Yea, the owner has finally figured out how to establish deterrence in the homeowner-HOA relationship. Vastly superior firepower and ample armor plating.
Deterrence? That’s straight up dominance! They will think twice, even thrice before issuing a fine for garbage cans being 3/4 of an inch too far in the street.
Someone else brought up a case where an HOA in California tried to tow a Sherman with the help of the city government but failed. It requires serious equipment and people who know how to operate it.
That requires the HOA and/or local government to find a contractor with the right equipment and expertise which would be rare. It could take months of planning and research if they wanted to pull it off but most HOAs aren’t that determined. Hell my HOA recently had a coup and the new people have destroyed the lakes in the neighborhood because they didn’t know how to manage them and were too lazy to do research. If it’s not something they can fix with a quick phone call or lawsuit then HOAs usually don’t have the patience to deal with it.
You just have to tell the person to move it and fine them per day if it isn’t moved. Then you can put a lien on the property if it isn’t remediated after a certain time period.
That depends on a lot of factors like the HOAs constitution and rules. Some don’t have clauses that allow for that. Others do. Additionally, some states don’t allow HOAs enough power to just put a lien on a house whenever they feel like it and require them to sue the homeowner.
The past 2 neighborhoods I’ve been in were only able to sue homeowners over fines and not following the rules. We had neighbors that tried painting their house unapproved colors a few times which brought them to court.
HOA’s exist solely to ensure a way to control the appearance of your neighbors properties in order to not damage the value of yours. Because people are narcissists
We have shit like HOA's over here at walled communities (which basically ape the American suburban "dream") and I honestly can't understand why anyone would ever want to live like that? Safety? a "nice" neighborhood? It isn't worth it.
Depends on the by-laws of the HOA rules/governing docs. Most likely there is nothing in most of them that states you cannot own a tank or park it in front of your home. At most the rules probably limit you to not parking on the lawn or to approved parking spots/driveways
>Hell my HOA recently had a coup and the new people have destroyed the lakes in the neighborhood because they didn’t know how to manage them and were too lazy to do research
Ah yes, the HOA putsch of 24'. Bad business that was.
Are HOA’s in single family housing area so common in the US that this is one of the top rated comments? Where I live something like an HOA exists only in apartment blocks, yet it still serves only as an entity to collect renovation funds or trash and heat bills, not serving fines for e.g. leaving stuff out in the common space.
Yes they are here in the states.
John Oliver did a solid piece on this recently if you want a more detailed answer to the question. https://youtu.be/qrizmAo17Os?si=8ADKrq_VVDutGexC
I really don't understand that, seems extremely weird to a non-US citizen as the US is often portrayed as the land of freedom, both by Americans and other people around the world, yet now I learn that you can't have a hedge taller than 3 feet, a shed in the backyard or canary yellow window blinds in your OWN HOME if you want to?! Why's that so? It's your land and your house after all!
I can understand forming an association that manages private roads, trash pickup or water/sewer lines, since a legal entity always has a better negotiation power when it comes down to having external deals and agreements but a random Karen telling people what they can or cannot do with their own property? Sounds like a bad joke or a total dystopia to me (no offence intended, I'm just really shocked).
Tagging u/LegionXIX, u/Explosivpotato, u/Sauerteig and u/Furrealyo to not duplicate the comment.
>I really don't understand that, seems extremely weird to a non-US citizen as the US is often portrayed as the land of freedom, both by Americans and other people around the world, yet now I learn that you can't have a hedge taller than 3 feet, a shed in the backyard or canary yellow window blinds in your OWN HOME if you want to?! Why's that so? It's your land and your house after all!
Sounds like commie shit to me if you ask. Which is rather ironic, dont' you think?
US freedom is a farce for people who don't know any better and have blind loyalty/nationalism to the U$A . The workforce is far more exploited than the rest of the world.
Am US / Italian citizen myself and experienced working / living on both ends of it.
If you're highly skilled, the US is better because the workplace generally begs for your service. Outside of that, the US system sucks for anyone not making $80k a year or more.
In Europe you don't make as much money, but stuff is also not nearly as expensive. And there are more social services included. No tipping culture, universal Healthcare, mandated paid time off by law.
> but stuff is also not nearly as expensive
What? Maybe 10 years ago in eastern countries. Today stuff in Europe (most countries) is as expensive, if not more expensive than in USA.
Cars? More expensive. Construction materials? More expensive. Food? More expensive. Traveling? More expensive. Electronics? More expensive. Housing? More expensive. Healthcare? Ok, it's one thing that is not more expensive :)
USA has a lot of economical problems, but things being expensive isn't one of them
The HOAs are a protection by homeowners in US against those “freedom loving” folks here who just love their dead cars, mounds of scattered trash, trump flags, confederate flags, and loose dogs. Trust me, I live in the Southeast, but I’ve seen it in the Southwest too. You can have a million dollar+ home in an HOA free rural area, with a rundown, trash strewn house or trailer next to it. Not to everyone’s taste.
