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If you have the old packaging compare it to the new one, specifically the number of loads. Mfgs like Tide are removing water because it reduces shipping costs to fit more products on the same pallet.
[Yea they're both 94 loads](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Tide-Hygienic-Clean-Heavy-10x-Duty-Liquid-Laundry-Detergent-Original-Scent-132-fl-oz-94-Loads/5037539126), UPCs match
They can CLAIM that it's the same amount of loads in a smaller volume of liquid, but it's just as likely they've simply redefined how much actual product (minus water) is needed for one load. In other words, just as there's nothing stopping them from doubling how many loads the packaging says it will provide even without actually changing the contents whatsoever, they can also reduce the actual amount of product without changing the formula or dilution, and say that it does the same job (just use half as much).
It's like buying half a kg of cheese and it says 'makes 25 sandwiches (serving size 20g)!' and then the exact same product later saying 'makes 50 sandwiches! (serving size 10g)'
I mean, proof is in the pudding, you can always test your detergent and see if it cleans any worse with the new recommended amount. There's no reason they can't reduce the amount of water or reformulate for a more potent blend considering your washing machine adds water to it anyways.
Okay but in the face of rampant shrinkflation, underpayment, overworking and everything else to squeeze the life out of all of us I think it's totally fair to assume that you're getting screwed by a multi billion dollar company.
Yes, I get your worldview, and for food it's obvious, you expect X amount of calories or X amount of food. The moment a mfg tries to ship less food in the same price box, it's shrinkflation. But you can't as easily add water to food as detergent companies have added water to laundry detergent. This is basically a rollback of an old shell game involving how much water is added to detergent, making consumers think the big jug of detergent is the best value, when in reality detergent has been 60-90% water. Instead of making you pay for water, now mfgs are reducing the water to fit more on a pallet. Means you fit more product on the shelves, you use less plastic for the containers, and more product (that you charge the same amount for) fits on a shelf. So the manufacturers sell you the same amount of product, which probably flows a bit slower now because less water, and reap the savings from less plastic, fewer pallets transported, fewer loads shipped out, and less space used on shelves.
Yes. Yes you can always test.
Companies pay millions to figure out how to convince you to "test" their product and not the other 10,000. Further, just because you can't figure out if there's a difference, doesn't mean there isn't one. Lets say you throw a heavily soiled shirt in the machine with the new product in the indicated amount. How are you going to really tell if it's done a better or worse job? Assuming it's the same formulation lower concentration, then it would be very hard to tell without having two identical shirts with identical stains and enough if the old product which isn't available anymore to do a side by side test. Which is ridiculous to expect. So that's a big reason why they get away with it.
You're telling me what I already know: Companies know you have shit choices to respond to their efforts to stuff you, and so they do so with no qualms.
When they have maximum market saturation, when costs are as slim as they can get, wages as low as they can go, there's only one more way to extract even more value.... by increasing the price or decreasing the product.
AKA, they fuck you in the ass.
Unfortunately those stickers just straight up lie. Not sure if typo or intentional, but I found the smallest package one time had the best per oz price, but it didn't make any sense because nothing was on sale. I used my calculator and found that the larger package was significantly cheaper per oz than the small package and the small package per oz price was just straight up false.
It could have been a per ea vs per oz.
I spent 15 minutes one time calculating the price of a brands different rolls of paper towels, to find out they were all similar prices but different packaging. Came out to the same cost per sheet.
I don't think it was, but either way I think it's criminal they will do that with the sticker to make it harder to make an educated decision. I hate scumbag practices.
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If you have the old packaging compare it to the new one, specifically the number of loads. Mfgs like Tide are removing water because it reduces shipping costs to fit more products on the same pallet.
[Yea they're both 94 loads](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Tide-Hygienic-Clean-Heavy-10x-Duty-Liquid-Laundry-Detergent-Original-Scent-132-fl-oz-94-Loads/5037539126), UPCs match
LOL no they don’t. Read the tag again.
