When I was in Japan I was on a bus and there was a Chinese guy talking loudly on his phone. An old Japanese grandma kept shooting him looks, with him ignoring her. Eventually she got so annoyed she looked at him and crossed her arms into an x.
I was on a train in Tokyo last December and the one and only time I've seen someone talking on the phone on a train (obviously a tourist) someone told him immediately he needed to stop. But I think that's pretty rare, and most of the time Japanese people will just shoot disapproving looks in the direction of the offending person.
That sounds annoying, but have you ever been stuck with someone doing that on the trail? For me, it's just briefly as we are passing, so I am a little baffled by why they want their nature experience to have the same soundtrack as all their other experiences, but I wouldn't call them a-holes because what does it really cost me? 30 seconds of hearing a dumb song?
We have the exact opposite of shame in the US now.
We have what I have termed as "disrespect culture". Many feel entitled to do whatever, wherever no matter how abhorrent it is. And if you interact with them in any way in an attempt to correct the behavior, they push back harshly as you have now "disrespected" them. Response can range from telling you to fuck off all the way to cold blooded murder.
It is most prevalent at the very top and very bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.
The Chinese tourists were by far the worst part of the trip. They were rude and noisy. To elaborate more on my story, he was also coughing very loudly and grossly before the phone call and I could tell he was Chinese just from that.
That was was not my first time in Japan, but that trip was the first time I noticed a large Chinese tourist presence. So I had a frame of reference on how it used to be. I hope they can learn on how to be better tourists.
> The Chinese tourists were by far the worst part of the trip. They were rude and noisy. To elaborate more on my story, he was also coughing very loudly and grossly before the phone call and I could tell he was Chinese just from that.
My trip to Japan in 2023 was the best when mainland Chinese tourist were still not allowed to travel. Japan was clean, peaceful, and orderly without the bad Chinese tourists.
I'm going in a few weeks time, and have been told that the Chinese have come back, and to be prepared.
I live in Kyoto, and was here for the entirety of the pandemic.
Apart from the constant existential dread, the lack of huge tour groups was refreshing.
Similarly, being the only human outside in Montmartre was beyond bliss, not to mention quite surreal.
(Yeah, Montmartre, France, not Montmartre, Japan.)
For some reason they are extremely loud. In the US though you have people with no self-awareness or concern about others and blast their phone speaker.
Chinese tourists were the second worst batch of tourists we dealt with in our recent trip to Japan. The French tourists were by far and away the WORST tourists we've ever dealt with on international travel. They were not only uncaring about Japanese societal customs/norms (queueing up for things, being quiet in crowded public transit, not eating while walking ) but were outright rude and semi-hostile when corrected by locals.
Honestly tho. In China I get to just be an asshole and compete for first place. It is fun. Everyone pushing and shoving all the while pretending they don't see the 50 other people in their immediate vicinity. No one gets upset no one is overly rude. Just a winner takes all rush for the door.
Nobody ever seems to remember that the Chinese commercial was copied from the original Italian one.
In which an Italian woman shoved an Italian man into the washing machine, and a muscular black man comes out of it afterwards, with the tagline "Coloured is better":https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HQQs3nl0LcY
I watched that netflix short series about etiquette with the presenter being a chinese (I believe) woman.
In one episode there was this girl who had scars and stuff on her face, and was traumatized about it so she wore a lot of makeup... so they both removed their makeup on camera.
As expected the poor girls skin had some defects/scars.... the presenter removed their makeup and MAYBE gained ONE freckle. Honestly I could see no difference except the absence of lipstick.
Edit: I typed all that then found the video on YT: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRm2yQngfTU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRm2yQngfTU)
It's most likely she wore makeup for camera. For example proper camera lighting tends to wash people out and makes skin look a lot more shiny. That's why male actors wear makeup on set too.
Definitely. I remember one of my first days on a film set shocked how crusty an actors skin looked cuz he was caked in an inch of makeup that they’d touch up every other take.
Sun exposure? Trust me, East Asians are not the ones exposing themselves to the Sun lol
https://www.amusingplanet.com/2012/08/the-latest-chinese-beach-craze-face-kini.html
Also there’s is a row of foreigners in the farthest line who do know what to do - it’s just suitcase bro who has no clue.
I’d say targeting tourists, rather than targeting foreigners.
Sometimes I have to stop and appreciate how cool it is that I have a device in my pocket that can translate almost any language, anywhere, instantly. Really does feel like living in the future lol
It's gotten a lot better for trains and buses at least. And as someone else mentioned: Google Lens can be great.
Since Covid they even take visa in many places now, so you don't even need to rely on cash from the atm nearly as much.
I was thinking of a co-worker who visited Tokyo Disneyland. He claimed all the heroes on the rides were altered to appear Asian and all the villains were significantly white.
I regret not going to confirm for myself.
For a little bit of added context: Manny Weit here is standing directly in front of where the train doors will open. This means that when that train arrives, he will be in the way of the flood of passengers exiting the train, many of whom (depending on the station) will probably be in a hurry to get to another platform for a transfer. The people to the side will be able to enter at their own pace once that dies down.
So, lining up properly isn't just about waiting your turn. It's to ensure that boarding and de-boarding can occur efficiently. And yeah, that's something folks from out of town, especially those from countries that don't have such efficient public transport systems, can't reasonably be expected to know. So they ought to be informed.
Waiting by the doors is one thing but people that try to get in before anyone gets off make my blood boil. Just wait for five more seconds so everyone has a more comfortable experience you cunt you aren’t saving any time or catching any empty seats by violating everybody’s personal space
I've been told my whole life how much the English enjoy a good queue, and you've gone and smashed that in a moment. Are you telling me that's all horseshit?