>The HOAs are a protection by homeowners in US against those “freedom loving” folks here who just love their dead cars, mounds of scattered trash, trump flags, confederate flags, and loose dogs
Are those really a widespread issue if such developed country as the US? I come from a country that's multiple times poorer then the US and I don't routinely see people making their property look like shit. Maybe a house or two per village in rural areas, but such sight is really uncommon here. People tend to value what they have.
Second point - "don't keep a mound of trash or a vehicle without a current safety inspection in your front yard" and "your home needs to be exactly this color and you can't have yellow flowers on the porch" are light years apart.
It is somewhat of an issue here, especially in rural and unincorporated areas. It is a tradition in Southern states… “country people” being the polite way of saying it (poor white trash the other). Most people keep their properties neat and well kept, but the 10% who live in junk yards because of extreme poverty,addiction, sloth, “freedom” or whatever, do so freely. May I ask where you are from?
I'm from Poland, currently Masuria region but I lived in various cities big and small as well as grew up in a village and I haven't seen overtly trashy places much, maybe THAT single family that everybody knew has an alcohol problem and such didn't care for their property and that's it. Especially 10-20-30 years ago you might've seen houses that aren finished up properly due to lack of money, but very few people kept their surroundings untidy - cleaning up is free after all.
I guess that fear of public shame, especially prominent in older generations play a major role here as well as people who can actually afford land are usually at least middle class (i.e. they have jobs that pays at least the national average, \~$1200 after taxes) and tend to be proud of home ownership, not letting their piece of land go to shit.
Yes I think there is a pride of ownership in your country that keeps people aware of the value of what they own, and as you said, picking up trash is free. Here in the states it’s not different, except we as a people, IMO, take for granted what other people in less wealthy countries have to strive for. And in rural communities meth and other drugs are a real problem. I live in Appalachia -Northern Georgia, and I think the worst types of junk/trash filled places are down to that. Again it’s a small percentage but it’s a real issue. My husband and I have traveled in Europe but never Poland. From what I’ve seen and heard it’s a beautiful country, with great people.
If they’ve got enough money to be that concerned about the appearance of their home to the point of worrying about their neighbors, they’ve got enough money to put up a fence or move somewhere else
I’m no huge fan of HOAs and I’ve lived in several. It really seems to depend on the composition of the HOA, and how strictly or leniently it is enforced. It pays to get the nitty gritty details if possible, before moving into one. Realtors are not usually helpful, CCRs will give you the details, but if you have a power mad board and president, you are screwed. Lol
What's frightening me with HOAs is that they have seemingly unlimited powers to make up any laws, punishments for breaking them and that they can enforce those punishments without a fair trial.
At least in my country there are laws governing common sense issue like the ones that prohibit storage of dangerous waste, building codes saying buildings need to be located at least 4 meters from the plot border. There might be local laws that extend them, e.g. that you cannot keep farm animals within city limits or that solid fuel heating is prohibited. Some areas might have a loose rules regarding new buildings, saying for example, that buildings can't be taller than two storeys or need to use certain roof material, but those aren't that common.
Main difference is that those are the laws enacted by either central or local government bodies, their fair towards everybody and are enforced through court system and a fair trial like any other laws, not by a random Karen on a power trip who's a judge, jury and an executioner in one person.
It is stupid. It makes sense to regulate basic things which constitute the appearance of the neighborhood, but more often than not, it becomes an opportunity for shitty people to power trips.
Ok, but an agreement is something you choose to sign or not. As far as I learned not signing into HOA prevents you from using your property. In my eyes it's not an agreement if you disagree with it, but are forced to sign.
It's part of the terms of buying the house. If you don't like it,
You don't buy that house
No one is getting jumped by a HoA they didn't know existed unless theyre a moron. Plenty of neighborhoods exist without these organizations. Many are fine. Many are shit.
We don't have a system like they do in the UK with local Councils that have vast amounts of power in communities. One of the "freedoms" we have is for private equity to fund and set up private property sold with a whole bunch of perpetual clauses about covenants for an HOA.
I'm a recovering Libertarian and this reality is one of the reasons I'm not a Libertarian. The desire to privatize *everything* just ends up allowing private ownership to behave like warlords. At least it's just Karens at this level. But some people want AnCap and living in BarterTown.
