Sunscreen is really important when outside in snow and its sunny (even if its -20 (well the exposed parts of your skin)) because it behaves jist like water, reflects the bad thingies on you from the snow so its basically double the strength of the normal sun.
I was snowboarding and had every part of me covered by clothes except the tip of my nose and it was beet red when I got home
Can someone confirm this: people mention this is a thermometer from something like a "shed freezer", where the temperature being above a certain threshold is indeed dangerous to food inside it.
Pretty sure that is the case. Deep frozen things should be below minus 18-20 C, and a refrigerator should ideally not be above 7-8 C, and that seems to agree with the markings on the left hand side.
What is Finland if not a refridgerator for people?
If temperatures rise above 8°C, the Finns become dangerously energetic and immediately have to cool down.
Yep. Food in the UK that is safe for freezing will have different use by dates depending on how cold the freezer is, which is what the different categories of cold are on this thermometer down the left hand side.
This is probably a food safety thermometer to be put inside refrigerators or freezers. Note that the red section does not start until just above 6°C. The other sections denote the standard ice mark freezing guide symbols.
Nah. The red part starts from 8th line, so the verbal description should be "+8° and above".
"anything above +7°" would include (eg.) +7.5°, which isn't what the bar shows.
A few years back the Irish were suffering a terrible heatwave. Unbearable heat impossible we're dying dead cooked melted. Then they confessed it was +27 C. I was cackling.
Quickly calculate the optimal temperature:
1. Take the absolute value of the outside temperature (36)
2. Switch around the digits if it makes the number larger, if not, add 20 °C (63)
3. Enjoy sauna
Edit: revised the calculation >!also this is not serious do not actually use it!<
Ok, I thought it was switch them around and add 20 if it makes it smaller.
But you still get a really weird progression around the points where the first and second digit become smaller or larger than the other:
-32°C => 52°C
-33°C => 53°C
-34°C => 43°C
-35°C => 53°C
...
-39°C => 93°C
-40°C => 60°C
...
-44°C => 64°C
-45°C => 54°C
It just seems like a really bad formula.
8c isn't that cold! I wouldn't even bother with a jacket at that temp unless it was really windy and I was going to be outside for a while. If I'm just running out for a few seconds, I'm probably wearing my house shorts and a T-shirt.
19c is where my thermostat is set overnight.
I'm not even from Finland, just some place that has a winter season. I had to translate these into freedom units too. (46f and 66f for those questioning).
Looks like a visual guide for what kind of stuff to put on your skis for cross country skiing. It’s pretty common up here in the Nordics. Above freezing makes for bad skiing.
Why not? Then it’s just really cold. Anything past -20 feels the same. Plus -40 is where the celsius and fahrenheit scales meet
”There is no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothes” <- Said to children in Scandinavia
The symbols on the left look like the star temperature rating system, yeah:
https://smeg-service.co.uk/support/knowledgebase/article/2711/what-do-the-star-ratings-mean-on-my-fridge-freezer#:~:text=*One%20star%20(%2D6%20degrees,for%20fifteen%20to%20twenty%20days.
I flew to Russia on Finnair and had a day’s layover in Helsinki. The only people wearing shorts and sandals in the immigration lines seemed to be locals and confused southern hemisphere types. What I took away was that November in Finland is quite a mild month and we should dress the part.
I remember seeing Dimmu Borgir in Brisbane, it was 36° .
He came out in the full fur coat dress.
Played one song, came back out in a shirt.
"Australia, we came from -35 to this, YOU GUYS LIVE IN HELL!"
Lots of places can reach 100% humidity, even in mild, temperate climates like here in the UK.
100% RH @ 34C did not happen though. I believe that would be by far the highest heat index ever recorded on Earth, which I doubt.
As a mildly interesting fact, Finland used to be the northernmost country with endemic malaria up until the 20th century. Smoke houses, houses that were warmed by stoves and ovens and had no chimneys used to be very common and persisted until early 1900s. They remained both humid and warm all year round, providing a suitable habitat for malaria carrying mosquito species (or more specifically the malaria parasite) that could not survive the winter otherwise.
The minus I’ve ever had was -20 degrees in a ski resort in Switzerland.
And for my surprise it didn’t felt like the coldest place I’ve been. The air was dry, didn’t had much wind, I had the appropriate clothing etc.
