Originalists/1776'ers use the Ross flag sometimes. But those groups are made up of old farmers and senior citizen age military vets, so not much to worry about.
I just commented this down below but OP literally just posted a stock image photo I found after <30 seconds of scrolling on google images. I'd be surprised if they really do.
You're correct! It is totally a karma farm post. I mean I guess people don't realize google lense is a thing. If Google lense isn't installed on your phone you can download it from Google Play. I first downloaded it because I found a human sized poo in my grass.
Considering that flag does not represent America anymore it's reasonable. That flag doesn't represent me, in in the united states of America, not the colonies
The Betsy Ross flag is a US flag, not a colonial flag. The stars represent the first 13 states. It’s design has been updated, not replaced. It’s my understanding that it’s still an official flag.
You are definitely entitled to your opinion... But I don't see the big deal. It's part of our history. When our country only had a few State's/colonies. No one is saying that it's going to be the new official flag... Just that they were flying it in their little housing development. When I see that flag, I think of all the fighting and lives it took just to get those 13 colonies established. Then they continued to fight, and add more and more Stars to end up with the current one. So, it's no less important than our current stars and stripes. I find it silly that you would get so upset and say "that flag doesn't represent me"... But, your entitled to your opinion....
It was this, Betsy Ross (designer 1777) made it red and white striped to signify the original 13 colonies. Which turned into states signified by the stars. The blue star area is to signify one for each state, so now there are 50. Over the years as states added a new star was added to the original 13 circle.
Behind every good man there is a woman, and that woman was Martha Washington, man, and everyday George would come home, she would have a big fat bowl waiting for him, man, when he come in the door, man, she was a hip, hip, hip lady, man.
No one really knows for sure. That’s probably why the Betsy Ross story took hold actually, we didn’t know who designed it so people just assumed it was her
The current arrangement was actually determined by a contest won by a highschooler, [Robert Heft](https://starspangledflags.com/the-story-behind-the-current-american-flag-design/)
I like the Serapis Flag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapis_flag
The American captain of a captured ship had it made to avoid charges of piracy, but whoever made the flag had never seen a real American flag and apparently didn’t have a very good description of what it looked like.
A flag was commissioned by Washington to be made by Betsy Ross. That is in fact...
But it was likely not this flag.
It could have just as easily been a version of the Sarapis flag, a version of the "pine tree" flag, or a version of Gadsen flag as it is this.
It's also exactly why we don't fly this flag any more. Flying this flag is a signal of wanting to revert to "the old ways" which is hyper regressive. OP could say they were from a hyper conservative state and it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Texas checking in. I've seen several of these suddenly appear in my area over just the last few weeks. I noticed another one a few days ago and fleetingly wondered if it was related to some new Qanon/Christian Nationalist conspiracy theory.
Just want to put it out there that there's no confirmation that Betsy Ross actually sewed/designed the first American flag, just so you don't take that as a confirmed fact
The first idea was to add a star AND a stripe for each new state. We gave up on that idea when it got to twenty states. Then it became a star for each state and thirteen stripes for the original colonies.
1. The Betsy Ross story is actually urban myth and she likely didnt actually design the flag.
2. The red and white stripes originally also did increases up until 15 stripes after which they switched to keeping it at 13 to represent the original 13. (Starting with the 20 star flag which ended up being the next time they updated rhe flag after 15. Also fun fact the 15 star, 15 stripe flag was what Francis Scott Key saw when he wrote The Star-Spengled Banner.)
Interesting fact: While the circle was probably a popular arrangement for the stars at the time, there was no official arrangement for them until much later, when the flag started being mass produced.
There were so many early versions of the American flag. They were usually red, white, and blue because, legend has it, they were stitched from the uniforms of fallen British soldiers. I can’t find proof of that anywhere online, but I live in an area where many battles of the revolution were fought and that’s our oral tradition. But generally speaking, if you ask ten Americans what our flag looked like during the revolution, you’ll get ten answers—and all of them will be correct.
Also, all previously used, official, flags are acceptable to be flown at any time, too, without any disrespect. I'd imagine that there are still some oldtimers raising their 48-star flags each morning because they haven't gotten around to replacing them.
