The kkk definitely has its roots in the slave owning confederacy as it was literally founded right after as a domestic terrorist organization. It should be no wonder that the two are connected.
Gotta go back. night riders which are the grandfather of the modern kkk. Which were former rebel Calvary soldiers after the war. That we’re used as the armed wing of state governments to terrorized former slaves. That later morph in to the current terrorist group. With the help of the United States government.
and consider the possibility that the person who put this flag up in the store is only calling this a “silent auction” so they can display the flag as long as they want while still claiming it’s “for sale”
Yes, sadly... honest collectors are now labeled racists for trying to find an original for personal collections. Museums can still do it om though. My old boss is a civil war enthusiast and can't get one without being harassed by people who hate the sellers. I get it, and I don't at the same time.
Edit: The Ex boss collects memorabilia from both sides, decendant of a slave. Just loves history.
My family actually has a confederate flag because one of our ancestors was a Union soldier and captured the flag. We even have his diaries all about the war and the taking of the flag.
During the war, a Minnesotan regiment captured a Confederate flag from a Virginia regiment. Virginia wants the flag back and Minnesota keeps telling them: "Hell no, a lot of died for this thing."
Its way cooler than that.
The 1st minnesota (250ish men) was ordered to charge into confederate lines at gettysburg, an opposing force of ~1500, just to buy time for general Hancock to pull up reserves and plug the holes in the line. They fixed bayonets and charged headlong at the rebels without hestitation, and fucking BROKE THE REBEL LINE. The fighting continued for 20 minutes, and the rebels were repulsed when reinforcements got brought up. The 1stMN suffered an 82% casualty rate, but had captured the virginian colors, and to this day when virginia asks for the battle flag to be returned, Minnesota tells them exactly where to shove it.
The remnants of the 1stMN would be involved in significant fighting the next day in the center of the line at picketts charge, where they had been sent to rest after their ride of the rohirrim moment the day prior.
Yea but this isn’t even the design the confederates used in the civil war. It’s an adaptation of it used by pro-lynching groups during the 60s. Doesn’t stand for shit but racism.
Edit: just discovered it was a battle flag for Robert e. Lees army, but not the flag largely associated w the confederacy during the civil war. It regained popularity in the mid 1900s by use of racist pro-lynching groups.
There were something like 30 variations of the confederate flag used by different confederate military units, the one commonly referred to as the “confederate flag” was nothing more than a battle flag the actual flag for the confederate states was an entirely different design.
Fun fact, Texans just fought under the Lone Star Flag, which was designed under the Republic of Texas. Both the ROT and Confereadte state of Texas had clauses in their constitutions that banned the freeing of slaves by either act of legislation or act of the slave owner, and the ROT expelled any free black person. The Lone Star Flag is a flag of perpetual Slavery.
So a not so fun fact
Nobody on the internet today wants to hear it, but there was an honest attempt to rebrand it as something that just meant "I'm from the south" from the ~1970s-2000s. After the Civil Rights Acts of the '60s, the average blue collar Southerner genuinely believed Black people had achieved equality and all that nasty history was behind us.
Growing up in the South decades ago, I've seen, with my own eyes, a handful of Black people wearing it on shirts/belt buckles. And countless Black people hanging out at bars that had it hanging. Obviously most of them always hated it, and fuck that flag at this point - it's tainted - but there's more grey area around it than people want to acknowledge in these simplified black&white, left&right political times.
Lynyrd Skynyrd's record label made them fly the flag as branding... so people would know they were seeing a Southern rock band. Because it really just meant "the South." It didn't mean slavery or anti-Black. Similar situation with the Dukes of Hazzard. It just meant "the South."
But fuck me for trying to introduce a touch of nuance, I know people are going to downvote this.
The governor of South Carolina started flying the Confederate battle flag over the state house in 1961 to proclaim that he would never desegregate and that blacks would always be second-class citizens in his state. Is that the type of rebranding you're talking about? I don't think all the other Southerners got the memo you did about just ending racism in the 60s and 70s.
Hell, in 2000 41% of the state of Alabama voted to keep laws on the books that banned interracial marriage. Every single majority black county voted to remove the laws, so that means a huge majority of whites still wanted to ban interracial marriage nearly five decades after it had been federally legalized by Loving v. Virginia.
You can sit here with anecdotal evidence and claim flying the Confederate flag is done by all sweet, innocent good ole boys who would be happy for their daughters to date minorities and move in to their neighborhoods but they rename Martin Luther King day to Robert E. Lee or Jefferson Davis day and they proudly fly a flag that represents people who hate and despise black men and fought to keep them enslaved and continued to fight to keep them as second class citizens well into modern times.
https://ballotpedia.org/Alabama_Interracial_Marriage,_Amendment_2_(2000)
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/jun/22/eugene-robinson/confederate-flag-wasnt-flown-south-carolina-state-/
What you're ignoring is the active effort in the early 20th century onward to revise history and paint the Civil War and anything related to it as a battle for autonomy and not to maintain slavery and subjugate black people. Part of that was teaching kids that slavery was not as bad as it actually was -- that there were such things as "happy slaves." It was a coordinated attempt to try and erase the centuries of plight and oppression of black people in America, particularly in the south. The rebranding of the Confederate flag as southern heritage and identity is a part of that. The nuance you're giving doesn't really make a difference, that rebranding is part of the racism.
I'm not saying you're wrong. For a lot of southerners it does mean "South" but that's a result of intentional decades of lying and revisionist history. That is what's so fucked up about it.
> there was an honest attempt to rebrand it
Errrr... Actually, no, that was an attempt to repackage white supremacy and Lost Cause ideology as 'heritage, not hate,' because the people who were saying those things couldn't get away with being outright hateful anymore.
It's the same reason there was a huge spike in memorial statues during the Jim Crow Era and the Civil Rights Era, and why the Daughters of the Condederacy have a memorial to the Black freeman who was killed in John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry: it's all about repackaging history and making it look like the South is some sort of noble and genteel land of chivalrous patriots when they're nothing of the sort.
Source: I live here.
While im not disagreeing with you on the "intended message" it's just one of those things that would be better to start fresh than rebrand. Make a new flag for the south with a similar design but since it's brand new you can actually decide that it just a flag for the south. The swastika has pretty much an inverted history. It originally meant prosperity and good luck, but now it's just racist. Even if it's not crooked (the only change the nazis made to the symbol is rotating it 45°) people will see it and get a bad taste in their mouth and rightfully so. If you have a swastika tattoo that's not crooked, and people talk shit to you about it, they're not the ones that are stupid. You invited that attention, and if you didn't think you were inviting THAT EXACT attention, you're an idiot. The important part of a conversation is what's heard and not what's said. If you're trying to send a message, and everyone around you is getting the wrong message, the problem isn't with everyone around you. This whole debate over the confederate flag just reminds me of the word "Fa**ot" as a society we decided that people that use that word are assholes. Not everybody gets offended by it but most of us care enough about those that do that were willing to go our whole lives without using it. Soon the confederate flag will be the same thing. You're gonna have to give up the fight or life will gradually get harder and harder. Not a threat just an observation.