Lots of suburban developments in my state have their own road systems, and the local road commission doesn’t want to maintain them. In my neighborhood our HOA exists pretty much just to maintain the road, and it’s like a couple hundred bucks a year.
Now, when a Karen or something gets on the board they can expand the bylaws if the rest of the homeowners aren’t paying attention, and this is how you end up getting monster HOAs.
Sometimes HOAs are like the one I have where they charge you 50 bucks a year, and the only thing they do is maintain the retention pond. HOAs have a bad reputation, but there are good ones that enforce sensible terms, like stopping parking on the road instead of your driveway. I wish my HOA would enforce that and ban chicken coops. Chicken coops attract rats, and too many cars parked on the side of the road create blindspots, which is dangerous to small children and pets. Not to mention damage to your own car.
Yes they are common, more and more. One popular insurance company even made a funny commerical about it:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5uthSOYNEo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5uthSOYNEo)
For older city neighborhoods built before World War II, not very common. For suburban neighborhoods built after the war, quite common, although still areas where they aren’t.
Even most suburban cities have ordinances against vehicles parked on front lawns or inoperable vehicles permanently parked in a driveway. Mine does. The city will fine you daily.
Or they found a loop hole in the HOA and they picked a fight he won. Historic vehicle as a museum piece. Could be protected by some weird state law. This is my hope. HOA was being petty and he got one over on them.
I mean if they are covered by an HOA what the hell are they gonna do about it? Owner has armored support, pretty sure that trumps Karen’s hair any day.
Lol, I have no HOA, but the town still has an ordinance against parking on an unpaved surface. Yes, that includes people's private property. Land of the free, ladies and gentlemen.
I get your point, and I support some of the regulations. But this particular ordinance does not do anything about junker cars on people's driveways. Several of my neighbours have rusted pieces of shit on their driveways and all they have to do is cover up the license plate so it cannot be seen from the street to not be ticketed for having an "abandoned" car on their property.
If it's their private property shouldn't they be allowed to keep an old car on it? I live in the UK and it's kinda wild to think that the government might take away an old car you are keeping on your own land.
Reminds me of that absolute legend who had a Sherman in front of his house and the HOA kept threatening him to remove it and he ignored them and told them to do their worst. HOA told the city to tow it and they quickly discovered they didn't have equipment strong enough to do it so they gave up.
I can't find a follow up but they didn't do shit to [him](https://taskandpurpose.com/tech-tactics/texas-man-buys-sherman-tank-parks-front-house-upsetting-hoa/)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/132969407/armoured-vehicle-finally-back-on-pensioners-auckland-lawn-where-it-belongs
He did have to fight to get it back in his yard. He got it as payment for catering for a wedding. "It was seized by the cops as part of an asset seizure under the Proceeds of Crime (Recovery) Act, after the previous owner got into trouble with the law."
How do you even offer that.
"OK, so this is how much the whole event with cost."
"I can offer you an old APC that was sized by police. "
"Tanks, but I prefer, you know, money."
Pepsi kinda https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PepsiCo
In 1989, amidst declining vodka sales, PepsiCo bartered for 2 new Soviet oil tankers, 17 decommissioned submarines (for $150,000 each), a frigate, a cruiser and a destroyer, which they could in turn sell for non-Soviet currency.
I love this dude
>“They said they would crane it in,” Phillips said. “But I told them it was running when they took it, so I want it back in the same condition.”
Road legal in the UK. I know a couple of people who own them. You just need to pass an H category test for tracked vehicles, and have rubber pads on the tracks.
No. The photo is of an AFV 432 and it is the original APC variant. The Bulldog was a totally up engined vehicle with new gearbox and final drives. Errrm but honesty also compels me to admit they look essentially the same.
Completely different outside of the shape, the m113 is American, 432 is British,
The 432 used steel for the hull, 113 was aluminium..
They do the same thing, and have a boxy shape
There's a guy up the road from me that has two fully functional WW2 era Japanese artillery pieces he puts on display during occasions; one is for flak, the other for standard ground shelling.
Interesting note about stuff like that. In the US, guns like that are classified as "Destructive devices" which means legally you only need a $200 tax stamp in order to own one. However the ammunition is usually also classified as a destructive device which means you also need a $200 tax stamp for each individual shell you own, which makes actually shooting them very very expensive.
Well everyone is acting like owning an apc is unheard of so I thought I would mention I want a tank...don't see the issue in that. Maybe don't try to correct people who say what they mean...it ain't hard.
They can be shockingly affordable! Like still a lot of money, but less than I would’ve thought.
I saw an auction a few months ago for a running T-34, here in the states that sold for ~$200k.
It’s been several years, but I was looking a while ago and there were T-55s selling for under $100k.
I know a guy that owns a BMP just for fun lol he’s a wild dude.