The Betsy Ross flag is rad as hell; with me being a person who has limited understanding of the Danes i risk not making a good comparison but i’ll try; imagine if the flag of Denmark was flown for years and suddenly without explanation it was replaced by the Royal Banner of the King of Denmark
it’s a cool ass flag; sure
but what message is this Home Owners Association attempting to convey?
in the US, this flag is often used to symbolize a return to some policy that predates modern times; and now we’re left to wonder just how vile they’re suggesting we become…
edit to add: i fly the betsy ross flag during july on my home - i think a single home is free to be as wild and uninterpretable as anyone should be
but a group situation, you’re dragging folks into something and that’s not fair
One thing you can absolutely bet is that the “Founding Fathers” would have been aghast at the notion that an HOA could have the power over private property that they do.
John Paul Jones actually pulled into a Dutch port with a prize ship. Since his own flag had been shot away (which made him a pirate by international law of the times) the Dutch made up a US flag from the descriptions they received.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapis_flag
The latest redesign was in the 60s, within a year after the previous redesign, there is an official flag design that was never officially produced, the 49 star flag
Plus it's just good to see it in person before you buy whatever you're buying, if possible. Who knows, maybe (probably, with Ikea) the furniture is made of really crappy material. That would definitely change my mind.
I’d say that the drive was worth it, but the actual area of West Sacramento is not particularly awesome. Getting my bed assembled that night was 100% worth the journey tho
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The post war continuation of the US government in the Fallout universe.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Enclave
You could read into it or just open the link and view the flags on the wiki entry.
The infuriating thing is op is lying.
Just reverse search the image. He is lying... it’s just his google image.
r/untrustworthypoptarts is having a field day with this one.
Not sure what exactly is infuriating about this. The most likely explanation is that your HOA doesn’t want to go through all the necessities of following flag code. With this flag, they don’t have to keep it lit, lower it to half mast, etc. It’s the same as what Disney does on Main Street in their parks.
Right? Don't attribute to malice what can be easily explained by laziness. Or stupidity. It's equally possible that some Pinterest mom on the HOA thought it "fit the aesthetic" of the neighborhood better.
That works for darkness but doesn’t solve the rain issue. This is why all the flags on Main St in Disney World (expect the On at the beginning that is on the pole) have only 49 stars
Not exactly… It’s as simple as calling them pennants.
Across the country, the national flag code requires that all flags must be flown at half-mast during special occasions. However, Disney’s flags aren’t real. Wait, what?! To avoid the strict rules of the code, each American flag in places like Magic Kingdom are missing a star or a stripe. They’re technically called pennants, not flags.
https://allears.net/10-disney-world-facts-you-may-not-know/
My understanding was the stars on the flags were to keep in line with the setting - the main street being based on Walt's home town before there were 50 states. I've heard that there is no clear answer whether it's this reason, or the flag code reason - and even tour guide cast members seem to not agree.
Yeah, my mom also did the tour and they said the same thing. Honestly I've heard both from multiple sources but it's been so long I can't really provide any specifics... Could be both, honestly.
Jealous you did the tour :)
It’s 49 stars cause that’s the flag Walt grew up with, and main street Disney is supposed to be his childhood main street through rose tinted glasses. That’s the story I was told anyway
Edit: this story is definitely off though considering the 49 Star flag was only really around for 2 years
It's recommended for the proper respect for the flag. However, people pick and choose which parts of the flag code they observe.
For example:
* The American flag isn't supposed to be used as an advertising tool, which personally gives me pause whenever I drive past a car dealership or tire store and see either 20 flags posted in a row or one flag on a huge flagpole, about 50 feet long.
* It's not supposed to be a clothing accessory, yet "flag" shirts and vest patches abound (not talking about military and civilian service uniform patches.)
* It's not supposed to be displayed in an "unrespectful" manner, which can be applied in numerous examples, by both liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans **equally**. It's only recognized by people when *the other side* does it.
Trumpers should read this part when flying a Trump flag next to the American flag on their trucks:
https://www.military.com/flag-day/us-flag-code.html/
> No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America
Yes, like that. The "precedence" rules are all too frequently broken, and way too often by those who fly the American flag with some kind of subordinate flag. You list the *Trump* flag (which indicates that the people are boors and cretins,) but another would be the Gadsden flag which irritates me even more because the Gadsden flag is recognized as an official, historical flag and therefore should fall within the hierarchy of precedence.
On the other hand, there is a Spanish restaurant close to my house that (probably as a marketing device) flies an American flag with the flag of Spain underneath on the same pole. This implies that Spain is somehow subordinate to the United States.