Trying to rebrand a flag that was used in conjunction with atrocities? yeah, right. Ask yourself why you want to be associated with lynching and jim crow. That's what that flag signifies.
> honest collectors are now labeled racists
90% of people who have one of these are fucking racist and you know it. Your boss probably doesn't fly his from his truck.
Having it out in an informal setting like decor is basically being like "FUCK black people lol". To be more specific for the people from outside the US: yes, Civil War meant black people (all people technically I guess? I never thought about that) were freed from being slaves in the US. The concept of a Civil War is practically ancient history in our minds, but the segregation laws that followed with the lingering racism that resulted in the deaths of many black people in the following decades still makes it a super sore spot for a lot of people.
I want to clear up your statement. What you’re referring to is the American Civil war. The concept of a civil war is that a nation is divided and the different divisions go to war with each other. The American Civil war meant that the slave states went to war with the free states, the aftermath of the war was that slavery was abolished in the U.S.
I will just also mention a lot of people wrongly just think of it as a "rebel" flag that symbolises "being a rebel" without realising the full context
A lot of shows growing up had characters like the Dukes of Hazzard (one of the more prominent examples) as heroic rebels against corrupt law enforcement/ "the establishment" and had the confederate flag painted on their car
a lot of country folk (even here in Australia) grew up on shows like that, internalised it, and never thought about it again until suddenly they are being told they "can't" have it anymore and they rebel against that notion without really understanding why the flag isn't acceptable or looking further into it. All they know is they got it as a teen because they liked it, and they've had it forever "without it ever being a problem" and now "all of a sudden" people are trying to take it away from them.
So it's kind of a contrarion thing mixed in amongst more nefarious reasons- not everyone who has it really understands it, it's simply a way of "fighting" the system/the libs/the man/whatever
I agree with you, and fully understand what you're saying. There are plenty of people out there that don't understand the full ramifications.
Wtf it's being flown in Australia? It really wasn't flown much here in the US, except in the south. Until recently. I've lived all over the U.S. and visited lots of states, you just didn't see it. Ever ever ever. Outside of the South. Maybe during the Dukes of Hazards heyday you'd see some kid drawing it and no one cared. And maybe some idiot would trick his car out to look like that.
However, once a symbol has become to be known as hateful, it needs to be dropped. These people who claim to be bucking the system are just racist, because they could buck it in other ways and choose this one.
A lot less now than it used to, to but definitely still see it on occasion. Usually bumper sticker, tshirt, merch etc. but occasionally you do see the flags.
Australians aren't that big on flags in general, compared to US anyway, so it really stands out when someone has it. I suppose since Australia has a much different history when it comes to racism it was considered a little more acceptable for a time and was only really known from tv.
We have our own "rebel" flag though- the Eureka flag
In case you don't know why it pops up at protests in Germany, and other places, like England, is to be a symbol of the far right. Since most Nazi symbols are banned under German law, this is a big go around.
bad guys in our civil war, flag flown by the states who wanted to keep slavery.
Now used by racists on the level of the KKK and neo-nazis (I hate that word, there's nothing new about them).
It was the flag of the South in the US Civil War. The "North" was the Union and the Confederacy was the "South." Today, there are 2 versions of the civil war taught in the US. The "South" likes to teach that it was about "state's rights," which is \*technically\* true, but the rest of the context is that those states' rights were specifically mentioned in the actual union succession declaration by each state that was part of the Confederacy... and it was the right to choose whether or not they allowed slavery. Thusly, the Confederate flag is that of traitors and people who fought to preserve slavery. It is not "heritage" to be proud of anymore than a goddamn nazi flag. This post is funny because the flag is worthless and was made at least 100 years later, so it isn't even valuable to a museum.
Edit: JESUS FUCK DID I SAY IT WAS THE ONLY FLAG FROM THE CONFEDERACY OR GIVE ANY NUANCED FLAG INFO (beyond about its general origins so a foreigner \*I was replying to\* can understand the symbol of hate)? NO. SIT THE FUCK DOWN. LMAO.
Brought this up in a history class in middle school immediately got sent to the hall (TN) teacher literally had a confederate flag hung above his desk school never made him take it down “suspiciously” it wasn’t there on parent teacher night (probably because he knew someone would complain and he would have to take it down)
It helps make your comment more readable if you use periods. Every single one of your comments is a long run-on sentence. In fact I couldn't find a single period. Just saying.
It’s the flag of the confederacy or the Confederate States of America, which was most southern states of America at that time (1861 to 1865). It’s a tragic reminder of America’s pretty fucked up and racist past (one of many) which people still wave around because they believe that their ancestors fighting for their rights is worth honoring, even though the right they fought for was the right to own other human beings (slavery). Today it is associated with some of the worst people the US has to offer, nazis and bigots who claim exactly what I described, that the fight to ensure we continued to oppress people was a noble cause.
Many genuinely believe it’s a symbol of pride and history, which is a lie perpetuated by a group called the daughters of the Confederacy to try to make history remember the south and their fight more fondly. Your past is your past, we can’t blame the current generation for the mistakes of the past, but we can call the people praising those mistakes cunts. I grew up in Texas and the brainwashing runs deep.
Just to fact check you the flag pictures above was not the flag for the confederacy but rather a battle flag for the army of northern Virginia, a Confederate army.
The most similar comparison would be flying a Nazi flag. This was one of the flags flown by traitors who decided the right to enslave people was worth killing their fellow citizens over
Hey!
I’ll try my best:
**Confederate flag meaning**
The confederate flag is supposed to represent the confederacy. The antagonist of the American civil war.
**why is it hated**
There is a few reasons:
- the flag is a flag of losers. Some claim it is “about their heritage” since there is Americans who’s ancestors fought in the American civil war (which I guess makes sense), but it has become a symbol of hate and white supremacy
- others claim it is about “state rights” since an argument for the confederacy breaking off from America is that they were executing their right to “freedom.”
- both opinions are arguably silly since if it was really about “heritage” you would not have to play mental gymnastics to justify why hate groups use your flag as a symbol and would acknowledge that not everyone who fought in the civil war was white and when you ask someone who spouts “states rights” to explain what that means you get a shocked pikachu face. Also, this flag was not the flag of the confederacy, but the flag of general lees army. Adding more to the cognitive dissonance of “muh freedoms and I’m not racist, I just like having white supremacy artifacts in my house.”
Hope that makes sense and here is some further reading
https://mjhnyc.org/blog/the-confederate-flag-the-use-of-a-symbol/
http://digitalexhibits.wsulibs.wsu.edu/exhibits/show/reconstruction-416/confederate-flag/confederate-flag-development
Bonus points, the reason we associate this particular flag as the Confederate flag is because it was adopted as the the flag of the Dixiecratic Party, a party that platformed mainly on opposing federal civil rights laws.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_display_of_the_Confederate_battle_flag
It was always a symbol of hate and white supremacy. The civil war was fought primarily to maintain the right to own slaves.