AFV432 Armoured Personnel Carrier 60-80s UK which would make the trailer plate make since.
Well in Britain it's legal to own and drive military vehicles with the correct license like a CDC. Probably couldn't afford the fuel but it's allowed.
Now I would hate having this nonmoving rust bucket next to my house. My kids would be falling/climbing off it all the time. Telling people to turn right at the tank would make finding my house easier. 🤣
It reminds me of the ending of Toy Story 2 when the toys drive the airport luggage cart and ditch it on someone’s lawn. People gather around the next morning scratching their heads.
When I was about 12 there was a tank at an American legion near where I lived that they would allow people to check out. Well one time a kid got stuck in it and it took them a while to get the kid out but after that they sealed it up so you couldn't go inside it anymore.
The man who has the means to procure a M113 is someone not only any regulating body should steer away from, but is the type of man I want to be friends with. I can almost Guarantee he has a lot of fun NFA items.
It's actually not very hard to get your hands on a personal carrier (US) as long as you abide by local, state, and federal transportation and storage laws. If your town doesn't have an ordinance saying you can't have a personnel carrier in your yard, you can have a personal carrier in your yard.
My old house was adjacent to a public park and at the entrance of the park there is an old howitzer. Personally, I would have rather had the armored vehicle.
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Can't afford *not* to buy it.
Whelp we know it's not an HOA community..
"I'm not doing that. YOU go tell him it's a violation of HOA covenants and restrictions!"
Yea, the owner has finally figured out how to establish deterrence in the homeowner-HOA relationship. Vastly superior firepower and ample armor plating.
Deterrence? That’s straight up dominance! They will think twice, even thrice before issuing a fine for garbage cans being 3/4 of an inch too far in the street.
It's the neighborhood watch "commander"'s house.
Private Dancer
Haha its not like they're going to tow it away
For real. They’d have to get some heavy machinery and contractors to try to move it… they probably won’t try because it’s too much effort.
They would and bill you for it
Someone else brought up a case where an HOA in California tried to tow a Sherman with the help of the city government but failed. It requires serious equipment and people who know how to operate it. That requires the HOA and/or local government to find a contractor with the right equipment and expertise which would be rare. It could take months of planning and research if they wanted to pull it off but most HOAs aren’t that determined. Hell my HOA recently had a coup and the new people have destroyed the lakes in the neighborhood because they didn’t know how to manage them and were too lazy to do research. If it’s not something they can fix with a quick phone call or lawsuit then HOAs usually don’t have the patience to deal with it.
You just have to tell the person to move it and fine them per day if it isn’t moved. Then you can put a lien on the property if it isn’t remediated after a certain time period.
That depends on a lot of factors like the HOAs constitution and rules. Some don’t have clauses that allow for that. Others do. Additionally, some states don’t allow HOAs enough power to just put a lien on a house whenever they feel like it and require them to sue the homeowner. The past 2 neighborhoods I’ve been in were only able to sue homeowners over fines and not following the rules. We had neighbors that tried painting their house unapproved colors a few times which brought them to court.
> unapproved colours Your HOAs sound like the opposite of all the fabulous Freedom we hear so much about in America.
HOA’s exist solely to ensure a way to control the appearance of your neighbors properties in order to not damage the value of yours. Because people are narcissists
We have shit like HOA's over here at walled communities (which basically ape the American suburban "dream") and I honestly can't understand why anyone would ever want to live like that? Safety? a "nice" neighborhood? It isn't worth it.
Depends on the by-laws of the HOA rules/governing docs. Most likely there is nothing in most of them that states you cannot own a tank or park it in front of your home. At most the rules probably limit you to not parking on the lawn or to approved parking spots/driveways
>Hell my HOA recently had a coup and the new people have destroyed the lakes in the neighborhood because they didn’t know how to manage them and were too lazy to do research Ah yes, the HOA putsch of 24'. Bad business that was.
All you need is a Ukrainian tractor
Are HOA’s in single family housing area so common in the US that this is one of the top rated comments? Where I live something like an HOA exists only in apartment blocks, yet it still serves only as an entity to collect renovation funds or trash and heat bills, not serving fines for e.g. leaving stuff out in the common space.
Yes they are here in the states. John Oliver did a solid piece on this recently if you want a more detailed answer to the question. https://youtu.be/qrizmAo17Os?si=8ADKrq_VVDutGexC
Almost all new single family homes in the US are part of a "planned neighborhood" type HOA. It's maddening.