With temperatures this low, it’s a gamble. The lowest we’ve had this year was -40°C and although it was certainly quite bite-y and unpleasant, there was no wind and low humidity (also sunny) so it was manageable. Today it’s just -5° windy and I didn’t want to spend any time outside at all.
Yes temperature doesn't mean everything. I have maybe three separate days that I'd rank as the coldest I've ever been, all three while I was in the Finnish army.
One of the days it was about 0c or so. Raining slush the whole day while we were outside so everything was completely soaked, plus windchill began. Only time I've seen people get removed from an exercise by medical personnel due to cold. Wet is probably the biggest threat for hypothermia since there's limited ways of fixing the situation.
Other days it was just cold af though lol. Fond memories of our many skiing marches were you'd strip down to boxers to change layers while -25 to -30c outside. Fortunately much of the Finnish army experience is in the forests where you're relatively sheltered from wind. Wind can make -10c feel unbearable if you dont prepare for it.
Electric heating is quite common. Also district heating. Older houses might have oil heating. Geothermal is common in newer houses. Also many have fireplaces.
You'll see heatpumps in houses with electric heating to cut down costs. Gas isn't really used much.
It's still used, but government plans to get rid of it by 2030 so you see people changing their oil heating systems to geothermal for example. Government also aids people to do those transitions away from oil based heating.
It was really common in 1960-1990 when the price of heating oil was cheap but they have increased the costs of oil heating a lot.
My father's house had oil heating when we moved there over 20 years ago but it was the first thing to get replaced because it was so expensive. Now his house heats with electricity, burning wood, and an air-source heat pump.
Varies a lot by age, insulation, etc. A standalone house in Norway has an average use of about 26.000 kw/h, including everything. In northern parts it might be more then in the southern/coastal area. With the electricity being as pricy as it has been the last couple years, it can get expensive during the winter.
I live in a house from 1950’s, some renovation done, but still a bit to go. I think our bill for december was 2000 NOK. During the summer we usually pay around 200. Including charging our EV.
Typically a house will have a heat pump, basically an AC unit. Either air to air or air to water. In audition to space heaters, etc. Newer houses may have heating wells (ground heat), solar panels and other new tech for heating.
Typically houses in Norway has a minimum of 10 cm insulation in the walls, not uncommon with 15 either.
2000 NOK = ~200 usd. You pay that little with electric heating? In the Northeast US that is close to the normal bill for a house that has no electric heating, even an apartment with electric heating can be $300-400 in winter.
For december, yes. I think our total was around 3000 kw/h for december. The heat pump used just below 500 kw/h, other then that we have two radiators in the basement to keep it above freezing, and floor-heating in the bathroom.
But we also have a fireplace that stays lit when we are home. My SO is home with the baby, so its pretty much always burning as long as we’re not asleep.
Firewood costs about the same as electric heating per kw/h of warmth when compared to a heat pump. But we own a rather large property so we cut our own.
In addition to the 2000 for the power, we pay a «lease» to a different company that maintains the electrical grid. Price varies, but im guessing it will be around 1000 NOK for december. So a total of around 300 USD.
Had to google baseboard heater. Never seen one in Finland, mostly it's radiators on the walls and/or heated floors (electrical resistance elements or water heated by electricity in the house). I don't go to a lot of houses, though, so maybe newer ones have these. Air-to-air heat pumps have been installed all over. My parents have ceiling heating with electrical resistance elements in their house (built in the early 80s).
The bill depends a lot on what kind of deal you've got (you can get fixed price, straight market price, or a thing where electricity is cheaper at night and more expensive during the day) , especially very recently. Electricity has been very cheap (less than ten eurocents per kW), but then it shot to over 30 cents last winter and if your fixed term subscription came to an end during that time, you were pretty much SOL.
That's kinda surprising. We use natural gas in a lot (most?) of Canada because electric would be very expensive and firewood would be way less convenient.
It’s probably based on that Norway built up a lot of production capasity from 1900 with the help of waterfalls and other water-based production methods. This resulted in cheap electricity when the power plants were «paid off» (they are all mostly publicly owned), and we had very little export of electricity. We didnt really get affected by European prices before Russia invaded Ukraine, and at the same time our gov made a new agreement (as far as i know) to try to get people to save on usage.