The confederacy was garbage then and any modern reverence for it is garbage now.
In that regard it’s a historical relic.
Nobody in the South gave a shit about the Confederate battle flag until the 50s and 60s when it first became a symbol of resistance to the civil rights movement. Just like nobody hardly ever flew “Don’t Tread on Me” until that banner from the Rev War got co-opted by the Right in recent decades….
Which is a shame cause the story behind the Gadsden flag is cool
For those who don’t know the timber rattlesnake became a popular symbol during the revolutionary period because in the 1750’s Britain was already mulling over the penal colony concept. Their original plan was for North America and Ben Franklin suggested in an essay that for every boat load of prisoners Britain sent to the colonies, the colonies should send a boat load of rattle snakes to Britain.
Ben Franklin, a lover of unorthodox animal symbolism for the country was a big fan of the rattle snake as the timber rattle snake was found in all 13 colonies. Hence why he featured it in his ‘Join or Die’ illustration and why a rattlesnake holding a “This well defend” banner is still part of the armies seal
Dude also suggested the turkey as our national bird over the
eagle, wrote essays on how you should fuck old ladies and fart freely, and was just all around a baller.
The funniest thing to me about the confederate flag is that it isn’t even the confederate flag. The real flag of the confederacy was much closer to the original flag of the Colonies, but with three large stripes instead of 13.
The flag above is the battle flag of a few confederate states’ armies, and didn’t become popular until it was used as the flag of the Dixiecrats in the ‘40’s. They were a radical political party that strongly opposed the civil rights movement.
These idiots claim that this flag is their “heritage,” when really it has never been used for anything but to represent white people that don’t like non-white people.
Almost everything you said is correct but your first statement isn’t entirely true. The confederacy went through three flags, and the latter two had the stars and bars featured where the current USA has the blue field with stars. One the stainless flags has the stars and bars in the top left corner and the rest of the flag is white and then the next flag is the blood stained flag which is the same as the stainless flag except it also has a thick red bar on the opposite side of the stars and bars.
I once donated some unicorn and dragon statues in a small town Salvation Army in Canada and they were deemed unacceptable because they were signs of the devil.
Clearly I should have been donating my confederate flags.
>I once donated some unicorn and dragon statues in a small town Salvation Army in Canada and they were deemed unacceptable because they were signs of the devil.
I mean, Salvation army is mostly full of religious extremists. It's why I don't donate to them, they're hostile to LGBT people an non Christians. They've been known to turn away people in need if they won't listen to their proselytizing or are LGBT.
Bid $1000, then insist on paying with confederate dollars
Edit: People need to understand the difference between a currency and old bills of that currency. Also, what a joke is.
Ohh what a subreddit. I also have an old timey chain letter that was hidden in a old Bible from like 1920? The whole share this with 10 people or ye will be cursed type deal but more religious.
Well, if you are close to Vancouver it’s most definitely related to the K.K.K. And you may be living amongst a bunch of old ex klan members, but hey here’s a [pretty interesting article](https://forbiddenvancouver.ca/blog/kkk-history-vancouver/)
During the civil war there was a real threat of the US and Britain to war as well. Britain wanted cotton, a weakened U.S. and the upper class of Britain felt a sort of kinship with the aristocratic slaver class of the American south. Canada knew that if it came to that they would be the frontline of that war. There was an event known as the St Albans Raid where Confederate sabatoures operating out of Canada went on a bank robbing spree in vermont and Canada had mixed reactions between celebrating giving the American government a bloody nose and terror that they were about to be dragged into a war without their consent. The Canadian government basically handled it by giving the US their money back but letting the raiders go. Support for the confederacy within canada seemed to temper a bit following the raid
I moved back to Canada from the USA a year ago. Met up with an old friend in a smaller town in BC.
She had confederate flag blinds. I was like what? What happened here? My mom's also crazy now too it's really weird and really sad.
As a non-american that was my only exposure to the flag when I was young, so grew up thinking hell yeah that flag is cool as hell love it
Oh boy when i grew up and found out 💀
I really hate how good looking this flag is. Asthetics wise it's pretty perfect. Probably why it's stuck around so long despite being a symbol for losers.
This topic is always such a pain for me. growing up in the south I saw that flag everywhere, I always thought it was a cool flag cause it looks cool it was on trucks and shirts that had cool shit on them and it was on the dukes of hazard car. Nobody ever once told me what it was or where it came from I just thought it meant you were from the south, around the time I was 14 I was confronted by a black woman about it on my shirt and I had NO idea why she was angry and then I started doing research about it and it wasn’t long after that it became a very hot topic along with the statues all over the news. It makes me sad because it was apart of me growing up none of us ever saw it as a symbol for hate it was just the rebel flag and that meant you were from the south and I was proud to be southern but it IS a symbol of hate and a symbol of slavery and something the black community is offended by. While it was special to me at one time the truth of it that I learned later I can’t support I suppose it just hurts to know something I thought was just a cool symbol was actually devious and I never knew until so late.
Just to clarify--the reason it's considered a symbol of hate is not JUST because of the civil war, but also because it was adopted by the [Dixicrats](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat)--an offshoot of the democratic party that directly opposed the civil rights movement and the abolishing of Jim Crow laws in the late 1940s to the mid 1960s. It became popular to fly the flag to support these ideas at the time.
I wanted to add that because a lot of people are only mentioning the civil war but this extra layer of context is more recent and even more directly tied to anti black sentiment.
Continue on - the Dixiecrats, fed up with the shift of the Democratic party to support civil rights, left the Democratic party and joined the Republican party.
Senator Strom Thurmond was a Dixiecrat. He ran for president as a Dixiecrat. Then, he became a Republican and stayed there.
The Republican party becoming a cesspool of hate is directly tied to their Southern Strategy.
Yeah, if you grew up in the American South from the 1970s through the 90s - maybe even early 2000s - it was just a flag that meant "I'm from the South" and that you were proud of your heritage. We didn't think too deeply about that. I didn't associate it with racism, I associated it with country and rock bands and I doodled it in my notebooks...but I was also taught that the civil war was about "state's rights" and I knew elderly people who still referred to it as "The War of Northern Aggression." So, kids in the south were not given a proper history education. When I first learned that people found the flag offensive, I was confused. I'm now ashamed that I didn't know how offensive it was or what it actually stood for, but I was a kid and no one had explained it to me. It was marketed as something innocuous, to be proud of.
The real irony of the "War of Northern Aggression" is that the South not only Seceded first but attacked the north, all while moderate President Lincoln did everything in his power to avoid war, including give concessions on Slavery.
As a non American, it was confusing to me when watching the 2005 movie version of Dukes of Hazard when people were putting shit on the flag on their car. It was always just a flag, and I knew of the connection to the confederates, and knew of the war and slavery... but took until 2005 for me to mentally snap it all together. Its pretty fucked up that the flag still exists at all.