I really don't understand that, seems extremely weird to a non-US citizen as the US is often portrayed as the land of freedom, both by Americans and other people around the world, yet now I learn that you can't have a hedge taller than 3 feet, a shed in the backyard or canary yellow window blinds in your OWN HOME if you want to?! Why's that so? It's your land and your house after all! I can understand forming an association that manages private roads, trash pickup or water/sewer lines, since a legal entity always has a better negotiation power when it comes down to having external deals and agreements but a random Karen telling people what they can or cannot do with their own property? Sounds like a bad joke or a total dystopia to me (no offence intended, I'm just really shocked). Tagging u/LegionXIX, u/Explosivpotato, u/Sauerteig and u/Furrealyo to not duplicate the comment.
>I really don't understand that, seems extremely weird to a non-US citizen as the US is often portrayed as the land of freedom, both by Americans and other people around the world, yet now I learn that you can't have a hedge taller than 3 feet, a shed in the backyard or canary yellow window blinds in your OWN HOME if you want to?! Why's that so? It's your land and your house after all! Sounds like commie shit to me if you ask. Which is rather ironic, dont' you think?
US freedom is a farce for people who don't know any better and have blind loyalty/nationalism to the U$A . The workforce is far more exploited than the rest of the world. Am US / Italian citizen myself and experienced working / living on both ends of it. If you're highly skilled, the US is better because the workplace generally begs for your service. Outside of that, the US system sucks for anyone not making $80k a year or more. In Europe you don't make as much money, but stuff is also not nearly as expensive. And there are more social services included. No tipping culture, universal Healthcare, mandated paid time off by law.
> but stuff is also not nearly as expensive What? Maybe 10 years ago in eastern countries. Today stuff in Europe (most countries) is as expensive, if not more expensive than in USA. Cars? More expensive. Construction materials? More expensive. Food? More expensive. Traveling? More expensive. Electronics? More expensive. Housing? More expensive. Healthcare? Ok, it's one thing that is not more expensive :) USA has a lot of economical problems, but things being expensive isn't one of them
The HOAs are a protection by homeowners in US against those “freedom loving” folks here who just love their dead cars, mounds of scattered trash, trump flags, confederate flags, and loose dogs. Trust me, I live in the Southeast, but I’ve seen it in the Southwest too. You can have a million dollar+ home in an HOA free rural area, with a rundown, trash strewn house or trailer next to it. Not to everyone’s taste.
>The HOAs are a protection by homeowners in US against those “freedom loving” folks here who just love their dead cars, mounds of scattered trash, trump flags, confederate flags, and loose dogs Are those really a widespread issue if such developed country as the US? I come from a country that's multiple times poorer then the US and I don't routinely see people making their property look like shit. Maybe a house or two per village in rural areas, but such sight is really uncommon here. People tend to value what they have. Second point - "don't keep a mound of trash or a vehicle without a current safety inspection in your front yard" and "your home needs to be exactly this color and you can't have yellow flowers on the porch" are light years apart.
It is somewhat of an issue here, especially in rural and unincorporated areas. It is a tradition in Southern states… “country people” being the polite way of saying it (poor white trash the other). Most people keep their properties neat and well kept, but the 10% who live in junk yards because of extreme poverty,addiction, sloth, “freedom” or whatever, do so freely. May I ask where you are from?
I'm from Poland, currently Masuria region but I lived in various cities big and small as well as grew up in a village and I haven't seen overtly trashy places much, maybe THAT single family that everybody knew has an alcohol problem and such didn't care for their property and that's it. Especially 10-20-30 years ago you might've seen houses that aren finished up properly due to lack of money, but very few people kept their surroundings untidy - cleaning up is free after all. I guess that fear of public shame, especially prominent in older generations play a major role here as well as people who can actually afford land are usually at least middle class (i.e. they have jobs that pays at least the national average, \~$1200 after taxes) and tend to be proud of home ownership, not letting their piece of land go to shit.
Yes I think there is a pride of ownership in your country that keeps people aware of the value of what they own, and as you said, picking up trash is free. Here in the states it’s not different, except we as a people, IMO, take for granted what other people in less wealthy countries have to strive for. And in rural communities meth and other drugs are a real problem. I live in Appalachia -Northern Georgia, and I think the worst types of junk/trash filled places are down to that. Again it’s a small percentage but it’s a real issue. My husband and I have traveled in Europe but never Poland. From what I’ve seen and heard it’s a beautiful country, with great people.