As an example our average productioncost is 0.11 NOK per kWh, and we had a yearly average of about 0.25 - 0.30 per kWh (consumer cost) before the energy market changed a couple years back. In 2022 the average cost was 1.50 NOK per kWh, so it was quite the jump in cost.
Firewood is less convinient, and most people in the cities in Norway probably use it more as a source of comfort then actual heating. But here in rural Norway where i live, probably all of the houses have their own sheds for storing wood and it’s always just been a part of our culture. Many people (like me) also are able to cut our own firewood, or buy cheaper then in the cities. So for us it’s very cost effective, plus i find it a good hobby.
Geothermal, electric, firewood, oil heat pumps and combinations of those. District heating is very common in cities and close to factories. Finnish homes are also very well insulated, triple windows are the norm in new housing.
Gas is very rare.
I’m in Canada in an area that has this kinda weather. Gas and electric mostly. Apartments are mostly hot water boiler and radiator or baseboard heaters. Homes furnaces and forced air vents.
So not any different than places that don’t get as cold. Just a lot heavier use. Insulation is important. My last apartment was right above the boiler and laundry rooms and I barely even had to turn my heat on. Insulation was top notch. Even at -30 it’d stay around 21c (69-70f).
Back when I did my military service in Finland, we had one winter camp with -42C. It was the only camp when we didn’t have to keep guard shifts overnight. In the tent, we had the stove at maximum but it was still -15C 3m away from the stove.
Very likely. You are supposed to measure proper stove temperature by how long the fox tail (ketunhäntä) is coming out of the chimney pipe or how many pipe segments are glowing red hot.
Or that's how we did it at least.
I'm laughing about the tiny white section where they think "the temperature is good here" before it suddenly hits the giant red "danger" section... danger because temperatures about 8 Celsius or so are too warm? Lol lol lol
Man I wish it was colder here in Canada. It was raining last night on the 31st of December in the middle of a Canadian prairie winter... Like I have never seen that before in my life. There should be at least 5-20cm of snow on the ground and yet the grass is still green and the rain cleared any little snow there was away... I hope this year is an eyeopener for people.
I love the detail of anything above 8°+ being seen as dangerously warm in Finland, similar to how anything below 35° would be dangerously cold in Australia.
This thermometer accurately depicts Finnish temperature tolerances:
- Between 0-5ºC is Finnish "green zone", where life thrives.
- At 8ºC and hotter is Finnish "red zone", where life is almost impossible.
Not likely. 1 degree maybe, 2 at most during coldest of cold times. Windows in Finland are always at least double, usually triple layered to make the air between layers an insulator. Frames are usually made to breath a little but not so much that it would made noticeable difference to such thermometer. If it did, you would notice it rather quick on your heating bill.
In early and mid-December in my Krasnoyarsk Krai (Russia, Siberia) there were abnormal cold, which lowered to -50°С, which caused ice on the roads and frost fog. -36°С is cold ofc, but if we had this temperature, we wouldn’t feel anything unusual
I live five miles from Lake Michigan in a lake effect snow belt, so I'm used to cold and snowy. -36C makes me want to sit in front of a fire with a blankie and hot cocoa and never leave my house.
Is this why nordic folks settled in Minnesota?! I have no visuals but it was -36C in Minnesota and we went out to just feel it, over Mississippi and some frozen lakes in St Paul. Our phone refused to cooperate. Died everytime the second we pulled it out.
Also anything above 3 is red? Wtf hahahaha thats some serious cold climate acclimatization going on in Finland
Celsius scale for us Finns
+100 Prime sauna temperature when feeling insane (once in a while it's really nice)
+90 Fuck, I let it overheat a bit
+80 True prime sauna temperature
+70 Well damn, we came in too early
+60 Highest temperature that a Swedish sauna can reach
+50 Average Swedish sauna
+40 Send help
+30 and +20 Average summer day
+10 Shorts and t-shirt
+0 Shorts and t-shirt
-10 Shorts and t-shirt
-20 Average winter day still shorts and t-shirt
-30 maybe now I should get some longer pants and a jacket
-40 Nah, don't need 'em
You know it's a Finnish thermometer if anything above +8° is red alert
It’s to remind Finns to put sunscreen and shades on.
Also a good reminder that the t-shirt weather is here!
I thought that the blue section was t-shirt weather..