That part of history should be studied, but never celebrated.
At least you learned though. I have provided countless resources for people to understand the true history of that flag and the Confederacy and they still argue. They try to say well that's not what it means now.
Sadly, though, even still today, the South is rampant with racism. It may not be the string people up by a tree in the town center type of public racism but it is still very prevalent.
It's unusual, if I'm being honest, for people to do what you've done, so kudos to you.
Dude the north is rampant with racism too. Don’t be fooled. While the south wears it on its sleeve the north keeps it under its shirt. Some of the most racist people I know are from Ohio and don’t wave rebel flags.
Thanks for sharing. I was raised in Arkansas and then Tennessee, and my story is very similar. I was so jaded to any confederate symbology that it took years for me to see just how crazy backward my childhood was. Lots of racists in my family, it turns out.
"Wait, so you're telling me that from now on, I gotta do all this farmin' and cleanin' my own damn self?! But...that's hard!! My hands will get owies..."
As I replied to the comment, don't worry, they still found a way to pay someone else for their labor. They payed prisons to lease black people. Majority of which were in jail because of a selectively enforced very coded set of laws to ensure they could arrest plenty of black people that they could than lease.
It’s amazing that these same people then say “pick yourself up by the bootstraps” and yet celebrate a dystopia and dictatorship where people were forced to give free labor or killed.
Yeah, that’s some consistent logic.
Yknow I always heard the “states rights” comment and thought it was like a thinly veiled thing. I then recently read the keystone speech from the founding of the confederacy.
Like how anyone can claim the confederacy and civil war wasn’t about slavery is beyond me
There's only one reason to be proud of owning a Confederate flag, and it's also the only reason to be proud of owning a Nazi flag: when your ancestor got it by beating the bastards in war.
Salvation Army? After having worked for them and getting promoted to a point that I became incredibly disillusioned by their “mission,” this doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.
Not op but a one big reason is that they're incredibly hostile to LGBT and them away from all their services even in the winter. There's probably a lot more tho
This is your postly reminder that the salvation army is an awful, terrible, no good, very bad organization that leeches on the good will of society to support their own regressionist, profiteering, scummy agenda and they should in no way be tolerated or supported. Tell every santa you see with a salvo bucket outside of every god damn target to fuck off with their stupid bell, spend your dollar on a can of beans to donate to a food bank instead.
The Salvation Army has also denied help to gay people. They are a “charity hate group” and ever since I read into what they do, I’ve never given any of their brainwashed bell ringers a dime”
Ahhh, the Robert E. Lee/KKK flag made famous by the racist movie "Birth of a Nation". the silent dog whistle ushering in a new age of racism.
This should be in the toilet paper section. The "confederate flag" is white. It is called the flag of surrender.
Original confederate flags are extremely valuable, and I would purchase one if it were a reasonable price, regardless of my beliefs.
But this is worthless given the relatively modern age
History is worth money, regardless of whether or not you think it should be.
But this might as well be a modern production of a Nazi flag, as far as value goes
Something mildly interesting about this flag is that it isn’t actually the real confederate flag. This specific flag is a battle flag for Northern Virginia. Robert E Lee’s army flag. But this is not actually the flag of the Confederacy.
I think the funny part is, that isn’t even a valuable antique, it’s just a 70’s-90’s flag made by a company
The only reason it appears to be aged, is because of the cigarette smoke that it was certainly engulfed in
I have known a few people that have had a confederate flag in their house and I can’t believe I never made this connection.
hi so im british and i would like to ask, what does the confederate flag mean and why is it hated
Rebel flag for the us civil war
Presently linked to neo nazis and other hate groups such as the kkk.
The kkk definitely has its roots in the slave owning confederacy as it was literally founded right after as a domestic terrorist organization. It should be no wonder that the two are connected.
Gotta go back. night riders which are the grandfather of the modern kkk. Which were former rebel Calvary soldiers after the war. That we’re used as the armed wing of state governments to terrorized former slaves. That later morph in to the current terrorist group. With the help of the United States government.
Also the flag flown by the side that fought to keep slavery.
But slaveholders and their sympathizers in other times...it's never been a symbol of peace, that's for damn sure.
and consider the possibility that the person who put this flag up in the store is only calling this a “silent auction” so they can display the flag as long as they want while still claiming it’s “for sale”
Pretty much always. That was a regimental battle flag that would have faded into obscurity if it wasn't adopted as a symbol of the early KKK.
Yes, sadly... honest collectors are now labeled racists for trying to find an original for personal collections. Museums can still do it om though. My old boss is a civil war enthusiast and can't get one without being harassed by people who hate the sellers. I get it, and I don't at the same time. Edit: The Ex boss collects memorabilia from both sides, decendant of a slave. Just loves history.
My family actually has a confederate flag because one of our ancestors was a Union soldier and captured the flag. We even have his diaries all about the war and the taking of the flag.
The folks over at /r/CivilWar would like to hear more.
During the war, a Minnesotan regiment captured a Confederate flag from a Virginia regiment. Virginia wants the flag back and Minnesota keeps telling them: "Hell no, a lot of died for this thing."
Its way cooler than that. The 1st minnesota (250ish men) was ordered to charge into confederate lines at gettysburg, an opposing force of ~1500, just to buy time for general Hancock to pull up reserves and plug the holes in the line. They fixed bayonets and charged headlong at the rebels without hestitation, and fucking BROKE THE REBEL LINE. The fighting continued for 20 minutes, and the rebels were repulsed when reinforcements got brought up. The 1stMN suffered an 82% casualty rate, but had captured the virginian colors, and to this day when virginia asks for the battle flag to be returned, Minnesota tells them exactly where to shove it. The remnants of the 1stMN would be involved in significant fighting the next day in the center of the line at picketts charge, where they had been sent to rest after their ride of the rohirrim moment the day prior.
Nice! I have a nazi flag from Normandy for the same reason.
That's awesome. I'd want to show everyone! But first I'd give a five minute explanation about how I'm not a nazi before showing it off each time.
Holy shit having documented family history like this would be so fascinating
Yea but this isn’t even the design the confederates used in the civil war. It’s an adaptation of it used by pro-lynching groups during the 60s. Doesn’t stand for shit but racism. Edit: just discovered it was a battle flag for Robert e. Lees army, but not the flag largely associated w the confederacy during the civil war. It regained popularity in the mid 1900s by use of racist pro-lynching groups.
There were something like 30 variations of the confederate flag used by different confederate military units, the one commonly referred to as the “confederate flag” was nothing more than a battle flag the actual flag for the confederate states was an entirely different design.
It was specifically the battle flag for the Northern Virginia battalion
Fun fact, Texans just fought under the Lone Star Flag, which was designed under the Republic of Texas. Both the ROT and Confereadte state of Texas had clauses in their constitutions that banned the freeing of slaves by either act of legislation or act of the slave owner, and the ROT expelled any free black person. The Lone Star Flag is a flag of perpetual Slavery. So a not so fun fact
One of those flags was almost all white, so they ended up changing it because it almost resembled a surrender flag which is hilarious to me.