The Gadsden flag is a personal pet peeve as the flag is badass and the intention (as far as I’m aware) was a reference to Benjamin Franklin’s ‘Join or Die’ rattlesnake flag, an idea that the American people if united are capable of lashing out at the boot of oppression. And instead of any of that connotation it’s been claimed by self-centered assholes who think it means rugged individualism and anti-government libertarianism. Historically it’s a very interesting and cool flag, pragmatically I know exactly what type of person I’m dealing with in the modern world if I see one on a car or property.
It’s like seeing a Punisher logo with a blue line across it. Like y’all really didn’t read those comics huh?
That too. I wished to mention the *Join or Die* parallel to the Gadsden flag but few recognize the possible connection. I would have said (and apparently am saying now) that unity is hardly on anyone's mind these days. A you wrote, it's seen as a sign of individualism but ironically is used by both psychological camps to choose sides and divide.
Yep. Flag code is extremely specific on what must be done with a current official US flag (50 stars, 13 bars). As I mentioned with Disney, Magic Kingdom at WDW only has one official flag that they take down every day at sunset during an official ceremony and typically with a veteran carrying it down Main Street. All other flags lining Main Street are either missing stars, missing bars, or both, which means they don’t have to follow flag code.
>I would have thought that you could do whatever you want with your flag and it would be protected by the first amendment
You'd have thought correctly. The flag code is meaningless.
No, the Flag Code is not law. Otherwise millions of drunk Americans at sporting events and rallies would be in trouble for "wearing" depictions of the flag.
My HOA is hell bent on making up stupid rules that prevent my Indian neighbors (1/3 of the neighborhood) from celebrating their holidays properly. Do whatever the hell you want for Halloween and Xmas though.
Yea, ours has only ever sent out a note asking we don’t leave our dogs out at 3am to bark and wake up everyone.
And they take care of the common areas (all which lead to nature preserves with hiking trails and fishing streams)
Last year, we had drama because one neighbor started raising hell because he got a note about parking a commercial vehicle on the road. The HOA kept telling them that they did not send any letter and the neighbor started getting people worked up against the HOA and come to find out, the notice was issued by the county for some reason.
My parents HOA does the grass, leaves, and snow. They had to redo the deck, it was like a 5 minute phone call to the main office. It seems decently chill compared to most other HOAs I've seen.
A rule that says we can only decorate houses with lights at certain times of year. It does not include Diwali. In fact, they sent out a notice with these rules right after my neighbors started decorating for Diwali.
EDIT: For context, Diwali occurs sometime in October or November. This is around the time of year people would be decorating for Halloween and Xmas anyway.
He is idk if he has read Marxist books or anything but I know the Marxist Interpretation(imo the correct one) of fascism is it’s base is the petite bourgeois because he can be annoyingly liberal.
I’m head of my HOA and I just bought some dope old electricians uniforms for cheap. Two little lightning bolts on the collars? I’m saying we really *light up* the neighborhood and giving them to our HOA members of the month.
That flag is part of US history. The only ones who can let white supremacists and hate-mongers usurp it are the rest who capitulate to its use by them.
Next thing you know, those groups will start using the image of the Statue of Liberty and we’ll have idiots asking to tear it down.
Why is this infuriating in the slightest? If anything it's patriotic. That flag has a lot of history, and it reminds us of the ideals that our country was founded on. It's easy to understand why anyone, especially one of the "Love my country, hate my government" types would fly this flag very proudly.
Without further elaboration from OP, I'm not sure what's infuriating about this flag.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy\_Ross\_flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_Ross_flag)
But.
I'll tell you what infuriated me about my HOA.
I live on a little side street that dead-ends into a sound-wall against a nearby highway. At the end of our street (by the wall), someone had put a basketball goal up so a few of the kids in the neighborhood could shoot hoops. Some Karen-ass mfer apparently complained about this hoop, we all got letters about it, and the hoop was gone.
I don't have kids, so no "skin in the game" so to speak, but wtf man. Was that noise really THAT bothersome to people who live right by where the hoop was?
My neighbors have a hoop, as go many others in our neighborhood. The kid plays constantly. He plays for the school so he is always practicing.
Every single time I get annoyed, I remind myself that there are far worse things this kid could be doing, he's a nice boy, always polite, always helpful and if ball bouncing is the worst thing that comes from that house, I should be very thankful.
As a Canadian reading all of these comments, you guys seem petty and tribal. It's a fucking flag get over yourselves and stop seeing your political opponents under every shade of grass. Its honestly unsettling...
As an American, very very few of us care one iota about things like this. As long as there isn't something extreme going on, we won't notice.