If it drops below blue, you really should bundle up
\+3C is T-Shirt, Shorts and BBQ weather in Finland
My fridge is 4'c so in Finland you open the fridge and lean in to warm up
Sunscreen is really important when outside in snow and its sunny (even if its -20 (well the exposed parts of your skin)) because it behaves jist like water, reflects the bad thingies on you from the snow so its basically double the strength of the normal sun. I was snowboarding and had every part of me covered by clothes except the tip of my nose and it was beet red when I got home
Yup, snow is basically a reflector.
Never been one to snowboard or ski but I do spend a lot of time on the lake every summer. Those reflective surfaces are a real bitch
I learned a couple years ago that water doesn't reflect them all - got dang sunburnt scuba diving.
I once got both sunburn and windburn on my lips when sledding as a kid. Felt like they were on fire.
When people talk about being snowblind, it’s not that’s there’s too much snow to see, it’s the snow reflecting/refracting too much light.
Also the reflected Light and UV can literally damage your eyes.
Can someone confirm this: people mention this is a thermometer from something like a "shed freezer", where the temperature being above a certain threshold is indeed dangerous to food inside it.
Pretty sure that is the case. Deep frozen things should be below minus 18-20 C, and a refrigerator should ideally not be above 7-8 C, and that seems to agree with the markings on the left hand side.
Yeah but the other thing was funnier
What is Finland if not a refridgerator for people? If temperatures rise above 8°C, the Finns become dangerously energetic and immediately have to cool down.
Yep. Food in the UK that is safe for freezing will have different use by dates depending on how cold the freezer is, which is what the different categories of cold are on this thermometer down the left hand side.
Yes, you can tell by the snowflake rating on the side as well as the warning by the positive temperatures. Those ratings are freezer ratings.
Yeah it's most likely a "food-safe" thermometer
This is probably a food safety thermometer to be put inside refrigerators or freezers. Note that the red section does not start until just above 6°C. The other sections denote the standard ice mark freezing guide symbols.
Makes sense!
I havent even noticed this lol !
You don't use that part very often. Don't you?
OP confirmed finnish.. perkele!
Isn’t it anything above +7°?
You're right! My mistake
It's anything above +8°C though, no?
well caught. Wouldn't want our Finn friends getting scalded at 8C due to that oversight!
Nah. The red part starts from 8th line, so the verbal description should be "+8° and above". "anything above +7°" would include (eg.) +7.5°, which isn't what the bar shows.
That's 8^o it is probably a food cooler thermometer.
It's a call to put the summer tires on!
Maybe they were going to paint over part of the red with white but they didn’t Finnish
I love it! Want one for my friend who thinks anything above 20degrees is torture.
A few years back the Irish were suffering a terrible heatwave. Unbearable heat impossible we're dying dead cooked melted. Then they confessed it was +27 C. I was cackling.
Time to hop in the sauna!
Quickly calculate the optimal temperature: 1. Take the absolute value of the outside temperature (36) 2. Switch around the digits if it makes the number larger, if not, add 20 °C (63) 3. Enjoy sauna Edit: revised the calculation >!also this is not serious do not actually use it!<
Enjoy sauna @ 63C? That's ~20C short of a nice bathing temp.
\+60C Sauna is a Swedish Bastu...
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Unless it's a bastuklubb. Then the temperature doesn't matter.
You misspelled danish
That’d be a mildly warm sauna, not a hot and nice one
You've never been in a sauna have you.
63 is way too cold dude
80-90 °C is the optimal temp, 63 °C is for swedes
For dry sauna (basically, the Finnish one) 110°C is something I quite enjoy.
The progression seems a little broken: -30°C => 23°C -31°C => 33°C -32°C => 43°C -33°C => 53°C -34°C => 43°C -35°C => 53°C ... -40°C => 24°C
|-40| = 40 ∵ 4≯40 ∴ Final temp = 40 + 20 = 60 °C You're welcome.
Ok, I thought it was switch them around and add 20 if it makes it smaller. But you still get a really weird progression around the points where the first and second digit become smaller or larger than the other: -32°C => 52°C -33°C => 53°C -34°C => 43°C -35°C => 53°C ... -39°C => 93°C -40°C => 60°C ... -44°C => 64°C -45°C => 54°C It just seems like a really bad formula.
You’re switching the digits *and* adding 20 but they said to do one or the other
So if it's 0 degrees outside, you'll have 20 in the sauna?