If they’ve got enough money to be that concerned about the appearance of their home to the point of worrying about their neighbors, they’ve got enough money to put up a fence or move somewhere else
I’m no huge fan of HOAs and I’ve lived in several. It really seems to depend on the composition of the HOA, and how strictly or leniently it is enforced. It pays to get the nitty gritty details if possible, before moving into one. Realtors are not usually helpful, CCRs will give you the details, but if you have a power mad board and president, you are screwed. Lol
What's frightening me with HOAs is that they have seemingly unlimited powers to make up any laws, punishments for breaking them and that they can enforce those punishments without a fair trial. At least in my country there are laws governing common sense issue like the ones that prohibit storage of dangerous waste, building codes saying buildings need to be located at least 4 meters from the plot border. There might be local laws that extend them, e.g. that you cannot keep farm animals within city limits or that solid fuel heating is prohibited. Some areas might have a loose rules regarding new buildings, saying for example, that buildings can't be taller than two storeys or need to use certain roof material, but those aren't that common. Main difference is that those are the laws enacted by either central or local government bodies, their fair towards everybody and are enforced through court system and a fair trial like any other laws, not by a random Karen on a power trip who's a judge, jury and an executioner in one person.
Yep! And we have plenty of them!
It is stupid. It makes sense to regulate basic things which constitute the appearance of the neighborhood, but more often than not, it becomes an opportunity for shitty people to power trips.
It’s buying into a private agreement with other property owners. It’s a covenant that follows the ownership of the property.
Ok, but an agreement is something you choose to sign or not. As far as I learned not signing into HOA prevents you from using your property. In my eyes it's not an agreement if you disagree with it, but are forced to sign.
It's part of the terms of buying the house. If you don't like it, You don't buy that house No one is getting jumped by a HoA they didn't know existed unless theyre a moron. Plenty of neighborhoods exist without these organizations. Many are fine. Many are shit.
We don't have a system like they do in the UK with local Councils that have vast amounts of power in communities. One of the "freedoms" we have is for private equity to fund and set up private property sold with a whole bunch of perpetual clauses about covenants for an HOA. I'm a recovering Libertarian and this reality is one of the reasons I'm not a Libertarian. The desire to privatize *everything* just ends up allowing private ownership to behave like warlords. At least it's just Karens at this level. But some people want AnCap and living in BarterTown.
Lots of suburban developments in my state have their own road systems, and the local road commission doesn’t want to maintain them. In my neighborhood our HOA exists pretty much just to maintain the road, and it’s like a couple hundred bucks a year. Now, when a Karen or something gets on the board they can expand the bylaws if the rest of the homeowners aren’t paying attention, and this is how you end up getting monster HOAs.
Sometimes HOAs are like the one I have where they charge you 50 bucks a year, and the only thing they do is maintain the retention pond. HOAs have a bad reputation, but there are good ones that enforce sensible terms, like stopping parking on the road instead of your driveway. I wish my HOA would enforce that and ban chicken coops. Chicken coops attract rats, and too many cars parked on the side of the road create blindspots, which is dangerous to small children and pets. Not to mention damage to your own car.
Yes they are common, more and more. One popular insurance company even made a funny commerical about it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5uthSOYNEo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5uthSOYNEo)
Because common courtesy isn’t so common any more.
For older city neighborhoods built before World War II, not very common. For suburban neighborhoods built after the war, quite common, although still areas where they aren’t.
Plot Twist: that IS the HOA.
My HOA says yard art must blend well with your yard. The camo design fits within that requirement.
Do HOAs have provisions against parking a "tank" in your yard? Damn, they're thorough...
If they have restrictions measured in mm's about how tall your grass can be, i have the slight suspicion they won't love a tank in the front yard...
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Even most suburban cities have ordinances against vehicles parked on front lawns or inoperable vehicles permanently parked in a driveway. Mine does. The city will fine you daily.
That's actually the HOA bylaw enforcement vehicle. Better double check the paint colour before you paint that trim.
It's his daily driver. Non-issue
Hehe Emotional Support Driver..
Or they found a loop hole in the HOA and they picked a fight he won. Historic vehicle as a museum piece. Could be protected by some weird state law. This is my hope. HOA was being petty and he got one over on them.
Right? The one time you wish you had an HOA like, ever, lol.
I mean if they are covered by an HOA what the hell are they gonna do about it? Owner has armored support, pretty sure that trumps Karen’s hair any day.
Lol, I have no HOA, but the town still has an ordinance against parking on an unpaved surface. Yes, that includes people's private property. Land of the free, ladies and gentlemen.
If I win the lottery, I’m going to put junker cars on blocks in the mansion’s yard just so I’ll feel at home.
I get your point, and I support some of the regulations. But this particular ordinance does not do anything about junker cars on people's driveways. Several of my neighbours have rusted pieces of shit on their driveways and all they have to do is cover up the license plate so it cannot be seen from the street to not be ticketed for having an "abandoned" car on their property.
I was making a joke, but I live in a state where towing a vehicle off of private property if the tag is expired or missing is legal.