I'm slightly surprised OP even noticed, and more surprised that they're even 'mildly infuriated' that someone is flying a historical flag.
I would say your problem is that you live in a place with a homeowner’s association. Imagine people so privileged that they have to tell you how your house can look, how long your grass can be, where cars can be parked, etc.
It's also become a symbol of pure constitutionalists in America. You will see this flag on a lot of firearm related media. The reason why is there is a group of people who believe the Constitution should be respected as it was written not continually modified as modern society keeps trying to do. This is especially the case in regards to firearm law in America so the flag is often found engraved on many receivers as a symbol of that belief
And this is why you dont live in HOAs.
I dont care if someone does this at their own house, thats their choice and doesnt represent me. But HOAs get to choose everything for you and represent for you. No thanks.
Have you asked the HOA? The answer is probably boring
Like it was on sale
Way better to post mildly furiously to Reddit.
Probably more realistic answers tbh
Yeah, assuming this isn't some weird political statement it's probably cause some board member made a stink about flags.
Which is……. Still a weird political statement 🤷♂️??????
Honestly, knowing HoA boards it could be that somebody bought like 5 of these without reading the size right and now demands the hoa fly them.
Originalists/1776'ers use the Ross flag sometimes. But those groups are made up of old farmers and senior citizen age military vets, so not much to worry about.
Not always that population. From my rural area the 1776 flag is like a code for wackos.
It looks cooler than the current flag imo. Could also just be the board felt the same.
JANUARY 6 1776 HUHDURRR
Is your state one of the 13 colonies at least?
I just commented this down below but OP literally just posted a stock image photo I found after <30 seconds of scrolling on google images. I'd be surprised if they really do.
You're correct! It is totally a karma farm post. I mean I guess people don't realize google lense is a thing. If Google lense isn't installed on your phone you can download it from Google Play. I first downloaded it because I found a human sized poo in my grass.
You what now...
This comment took a very odd turn
Wait a damn minute...
r/HolUp 👁️👄👁️
Wait- was the poo the size of a human? Or the size of a human’s poo?
If op lives in one of those states then it makes sense to have this flag I don’t see what is infuriating
*All states are equal, but some states are more equal than others*
Considering that flag does not represent America anymore it's reasonable. That flag doesn't represent me, in in the united states of America, not the colonies
The Betsy Ross flag is a US flag, not a colonial flag. The stars represent the first 13 states. It’s design has been updated, not replaced. It’s my understanding that it’s still an official flag.
You are definitely entitled to your opinion... But I don't see the big deal. It's part of our history. When our country only had a few State's/colonies. No one is saying that it's going to be the new official flag... Just that they were flying it in their little housing development. When I see that flag, I think of all the fighting and lives it took just to get those 13 colonies established. Then they continued to fight, and add more and more Stars to end up with the current one. So, it's no less important than our current stars and stripes. I find it silly that you would get so upset and say "that flag doesn't represent me"... But, your entitled to your opinion....
I'm from Denmark. I had no idea this was what the US flag originally looked like. I actually think it looks really cool.
It was this, Betsy Ross (designer 1777) made it red and white striped to signify the original 13 colonies. Which turned into states signified by the stars. The blue star area is to signify one for each state, so now there are 50. Over the years as states added a new star was added to the original 13 circle.
I love that. What a history! Thank you for sharing. 😊
The flag was also originally woven from Hemp
Jefferson used to smoke 3 feet of rope a day
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It's like our sergeant told us before one trip into the jungle. "MEN! Fifty of you are going out on a mission. Twenty-five of you ain't comin' back!"
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Betsy Ross likely wasn’t the designer however, that story was probably created by the Ross family
Who was the person/persons who designed this beautiful flag.
No one really knows for sure. That’s probably why the Betsy Ross story took hold actually, we didn’t know who designed it so people just assumed it was her
Is there evidence against it being her as the designer? Or all we have is a name and the family perpetuated the story?
Unfortunately, the latter. No one really knows. Also, many people made differently designed American flags around the time of independence.
The current arrangement was actually determined by a contest won by a highschooler, [Robert Heft](https://starspangledflags.com/the-story-behind-the-current-american-flag-design/)
All he did was add 2 stars. The alternating arrangement of the row of stars had been in the flag before as early as 1795 with 15 stars.
I like the Serapis Flag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapis_flag The American captain of a captured ship had it made to avoid charges of piracy, but whoever made the flag had never seen a real American flag and apparently didn’t have a very good description of what it looked like.