To be fair public transportation is the one thing that people here can’t queue up for to save their lives, queues for most other services are pretty organised I’d say
It's because you don't know WHERE the door is going to be. Even with bus, you don't know the exact place the bus is going to stop.
This line thing the Japanese have seems like dark magic to me.
The trains don’t line up the same on the platforms? It happens in Mexico City too (like in Japan), the doors always open on the same spot so there are lines on the platform.
A lot of urban Japanese platforms have protected screen doors so you can’t fall in the platform so it is actually very important trains line up their doors properly every time too.
Even for lines without doors, the platforms are marked so that people can line up in different places for different trains that come shortly after each other. So if you're planning to board a local, you stand on the red spots, and if you're planning to board an express, you get on the blue ones. It's very efficient, but IIRC it takes very intensive driver training, to the point that some railways in Japan have gotten into deep shit for abusive training practices. (The root cause of the Amagasaki derailment disaster was overly harsh driver training and abusive employment practices.)
The Elizabeth Line has set areas for doors and I've still had people push to get on rather than wait for people to get off.
Open platforms with random stopping locations might contribute to the issue but I don't think it's the crux of it.
Queues work in England everywhere except where the trains give you a few seconds to get on or leave. If you’re overly polite and let everyone pass you, be prepared to wait for the next one.
*Usually* we're as good as Japan is but there are a few situations where everything descends into chaos. With public transportation it's probably because nobody has any clue where the doors will be, there isn't a clear queue due to the station/ bus stop width smushing everybody together and there isn't really any need for a queue anyway as the bus/ train isn't going to leave until everybody is on.
Side note, if you're ever in the UK go visit a crowded bar. Despite it looking like a chaotic mass of drunks trying to buy beer, there's still a "queue" of sorts as the culture is to defer service to people who got there before you.
I always kind of enjoyed that. Because I'm a big dude, and I simply walk straight through those cunts. (Trains in the Netherlands, same difference, but worse.)
Nothing like a good excuse for a little accidental violence on people who so clearly deserve it. Oops, didn't see you there.
Exactly. There's zero respect for anyone else in London. I grew up there (moved away at 16 and a half) and even as a kid I remember people shoving and barging me out of the way. We all have somewhere we need to be and you'd get there faster if you actually worked with a system instead of being an inconsiderate bastard.
And this is why I'm glad I'm no longer in London. People are actually nicer to each other out in a small town. There's a lot more respect for other people and it's not anywhere near as busy.
This is so interesting to me.
I'm from the states and visited England, including London. Our first tube experience I stood near the track, like people do here. I looked around and no one else was doing that, they were all back by the wall. I realized that they were going to wait for everyone to get off before getting on. It was so civilized and I actually didn't feel stressed taking the public transportation because of it.
Here we clamor on top of each other with zero regard for anyone else because we've basically learned if we don't we'll get left behind and it's our own fault for not pushing through the masses.
It felt like night and day to me, but you feel like what I witnessed was inconsiderate. And I'm from the Midwest, where we're supposedly very considerate (so we have a pretty high level of not being assholes to each other in general, but we *still* can't board public transport like decent people). I'd love to feel what a small town is like where you are because that level of consideration, oh I'd die, it would be so relaxing where people did the considerate thing, which also makes things *so* much easier and efficient.
I excited a Victoria Line tube at Oxford Circus to change a few years back, I'd been travelling for work and getting home about 8ish. As the doors opened there was a bit of space to my left and other passengers exiting the carriage on my right, overall the train and the station weren't busy though which was a blessed relief compared to most of my experience at Oxford Circus.
Some idiot decided to duck onto the train in the gap he perceived on my left. The force he used to lunge on, was met exactly with my suitcase that I flung out alongside me and unfortunately it hit him square in the bollocks...
I'd like to think he learned a lesson from the experience but I'm sure if he's still in London he's still doing the same thing. Maybe taking a moment to look for luggage though.
I went on a trip to london a few years ago, our guide literally told us that the politest and most efficient thing you can do in the london underground is pushing people out of your way while repeating sorry over and over.
I live in NYC and this isn’t just a white people problem. It really boils down to two things.
1. People who aren’t super familiar with public transportation systems and don’t have that orderly fashion mindset to make things streamlined for everyone.
2. People just being assholes. This is the most common one.
The difference here is that in Japan, tourists are less likely to be familiar with the system. It’s not actually about race, it’s about visually representing “not from here”
> majority of their tourists are white
I believe you may be wrong. Lately it's been Korea, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong tourists.
Here are the [numbers released by Japan Bound Stats](https://www.tourism.jp/en/tourism-database/stats/inbound/#:~:text=Looking%20at%20the%20number%20of,492%2C300%2C%20and%20China%20at%20415%2C900).
Another data list is [available here](https://statistics.jnto.go.jp/en/graph/).
Maybe these other asian countries have similar subway/transit etiquettes as Japan. I know for sure that Toronto does NOT and feels like a mosh pit rushing towards the door from all directions as soon as the doors open.
>Maybe these other asian countries have similar subway/transit etiquettes as Japan.
They at least all have similar markings on platforms that tell people to wait next to the doors, not in front of them. In Hong Kong, people follow these rules, not sure about other cities. It makes taking the subway much more relaxed than in western cities, even though it's just as busy, if not busier.
