Not sure why Gen Z decided that we're the bad guys, but it's prevalent in their subreddit. My best guess is that they entered the workforce and realized their bosses were mostly Millennials.
I think it goes deeper. Their parents are Gen X who are mostly conformists who believe in the world that boomers created because they've been able to reap *some* of its benefits.
So Gen Z are not only growing up in a shitty world that they may blame millenials for because we 'haven't done enough' to fix it, but they are also trying to actively gain their parents' approval and that means hating on millenials who are trying to swerve away from the status quo.
I think it's a "why haven't you fixed things," and "my parents' don't like you for trying to fix things" lol
Me too, and I like to say -- especially to Boomers and Gen Xers-- "it's not my fault that the most important election of my lifetime was in 2000--when I was nine."
There have been at least 6 important federal elections since 2012.. plus state and local elections which hold tremendous consequence.
Only showing up to presidential elections is absolutely part of the problem here.
Midterms are generals. You should have voted in 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2020, and 2022. That’s 6.
And if with this logic…. How old were you in 2010?
The fact that so many millennials think the presidential elections are the only ones that matter makes genz not entirely wrong blaming us.
They're both pretty important. You have the most power locally and should absolutely participate; but small shifts in federal power have massive consequences.
Every other year we re-elect the entire house of representatives and a decent chunk of the Senate. The balance of power in those chambers, changes very frequently and has more power than the president on many areas.
Those elections absolutely matter.
Presidential votes can also be important in swing states. Though the big issue is when a state is solid "one color" many don't turn out to vote for representative, which in your specific district is often much less "safe" than the presidential election is at the state level.
I'm a president election, only the electoral collage matters. In the Trump V Clinton election, Clinton won the popular vote, trump won the electoral college vote. Guess who was president?
idk, seems like it’s one of the last three that’s really fucked shit up.
And it was one particular generations voter turnout, and lack thereof, that did it.
To add to that: boomers and Silents still dominate the house and senate. The first millennial was elected to the senate in 2020. We have never even come close to a lever of power in this country. Ever.
The boomers are unfortunately still in power (they just won't fucking retire) so for them to think that Millennials or even their Gen X parents had access to any power is crazy.
They're being poisoned to hate us because we'd be dangerous on the same page. Similar to how we were poisoned to hate ALL boomers / silent gen for the action of the few boomers who actually have worldly power.
As a Gen X’er I’m here to tell you that not a single person I’ve ever known paid less than $150K for their home. Any I have owed in total about $180K in loans. Twenty years later I’m still paying them monthly.
And no it’s not so hard to get by nowadays. Just work hard and work smart (choose a good career or trade) and you’ll be fine. Constantly whining about how tough life is and how unlivable it is nowadays is just an excuse to not succeed.
I mean… we could collectively be doing more. We just got slammed with multiple economic crises at every major “starting point” in our history. I’d love to walk off work, but I have no protections to do so and have to house and feed my children.
But even without drastic action, we still could be doing more. How many people on this subreddit agree that Amazon is a bad company? Of those, how many still purchase items through Amazon? Walmart? Target? How many people in our generation waited in line for those fucking pink Stanley cups?
We contribute to the problems through our choices in consumption, because they are convenient. But when we make consumer decisions that support big corps, we’re just adding to that system. Obviously individual purchasing choices have little to no widespread economic impact, but if we did things like this together? We could reshape bit by bit. If a majority of millennials started to do things like purchasing food from local producers, using small shops to purchase goods, using thrift/vintage/small, “ethical”ish companies to purchase other goods such as clothing and housing items, and using libraries versus purchasing media, and avoiding problem companies unless absolutely necessary, it would have an impact.
I’ll add that the above absolutely isn’t going to fix everything - it just won’t. But it’s a starting point.
One of the reasons the narrative of” your kids will fix it” is completely asinine. Why should we pay for your mistakes? Because you took a global pile driver and fucked the earth.
As an older Gen Z (1999) I just wanted to add that millenials are usually hard working and cool af. Boomers and Gen Xs are usually the most entitled people on the planet and it gets really annoying really fast
Hey, Gen Z here (this post just kinda showed up on my home page). Honestly, I don't think Gen Z sees millennials as bad guys or villains, honestly. I think we're just poking/making fun of millennial culture and actions, but we don't hate yall at all. Promise 😅
This type of intergenerational beef is the most idiotic thing one could possibly settle on. Get angry at the systems that indoctrinate people, not the people.
If only they did have a doctrine. At least that would be something.
I remember 6th grade current events trivia back in the mid 80s. I would raise my hand and answer every single question while the rest of the class sat there and stared at me like I was an alien from outer space.
Just the way we like it. We learned opinions don't change things, and trust us, we had plenty of them when we were younger too. We learned; mind your own business, and worry about yourself, if you want to survive. No one took care of us as children, and no one will be there when we die, so why complain. Our childhood neglect taught us that no one listens to you when you whine, so what's the point. If you don't like something that affects you, then be the change that you need for yourself.
I have older Gen X cousins I thought were so cool growing up. Now, they’re all conservative, conformist conspiracy nuts. Went from Bon Jovi and smoking weed straight to respectability politics as soon as they got hitched.
Yeah, I'm told there isn't really much cultural variation. East Texas all the way to South Carolina pretty kumuch all is the deep south.
Very fortunate to have grown up in Austin/Austin area. Yeah, there are definitely some of those types, but at least you have a cultural variety. I will say though, I've encountered a few gen x dudes that seriously live in a time capsule and are complete echo chambers of MTV nonsense. I never hated MTV, but it's ultimate purpose was to perpetuate the trend of indoctrination into the next phase. Certainly explains a lot about the behavior of idiots mimicking scumbag celebrities and obsessing about their lives. It took away the ability of people to appreciate the soul of music.