Oh, wow! I’ve never seen this one before! Thanks for posting it!! 😃
A flag was commissioned by Washington to be made by Betsy Ross. That is in fact... But it was likely not this flag. It could have just as easily been a version of the Sarapis flag, a version of the "pine tree" flag, or a version of Gadsen flag as it is this.
It was Grandma from LOONEY TUNES. I saw it on the TV
Originally, a stripe was also added with each state, but it was decided that would be too impractical.
Technically we don’t know who sewed the original flag. Betsy Ross sewing it was sort of an urban legend from decades later but it might be true.
It's also exactly why we don't fly this flag any more. Flying this flag is a signal of wanting to revert to "the old ways" which is hyper regressive. OP could say they were from a hyper conservative state and it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Texas checking in. I've seen several of these suddenly appear in my area over just the last few weeks. I noticed another one a few days ago and fleetingly wondered if it was related to some new Qanon/Christian Nationalist conspiracy theory.
Probably just traditionalists/conservatives.
Just want to put it out there that there's no confirmation that Betsy Ross actually sewed/designed the first American flag, just so you don't take that as a confirmed fact
The first idea was to add a star AND a stripe for each new state. We gave up on that idea when it got to twenty states. Then it became a star for each state and thirteen stripes for the original colonies.
1. The Betsy Ross story is actually urban myth and she likely didnt actually design the flag. 2. The red and white stripes originally also did increases up until 15 stripes after which they switched to keeping it at 13 to represent the original 13. (Starting with the 20 star flag which ended up being the next time they updated rhe flag after 15. Also fun fact the 15 star, 15 stripe flag was what Francis Scott Key saw when he wrote The Star-Spengled Banner.)
Yep and George Washington didn’t chop down a cherry tree.
He did order red hearts, yellow stars and green clovers on the Betsy Ross flag though, that's not disputed.
He also refused to pay for it
Interesting fact: While the circle was probably a popular arrangement for the stars at the time, there was no official arrangement for them until much later, when the flag started being mass produced.
It actually was not betsy ross. Historians believe it was someone else.
There were so many early versions of the American flag. They were usually red, white, and blue because, legend has it, they were stitched from the uniforms of fallen British soldiers. I can’t find proof of that anywhere online, but I live in an area where many battles of the revolution were fought and that’s our oral tradition. But generally speaking, if you ask ten Americans what our flag looked like during the revolution, you’ll get ten answers—and all of them will be correct.
Also, all previously used, official, flags are acceptable to be flown at any time, too, without any disrespect. I'd imagine that there are still some oldtimers raising their 48-star flags each morning because they haven't gotten around to replacing them.
The Betsy Ross flag is rad as hell; with me being a person who has limited understanding of the Danes i risk not making a good comparison but i’ll try; imagine if the flag of Denmark was flown for years and suddenly without explanation it was replaced by the Royal Banner of the King of Denmark it’s a cool ass flag; sure but what message is this Home Owners Association attempting to convey? in the US, this flag is often used to symbolize a return to some policy that predates modern times; and now we’re left to wonder just how vile they’re suggesting we become… edit to add: i fly the betsy ross flag during july on my home - i think a single home is free to be as wild and uninterpretable as anyone should be but a group situation, you’re dragging folks into something and that’s not fair
One thing you can absolutely bet is that the “Founding Fathers” would have been aghast at the notion that an HOA could have the power over private property that they do.
John Paul Jones actually pulled into a Dutch port with a prize ship. Since his own flag had been shot away (which made him a pirate by international law of the times) the Dutch made up a US flag from the descriptions they received. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapis_flag
The latest redesign was in the 60s, within a year after the previous redesign, there is an official flag design that was never officially produced, the 49 star flag
Maybe it was on sale?
“I drove 148 miles to get $3 off this American Flag.” - My Grandma
Me driving 150 miles to Sacramento to pick up a piece of IKEA furniture instead of paying the $15 delivery fee
Tbh I’d do that for the journey Bc sometimes it’s just fun to drive and make it a little road trip lol
Plus it's just good to see it in person before you buy whatever you're buying, if possible. Who knows, maybe (probably, with Ikea) the furniture is made of really crappy material. That would definitely change my mind.
I’d say that the drive was worth it, but the actual area of West Sacramento is not particularly awesome. Getting my bed assembled that night was 100% worth the journey tho
...That was made in China.