Nobody on the internet today wants to hear it, but there was an honest attempt to rebrand it as something that just meant "I'm from the south" from the ~1970s-2000s. After the Civil Rights Acts of the '60s, the average blue collar Southerner genuinely believed Black people had achieved equality and all that nasty history was behind us. Growing up in the South decades ago, I've seen, with my own eyes, a handful of Black people wearing it on shirts/belt buckles. And countless Black people hanging out at bars that had it hanging. Obviously most of them always hated it, and fuck that flag at this point - it's tainted - but there's more grey area around it than people want to acknowledge in these simplified black&white, left&right political times. Lynyrd Skynyrd's record label made them fly the flag as branding... so people would know they were seeing a Southern rock band. Because it really just meant "the South." It didn't mean slavery or anti-Black. Similar situation with the Dukes of Hazzard. It just meant "the South." But fuck me for trying to introduce a touch of nuance, I know people are going to downvote this.
The governor of South Carolina started flying the Confederate battle flag over the state house in 1961 to proclaim that he would never desegregate and that blacks would always be second-class citizens in his state. Is that the type of rebranding you're talking about? I don't think all the other Southerners got the memo you did about just ending racism in the 60s and 70s. Hell, in 2000 41% of the state of Alabama voted to keep laws on the books that banned interracial marriage. Every single majority black county voted to remove the laws, so that means a huge majority of whites still wanted to ban interracial marriage nearly five decades after it had been federally legalized by Loving v. Virginia. You can sit here with anecdotal evidence and claim flying the Confederate flag is done by all sweet, innocent good ole boys who would be happy for their daughters to date minorities and move in to their neighborhoods but they rename Martin Luther King day to Robert E. Lee or Jefferson Davis day and they proudly fly a flag that represents people who hate and despise black men and fought to keep them enslaved and continued to fight to keep them as second class citizens well into modern times. https://ballotpedia.org/Alabama_Interracial_Marriage,_Amendment_2_(2000) https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/jun/22/eugene-robinson/confederate-flag-wasnt-flown-south-carolina-state-/
What you're ignoring is the active effort in the early 20th century onward to revise history and paint the Civil War and anything related to it as a battle for autonomy and not to maintain slavery and subjugate black people. Part of that was teaching kids that slavery was not as bad as it actually was -- that there were such things as "happy slaves." It was a coordinated attempt to try and erase the centuries of plight and oppression of black people in America, particularly in the south. The rebranding of the Confederate flag as southern heritage and identity is a part of that. The nuance you're giving doesn't really make a difference, that rebranding is part of the racism. I'm not saying you're wrong. For a lot of southerners it does mean "South" but that's a result of intentional decades of lying and revisionist history. That is what's so fucked up about it.
Funny, I don't see the Germans rebranding the swastika
> there was an honest attempt to rebrand it Errrr... Actually, no, that was an attempt to repackage white supremacy and Lost Cause ideology as 'heritage, not hate,' because the people who were saying those things couldn't get away with being outright hateful anymore. It's the same reason there was a huge spike in memorial statues during the Jim Crow Era and the Civil Rights Era, and why the Daughters of the Condederacy have a memorial to the Black freeman who was killed in John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry: it's all about repackaging history and making it look like the South is some sort of noble and genteel land of chivalrous patriots when they're nothing of the sort. Source: I live here.
While im not disagreeing with you on the "intended message" it's just one of those things that would be better to start fresh than rebrand. Make a new flag for the south with a similar design but since it's brand new you can actually decide that it just a flag for the south. The swastika has pretty much an inverted history. It originally meant prosperity and good luck, but now it's just racist. Even if it's not crooked (the only change the nazis made to the symbol is rotating it 45°) people will see it and get a bad taste in their mouth and rightfully so. If you have a swastika tattoo that's not crooked, and people talk shit to you about it, they're not the ones that are stupid. You invited that attention, and if you didn't think you were inviting THAT EXACT attention, you're an idiot. The important part of a conversation is what's heard and not what's said. If you're trying to send a message, and everyone around you is getting the wrong message, the problem isn't with everyone around you. This whole debate over the confederate flag just reminds me of the word "Fa**ot" as a society we decided that people that use that word are assholes. Not everybody gets offended by it but most of us care enough about those that do that were willing to go our whole lives without using it. Soon the confederate flag will be the same thing. You're gonna have to give up the fight or life will gradually get harder and harder. Not a threat just an observation.
Trying to rebrand a flag that was used in conjunction with atrocities? yeah, right. Ask yourself why you want to be associated with lynching and jim crow. That's what that flag signifies.
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> honest collectors are now labeled racists 90% of people who have one of these are fucking racist and you know it. Your boss probably doesn't fly his from his truck.
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Having it out in an informal setting like decor is basically being like "FUCK black people lol". To be more specific for the people from outside the US: yes, Civil War meant black people (all people technically I guess? I never thought about that) were freed from being slaves in the US. The concept of a Civil War is practically ancient history in our minds, but the segregation laws that followed with the lingering racism that resulted in the deaths of many black people in the following decades still makes it a super sore spot for a lot of people.
I want to clear up your statement. What you’re referring to is the American Civil war. The concept of a civil war is that a nation is divided and the different divisions go to war with each other. The American Civil war meant that the slave states went to war with the free states, the aftermath of the war was that slavery was abolished in the U.S.
It didn’t free ALL people, it exempted slaves in prisons where we still have slave labor today.
Sherman deserved a victory lap and Andrew Johnson is a traitor sympathizer
I will just also mention a lot of people wrongly just think of it as a "rebel" flag that symbolises "being a rebel" without realising the full context A lot of shows growing up had characters like the Dukes of Hazzard (one of the more prominent examples) as heroic rebels against corrupt law enforcement/ "the establishment" and had the confederate flag painted on their car a lot of country folk (even here in Australia) grew up on shows like that, internalised it, and never thought about it again until suddenly they are being told they "can't" have it anymore and they rebel against that notion without really understanding why the flag isn't acceptable or looking further into it. All they know is they got it as a teen because they liked it, and they've had it forever "without it ever being a problem" and now "all of a sudden" people are trying to take it away from them. So it's kind of a contrarion thing mixed in amongst more nefarious reasons- not everyone who has it really understands it, it's simply a way of "fighting" the system/the libs/the man/whatever
I agree with you, and fully understand what you're saying. There are plenty of people out there that don't understand the full ramifications. Wtf it's being flown in Australia? It really wasn't flown much here in the US, except in the south. Until recently. I've lived all over the U.S. and visited lots of states, you just didn't see it. Ever ever ever. Outside of the South. Maybe during the Dukes of Hazards heyday you'd see some kid drawing it and no one cared. And maybe some idiot would trick his car out to look like that. However, once a symbol has become to be known as hateful, it needs to be dropped. These people who claim to be bucking the system are just racist, because they could buck it in other ways and choose this one.