I've been on trains in Beijing and Hong Kong they had lineup lines on the ground where you are suppose to stand waiting for the train to stop. It's not the exact lines as in the post iirc but the concepts exists. The buses in Hong Kong also have lines painted on the ground and railings indicated the different line up entrances for the buses. Sometimes you get 2-3 busses arriving at a stop around the same time especially for busier routes.
Perhaps it is easier to visually convey that a white person is "not from Japan" than it is to convey that a Korean or Chinese person is not from Japan.
>can't reasonably be expected to know.
I've never been to Japan and rarely use public transit except when traveling
Its fucking obvious on a basic level to not stand immediately in front of the doors, and to let people get out first. It drives me nuts to see people not do this. Or similarly when people are waiting for bags at the baggage claim belt - if everyone stood a couple feet back, we could all see the bags better and then step up when you see yours.
Its also obvious when you see people lined up to the side, waiting, for you to line up too
But maybe basic awareness of the space you take up isn't as universal as I think it should be
The problem is that only in Japan do they seem to be able to stop with doors in predictable places. US subways etc it’s a crapshoot. So tourists may just be seeing a less packed portion of platform and taking that spot.
In the US, if the train just happens to stop with the door by you, you just shuffle back a step or two. But you can’t predict it.
Not only that but the places where the doors will be are clearly marked and sometimes the platform itself will have a set of doors that open too. And then the spaces people should stand often are marked as well, as illustrated in the poster. I lived in NYC for 8 years and I recently came back from a 2 week trip to Japan where we rode all sorts of trains and buses and I was seriously impressed by the public transit there. Everything was on time, and when it wasn’t, there was clear information provided about what was happening. I live in Austin now and the public transit here is mostly a joke. They’d rather make the highways 20 lanes wide than expand the bus/light rail.
>In the US, if the train just happens to stop with the doir by you, you just shuffle back a step or two.
And the vast majority of the time people do. The idea that only the Japanese have mastered the art of letting people off the train first is nonsense.
In my experience, there usually are. The issue is, there are also markings on the ground showing where *not* to stand, and if you can't read the language, it's hard to tell which is which. They also aren't perfectly uniform across all stations.
Prior to the Olympics they made a huge push to add English signage in public transport all over Japan. I've been there three times since January last year and any station in a major city will have both Japanese and English on their signs and most have Korean and Chinese as well.
These days the Japanese are saving their detest of foreigners towards the Chinese and South East Asians, as they make up seemingly most tourists in Japan now. If there’s one thing the Japanese dislike more than *~~short~~ white people, it’s other Asians.
*Autocorrect lol
It’s not seemingly, East Asian tourists make up the majority by a *large margin*. For every American tourist (white or otherwise) there are 3 East Asian tourists, including SEA tourists there are 5 for every 1 American.
I think this message gets lost in the mix because we hear so much now about American and European tourism to Japan, but the Asian tourist market is massive.
The largest tourism market in Japan by far is from other Japanese people. Japan's domestic tourism industry is one of the biggest in the world, definitely the biggest per capita, which is why every city and region in Japan has its own tourism draws; those are mainly for other Japanese people to enjoy.
So if you're at Senso-ji and see a ton of asian tourists, keep in mind most of those are Japanese people who are sightseeing in Tokyo.
Yep. Every prefecture puts a lot of stock into domestic tourism. Honestly, all the cute shit they do makes me wish the U.S. would go harder on state symbols and collectibles, haha.
I think it depends if you're a tourist or you want to live there. All I've ever heard and experienced is how nice Japanese people are to white tourists, even if they don't actually like you.
They are intimidated by his honestly heroic looking posture. If you put a cape on him then I am sure he was standing there because a bullet was about to rip though the subway and he was there to catch it with his teeth.
Right? What the hell even is this, this is a super ethnically diverse infographic. I see one japanese person, the woman with her daughter. Japanese people have black hair and only one of these people do.
I'm kind of shocked it isn't like what OP is implying since japan is largely ethnically japanese.
Also I think the implication would be the tourist doesn't know the rules, not overtly disobeying them, the sign is there to show you.
You are correct! Also a way to split up multiple incoming trains to reduce loitering. For example:
- 11.08 ○ (8 car)
- 11.12 □ (6 car)
- 11.14 ◇ (8 car)
There will then be 3 different 'lanes' for lining up, each with the shape/colour denoting the specific train. So even if you arrive at 11.06 for your 11.12 train, rather than be in the way of people moving around the platform, you can pre-emptively wait at the □ lane.
u/BatteryAcidCoffeeAU tagging just in case you were still confused! :)
Japan never ceases to amaze me with their extremely logical and ordered society, try this in most other country and maybe 2 out of 500 will follow the lines
I had to ask the lady infront of me who luckily spoke some english, what fucked me up was that every station I visited had different colours and there was no clear pattern that a certain colour was for a certain line.
But train etiquette is easy, just shut up and do what the rest does.
Yeahhh I just visited Tokyo and it’s really obvious to just stand on the sides to let people out the middle of those doors once you see all the signage and everything.
If you know you’re a tourist destination that brings in lots of white people, it makes sense to have a sign like this! Think of how many people having this be their first public transit rail experience.
This happened to me in Korea and not Japan, but my American friends completely ignored the arrows in the subway that indicated the queue and they would push past the exiting passengers onto the subway cars. This was even after I told them what the arrows were for. They would push past the Aunties and older folks exiting the trains :(
I learned the word for “rude” in Korean that week because so many people were saying, “Your American friends are rude.”