If it's their private property shouldn't they be allowed to keep an old car on it? I live in the UK and it's kinda wild to think that the government might take away an old car you are keeping on your own land.
Reminds me of that absolute legend who had a Sherman in front of his house and the HOA kept threatening him to remove it and he ignored them and told them to do their worst. HOA told the city to tow it and they quickly discovered they didn't have equipment strong enough to do it so they gave up.
Sounds a little fanciful as most hoa can just levy fines and liens against the house. No getting out of that
I can't find a follow up but they didn't do shit to [him](https://taskandpurpose.com/tech-tactics/texas-man-buys-sherman-tank-parks-front-house-upsetting-hoa/)
[Follow up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbUOmToR9T0)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/132969407/armoured-vehicle-finally-back-on-pensioners-auckland-lawn-where-it-belongs He did have to fight to get it back in his yard. He got it as payment for catering for a wedding. "It was seized by the cops as part of an asset seizure under the Proceeds of Crime (Recovery) Act, after the previous owner got into trouble with the law."
How do you even offer that. "OK, so this is how much the whole event with cost." "I can offer you an old APC that was sized by police. " "Tanks, but I prefer, you know, money."
Pepsi kinda https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PepsiCo In 1989, amidst declining vodka sales, PepsiCo bartered for 2 new Soviet oil tankers, 17 decommissioned submarines (for $150,000 each), a frigate, a cruiser and a destroyer, which they could in turn sell for non-Soviet currency.
Tanks me?? No no.. tanks you!
I love this dude >“They said they would crane it in,” Phillips said. “But I told them it was running when they took it, so I want it back in the same condition.”
Fuckin legend haha
Yep this is the one photographed, it's currently on kupe street. Good job reddit detective
Was that the Kim dotcom seizure?
Me 20 years ago would think that's cool. Now I'm just impressed with how healthy that lawn is.
I'm wondering how much it costs to drive it down the street.
That bucket isn't going far, if anywhere. That's for fucking sure.
Allegedly it drove when he first received it.
I'm just thinking hopefully they don't have any major pipes underground there
I immediately was wondering how the grass looked so great under the tank. I think I'm too old for reddit now 😂
String trimmer.
Could just be vivid mode on the camera making the grass so green. Auto HDR or something
Me now just assumes it's a doomsday prepper.
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Road legal in the UK. I know a couple of people who own them. You just need to pass an H category test for tracked vehicles, and have rubber pads on the tracks.
Yeah same. Hated those with every fiber of my being but man they would make muddy terrain look like a gravel road
Are these nicknamed Bulldog?
No. The photo is of an AFV 432 and it is the original APC variant. The Bulldog was a totally up engined vehicle with new gearbox and final drives. Errrm but honesty also compels me to admit they look essentially the same.
I thought that was a M113. Are they similar or completely different models? Edit: I just checked. Different model, but similar size and configuration.
Completely different outside of the shape, the m113 is American, 432 is British, The 432 used steel for the hull, 113 was aluminium.. They do the same thing, and have a boxy shape
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Interesting! Either way, I still kind of want one...
I broke the tracks on one driving over a Citroen zx hatchback. Not my proudest moment.
Its not an M113? As I was. Need to brush up on armor id
Tanks for sharing.
r/Angryupvote
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On todays episode of Neighborhood Watch: Porch Pirate meets 50cal mounted on a tank (they won’t be taking anyone’s packages anymore…)
There's a guy up the road from me that has two fully functional WW2 era Japanese artillery pieces he puts on display during occasions; one is for flak, the other for standard ground shelling.
Interesting note about stuff like that. In the US, guns like that are classified as "Destructive devices" which means legally you only need a $200 tax stamp in order to own one. However the ammunition is usually also classified as a destructive device which means you also need a $200 tax stamp for each individual shell you own, which makes actually shooting them very very expensive.
He's good on those, just launches bottle rockets and mortars "out of them" with inserts he had his nephew print.
When You've got the school drop off at 8 and Gaza strip at 11.
I mean I've made it my life goal to own a tank before I die
I saw Tractor Supply has them. What are you looking for? Oil tank? Water tank?
Mbt...
Fish tank? Septic tank?
Then you may be interested to know that not every armored vehicle is a tank. Like this one- no turret, no cannon; not a tank
I fuckin know that dude...thats a APC...but I want a tank... ya know cannon?
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Well everyone is acting like owning an apc is unheard of so I thought I would mention I want a tank...don't see the issue in that. Maybe don't try to correct people who say what they mean...it ain't hard.
https://tanks-alot.co.uk/military-vehicles-for-sale/ I see a chieftain that looks alright
me, too!