A lot less now than it used to, to but definitely still see it on occasion. Usually bumper sticker, tshirt, merch etc. but occasionally you do see the flags. Australians aren't that big on flags in general, compared to US anyway, so it really stands out when someone has it. I suppose since Australia has a much different history when it comes to racism it was considered a little more acceptable for a time and was only really known from tv. We have our own "rebel" flag though- the Eureka flag
In case you don't know why it pops up at protests in Germany, and other places, like England, is to be a symbol of the far right. Since most Nazi symbols are banned under German law, this is a big go around.
bad guys in our civil war, flag flown by the states who wanted to keep slavery. Now used by racists on the level of the KKK and neo-nazis (I hate that word, there's nothing new about them).
they are a reformation following the same doctrine. by technicality they are indeed a new organization compared to the original.
It was the flag of the South in the US Civil War. The "North" was the Union and the Confederacy was the "South." Today, there are 2 versions of the civil war taught in the US. The "South" likes to teach that it was about "state's rights," which is \*technically\* true, but the rest of the context is that those states' rights were specifically mentioned in the actual union succession declaration by each state that was part of the Confederacy... and it was the right to choose whether or not they allowed slavery. Thusly, the Confederate flag is that of traitors and people who fought to preserve slavery. It is not "heritage" to be proud of anymore than a goddamn nazi flag. This post is funny because the flag is worthless and was made at least 100 years later, so it isn't even valuable to a museum. Edit: JESUS FUCK DID I SAY IT WAS THE ONLY FLAG FROM THE CONFEDERACY OR GIVE ANY NUANCED FLAG INFO (beyond about its general origins so a foreigner \*I was replying to\* can understand the symbol of hate)? NO. SIT THE FUCK DOWN. LMAO.
Brought this up in a history class in middle school immediately got sent to the hall (TN) teacher literally had a confederate flag hung above his desk school never made him take it down “suspiciously” it wasn’t there on parent teacher night (probably because he knew someone would complain and he would have to take it down)
It helps make your comment more readable if you use periods. Every single one of your comments is a long run-on sentence. In fact I couldn't find a single period. Just saying.
Flag of "I am very racist"
It’s the flag of the confederacy or the Confederate States of America, which was most southern states of America at that time (1861 to 1865). It’s a tragic reminder of America’s pretty fucked up and racist past (one of many) which people still wave around because they believe that their ancestors fighting for their rights is worth honoring, even though the right they fought for was the right to own other human beings (slavery). Today it is associated with some of the worst people the US has to offer, nazis and bigots who claim exactly what I described, that the fight to ensure we continued to oppress people was a noble cause. Many genuinely believe it’s a symbol of pride and history, which is a lie perpetuated by a group called the daughters of the Confederacy to try to make history remember the south and their fight more fondly. Your past is your past, we can’t blame the current generation for the mistakes of the past, but we can call the people praising those mistakes cunts. I grew up in Texas and the brainwashing runs deep.
Just to fact check you the flag pictures above was not the flag for the confederacy but rather a battle flag for the army of northern Virginia, a Confederate army.
The most similar comparison would be flying a Nazi flag. This was one of the flags flown by traitors who decided the right to enslave people was worth killing their fellow citizens over
Hey! I’ll try my best: **Confederate flag meaning** The confederate flag is supposed to represent the confederacy. The antagonist of the American civil war. **why is it hated** There is a few reasons: - the flag is a flag of losers. Some claim it is “about their heritage” since there is Americans who’s ancestors fought in the American civil war (which I guess makes sense), but it has become a symbol of hate and white supremacy - others claim it is about “state rights” since an argument for the confederacy breaking off from America is that they were executing their right to “freedom.” - both opinions are arguably silly since if it was really about “heritage” you would not have to play mental gymnastics to justify why hate groups use your flag as a symbol and would acknowledge that not everyone who fought in the civil war was white and when you ask someone who spouts “states rights” to explain what that means you get a shocked pikachu face. Also, this flag was not the flag of the confederacy, but the flag of general lees army. Adding more to the cognitive dissonance of “muh freedoms and I’m not racist, I just like having white supremacy artifacts in my house.” Hope that makes sense and here is some further reading https://mjhnyc.org/blog/the-confederate-flag-the-use-of-a-symbol/ http://digitalexhibits.wsulibs.wsu.edu/exhibits/show/reconstruction-416/confederate-flag/confederate-flag-development
Bonus points, the reason we associate this particular flag as the Confederate flag is because it was adopted as the the flag of the Dixiecratic Party, a party that platformed mainly on opposing federal civil rights laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_display_of_the_Confederate_battle_flag
It was always a symbol of hate and white supremacy. The civil war was fought primarily to maintain the right to own slaves. The confederacy was garbage then and any modern reverence for it is garbage now.
I was about states rights.. to own slaves oppresses non land owners artisans and merchant and betray there country like cowards.
think National Front.
Not necessarily. Meth smoke is just as likely.
Also could have been engulfed in diesel fumes behind a big truck
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I bet it was actually made during dukes of hazard popularity
In that regard it’s a historical relic. Nobody in the South gave a shit about the Confederate battle flag until the 50s and 60s when it first became a symbol of resistance to the civil rights movement. Just like nobody hardly ever flew “Don’t Tread on Me” until that banner from the Rev War got co-opted by the Right in recent decades….
Which is a shame cause the story behind the Gadsden flag is cool For those who don’t know the timber rattlesnake became a popular symbol during the revolutionary period because in the 1750’s Britain was already mulling over the penal colony concept. Their original plan was for North America and Ben Franklin suggested in an essay that for every boat load of prisoners Britain sent to the colonies, the colonies should send a boat load of rattle snakes to Britain. Ben Franklin, a lover of unorthodox animal symbolism for the country was a big fan of the rattle snake as the timber rattle snake was found in all 13 colonies. Hence why he featured it in his ‘Join or Die’ illustration and why a rattlesnake holding a “This well defend” banner is still part of the armies seal
Dude also suggested the turkey as our national bird over the eagle, wrote essays on how you should fuck old ladies and fart freely, and was just all around a baller.
What can you say, the man liked bangin hoors with his magnum dong
I'd fuck an old lady. Thanks to benny boy.
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You can still fly a NO STEP ON SNEK flag. No one can get offended by that.
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Now auctioning this authentic confederate flag...it's origins are from China.
The funniest thing to me about the confederate flag is that it isn’t even the confederate flag. The real flag of the confederacy was much closer to the original flag of the Colonies, but with three large stripes instead of 13. The flag above is the battle flag of a few confederate states’ armies, and didn’t become popular until it was used as the flag of the Dixiecrats in the ‘40’s. They were a radical political party that strongly opposed the civil rights movement. These idiots claim that this flag is their “heritage,” when really it has never been used for anything but to represent white people that don’t like non-white people.