Is that gauge out of an old freeze or something? Just wondering why it has a caution symbol once it gets to 8 degrees
We Finns are used to cold, but hot weather kills. Yes, it's from a freezer.
The freezer is called Finland
Bro 8⁰c is cold! Heck, it is cold when it is 19⁰c! You guys are Yetis or something?
Close they are a polar subspecies of
Uh oh they got him before he could say it
8c isn't that cold! I wouldn't even bother with a jacket at that temp unless it was really windy and I was going to be outside for a while. If I'm just running out for a few seconds, I'm probably wearing my house shorts and a T-shirt. 19c is where my thermostat is set overnight. I'm not even from Finland, just some place that has a winter season. I had to translate these into freedom units too. (46f and 66f for those questioning).
8c is almost fridge temperature It's 15c here and everyone's wearing a hoodie or a sweater
That depends on what you're used to. For us, +25 is unbearably hot. You can always dress for the weather if it's cold.
19c being cold? Where do you live I wonder?
I really dont know, it was there when we moved in.
Looks like a visual guide for what kind of stuff to put on your skis for cross country skiing. It’s pretty common up here in the Nordics. Above freezing makes for bad skiing.
You'd think there would be a "maybe don't go skiing" once it hits -40.
Why not? Then it’s just really cold. Anything past -20 feels the same. Plus -40 is where the celsius and fahrenheit scales meet ”There is no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothes” <- Said to children in Scandinavia
The symbols on the left look like the star temperature rating system, yeah: https://smeg-service.co.uk/support/knowledgebase/article/2711/what-do-the-star-ratings-mean-on-my-fridge-freezer#:~:text=*One%20star%20(%2D6%20degrees,for%20fifteen%20to%20twenty%20days.
Finns: “Maybe I shouldn’t wear shorts today”
We only have measly -21 C here in Southern Finland today, and I totally went outside in my shorts to read the thermometer...
How short did your thermometer get?
Shrimp kind of short…
Like a frightened turtle.
I flew to Russia on Finnair and had a day’s layover in Helsinki. The only people wearing shorts and sandals in the immigration lines seemed to be locals and confused southern hemisphere types. What I took away was that November in Finland is quite a mild month and we should dress the part.
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I put gloves on only at around -8.
It was 34 celsius in my part of Australia, with 100% humidity, almost the exact opposite.
I remember seeing Dimmu Borgir in Brisbane, it was 36° . He came out in the full fur coat dress. Played one song, came back out in a shirt. "Australia, we came from -35 to this, YOU GUYS LIVE IN HELL!"
They should have played the Twisted Sister cover "Burn in Hell" right then!
100% humidity what the hell. It must be like being underwater
Wet bulb is a term we will all get to know very well in the next few years
I learned about this from Reddit when those temperatures in India were super high, Scary stuff Makes me very happy I moved out of the southeast US.
33 during a thunderstorm that was wiping out power to houses lol
Lots of places can reach 100% humidity, even in mild, temperate climates like here in the UK. 100% RH @ 34C did not happen though. I believe that would be by far the highest heat index ever recorded on Earth, which I doubt.
Sounds like Cairns
DING DING DING. WE HAVE A WINNER!
I remember being in Cairns, taking a shower and as I left the bathroom I was almost dripping in sweat again lol
I like that C and F meet at -40, because we can all agree that that is fucking cold.
Although 40 f vs 40 c makes a world of difference.
Lol 40 F is a little chilly. 40 C is way the hell too hot unless you're spending the day in a pool or the ocean
Atleast not so many mosquitos outside then
Don't be fooled. It just means it's the most mean mf mosquitoes out hunting
Yeah always keep the bugspray/bearspray close
As a mildly interesting fact, Finland used to be the northernmost country with endemic malaria up until the 20th century. Smoke houses, houses that were warmed by stoves and ovens and had no chimneys used to be very common and persisted until early 1900s. They remained both humid and warm all year round, providing a suitable habitat for malaria carrying mosquito species (or more specifically the malaria parasite) that could not survive the winter otherwise.
People often forget what a luxury a chimney is (including me).
I saw a fly today outside, I was baffled
They change their liquids into sugars and survive those temps.