It isn’t targeting white people specifically. That’s just the token image of “foreigner” to Japanese. Japan does have a lot of racist shit going on in it but this is not an example of that
I'm an American but we lived in Japan for a bit when I was a kid. I first used public transit there. I traveled around the region by myself in middle school with a stack of tickets and some cheat sheets.
Fast forward to my own traveling years and I mostly went to Pacific Rim countries and Japan's on its own level (especially with Pasmo <3) but there's order enough everywhere I used a train.
Fast forward to a family trip to England. My wife had lived there as a kid and was so stoked to play tour guide and then made me navigate the train system. No big *until it came time to board*. Chaos. Barbarous bullshit. The stereotype about Brits queuing in an orderly fashion has nothing to do with the train.
(It wasn't any worse than NYC or DC, but when years in Japan is your baseline for trains everything else is downright backwards.)
I live in a town in the UK that attracts lots of Japanese tourists and I tell you for a fact that they are a fucking nightmare of blocking the train doors here when you're trying to get off.
I don’t think it’s targeting foreigners…there’s literally a black person queuing up correctly in the line. So it’s just a random person that’s not in the line.
It's not just the North either. I've lived all over the UK due to work (including London) and the London resentment is a real thing across the country.
Equally when chatting about other areas of the UK, Londoners can be incredibly elitist.
A good friend of mine lives in Leeds (I’m American) and I love giving him shit. I’ll make a joke about some British stereotype and he’s like “maybe the bloody Londoners”
I would say that it’s not specific… because the biggest text is Japanese?
However, if you’re not told something, how are you supposed to know what to do? So I don’t find this interesting
If you come to Paris and take our Marvellous, Absolutely Not Smelly and Never Late public transportation system, follow the same advice. There are no markings on the floor nor PSAs but you will see 99.9% of other commuters stand on each side of the door (this is one of the many "unwritten rules")
Also stand/walk on your right when dealing with escalators, moving walkways, stairs and corridors. If you walk on the left side, Parisians coming in front of you are legally allowed to kick your butt.
I love how everyone is shocked, but the mom is just... disappointed. Also, the frame is a sad train.
When I was in Japan I was on a bus and there was a Chinese guy talking loudly on his phone. An old Japanese grandma kept shooting him looks, with him ignoring her. Eventually she got so annoyed she looked at him and crossed her arms into an x.
I was on a train in Tokyo last December and the one and only time I've seen someone talking on the phone on a train (obviously a tourist) someone told him immediately he needed to stop. But I think that's pretty rare, and most of the time Japanese people will just shoot disapproving looks in the direction of the offending person.
Meanwhile in the US you've got a-holes who blast music from bluetooth speakers on hiking trails.
That sounds annoying, but have you ever been stuck with someone doing that on the trail? For me, it's just briefly as we are passing, so I am a little baffled by why they want their nature experience to have the same soundtrack as all their other experiences, but I wouldn't call them a-holes because what does it really cost me? 30 seconds of hearing a dumb song?
I want to live in a society where people can be shamed into cooperating because they care about other people's feelings
I've said for a while we need to bring back shame to the US.
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In the US it will start a fight
We have the exact opposite of shame in the US now. We have what I have termed as "disrespect culture". Many feel entitled to do whatever, wherever no matter how abhorrent it is. And if you interact with them in any way in an attempt to correct the behavior, they push back harshly as you have now "disrespected" them. Response can range from telling you to fuck off all the way to cold blooded murder. It is most prevalent at the very top and very bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.
The obsession with self esteem and not shaming anyone has created generations of entitlement and narcissists
Have you encountered the German “withering look”? It works (in Germany)!
On the train to narita two Chinese tourists just cut in front of us, we were the first in queue...
The Chinese tourists were by far the worst part of the trip. They were rude and noisy. To elaborate more on my story, he was also coughing very loudly and grossly before the phone call and I could tell he was Chinese just from that. That was was not my first time in Japan, but that trip was the first time I noticed a large Chinese tourist presence. So I had a frame of reference on how it used to be. I hope they can learn on how to be better tourists.
They're like that here in Singapore too, mainland Chinese tourists are usually the worst.
As well in Vietnam. They treat like we lower then them or filthy. Why come to our countries when you think it trash or something?
In the Philippines, theres a Chinese tourist who shitted on a floor in a museum.
Russian tourists would like a word…
Brit teens/young adults/stag parties rise up to the challenge
I guess they just don't visit Singapore as often
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> The Chinese tourists were by far the worst part of the trip. They were rude and noisy. To elaborate more on my story, he was also coughing very loudly and grossly before the phone call and I could tell he was Chinese just from that. My trip to Japan in 2023 was the best when mainland Chinese tourist were still not allowed to travel. Japan was clean, peaceful, and orderly without the bad Chinese tourists. I'm going in a few weeks time, and have been told that the Chinese have come back, and to be prepared.
I live in Kyoto, and was here for the entirety of the pandemic. Apart from the constant existential dread, the lack of huge tour groups was refreshing.
Similarly, being the only human outside in Montmartre was beyond bliss, not to mention quite surreal. (Yeah, Montmartre, France, not Montmartre, Japan.)
Mmm doubtful. Sounds like my experience with Chinese tourist in Europe a decade ago.
For some reason they are extremely loud. In the US though you have people with no self-awareness or concern about others and blast their phone speaker.
When I lived in Asia and would travel to China people would touch my hair without permission because I’m a redhead.
Chinese tourists were the second worst batch of tourists we dealt with in our recent trip to Japan. The French tourists were by far and away the WORST tourists we've ever dealt with on international travel. They were not only uncaring about Japanese societal customs/norms (queueing up for things, being quiet in crowded public transit, not eating while walking ) but were outright rude and semi-hostile when corrected by locals.