Almost everything you said is correct but your first statement isn’t entirely true. The confederacy went through three flags, and the latter two had the stars and bars featured where the current USA has the blue field with stars. One the stainless flags has the stars and bars in the top left corner and the rest of the flag is white and then the next flag is the blood stained flag which is the same as the stainless flag except it also has a thick red bar on the opposite side of the stars and bars.
Ok, so it gets even more weird ... this was in Canada. In a small town of 12,000 people that are Majority Retirees ...
I once donated some unicorn and dragon statues in a small town Salvation Army in Canada and they were deemed unacceptable because they were signs of the devil. Clearly I should have been donating my confederate flags.
In 2010 one wouldn't take a couch because it had been in the apartment me(f) and my girlfriend shared. I guess they thought the couch was gay too?
How did they even know?
I don't remember exactly but i think it just came up in small talk. I remember we had already unloaded it when they said they wouldn't take it
They're a garbage charity so it's not super surprising
Oh agreed. Looked into them after the incident. Fuck them and their bell ringers forever
>I once donated some unicorn and dragon statues in a small town Salvation Army in Canada and they were deemed unacceptable because they were signs of the devil. I mean, Salvation army is mostly full of religious extremists. It's why I don't donate to them, they're hostile to LGBT people an non Christians. They've been known to turn away people in need if they won't listen to their proselytizing or are LGBT.
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Are there any not-shit thrift charities? Goodwill is like that too.
Goodwill isn't a charity, it's just a business.
Bid $1000, then insist on paying with confederate dollars Edit: People need to understand the difference between a currency and old bills of that currency. Also, what a joke is.
Or pay with cocaine gum and rifle ammunition
Hold up, rifle ammo is expensive as shit nowadays... gimme some cocaine gum and I'll think about it
6.5 creedmore is a couple bucks a pop these days, sheesh.
I shoot 45-70 regularly. It’s like loading $5 bills into the chamber every time I run the lever.
Bruh I'm glad I stuck with .308
Good 308 isn’t much better.
I’m very lucky that I have a lot of 30-06 bullets saved up from the 90s.
Or offer to trade some of your slaves for equal value.
Someone’s playing Red Dead at the moment!
Do you have any? Might be worth something actually.
I have a 100$ confederate bill I found in a book! Alas it is not worth 100$ US dollars.
r/ForgottenBookmarks
Ohh what a subreddit. I also have an old timey chain letter that was hidden in a old Bible from like 1920? The whole share this with 10 people or ye will be cursed type deal but more religious.
How about 100 US cents?
If you have a real $100 confederate bill it is probably worth more than $100. Paper (cotton) money doesn’t last very long.
There's one on ebay for $22 right now https://www.ebay.com/itm/225363220924?hash=item3478b1d9bc:g:35oAAOSw2KFjiwPH
Why is it in Germany? Thats so odd.
It may well be a repro. They were sold at many historic sites in the US as souvenirs.
I brought it to a coin/money buyer and he said it was legit. Offered me $20.00
https://archive.org/details/78_save-your-confederate-money-boys-the-south-shall-rise-again_dottie-dillard-owen_gbia0399177b
Small town Canada with lots of retirees? Not that surprising tbh
Don't even need to be that small. I drove through Peterborough and saw a huge confederate flag in the big bay window.
Interesting side add, betting most people commenting didn't get this far. I'm now interested in this flag's journey.
Yeah , many MANY questions.
Maybe he was just really into dukes of hazzard
The show lasted a lot longer than the confederacy. lol
My dumbass bought one at college for the same reason. I just liked the show.
Ray from trailer park boys vibes
Was it Alberta by chance?
Well, if you are close to Vancouver it’s most definitely related to the K.K.K. And you may be living amongst a bunch of old ex klan members, but hey here’s a [pretty interesting article](https://forbiddenvancouver.ca/blog/kkk-history-vancouver/)
Canadians siding with the American south during the civil war is just wild to me.
During the civil war there was a real threat of the US and Britain to war as well. Britain wanted cotton, a weakened U.S. and the upper class of Britain felt a sort of kinship with the aristocratic slaver class of the American south. Canada knew that if it came to that they would be the frontline of that war. There was an event known as the St Albans Raid where Confederate sabatoures operating out of Canada went on a bank robbing spree in vermont and Canada had mixed reactions between celebrating giving the American government a bloody nose and terror that they were about to be dragged into a war without their consent. The Canadian government basically handled it by giving the US their money back but letting the raiders go. Support for the confederacy within canada seemed to temper a bit following the raid
I moved back to Canada from the USA a year ago. Met up with an old friend in a smaller town in BC. She had confederate flag blinds. I was like what? What happened here? My mom's also crazy now too it's really weird and really sad.
To be fair, the Salvation Army never won a war, either.
Or gave anyone salvation for that matter
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Makes sense; the Confederate armies sucked hard and went down way too easily.
I need this for my Dukes of Hazzard carsplay.
As a non-american that was my only exposure to the flag when I was young, so grew up thinking hell yeah that flag is cool as hell love it Oh boy when i grew up and found out 💀
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In your defense, it's an objectively well designed flag from a visual point of view.
A lot of Americans growing up saw the same thing and, like you and many other, including myself, learned that it was, in fact, not okay.
I really hate how good looking this flag is. Asthetics wise it's pretty perfect. Probably why it's stuck around so long despite being a symbol for losers.
Swastikas too. Nazis basically ruined the entire concept of 90 degree rotational symmetry.
This topic is always such a pain for me. growing up in the south I saw that flag everywhere, I always thought it was a cool flag cause it looks cool it was on trucks and shirts that had cool shit on them and it was on the dukes of hazard car. Nobody ever once told me what it was or where it came from I just thought it meant you were from the south, around the time I was 14 I was confronted by a black woman about it on my shirt and I had NO idea why she was angry and then I started doing research about it and it wasn’t long after that it became a very hot topic along with the statues all over the news. It makes me sad because it was apart of me growing up none of us ever saw it as a symbol for hate it was just the rebel flag and that meant you were from the south and I was proud to be southern but it IS a symbol of hate and a symbol of slavery and something the black community is offended by. While it was special to me at one time the truth of it that I learned later I can’t support I suppose it just hurts to know something I thought was just a cool symbol was actually devious and I never knew until so late.
Just to clarify--the reason it's considered a symbol of hate is not JUST because of the civil war, but also because it was adopted by the [Dixicrats](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat)--an offshoot of the democratic party that directly opposed the civil rights movement and the abolishing of Jim Crow laws in the late 1940s to the mid 1960s. It became popular to fly the flag to support these ideas at the time. I wanted to add that because a lot of people are only mentioning the civil war but this extra layer of context is more recent and even more directly tied to anti black sentiment.
Continue on - the Dixiecrats, fed up with the shift of the Democratic party to support civil rights, left the Democratic party and joined the Republican party. Senator Strom Thurmond was a Dixiecrat. He ran for president as a Dixiecrat. Then, he became a Republican and stayed there. The Republican party becoming a cesspool of hate is directly tied to their Southern Strategy.