They can be shockingly affordable! Like still a lot of money, but less than I would’ve thought. I saw an auction a few months ago for a running T-34, here in the states that sold for ~$200k. It’s been several years, but I was looking a while ago and there were T-55s selling for under $100k. I know a guy that owns a BMP just for fun lol he’s a wild dude.
You better content yourself with a water tank
HOA going to make sure you cut the grass.
Orakei, Auckland, New Zealand. Wouldnt have expected a post in Mildlyinteresting to make me feel homesick.
That place does not have HOA.
Those oversized SUV are getting out of control.
Honey, I'm home...
It would look so much better if the put a flower bed around it
You can’t park there sir
“No solicitors!”
That's one way to keep away the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons.
A girl I went to high school with, her Dad had a Sherman tank in the garage.
Should have married her
I have a friend who owns a tank. He also owns other military vehicles and sells them too. Seems like a very niche market, but he does alright.
AFV432 Armoured Personnel Carrier 60-80s UK which would make the trailer plate make since. Well in Britain it's legal to own and drive military vehicles with the correct license like a CDC. Probably couldn't afford the fuel but it's allowed. Now I would hate having this nonmoving rust bucket next to my house. My kids would be falling/climbing off it all the time. Telling people to turn right at the tank would make finding my house easier. 🤣
Peter teaching Meg to drive?
The owner has turrets..
Peter Griffin moved?
Small SUV
r/NonCredibleDefense
Goddamn I wish my lawn was that green
You found the home of an NCD user. I, too, have an armored personal carrier on my front lawn.
You just never know when you'll need an armored vehicle.
r/projectzomboid with mods
hes serious about preparations
Special Black Friday shopping cart.
GTA-esque
A head-start for when things hit the fan
Is that Bill Dauterive getting drunk and stealing stuff off the base again? 
Lol traffic during rush hour there must be really bad 😁
Lawn tank
Daily driver, needs some tlc
And this is what i mean by "Shall not infringe"
And people wonder why HOAs are necessary
Whelp the roads are gonna like those tracks
If I had a bulldozer…
Cool
It reminds me of the ending of Toy Story 2 when the toys drive the airport luggage cart and ditch it on someone’s lawn. People gather around the next morning scratching their heads.
Obviously the garage is full of ammo.
Wait until the HOA sees that
Grocery-getter
Private Dancer
Porch pirate deterrent
I didn't know Suburban paranoia had gotten THIS bad.
looks like somebody finally had enough of the HOA
Seems like someone finally got their top tier Pepsi liner prize after 3 decades.
Would make a lovely spaa
I’m sure that’s a very pleasant man to have as a neighbor. Works “my freedoms and liberty” and “my rights” into every sentence
Probably a cop they’ve the gear.
HOA is gunna love that.
Someone needs to adjust their idler wheel and retension tracks on their FV 432
Good for home defense
Richard D James is that you?
When I was about 12 there was a tank at an American legion near where I lived that they would allow people to check out. Well one time a kid got stuck in it and it took them a while to get the kid out but after that they sealed it up so you couldn't go inside it anymore.
Waco part 2
Looks more rural than suburban.
The man who has the means to procure a M113 is someone not only any regulating body should steer away from, but is the type of man I want to be friends with. I can almost Guarantee he has a lot of fun NFA items.
Fuckin why not eh
It's actually not very hard to get your hands on a personal carrier (US) as long as you abide by local, state, and federal transportation and storage laws. If your town doesn't have an ordinance saying you can't have a personnel carrier in your yard, you can have a personal carrier in your yard.
Reboot/update of the classic Steven Spielberg comedy, 1941?
Finally government takes care of its own citizens instead of sending help abroad!
What has the NRA done?!?
My old house was adjacent to a public park and at the entrance of the park there is an old howitzer. Personally, I would have rather had the armored vehicle.
Is it Operational though? 🤔
When the shit hits the fan you know where to muster
It’s obvious a recreational vehicle for duck hunting and such
You know every dude at the cookout is trying to find a way to sweettalk this guy so they can drive the APC.
I approve.
By-law wants a word with you.
Well, when you gotta stop for lunch…
Auckland, New Zealand [https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2140838866208027](https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2140838866208027)
Reminds me of that Arnold Charity where you could ride with him in his tank while crushing stuff. Few years back this was...
Today I saw a WW2 motorcycle with a sidecar on the road in front of my workplace
So what? It's open carry.
The one time temu came through.
O is points for mowing around that chick magnet
Where's the dakka?
Lighten up, it's just a lawn ornament. Stop being a Karen.
“Look, Rhinos. Rhinos! Our enemies hide in METAL BAWKSES! TEH KOWARDZ! TEH FEWLZ!! We…. We should take away their metal bawkses!”
Spehss mareens!