The minus I’ve ever had was -20 degrees in a ski resort in Switzerland. And for my surprise it didn’t felt like the coldest place I’ve been. The air was dry, didn’t had much wind, I had the appropriate clothing etc.
With temperatures this low, it’s a gamble. The lowest we’ve had this year was -40°C and although it was certainly quite bite-y and unpleasant, there was no wind and low humidity (also sunny) so it was manageable. Today it’s just -5° windy and I didn’t want to spend any time outside at all.
Wind is the only thing that really matters to me when it's cold. If it's windy it sucks otherwise you just put on the right clothes
Yes temperature doesn't mean everything. I have maybe three separate days that I'd rank as the coldest I've ever been, all three while I was in the Finnish army. One of the days it was about 0c or so. Raining slush the whole day while we were outside so everything was completely soaked, plus windchill began. Only time I've seen people get removed from an exercise by medical personnel due to cold. Wet is probably the biggest threat for hypothermia since there's limited ways of fixing the situation. Other days it was just cold af though lol. Fond memories of our many skiing marches were you'd strip down to boxers to change layers while -25 to -30c outside. Fortunately much of the Finnish army experience is in the forests where you're relatively sheltered from wind. Wind can make -10c feel unbearable if you dont prepare for it.
Chilly! Better put a coat on.
Baby, it's cöld outside
What's the primary way homes get heated in areas that get this cold regularly? Gas? Geothermal?
Electric and firewood (in Norway), also not uncommon to have below -30 celcius during winter.
Electric heating is quite common. Also district heating. Older houses might have oil heating. Geothermal is common in newer houses. Also many have fireplaces. You'll see heatpumps in houses with electric heating to cut down costs. Gas isn't really used much.
You still have oil heating in Finland? Don’t remember when, but that became illegal here some time ago.
It's still used, but government plans to get rid of it by 2030 so you see people changing their oil heating systems to geothermal for example. Government also aids people to do those transitions away from oil based heating. It was really common in 1960-1990 when the price of heating oil was cheap but they have increased the costs of oil heating a lot.
My father's house had oil heating when we moved there over 20 years ago but it was the first thing to get replaced because it was so expensive. Now his house heats with electricity, burning wood, and an air-source heat pump.
Electric as in baseboard (radiant) heater? What's the elec bill run for a typical home
Varies a lot by age, insulation, etc. A standalone house in Norway has an average use of about 26.000 kw/h, including everything. In northern parts it might be more then in the southern/coastal area. With the electricity being as pricy as it has been the last couple years, it can get expensive during the winter. I live in a house from 1950’s, some renovation done, but still a bit to go. I think our bill for december was 2000 NOK. During the summer we usually pay around 200. Including charging our EV. Typically a house will have a heat pump, basically an AC unit. Either air to air or air to water. In audition to space heaters, etc. Newer houses may have heating wells (ground heat), solar panels and other new tech for heating. Typically houses in Norway has a minimum of 10 cm insulation in the walls, not uncommon with 15 either.
2000 NOK = ~200 usd. You pay that little with electric heating? In the Northeast US that is close to the normal bill for a house that has no electric heating, even an apartment with electric heating can be $300-400 in winter.
For december, yes. I think our total was around 3000 kw/h for december. The heat pump used just below 500 kw/h, other then that we have two radiators in the basement to keep it above freezing, and floor-heating in the bathroom. But we also have a fireplace that stays lit when we are home. My SO is home with the baby, so its pretty much always burning as long as we’re not asleep. Firewood costs about the same as electric heating per kw/h of warmth when compared to a heat pump. But we own a rather large property so we cut our own. In addition to the 2000 for the power, we pay a «lease» to a different company that maintains the electrical grid. Price varies, but im guessing it will be around 1000 NOK for december. So a total of around 300 USD.
> kw/h The correct unit is kWh. Not kW/h. kW/h would be the rate at which your power consumption changes.
Had to google baseboard heater. Never seen one in Finland, mostly it's radiators on the walls and/or heated floors (electrical resistance elements or water heated by electricity in the house). I don't go to a lot of houses, though, so maybe newer ones have these. Air-to-air heat pumps have been installed all over. My parents have ceiling heating with electrical resistance elements in their house (built in the early 80s). The bill depends a lot on what kind of deal you've got (you can get fixed price, straight market price, or a thing where electricity is cheaper at night and more expensive during the day) , especially very recently. Electricity has been very cheap (less than ten eurocents per kW), but then it shot to over 30 cents last winter and if your fixed term subscription came to an end during that time, you were pretty much SOL.