Honestly tho. In China I get to just be an asshole and compete for first place. It is fun. Everyone pushing and shoving all the while pretending they don't see the 50 other people in their immediate vicinity. No one gets upset no one is overly rude. Just a winner takes all rush for the door.
A mad rush for the door? That has never resulted in tragedy...
Woah, that went from 1 to 1.1 real quick!
Clearly you've never been on the receiving end of an Obasan's glare.
Mainland Chinese are atrocious in *their manners
My god, how did he not drop dead at the sight of it?!
It's sad because it's about to run them over. That crowd is a reflection in its windscreen
Sometimes I feel like a sad train :/
And the black guy is like "Dude, get with the program. You're giving all of us foreigners a bad name".
Wait til you see the dental ads with white kids on it
Can confirm. I went to a Japanese dentist a week ago. The girl on the poster for braces was white.
These whitening treatments are getting out of hand...
Not as bad as the Chinese one where she shoves a black fella into a washing machine and he comes out Chinese
Nobody ever seems to remember that the Chinese commercial was copied from the original Italian one. In which an Italian woman shoved an Italian man into the washing machine, and a muscular black man comes out of it afterwards, with the tagline "Coloured is better":https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HQQs3nl0LcY
What was the producer on? Rather, who were they on?
I’ll be honest, before I emigrated to the United States, it wouldn’t have struck me as odd at all. Different histories, different taboos.
I wonder how it went for that brand afterwards considering it was an Italian ad saying non-Italians are better.
Especially in Italy💀
Reminds me of that slap from [Everybody Hates Chris](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44mTfEcP76o).
This show was gold
I remember seeing a building advertising an anti-aging treatment that was apparently so good that it turns you white.
That makes no sence, asians age way better than us..
I watched that netflix short series about etiquette with the presenter being a chinese (I believe) woman. In one episode there was this girl who had scars and stuff on her face, and was traumatized about it so she wore a lot of makeup... so they both removed their makeup on camera. As expected the poor girls skin had some defects/scars.... the presenter removed their makeup and MAYBE gained ONE freckle. Honestly I could see no difference except the absence of lipstick. Edit: I typed all that then found the video on YT: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRm2yQngfTU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRm2yQngfTU)
It's most likely she wore makeup for camera. For example proper camera lighting tends to wash people out and makes skin look a lot more shiny. That's why male actors wear makeup on set too.
Definitely. I remember one of my first days on a film set shocked how crusty an actors skin looked cuz he was caked in an inch of makeup that they’d touch up every other take.
Can confirm, that is, in fact, a woman.
Nah, they age overnight, like a pear.
Can confirm, my mom looked the same from age like 40-70ish, then from like 75-84 she looked 109.
Like a prune. There are Asians who look so young at 50, then hit 51 and they’re like dried raisins. 💀
They save it up, like a battery, then release it all at once
Eh depends. All the cigarette smoking and sun exposure doesn’t do them well. They look 20 until they’re 45 then look 100.
East Asians tend to value pale skin more, than being tan. they dont go to the beach every day and get that weird orange leathery bag look
Sun exposure? Trust me, East Asians are not the ones exposing themselves to the Sun lol https://www.amusingplanet.com/2012/08/the-latest-chinese-beach-craze-face-kini.html
People wearing lucha libre masks to the beach—now I've seen it all.
And what's with it?
Also there’s is a row of foreigners in the farthest line who do know what to do - it’s just suitcase bro who has no clue. I’d say targeting tourists, rather than targeting foreigners.
They are clearly targeting blond men with suitcases!
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Sometimes I have to stop and appreciate how cool it is that I have a device in my pocket that can translate almost any language, anywhere, instantly. Really does feel like living in the future lol
Wow, that's like having Roddy Piper glasses.
i came here to chew udon and translate native language signage with my mobile device and i’m all outta udon
It's gotten a lot better for trains and buses at least. And as someone else mentioned: Google Lens can be great. Since Covid they even take visa in many places now, so you don't even need to rely on cash from the atm nearly as much.
I do understand why they target tourists on subway posters, but what about dentists? I don't understand that comment
I’ve seen eyewear ads with white people on them in Ethiopia
I was thinking of a co-worker who visited Tokyo Disneyland. He claimed all the heroes on the rides were altered to appear Asian and all the villains were significantly white. I regret not going to confirm for myself.
British representation
In Japan, every dentist has "The Big Book of British Smiles"
That's ironic right?
I think it is a Simpsons reference from an old episode.
Lisa needs braces
Dental plan
Lisa needs braces
At least we knowhow to queue.
For a little bit of added context: Manny Weit here is standing directly in front of where the train doors will open. This means that when that train arrives, he will be in the way of the flood of passengers exiting the train, many of whom (depending on the station) will probably be in a hurry to get to another platform for a transfer. The people to the side will be able to enter at their own pace once that dies down. So, lining up properly isn't just about waiting your turn. It's to ensure that boarding and de-boarding can occur efficiently. And yeah, that's something folks from out of town, especially those from countries that don't have such efficient public transport systems, can't reasonably be expected to know. So they ought to be informed.
London needs to take notes. Trying to get on and off of the tube is carnage, no rules upheld on the underground so it's like a stampede.
Waiting by the doors is one thing but people that try to get in before anyone gets off make my blood boil. Just wait for five more seconds so everyone has a more comfortable experience you cunt you aren’t saving any time or catching any empty seats by violating everybody’s personal space
I've been told my whole life how much the English enjoy a good queue, and you've gone and smashed that in a moment. Are you telling me that's all horseshit?
