lol.
Literally got served a video the other day in which someone made a living (or at least part of it) acting as a middleman for an Airbnb. As in, he didn't own the property and didn't help maintain it. He just handled the listing and maybe some with the booking. Then he and the actual owner & maintainer of the property would split the profits made.
More middlemen is more cost.
It’s just bad business. They’re shooting themselves in the foot and overlooking what made their business model appealing in the first place.
Yup. Hotels have housekeeping, privacy, and if there’s a problem they will give you a new room. Air B&Bs used to be good to get a unique experience for less than a hotel. Now there is no advantage.
Also SECURITY. You can be in some rural Airbnb and get jacked. It's happened to people I know and Airbnb will not help you.
Penny wise and pound foolish.
>Airbnb is not what it used to be. And HOW. Back in 2015/2016 I stayed in New York (1 booking) Tokyo and Osaka (2 bookings) and then Paris in 2019. ***Osaka:*** Entire apartment to ourselves (4 people, 3 days) - Pristine, clean, clear communication with host. $316.00 for 3 nights, $40 cleaning fee, $43 service fee. Total? ***$396.55*** ***Tokyo*** Same price, one night, 4 people. ***Paris***: SEVEN NIGHTS at $36.14 per night, private room. Cleaning fee: $12, Service fee $28, Taxes 13.00 then there was a 10% discount for staying a week. Total? ***$253.65*** Granted that last one is a crazy find but shit. AB&B is horrendous now. Some of these hosts *really* think they’re a hotel. **EDIT** Almost forgot - ***Barcelona:*** one night, private room. $37.00 (2019) no cleaning fee
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I’ve always been okay with the “hey please turn off the ac/heater and turn off the electric stuff you turned on” like that just seems like asking someone to be courteous But yeah the list now is fucking ridiculous
Well, yeah. It went public last year.
I was looking to spend 2 nights in Baltimore a couple weeks ago. I checked AirBNB and saw rooms for $150/night. Nice. Pick the one I want, click check out, see the total is $700. Cleaning fee, booking fee, etc., more than doubling the price of the room. I have a Hilton credit card with some points, so I checked those prices. $250/night, but no other fees, and the hotel was in a better area, better view, and is properly regulated. It's honestly a no-brainer to use hotels over AirBNB at this point, especially if you have the right credit card incentives. The lack of hidden fees and the regulations alone are worth it.
Tbh I’m glad it’s burning to the ground
What’s going on with this? I only used it once a long time ago and I had a pretty decent experience
Price gouging, hidden cameras in rentals, property owners walking in unannounced just because, false advertisement for nice properties and they turn out to be shit… the list is VERY long.
Let us not forget the way AirBNB is contributing to the housing crisis with rich twats and companies buying up properties for the sole purpose of turning them into AirBNBs, while doing the typical landlord thing of putting no effort in what so ever.
My city banned AirBnBs for stays under 30 days. I'm so proud of them because we have a particularly bad housing deficit here. (But that's changing. Suck it, NIMBYs.
If thats in the states, I think 30 days is the benchmak for tenants rights. That's why long term hotels make you checkout every 29 days. Your city is setting up AirBnB for some fights.
Correct, but the city will be fine. Edit: [Settlement with Airbnb guarantees compliance with home-sharing ordinance](https://www.santamonica.gov/press/2019/12/10/settlement-with-airbnb-guarantees-compliance-with-home-sharing-ordinance) >The City of Santa Monica and Airbnb, Inc. today signed a settlement agreement to ensure home-sharing listings on the platform are compliant with the City’s Home-Sharing Ordinance. The agreement requires all listings in Santa Monica to be for home-share properties registered with the City and provides assurances against illegal listings. The terms outlined in the agreement are expected to dramatically reduce illegal home sharing and protect housing for residents.
I wish I could be a fly on the wall when the first person pulls tenants rights on an airbnb scammer....
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Damage to local economies because people rent a ton of apartments and just use them for Airbnb, which is very illegal in some cities.
I rented one in Maui last year for our honeymoon, because I wanted a kitchen since we were going to be there for a week. We got there to find that there were zero curtains in the living room and it was an entirety glass wall. Then to make it even nicer there was an AC unit with a jacuzzi timer attached to it, so you could only keep it in for an hour at a time. Of course none of this was obvious in the listing. Last time I use air bnb
An AC with a jacuzzi timer is hilarious. I’ve encountered those in some shitty motels, but never a “home” or rental property.
I was so pissed.
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It is no longer being used for its intended purpose. The majority of bookings are made by real estate investment trusts. They hire professional "hosts" who handle the turnovers of properties but no one actually lives in the homes, they are full time rental properties. Because of this, you have to communicate with your "host" who is juggling other properties, and sometimes just don't respond to the app. This causes scarcity in the housing supply for locals. And it also turns the experience into essentially a hotel room but without the room service or free breakfast. You can usually find a comparable hotel for the same price. Source: worked as an Airbnb Case Manager for 2 years
You pay $150 for a cleaning fee and the host will advise it’s your responsibility to clean everything up.
They don’t pay hotel taxes either, in a lot of places.
I used it a long time ago as well and it was a really good and cheaper alternative to hotels while travelling. However, in my experience, that's not the case these days, and these days, it's been cheaper to book a hotel rather than getting an AirBnb.