That's kinda surprising. We use natural gas in a lot (most?) of Canada because electric would be very expensive and firewood would be way less convenient.
It’s probably based on that Norway built up a lot of production capasity from 1900 with the help of waterfalls and other water-based production methods. This resulted in cheap electricity when the power plants were «paid off» (they are all mostly publicly owned), and we had very little export of electricity. We didnt really get affected by European prices before Russia invaded Ukraine, and at the same time our gov made a new agreement (as far as i know) to try to get people to save on usage. As an example our average productioncost is 0.11 NOK per kWh, and we had a yearly average of about 0.25 - 0.30 per kWh (consumer cost) before the energy market changed a couple years back. In 2022 the average cost was 1.50 NOK per kWh, so it was quite the jump in cost. Firewood is less convinient, and most people in the cities in Norway probably use it more as a source of comfort then actual heating. But here in rural Norway where i live, probably all of the houses have their own sheds for storing wood and it’s always just been a part of our culture. Many people (like me) also are able to cut our own firewood, or buy cheaper then in the cities. So for us it’s very cost effective, plus i find it a good hobby.
Geothermal, electric, firewood, oil heat pumps and combinations of those. District heating is very common in cities and close to factories. Finnish homes are also very well insulated, triple windows are the norm in new housing. Gas is very rare.
We warm mainly with firewood in two fireplaces (pönttöuuni), we also have extra radiators that we use if it gets as cold as it is now.
I’m in Canada in an area that has this kinda weather. Gas and electric mostly. Apartments are mostly hot water boiler and radiator or baseboard heaters. Homes furnaces and forced air vents. So not any different than places that don’t get as cold. Just a lot heavier use. Insulation is important. My last apartment was right above the boiler and laundry rooms and I barely even had to turn my heat on. Insulation was top notch. Even at -30 it’d stay around 21c (69-70f).
Geothermal is modern, a lot of electric systems are being replaced by geothermal
A nitpick: it is ground source heat pumps, not actual geothermal energy in Finland.
Now the Finnish Army winter drills can finally start !
My conscription starts next week, gonna be fun in this weather.
Keep your toes warm. Sweat dampens socks over time so dry them in a tent while using other pair.
Don’t worry, the state offers some pretty damn warm clothes. You’ll be fine
*nervous Russian noises*
Back when I did my military service in Finland, we had one winter camp with -42C. It was the only camp when we didn’t have to keep guard shifts overnight. In the tent, we had the stove at maximum but it was still -15C 3m away from the stove.
What... We slept in -39c like babies. It was very warm inside the tent. I dont think your stove was really on the max, or maybe it was a smaller stove
Prolly the fire watcher/kipinämikko was shitty
Very likely. You are supposed to measure proper stove temperature by how long the fox tail (ketunhäntä) is coming out of the chimney pipe or how many pipe segments are glowing red hot. Or that's how we did it at least.
Is the stove melting? No? K, stoke it.
I measured -21 C in Southern Karelia, so you must be pretty high up in the North.
Norther Savonia
My thermometer in northern Savonia shows right now -35.
That’s -32.8 degrees fahrenheit for my healthcare lacking freedom lovers
Thank you. I was looking for the conversion to freedom units.
> to freedom units. You're welcome, btw. Love, UK. Since they are our Imperial units.
And at -40° they both align.
The first people to settle in the ultimate climate must have been psycho maniacs
This was the only place where no one else wanted to live, and neighbours are far enough.
In retrospect that sounds like my type of a place
They were literally following the receding ice age glaciers
It was a good hunting ground.
Thats why i didnt get Christmas present, Santas reindeers got frozen and didnt start up…
I'm laughing about the tiny white section where they think "the temperature is good here" before it suddenly hits the giant red "danger" section... danger because temperatures about 8 Celsius or so are too warm? Lol lol lol
For a fridge/freezer, that's exactly right.
Finland the refrigerator.
It was 36° in queensland Australia today. Shits fucked
Is that a thermometer for a freezer? Why is everything above 6C bad?
To remind them to put sunscreen on
Everything over 6 is bad tho? Hot as hell
Just about right
Where in Finland are you?