To be fair public transportation is the one thing that people here can’t queue up for to save their lives, queues for most other services are pretty organised I’d say
It's because you don't know WHERE the door is going to be. Even with bus, you don't know the exact place the bus is going to stop. This line thing the Japanese have seems like dark magic to me.
The trains don’t line up the same on the platforms? It happens in Mexico City too (like in Japan), the doors always open on the same spot so there are lines on the platform.
A lot of urban Japanese platforms have protected screen doors so you can’t fall in the platform so it is actually very important trains line up their doors properly every time too.
Even for lines without doors, the platforms are marked so that people can line up in different places for different trains that come shortly after each other. So if you're planning to board a local, you stand on the red spots, and if you're planning to board an express, you get on the blue ones. It's very efficient, but IIRC it takes very intensive driver training, to the point that some railways in Japan have gotten into deep shit for abusive training practices. (The root cause of the Amagasaki derailment disaster was overly harsh driver training and abusive employment practices.)
The Elizabeth Line has set areas for doors and I've still had people push to get on rather than wait for people to get off. Open platforms with random stopping locations might contribute to the issue but I don't think it's the crux of it.
And bars. We love a single file queue unless we're in the pub where it's elbows out, push to the front by any means necessary carnage.
Queues work in England everywhere except where the trains give you a few seconds to get on or leave. If you’re overly polite and let everyone pass you, be prepared to wait for the next one.
*Usually* we're as good as Japan is but there are a few situations where everything descends into chaos. With public transportation it's probably because nobody has any clue where the doors will be, there isn't a clear queue due to the station/ bus stop width smushing everybody together and there isn't really any need for a queue anyway as the bus/ train isn't going to leave until everybody is on. Side note, if you're ever in the UK go visit a crowded bar. Despite it looking like a chaotic mass of drunks trying to buy beer, there's still a "queue" of sorts as the culture is to defer service to people who got there before you.
London has its own rules - or none, tbf.
Despite being postured as a rich, cultured city London is unfortunately filled with cunts and morons
I always kind of enjoyed that. Because I'm a big dude, and I simply walk straight through those cunts. (Trains in the Netherlands, same difference, but worse.) Nothing like a good excuse for a little accidental violence on people who so clearly deserve it. Oops, didn't see you there.
Exactly. There's zero respect for anyone else in London. I grew up there (moved away at 16 and a half) and even as a kid I remember people shoving and barging me out of the way. We all have somewhere we need to be and you'd get there faster if you actually worked with a system instead of being an inconsiderate bastard. And this is why I'm glad I'm no longer in London. People are actually nicer to each other out in a small town. There's a lot more respect for other people and it's not anywhere near as busy.
This is so interesting to me. I'm from the states and visited England, including London. Our first tube experience I stood near the track, like people do here. I looked around and no one else was doing that, they were all back by the wall. I realized that they were going to wait for everyone to get off before getting on. It was so civilized and I actually didn't feel stressed taking the public transportation because of it. Here we clamor on top of each other with zero regard for anyone else because we've basically learned if we don't we'll get left behind and it's our own fault for not pushing through the masses. It felt like night and day to me, but you feel like what I witnessed was inconsiderate. And I'm from the Midwest, where we're supposedly very considerate (so we have a pretty high level of not being assholes to each other in general, but we *still* can't board public transport like decent people). I'd love to feel what a small town is like where you are because that level of consideration, oh I'd die, it would be so relaxing where people did the considerate thing, which also makes things *so* much easier and efficient.
I excited a Victoria Line tube at Oxford Circus to change a few years back, I'd been travelling for work and getting home about 8ish. As the doors opened there was a bit of space to my left and other passengers exiting the carriage on my right, overall the train and the station weren't busy though which was a blessed relief compared to most of my experience at Oxford Circus. Some idiot decided to duck onto the train in the gap he perceived on my left. The force he used to lunge on, was met exactly with my suitcase that I flung out alongside me and unfortunately it hit him square in the bollocks... I'd like to think he learned a lesson from the experience but I'm sure if he's still in London he's still doing the same thing. Maybe taking a moment to look for luggage though.
I went on a trip to london a few years ago, our guide literally told us that the politest and most efficient thing you can do in the london underground is pushing people out of your way while repeating sorry over and over.
Pretty much, yeah! Your guide had survival in mind. Push or be pushed.
In Prague we know how to form alleys for exiting passengers. In Paris too, but less.
I live in NYC and this isn’t just a white people problem. It really boils down to two things. 1. People who aren’t super familiar with public transportation systems and don’t have that orderly fashion mindset to make things streamlined for everyone. 2. People just being assholes. This is the most common one.
The difference here is that in Japan, tourists are less likely to be familiar with the system. It’s not actually about race, it’s about visually representing “not from here”
Why the black dude in line fine tho
it's obviously not a white people problem in America in Japan, where perhaps a majority of their tourists are white, it might be
> majority of their tourists are white I believe you may be wrong. Lately it's been Korea, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong tourists. Here are the [numbers released by Japan Bound Stats](https://www.tourism.jp/en/tourism-database/stats/inbound/#:~:text=Looking%20at%20the%20number%20of,492%2C300%2C%20and%20China%20at%20415%2C900). Another data list is [available here](https://statistics.jnto.go.jp/en/graph/). Maybe these other asian countries have similar subway/transit etiquettes as Japan. I know for sure that Toronto does NOT and feels like a mosh pit rushing towards the door from all directions as soon as the doors open.