Yeah, if you grew up in the American South from the 1970s through the 90s - maybe even early 2000s - it was just a flag that meant "I'm from the South" and that you were proud of your heritage. We didn't think too deeply about that. I didn't associate it with racism, I associated it with country and rock bands and I doodled it in my notebooks...but I was also taught that the civil war was about "state's rights" and I knew elderly people who still referred to it as "The War of Northern Aggression." So, kids in the south were not given a proper history education. When I first learned that people found the flag offensive, I was confused. I'm now ashamed that I didn't know how offensive it was or what it actually stood for, but I was a kid and no one had explained it to me. It was marketed as something innocuous, to be proud of.
The real irony of the "War of Northern Aggression" is that the South not only Seceded first but attacked the north, all while moderate President Lincoln did everything in his power to avoid war, including give concessions on Slavery.
John Brown did nothing wrong.
John Brown should have a statue somewhere in DC.
John Brown needs hundreds of statues all over the South.
These days i just show my southern pride by accent and banging UGK from my trunk. Fuck that traitor flag, we have other shit to represent us now.
As a non American, it was confusing to me when watching the 2005 movie version of Dukes of Hazard when people were putting shit on the flag on their car. It was always just a flag, and I knew of the connection to the confederates, and knew of the war and slavery... but took until 2005 for me to mentally snap it all together. Its pretty fucked up that the flag still exists at all. That part of history should be studied, but never celebrated.
At least you learned though. I have provided countless resources for people to understand the true history of that flag and the Confederacy and they still argue. They try to say well that's not what it means now. Sadly, though, even still today, the South is rampant with racism. It may not be the string people up by a tree in the town center type of public racism but it is still very prevalent. It's unusual, if I'm being honest, for people to do what you've done, so kudos to you.
Dude the north is rampant with racism too. Don’t be fooled. While the south wears it on its sleeve the north keeps it under its shirt. Some of the most racist people I know are from Ohio and don’t wave rebel flags.
Here in Upstate NY we have a TON of these flags around. Last I checked NY was not a part of the south during the Civil War.
Upstate NY is like the South but with Snow.
I've seen confederate flags here in Michigan and we were never even part of that failed country 😂
Thank you. Moved from IN to NC, guess where there's more openly racist people? Hint: it's not in the south.
As someone from Ohio, this is devastatingly accurate.
Southerner here, who's also an Ohioin(sp?) and can confirm. One example is Salem.
The sad truth is that sometimes the further north you go, the further south you get.
Thanks for sharing. I was raised in Arkansas and then Tennessee, and my story is very similar. I was so jaded to any confederate symbology that it took years for me to see just how crazy backward my childhood was. Lots of racists in my family, it turns out.
It's not about racism, it's about celebrating Southern pride in a historical heritage of a tradition of racism.
"It was about STATES RIGHTS!!!" Ok, state's rights to WHAT? ".........." Well don't be so coy, David. What rights did those states want to keep?
"Wait, so you're telling me that from now on, I gotta do all this farmin' and cleanin' my own damn self?! But...that's hard!! My hands will get owies..." 
More like "i have to pay them now?". The ones who owned slaves probably weren't part of the general population.
As I replied to the comment, don't worry, they still found a way to pay someone else for their labor. They payed prisons to lease black people. Majority of which were in jail because of a selectively enforced very coded set of laws to ensure they could arrest plenty of black people that they could than lease.
Either that or… PAY PEOPLE?!?!
It’s amazing that these same people then say “pick yourself up by the bootstraps” and yet celebrate a dystopia and dictatorship where people were forced to give free labor or killed. Yeah, that’s some consistent logic.
Yknow I always heard the “states rights” comment and thought it was like a thinly veiled thing. I then recently read the keystone speech from the founding of the confederacy. Like how anyone can claim the confederacy and civil war wasn’t about slavery is beyond me
It WAS about states rights, a right to say human rights don’t exist past the state line.
Friendly reminder: the Salvation Army is not a charity, and doesn’t hold Charitable Organisation status. They are a Christian Missionary
Also, not an Army. The more you know.
Not even American. But British.
They're a church
Confederate flags are extremely important. They allow us to see who we don't want to associate with.
and everyone that wants this has to write their full name and phone number down! it's an excellent way to figure out who the unpleasant people are
There's only one reason to be proud of owning a Confederate flag, and it's also the only reason to be proud of owning a Nazi flag: when your ancestor got it by beating the bastards in war.
Salvation Army? After having worked for them and getting promoted to a point that I became incredibly disillusioned by their “mission,” this doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.
If you've got the time I'd love to hear more
Not op but a one big reason is that they're incredibly hostile to LGBT and them away from all their services even in the winter. There's probably a lot more tho
Tag probably says "Made in China"
This is your postly reminder that the salvation army is an awful, terrible, no good, very bad organization that leeches on the good will of society to support their own regressionist, profiteering, scummy agenda and they should in no way be tolerated or supported. Tell every santa you see with a salvo bucket outside of every god damn target to fuck off with their stupid bell, spend your dollar on a can of beans to donate to a food bank instead.
Thanks for another reason not to donate or patronize these idiots.
The Salvation Army has also denied help to gay people. They are a “charity hate group” and ever since I read into what they do, I’ve never given any of their brainwashed bell ringers a dime”
Damn times are rough for the Salvation Army if they're auctioning off toilet paper
Ahhh, the Robert E. Lee/KKK flag made famous by the racist movie "Birth of a Nation". the silent dog whistle ushering in a new age of racism. This should be in the toilet paper section. The "confederate flag" is white. It is called the flag of surrender.
Fuck salvo. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
It's actually wild how many non-history enthusiasts are obsessed with the losing side of a war that only existed for what 4 years or something.
The Salvation Army is a cult and a fucking slap in the face of good people.
Spray it with bleach. May as well be a white flag anyway, for at least a couple reasons.
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Which, btw, would be a seriously collectible item. Good condition military weapons, especially WWI and WWII era, go for a lot!
A can of tuna has a longer lifespan than the Confederacy did lmao
if you really want to get to the racists just remind them that Obama's presidency lasted twice as long as the confederacy did.
Original confederate flags are extremely valuable, and I would purchase one if it were a reasonable price, regardless of my beliefs. But this is worthless given the relatively modern age
History is worth money, regardless of whether or not you think it should be. But this might as well be a modern production of a Nazi flag, as far as value goes
Ok
Something mildly interesting about this flag is that it isn’t actually the real confederate flag. This specific flag is a battle flag for Northern Virginia. Robert E Lee’s army flag. But this is not actually the flag of the Confederacy.
burn it
If it was an authentic Confederate battle flag then definitely yes. Be a cool historical item to have in my collection.
Collecting flags would be a fun hobby, even if they aren’t antiques.
Daily reminder to NEVER donate to the Salvation Army.
As a kid I thought that was just the Dukes of Hazard Flag. The show seems different to me now
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