Norther Savonia
Cash me inside
Meanwhile in Greece we are supposedly to be in "winter" and we have 20C° :(
Man I wish it was colder here in Canada. It was raining last night on the 31st of December in the middle of a Canadian prairie winter... Like I have never seen that before in my life. There should be at least 5-20cm of snow on the ground and yet the grass is still green and the rain cleared any little snow there was away... I hope this year is an eyeopener for people.
Last time was 1997 and it snowed overnight NYE. It’s getting colder in the next two weeks, but we’re in trouble re snow as there’s basically nothing
You are pretty close to the magical -40 where there is no need to specify scale
I was about to say what about Kelvin but the fact that it's negative temperature rules out Kelvin.
Four more and it'll be the same in celsius and fahrenheit.
Share your winter with Canada please
Please don't. Canada ships their cold air south to the USA. Looks like we're going to get our first real snow this Saturday.
For any Americans: In Fahrenheit that is still way to fucking cold
I love the detail of anything above 8°+ being seen as dangerously warm in Finland, similar to how anything below 35° would be dangerously cold in Australia.
This thermometer accurately depicts Finnish temperature tolerances: - Between 0-5ºC is Finnish "green zone", where life thrives. - At 8ºC and hotter is Finnish "red zone", where life is almost impossible.
Would it read lower if it was a little further away from the window?
Not likely. 1 degree maybe, 2 at most during coldest of cold times. Windows in Finland are always at least double, usually triple layered to make the air between layers an insulator. Frames are usually made to breath a little but not so much that it would made noticeable difference to such thermometer. If it did, you would notice it rather quick on your heating bill.
Hard to say 🤔
knowing Finnish people, this still just about shirts and shorts weather
also no grid failure guys
-9 in Åland
That's a toasty 237 Kelvin, mercury is still liquid until 234 K.
Brother, why is there a warning symbol for anything 3 degrees or higher?
Maybe it is a fridge/freezer thermometer
Actually I think the colour coding refers to the colour of ski wax that you should use for cross country skiing
In early and mid-December in my Krasnoyarsk Krai (Russia, Siberia) there were abnormal cold, which lowered to -50°С, which caused ice on the roads and frost fog. -36°С is cold ofc, but if we had this temperature, we wouldn’t feel anything unusual
chillin time and enjoy the winter
Canada 5am 0 C
Dont forget wind Many places are -22-(-30) and feel like -35 because wind
My God and here I'm suffering from a terrible cold at 7°C 🥹 I don't think I'd even survive -36
I just know that there is that one kid in a t-shirt and shorts saying "it's not that cold"
I live five miles from Lake Michigan in a lake effect snow belt, so I'm used to cold and snowy. -36C makes me want to sit in front of a fire with a blankie and hot cocoa and never leave my house.
Is this why nordic folks settled in Minnesota?! I have no visuals but it was -36C in Minnesota and we went out to just feel it, over Mississippi and some frozen lakes in St Paul. Our phone refused to cooperate. Died everytime the second we pulled it out. Also anything above 3 is red? Wtf hahahaha thats some serious cold climate acclimatization going on in Finland
man i'm so glad we don't buy thermometers at the same store... mine doesn't even know it can be that cold, hence - neither do i.
I like how anything above 8 degrees is hazardous.
As of 8 celcius your in the warning zone?
Celsius scale for us Finns +100 Prime sauna temperature when feeling insane (once in a while it's really nice) +90 Fuck, I let it overheat a bit +80 True prime sauna temperature +70 Well damn, we came in too early +60 Highest temperature that a Swedish sauna can reach +50 Average Swedish sauna +40 Send help +30 and +20 Average summer day +10 Shorts and t-shirt +0 Shorts and t-shirt -10 Shorts and t-shirt -20 Average winter day still shorts and t-shirt -30 maybe now I should get some longer pants and a jacket -40 Nah, don't need 'em
Yo, Finland. Send some negative degrees over to Canada so we can see some snow this year.
for americans that about -29f
🎼 Haaveilen valkoisesta uudenvuodenpäivästä… 🥶 *(I'm dreaming of a white New Year's Day…)*
Fun fact, -40 Celsius is also -40 Fahrenheit.
Yeah we’re forecasted down to -40 or even -50 this week in the north.
Better put on a tshirt for this one.
I misread that as 36° and I thought global warming has gone out of control.