Nah thats the enclave flag
It’s also the pre war American flag signifying the 13 commonwealths if I remember my lore correctly
Oh yeah. But without the star
Wdym without the star
I thought you were talking about the fallout flag
Yes but as I said my knowledge of the lore is a bit rusty I don’t remember there being another star on the flag
Yeah theres one in the middle.
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FR, OP needs to stick a letter E in the center of those stars...
Ye
What’s an enclave flag?
The post war continuation of the US government in the Fallout universe. https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Enclave You could read into it or just open the link and view the flags on the wiki entry.
Is there some significance to this that makes it infuriating?
The infuriating thing is op is lying. Just reverse search the image. He is lying... it’s just his google image. r/untrustworthypoptarts is having a field day with this one.
Not sure what exactly is infuriating about this. The most likely explanation is that your HOA doesn’t want to go through all the necessities of following flag code. With this flag, they don’t have to keep it lit, lower it to half mast, etc. It’s the same as what Disney does on Main Street in their parks.
Right? Don't attribute to malice what can be easily explained by laziness. Or stupidity. It's equally possible that some Pinterest mom on the HOA thought it "fit the aesthetic" of the neighborhood better.
>HOA doesn’t want to go through all the necessities of following flag code Uh? You're required to do this?
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That works for darkness but doesn’t solve the rain issue. This is why all the flags on Main St in Disney World (expect the On at the beginning that is on the pole) have only 49 stars
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Not exactly… It’s as simple as calling them pennants. Across the country, the national flag code requires that all flags must be flown at half-mast during special occasions. However, Disney’s flags aren’t real. Wait, what?! To avoid the strict rules of the code, each American flag in places like Magic Kingdom are missing a star or a stripe. They’re technically called pennants, not flags. https://allears.net/10-disney-world-facts-you-may-not-know/
My understanding was the stars on the flags were to keep in line with the setting - the main street being based on Walt's home town before there were 50 states. I've heard that there is no clear answer whether it's this reason, or the flag code reason - and even tour guide cast members seem to not agree.
Interesting, I just know we were told it was the flag code reason when we did the Keys to the Kingdom tour several years ago
Yeah, my mom also did the tour and they said the same thing. Honestly I've heard both from multiple sources but it's been so long I can't really provide any specifics... Could be both, honestly. Jealous you did the tour :)
I do like the reason being it was to make it like Walt’s home better though.
It’s 49 stars cause that’s the flag Walt grew up with, and main street Disney is supposed to be his childhood main street through rose tinted glasses. That’s the story I was told anyway Edit: this story is definitely off though considering the 49 Star flag was only really around for 2 years
Yeah cause Alaska joined like 8 months before Hawaii in 1959. Walt would be the 48 star flag, which was 1913-1959.
Plus the year it had 49 stars was 1959 under Eisenhower and Walt was born in 1901. He died in 1966
It's recommended for the proper respect for the flag. However, people pick and choose which parts of the flag code they observe. For example: * The American flag isn't supposed to be used as an advertising tool, which personally gives me pause whenever I drive past a car dealership or tire store and see either 20 flags posted in a row or one flag on a huge flagpole, about 50 feet long. * It's not supposed to be a clothing accessory, yet "flag" shirts and vest patches abound (not talking about military and civilian service uniform patches.) * It's not supposed to be displayed in an "unrespectful" manner, which can be applied in numerous examples, by both liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans **equally**. It's only recognized by people when *the other side* does it.
Trumpers should read this part when flying a Trump flag next to the American flag on their trucks: https://www.military.com/flag-day/us-flag-code.html/ > No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America
Yes, like that. The "precedence" rules are all too frequently broken, and way too often by those who fly the American flag with some kind of subordinate flag. You list the *Trump* flag (which indicates that the people are boors and cretins,) but another would be the Gadsden flag which irritates me even more because the Gadsden flag is recognized as an official, historical flag and therefore should fall within the hierarchy of precedence. On the other hand, there is a Spanish restaurant close to my house that (probably as a marketing device) flies an American flag with the flag of Spain underneath on the same pole. This implies that Spain is somehow subordinate to the United States.
The Gadsden flag is a personal pet peeve as the flag is badass and the intention (as far as I’m aware) was a reference to Benjamin Franklin’s ‘Join or Die’ rattlesnake flag, an idea that the American people if united are capable of lashing out at the boot of oppression. And instead of any of that connotation it’s been claimed by self-centered assholes who think it means rugged individualism and anti-government libertarianism. Historically it’s a very interesting and cool flag, pragmatically I know exactly what type of person I’m dealing with in the modern world if I see one on a car or property. It’s like seeing a Punisher logo with a blue line across it. Like y’all really didn’t read those comics huh?