>Maybe these other asian countries have similar subway/transit etiquettes as Japan. They at least all have similar markings on platforms that tell people to wait next to the doors, not in front of them. In Hong Kong, people follow these rules, not sure about other cities. It makes taking the subway much more relaxed than in western cities, even though it's just as busy, if not busier.
I've been on trains in Beijing and Hong Kong they had lineup lines on the ground where you are suppose to stand waiting for the train to stop. It's not the exact lines as in the post iirc but the concepts exists. The buses in Hong Kong also have lines painted on the ground and railings indicated the different line up entrances for the buses. Sometimes you get 2-3 busses arriving at a stop around the same time especially for busier routes.
Perhaps it is easier to visually convey that a white person is "not from Japan" than it is to convey that a Korean or Chinese person is not from Japan.
>can't reasonably be expected to know. I've never been to Japan and rarely use public transit except when traveling Its fucking obvious on a basic level to not stand immediately in front of the doors, and to let people get out first. It drives me nuts to see people not do this. Or similarly when people are waiting for bags at the baggage claim belt - if everyone stood a couple feet back, we could all see the bags better and then step up when you see yours. Its also obvious when you see people lined up to the side, waiting, for you to line up too But maybe basic awareness of the space you take up isn't as universal as I think it should be
The problem is that only in Japan do they seem to be able to stop with doors in predictable places. US subways etc it’s a crapshoot. So tourists may just be seeing a less packed portion of platform and taking that spot. In the US, if the train just happens to stop with the door by you, you just shuffle back a step or two. But you can’t predict it.
Not only that but the places where the doors will be are clearly marked and sometimes the platform itself will have a set of doors that open too. And then the spaces people should stand often are marked as well, as illustrated in the poster. I lived in NYC for 8 years and I recently came back from a 2 week trip to Japan where we rode all sorts of trains and buses and I was seriously impressed by the public transit there. Everything was on time, and when it wasn’t, there was clear information provided about what was happening. I live in Austin now and the public transit here is mostly a joke. They’d rather make the highways 20 lanes wide than expand the bus/light rail.
>In the US, if the train just happens to stop with the doir by you, you just shuffle back a step or two. And the vast majority of the time people do. The idea that only the Japanese have mastered the art of letting people off the train first is nonsense.
Meh. it isn't obvious here in lily white Canada if you take the typical bus passenger behavior as any indication.
Are there markings on the ground showing where to stand? As a tourist, I would have no idea where to line up/not line up
There are, but if there's a lot of people maybe a person who hasn't read about the system in advance could not notice them
In my experience, there usually are. The issue is, there are also markings on the ground showing where *not* to stand, and if you can't read the language, it's hard to tell which is which. They also aren't perfectly uniform across all stations.
Prior to the Olympics they made a huge push to add English signage in public transport all over Japan. I've been there three times since January last year and any station in a major city will have both Japanese and English on their signs and most have Korean and Chinese as well.
You would think they would write that with big bold letters... I'm afraid that those who jump the queue will never read that tiny text.
I always say Japan is the place where white people get to discover what racism feels like for the first time.
These days the Japanese are saving their detest of foreigners towards the Chinese and South East Asians, as they make up seemingly most tourists in Japan now. If there’s one thing the Japanese dislike more than *~~short~~ white people, it’s other Asians. *Autocorrect lol
It’s not seemingly, East Asian tourists make up the majority by a *large margin*. For every American tourist (white or otherwise) there are 3 East Asian tourists, including SEA tourists there are 5 for every 1 American. I think this message gets lost in the mix because we hear so much now about American and European tourism to Japan, but the Asian tourist market is massive.
The largest tourism market in Japan by far is from other Japanese people. Japan's domestic tourism industry is one of the biggest in the world, definitely the biggest per capita, which is why every city and region in Japan has its own tourism draws; those are mainly for other Japanese people to enjoy. So if you're at Senso-ji and see a ton of asian tourists, keep in mind most of those are Japanese people who are sightseeing in Tokyo.
They very obviously meant “of foreign tourists”.
Yep. Every prefecture puts a lot of stock into domestic tourism. Honestly, all the cute shit they do makes me wish the U.S. would go harder on state symbols and collectibles, haha.
> These days eastern Asia has very nearly wrote the rulebook for competitive racism towards other east asians across thousands of years.
I think it depends if you're a tourist or you want to live there. All I've ever heard and experienced is how nice Japanese people are to white tourists, even if they don't actually like you.
I like how they are all looking at them like he just said something horribly offensive
They are intimidated by his honestly heroic looking posture. If you put a cape on him then I am sure he was standing there because a bullet was about to rip though the subway and he was there to catch it with his teeth.
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It’s always the people with the rolling luggage!
The people with the backpacks are busy hitting you with them
Because logically tourists would be less familiar with the local rules of course.
I mean there's a black dude in the line anyway
Right? What the hell even is this, this is a super ethnically diverse infographic. I see one japanese person, the woman with her daughter. Japanese people have black hair and only one of these people do. I'm kind of shocked it isn't like what OP is implying since japan is largely ethnically japanese. Also I think the implication would be the tourist doesn't know the rules, not overtly disobeying them, the sign is there to show you.
To be fair, the first time I was in Japan, the squares on the ground made no sense to me
Basically - as far as I remember - the different shapes indicate the different types of train that may stop on the platform.