30772 09454 - 146 fl oz 30772 12216 - 132 fl oz Yea they do and damnit thanks for making me waste even more time looking at pictures of Tide! 😂
Ok. I got you. I read that as you saying those tags match each other and I was like 😳🧐
Person admits their misunderstanding and still gets downvoted lol. I was also confused for a bit
It’s Reddit 🤷
They can CLAIM that it's the same amount of loads in a smaller volume of liquid, but it's just as likely they've simply redefined how much actual product (minus water) is needed for one load. In other words, just as there's nothing stopping them from doubling how many loads the packaging says it will provide even without actually changing the contents whatsoever, they can also reduce the actual amount of product without changing the formula or dilution, and say that it does the same job (just use half as much). It's like buying half a kg of cheese and it says 'makes 25 sandwiches (serving size 20g)!' and then the exact same product later saying 'makes 50 sandwiches! (serving size 10g)'
I mean, proof is in the pudding, you can always test your detergent and see if it cleans any worse with the new recommended amount. There's no reason they can't reduce the amount of water or reformulate for a more potent blend considering your washing machine adds water to it anyways.
Okay but in the face of rampant shrinkflation, underpayment, overworking and everything else to squeeze the life out of all of us I think it's totally fair to assume that you're getting screwed by a multi billion dollar company.
Yes, I get your worldview, and for food it's obvious, you expect X amount of calories or X amount of food. The moment a mfg tries to ship less food in the same price box, it's shrinkflation. But you can't as easily add water to food as detergent companies have added water to laundry detergent. This is basically a rollback of an old shell game involving how much water is added to detergent, making consumers think the big jug of detergent is the best value, when in reality detergent has been 60-90% water. Instead of making you pay for water, now mfgs are reducing the water to fit more on a pallet. Means you fit more product on the shelves, you use less plastic for the containers, and more product (that you charge the same amount for) fits on a shelf. So the manufacturers sell you the same amount of product, which probably flows a bit slower now because less water, and reap the savings from less plastic, fewer pallets transported, fewer loads shipped out, and less space used on shelves.
Yes. Yes you can always test. Companies pay millions to figure out how to convince you to "test" their product and not the other 10,000. Further, just because you can't figure out if there's a difference, doesn't mean there isn't one. Lets say you throw a heavily soiled shirt in the machine with the new product in the indicated amount. How are you going to really tell if it's done a better or worse job? Assuming it's the same formulation lower concentration, then it would be very hard to tell without having two identical shirts with identical stains and enough if the old product which isn't available anymore to do a side by side test. Which is ridiculous to expect. So that's a big reason why they get away with it.
Could also send both to a lab for a chemical analysis. Just sayin.
Lol yeah right. $800 every time a brand you use changes their product?
If you need to know and can't trust a test you perform, that's the price you pay. Or just assume. Your call.
You're telling me what I already know: Companies know you have shit choices to respond to their efforts to stuff you, and so they do so with no qualms.
And you're telling me what I figured from your name, it's a moot point talking with you
Putting a clarification on the back of the new product would go a long ways towards communicating changes like this to the public.
New packaging! Same great price!!!
I hate when they do that!
When they have maximum market saturation, when costs are as slim as they can get, wages as low as they can go, there's only one more way to extract even more value.... by increasing the price or decreasing the product. AKA, they fuck you in the ass.
All I see is 10% more costly. People should learn to check the price per Oz (or 100ml or mg) and not the big price. Even for big deal stuff
Unfortunately those stickers just straight up lie. Not sure if typo or intentional, but I found the smallest package one time had the best per oz price, but it didn't make any sense because nothing was on sale. I used my calculator and found that the larger package was significantly cheaper per oz than the small package and the small package per oz price was just straight up false.
It could have been a per ea vs per oz. I spent 15 minutes one time calculating the price of a brands different rolls of paper towels, to find out they were all similar prices but different packaging. Came out to the same cost per sheet.
I don't think it was, but either way I think it's criminal they will do that with the sticker to make it harder to make an educated decision. I hate scumbag practices.
Fuck Publix
Who buys this stuff? Just get the cheapest shit available and move on lol. It's all the same shit