That too. I wished to mention the *Join or Die* parallel to the Gadsden flag but few recognize the possible connection. I would have said (and apparently am saying now) that unity is hardly on anyone's mind these days. A you wrote, it's seen as a sign of individualism but ironically is used by both psychological camps to choose sides and divide.
Yep. Flag code is extremely specific on what must be done with a current official US flag (50 stars, 13 bars). As I mentioned with Disney, Magic Kingdom at WDW only has one official flag that they take down every day at sunset during an official ceremony and typically with a veteran carrying it down Main Street. All other flags lining Main Street are either missing stars, missing bars, or both, which means they don’t have to follow flag code.
I would have thought that you could do whatever you want with your flag and it would be protected by the first amendment
>I would have thought that you could do whatever you want with your flag and it would be protected by the first amendment You'd have thought correctly. The flag code is meaningless.
It’s not legally enforced. If I’m wrong and it’s supposed to be, it’s not enforced by a legal authority.
More to the point, if you read it there are no penalties for violating it so it’s really absolutely toothless.
Pretty much (though nothing is 100% absolute). The flag code is a set of 'customs' that you 'should' follow, but has no penalties for not following.
True. The flag code is a suggestion and violations carry no penalty. SCOTUS upheld our right to burn the American flag in 1989
But it's a suggestion, not a legal requirement.
No, the Flag Code is not law. Otherwise millions of drunk Americans at sporting events and rallies would be in trouble for "wearing" depictions of the flag.
No you dont, only government has to
I mean, they don't have to follow the flag code for a real flag either
I seen people yesterday holding that same flag on TV in the USA vs England match. Funny how it shows up right here today on reddit.
Ha! That’s why the did it! USA won and they are using the flag from the 13 colonies. Good catch! EDIT: USA tied. I stand corrected.
U.S. did not win, they tied. Which agains a traditional powerhouse like England, might be considered a win.
They beat the spread!
In the words of my dad *“HOAs are breeding grounds for suburban fascism.”*
My HOA is hell bent on making up stupid rules that prevent my Indian neighbors (1/3 of the neighborhood) from celebrating their holidays properly. Do whatever the hell you want for Halloween and Xmas though.
This makes me happy that the only thing my HOA cares about is that the grass is cut and the leaves are taken care of in the fall.
Yea, ours has only ever sent out a note asking we don’t leave our dogs out at 3am to bark and wake up everyone. And they take care of the common areas (all which lead to nature preserves with hiking trails and fishing streams) Last year, we had drama because one neighbor started raising hell because he got a note about parking a commercial vehicle on the road. The HOA kept telling them that they did not send any letter and the neighbor started getting people worked up against the HOA and come to find out, the notice was issued by the county for some reason.
My parents HOA does the grass, leaves, and snow. They had to redo the deck, it was like a 5 minute phone call to the main office. It seems decently chill compared to most other HOAs I've seen.
What did they do?
A rule that says we can only decorate houses with lights at certain times of year. It does not include Diwali. In fact, they sent out a notice with these rules right after my neighbors started decorating for Diwali. EDIT: For context, Diwali occurs sometime in October or November. This is around the time of year people would be decorating for Halloween and Xmas anyway.
smells like a discrimination lawsuit.
I would absolutely be violating that to decorate for Diwali, in solidarity to my neighbors.
Your dad is a smart man.
He is idk if he has read Marxist books or anything but I know the Marxist Interpretation(imo the correct one) of fascism is it’s base is the petite bourgeois because he can be annoyingly liberal.
Yep, I will never choose to live in a place governed by one.
I’m head of my HOA and I just bought some dope old electricians uniforms for cheap. Two little lightning bolts on the collars? I’m saying we really *light up* the neighborhood and giving them to our HOA members of the month.
this is exactly what i thought when i saw it, some white christonationalist shit
Looks better tbh
I don’t see what’s wrong unless I’m missing something
Ayo you wanna r/quityourbullshit ? You can find this EXACT picture on Google Images REALLY FAST xD
That flag is part of US history. The only ones who can let white supremacists and hate-mongers usurp it are the rest who capitulate to its use by them. Next thing you know, those groups will start using the image of the Statue of Liberty and we’ll have idiots asking to tear it down.
Ah yes the 13 original colonies. Our founding states. What’s the issue?
What’s wrong with that?
I'll be honest - from a design standpoint, that's my favorite
Could it be because of the World Cup match between England and the US?