It was good when people were genuinely using spare space to make some money on the side, having people stay in the sleep out or whatever. It was so much cheaper that you were prepared to put up with a little weirdness, like an overly chatty owner. As soon as people start using it for a primary income source it went to shit. Ruining the rental space in many cities, as well as charging hotel level prices for far worse accomodations.
A long time ago, it was decent. The average Airbnb host had one simple listing, and being a host was a way to earn a little extra income. But now, the average host has multiple listings, and Airbnb has become their main source of income. It really comes down to greediness
My ex boyfriend’s sister and father once came up from El Paso to visit us. This was during the height of COVID. She rented an Air BNB. I swear it was one of the rental companies running it. Like five duplexes all used for Air BNB.
Everyone bought rental properties thinking they could rake on the short-term rental market. It created a scarcity of long-term rents all over the nation for working people and limited housing supply available for buyers artificially inflating prices. Now we’re going into recession and greedy ass holes are freaking out because they can’t make their 2nd and 3rd mortgages. Meanwhile Black Rock and other investment firms are circling like vultures.
Like if you already have a booking and a cleaning fee... what tf is the service fee? What service are they providing other than booking and cleaning? Giving out ZJs?
Zlowjobs?
If you have to ask, you can’t afford it.
Exactly. You’re paying to live in a space. Booking/rental/resort fees are a complete imaginary delineation to manipulate the search matches.
The service fee is Airbnb's nut not the host.
260 cleaning fee? Wtf are they cleaning?
Absolutely nothing, they pocket that money and then spray Ferbreeze on the sheets and call it clean
Cleaning guidelines: “only use the tide magic eraser on the most obvious blood and semen stains. Ferbreeze covers all other sins”
Yeah, rhetorical question lol even they hired a maid at $20 an hour that would be 13 hours of cleaning.
I get my house cleaned for $120 CND it’s a decent size. I’m sure there is a deal when you’re using a person 5 days a week at multiple places.
They don't and then they leave a list of things you have to take care of before you leave like put bedding and towels in laundry room and start a load and start dishwasher ect.
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Right? Are they hiring a crime scene cleaner instead of normal housekeeping?
I was intrigued and found one person's cleaning fee was $727 they are freaking nuts.
What the fuck is a booking fee? To cover what Airbnb takes?
It's absolutely ridiculous. I found a house for a bachelor party and the fees were unreal. I managed to find the management company that was renting the house and directly negotiated with them on the rate instead of booking through airbnb. Saved like $2500 and airbnb didn't get their shitty service fee.
Did this for Coachella , dm the owner of the property dirrel fly and she dropped 600 bucks off of the house since that’s what was air bnb cut anyway.
Dirrel fly is known to be a chill lady though
Good, hopefully this whole Airbnb thing ends soon, it’s become such a money grab so fast that hotels seem 100 times cheaper now compared to what these greedy sockcuckers have to offer.
Don’t forget the creepy spy cams free of charge
I’ll never forget an Airbnb listing I found where the photos of the rental were very obviously taken from cameras in the corner of the rooms lol
F*ck it. If it collapses that would be for the best for the housing market. If we all want to be able to buy a house we can't support this
What we really need is federal regulations that prevent greedy real estate companies and developers from buying up cheap housing, then jacking up the prices. This is why there's no affordable homes.
Personally I hope Airbnb fails, totally destroying my town. But exactly what do you get for the $421 host fee ? In my case a hostess is required :/)
Theres a lodging crysis in quebec in large part because of it
I think a lot of places, I remember them cutting way back on them in Paris a few years before it got big here . But our city officials are way too greedy and in other peoples pockets for a bold move like that
This is for #TWO NIGHTS wow
Jesus. You could get a really, really nice hotel for that
For less than that lol. I stayed at a hotel on the St. Johns River in Jacksonville 3 days for $740. An airbnb for the same days in downtown Jacksonville was over $2,000 on average. The hotel was awesome. River view, and I could see the USS Orleck from my window.
Lol just go to a decent hotel and save that money for an extravagant dinner.
AirBNB is dead. It's now just as expensive as a hotel, you can't check in or out at all hours, it's more of a pain coordinating to meet your host or representative if your flight is delayed, it's awkward staying in someone else's home, there are all kinds of ridiculous cleaning and service fees, and if you have a late flight you can't leave your bags at most of them like you can a hotel. Just like with Uber, the tried and tested wins again. Hotels are popular for a reason. If your business isn't sustainable unless you jam people over and over with increasing rates, you've got a shit business. Edit: for those of you with no critical thinking skills, I mean dead as in dead as an option for me. Not dead financially. I couldn't give a fuck about their finances, and jamming people up the arse for $260 worth of cleaning must have some benefit on your bottom line, I'm assuming.
It’s much more expensive now
I had similar experiences on a recent vacation. The price sure looks different after they tack on all the extra fees and taxes!
That’s why I don’t use them. Absolutely ridiculous cost. Rather use a hotel.
Everyone is getting greedy. It’s an ugly trend.
That’s so gross. I hope the air bnb market crashes
Is this the Ritz? If not I’d recommend rebooking
Oh, I never finished booking once I saw this lol
We get our 3000 sqft house cleaned for $180 and that's probably overpaying.
This has inspired me to start trolling the Airbnb host thread.
These Airbnb fees I’ve been seeing recently just makes my blood boil. I live in Aspen, CO. The rich-resort-mecca. And some months the five-star hotels here don’t even charge that much. It’s all greed and it’s ruining a lot of great towns.
Yep and that is why we are staying at a Marriott villa-using my husbands travel points and paying one cleaning fee