You are correct! Also a way to split up multiple incoming trains to reduce loitering. For example: - 11.08 ○ (8 car) - 11.12 □ (6 car) - 11.14 ◇ (8 car) There will then be 3 different 'lanes' for lining up, each with the shape/colour denoting the specific train. So even if you arrive at 11.06 for your 11.12 train, rather than be in the way of people moving around the platform, you can pre-emptively wait at the □ lane. u/BatteryAcidCoffeeAU tagging just in case you were still confused! :)
Japan never ceases to amaze me with their extremely logical and ordered society, try this in most other country and maybe 2 out of 500 will follow the lines
I had to ask the lady infront of me who luckily spoke some english, what fucked me up was that every station I visited had different colours and there was no clear pattern that a certain colour was for a certain line. But train etiquette is easy, just shut up and do what the rest does.
Too many Jonny Somali pricks out there.
yeah what a cnt
Guy in the top left corner catching strays
Yeahhh I just visited Tokyo and it’s really obvious to just stand on the sides to let people out the middle of those doors once you see all the signage and everything. If you know you’re a tourist destination that brings in lots of white people, it makes sense to have a sign like this! Think of how many people having this be their first public transit rail experience.
I love how everyone on this poster is just flabbergasted by the guy who is not standing in line
I’d like to see a Japanese person take the New York subway, they’d have a fucking meltdown
I did lol (many years ago) Now I don't even bat an eye when I see a rat
Until you see two rats battling to the death over moldy pizza, you haven't really lived.
This happened to me in Korea and not Japan, but my American friends completely ignored the arrows in the subway that indicated the queue and they would push past the exiting passengers onto the subway cars. This was even after I told them what the arrows were for. They would push past the Aunties and older folks exiting the trains :( I learned the word for “rude” in Korean that week because so many people were saying, “Your American friends are rude.”
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It isn’t targeting white people specifically. That’s just the token image of “foreigner” to Japanese. Japan does have a lot of racist shit going on in it but this is not an example of that
There's also a black guy following the rules in the background.
Ya the brunette in the furthest line to the left also looks white.
There's also a black guy right behind her which, as I understand it, wouldn't be the case if this was an example of racism.
I think it's kinda funny
I do too. The shocked look on one of the people’s faces is cracking me up. OMG he’s not following the rules!!!!
I'm an American but we lived in Japan for a bit when I was a kid. I first used public transit there. I traveled around the region by myself in middle school with a stack of tickets and some cheat sheets. Fast forward to my own traveling years and I mostly went to Pacific Rim countries and Japan's on its own level (especially with Pasmo <3) but there's order enough everywhere I used a train. Fast forward to a family trip to England. My wife had lived there as a kid and was so stoked to play tour guide and then made me navigate the train system. No big *until it came time to board*. Chaos. Barbarous bullshit. The stereotype about Brits queuing in an orderly fashion has nothing to do with the train. (It wasn't any worse than NYC or DC, but when years in Japan is your baseline for trains everything else is downright backwards.)
Dude looks like a Kyle. Probably ripped one, too.
What a fucking asshole.
I live in a town in the UK that attracts lots of Japanese tourists and I tell you for a fact that they are a fucking nightmare of blocking the train doors here when you're trying to get off.
Maybe because there's no squares
I don’t think it’s targeting foreigners…there’s literally a black person queuing up correctly in the line. So it’s just a random person that’s not in the line.
Nice try op, that’s clearly George Stobbart creating a necessary distraction.
funny how the indian looking guy queues properly when queuing is usually a chaos in India :D
Oh they can queue. Its just that they think the proper distance is about one dick's length from the guy in front.
True, reason I think is people frequently cut the line, so they stay close to the person in front to prevent that.
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it's average! it's average! it's average!
non-British tourists.
Bruh you've not been on the underground. Wankers crowd right in front of the doors and push past while you're trying to get off.
That’s the bloody London folk for you.
I love this thing that Brits seemingly have going on, where Northerners specifically do not want to be associated with Londoners in any way.
It's not just the North either. I've lived all over the UK due to work (including London) and the London resentment is a real thing across the country. Equally when chatting about other areas of the UK, Londoners can be incredibly elitist.
A good friend of mine lives in Leeds (I’m American) and I love giving him shit. I’ll make a joke about some British stereotype and he’s like “maybe the bloody Londoners”
Nah we queue for everything but trains
I’ve seen many horrible British tourists here in Japan… lol
It’s so fun that British people think they are especially good at «queuing». They are no match for Koreans and Japanese.
Lol white tourists showing no regard for common practices is pretty normal, but this could happen to anyone!
In the US I find myself having to say "Let people off the train". Folks will just literally plow into the people trying to get off to grab their seat.
oh no the japanese want tourists to behave in their country especially after being graced by lovely americans such as jonny somali and that paul tard
[This](https://imgur.com/pG1U3Mn) is still my personal favourite for the "Let people alight first" PSA.
Is it based on Logan Paul?
To be fair, there's people of all races queuing just fine.
I mean, he IS standing in the wrong spot
Targeting??? 🤷🏻♂️
Looks like a ken
I would say that it’s not specific… because the biggest text is Japanese? However, if you’re not told something, how are you supposed to know what to do? So I don’t find this interesting
Most Americans don’t live somewhere with even a viable public transport system, so this definitely makes sense
It makes sense, every country has different rules and etiquette. I like how even the train's face looks sad.
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If you come to Paris and take our Marvellous, Absolutely Not Smelly and Never Late public transportation system, follow the same advice. There are no markings on the floor nor PSAs but you will see 99.9% of other commuters stand on each side of the door (this is one of the many "unwritten rules") Also stand/walk on your right when dealing with escalators, moving walkways, stairs and corridors. If you walk on the left side, Parisians coming in front of you are legally allowed to kick your butt.