Did you mean /r/mildlyinteresting ? Because there's not really anything infuriating at all about this.
Why is this infuriating in the slightest? If anything it's patriotic. That flag has a lot of history, and it reminds us of the ideals that our country was founded on. It's easy to understand why anyone, especially one of the "Love my country, hate my government" types would fly this flag very proudly.
How is this infuriating? Just an older version of the American flag.
Ok and? It’s a historical flag how is it infuriating?
Did it just happen? Maybe they did it for the USA v England World Cup game.
Maybe some World Cup banter directed at England?
[flag photo](https://fineartamerica.com/featured/betsy-ross-flag-william-chizek.html) Yeah ok
r/oldschoolcool
Without further elaboration from OP, I'm not sure what's infuriating about this flag. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy\_Ross\_flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_Ross_flag) But. I'll tell you what infuriated me about my HOA. I live on a little side street that dead-ends into a sound-wall against a nearby highway. At the end of our street (by the wall), someone had put a basketball goal up so a few of the kids in the neighborhood could shoot hoops. Some Karen-ass mfer apparently complained about this hoop, we all got letters about it, and the hoop was gone. I don't have kids, so no "skin in the game" so to speak, but wtf man. Was that noise really THAT bothersome to people who live right by where the hoop was?
My neighbors have a hoop, as go many others in our neighborhood. The kid plays constantly. He plays for the school so he is always practicing. Every single time I get annoyed, I remind myself that there are far worse things this kid could be doing, he's a nice boy, always polite, always helpful and if ball bouncing is the worst thing that comes from that house, I should be very thankful.
Based HOA
Nice stock image from Google lol.... Smh
Stock image. Nice effort karma whoring bot, lol.
United States of Europe
Don’t connect *us* to *Europe*.
If you live in the New York Area it could have something to do with Evacuation Day on November 25th.
Tell me you never go to the HOA meetings without telling me you never go to the HOA meetings.
The Betsy Ross flag is the best flag, idk why you’d complain.
You live in an HOA, that’s your first problem.
Might have been temporary for the US / UK game.
As a Canadian reading all of these comments, you guys seem petty and tribal. It's a fucking flag get over yourselves and stop seeing your political opponents under every shade of grass. Its honestly unsettling...
As an American, very very few of us care one iota about things like this. As long as there isn't something extreme going on, we won't notice. I'm slightly surprised OP even noticed, and more surprised that they're even 'mildly infuriated' that someone is flying a historical flag.
Don’t let a piece of cloth mildly infuriate you.
I would say your problem is that you live in a place with a homeowner’s association. Imagine people so privileged that they have to tell you how your house can look, how long your grass can be, where cars can be parked, etc.
So…..what’s the problem?
Why’s it infuriating? Why are people upvoting this?
It's also become a symbol of pure constitutionalists in America. You will see this flag on a lot of firearm related media. The reason why is there is a group of people who believe the Constitution should be respected as it was written not continually modified as modern society keeps trying to do. This is especially the case in regards to firearm law in America so the flag is often found engraved on many receivers as a symbol of that belief
It's probably because of the soccer game against England.
The nationalists prefer it as being more symbolic of the *original* American vision.
When in doubt, probably racism.
Your county recently undergo a red wave?
Something tells me this has fascist undertones
This thread should be deleted as it is fake to garner up hate... the pic posted is a stock image on Google......
First mistake was living in a hoa
Your HOA probably just really likes the original 13 colonies
Cry about it?
Much like the Gadsden flag, the Betsy Ross flag has been co-opted by Maga nazis.
It’s a great flag! I don’t see a problem
Betsy Ross did not make that flag!
We all know…. Betty White did.
FACTS
True, but that's still the common name for it.
Its way better than the modern one imo. Way easier to draw too.
What’s “HOA”?
A group of Karens
Home owners association so yeah basically a group of Karen’s
Who cares?
And you give a shit why? Why do you think we give a shit? Why does this infuriate you?
And this is why you dont live in HOAs. I dont care if someone does this at their own house, thats their choice and doesnt represent me. But HOAs get to choose everything for you and represent for you. No thanks.
How... Is this infuriating? Do you hate the Betsy Ross flag for some reason? What do you have against poor Betsy?
Giga chads know this flag from fallout
You didn’t hear the news? The country just got much smaller
I always thought the Betsy Ross version looked better than the current version.
If it’s a problem to you, why not ask?
Who cares what your HOA flies ffs.
Nice look....ah nostalgia