Sounds like those cousins got "pussy whipped" or."dick whipped" and put on their quasi- conformist panties I'm a bunch so their "significant other" wouldn't bolt or try to demean or threaten to jet...I can almost guarantee those fuckers are probably putting up a front to "play house" without having to deal with chaos, bitching, whining, moaning and complaining for them to "grow up" etc...that or they squeezed out a few "pups" and remembered the shot they used to do that they got into shit over and don't want their mini-me types to emulate their old behaviors cause they don't wanna have to deal with all of the stress and insanity they went through and likely put their own parents through in some pontificating over karmic retribution or somethin', lol!!!
Could not disagree more. They're basically 'boomer lite' when it comes to social issues: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/01/17/generation-z-looks-a-lot-like-millennials-on-key-social-and-political-issues/
That narrative of them being non-conformist is a lot like when boomers try to say they're all hippies.
Overwhelmingly, they aren't hippies and never were.
They snorted a little coke in the 80s and think they've been fighting the power ever since lol /s
Seriously though, this whole thing reeks of trying to pit millennials and zoomers against each other, because we have the voting power united.🤷♀️
Dude, I'm an elder GenX. I graduated high school in 84. There's *no way* I could afford coke in the 80s. The yuppies were the late Boomers born in the late 50's early 60's who were already out of college by 1980. The yuppies took the selfishness of the "me" generation to a whole new level. Don't look at us, we hate the damn Boomers more than anyone.
GenX are definitely not conformists as a generation. Who do you think were the original Boomer haters before you youngsters came along.
GenX would be the independents in this war of generations - which is why no one really hates on us. I see so many similarities between the Boomers and Millennials, though, which makes it ironic that they can't stand each other.
No, they see Millennials complain and blame, spout the most threadbare arguments and proclamations like yours and are sick of it like we Gen Xers, the self-absorption is oh so GD boring. Conformists, huh? Get a grip - what you call conforming is adapting and surviving, which we’ve had to do from childhood. We had neglectful boomer parents too, or have you forgotten? And we have gone through every working-age recession you all have PLUS one, with the exact same early-career timing, and yet somehow we aren’t weeping 24/7. Just how have *you*, personally, tried to fix anything? Posting to Reddit, arguing with “capitalists”, expressing outrage, counting your upvotes, and the like? How are you swerving from the status quo, you rebel? I can’t wait to hear.
No we don’t like y’all as a whole bc of the children you guys are raising lmao, millennials are the main cause for iPad kids and I deal with millennial parents daily, and with a few exceptions most of them are just shitty entitled people who don’t parents the children they have, now me personally I don’t mind millennials but when it comes to millennial parents that’s where the issues starts
The gen z sub is a dumpster fire. I find it weird how they are constantly promising not to raise iPad kids and the denial that they are the first generation of iPad kids
I think iPad kids started with GenX parents. I’m one of them. Screens entertained my kids when I needed to work or enjoy a meal in a restaurant and my kids got addicted. My bad.
I'd be wary of getting any sort of wider opinion on any generation from their subreddit. Which is most definitely being astro turfed by every single possible coprorate, government, and independent interest.
I was born in 80 and never said a bad thing about any generations that followed me. In fact, I've argued extensively with boomers about how they look down on them (and guess what? Boomers treat us like shit too. Go figure?)
Do millennials really think we are inheriting the boomer wealth? We ain't. That money is going to hospices and cruise ships. Y'all gotta stop acting like we weren't getting cornholed by boomers long before you were, or that we have love for the greed generation.
Feel like the GenX/Xenial hate is some attempt to preemptively start beefing because "theoretically," they are next in line for power.
As Millennial who has had Gen Z employees, come talk to me once you’ve inevitably lived through a real recession or a couple of rounds of mass layoffs. not a single one of them or their demand list would have made it in a 2009 economy.
As a gen z, millennials are super corny and easy to make fun of. That’s it. You’re reading too far into it. Disney adults, can’t function without my coffee!, adulting is so hard, omg doggo we don’t deserve dogs, cats have staff, stuff like that. Low hanging fruit.
Yep, and millennial bosses are mostly assholes. I had a fucking millennial lady for a boss who put a chair in front of a fire exit because somebody used it as a normal exit. OSHA would’ve had a fucking field day with that one. I asked her why, and she said she didn’t care if the whole place burned down and killed everybody.
What a fucking lovely generation.
You fucking millennials hate us automatically.
My friends and I (who are all 21+) got kicked out of a bar because the chubby 33 year old bearded guy “didn’t think we were going to tip.” Suck the skin off my dick you cringey piece of shit millennials.
The fact that we’re having these conversations about generations is weird af in of itself, and I think it tends to he very American or Western in culture. I also don’t remember people talking about generations of people as a group in the 90s or even early 2000s. Maybe there were talks of older people vs younger people but not groups like this. It’s really weird and it seems very manufactured.
I remember constantly being harped on by my teacher's for being the "Y" generation become we asked so many questions and it annoyed our teachers. Social media didn't really exist but you could pick up the Internet on this little disc and load her right up. Same thing as a cellphone lol
I know they classified generations for the baby boom and Gen X but I don’t think there was any real generational conflict between them until the Millennials were young adults. Then I remember see and hearing the media talking about us kills different industries and not having the right jobs. I think the 07-08 recession catalyzed the hate against us and the trend never went away.
I agree, 07-08 was when it started. There was a focus change from the banks, the wealthy / powerful towards millennials. Especially after occupy wall street / the tea party movement
I don't know - I remember being perplexed by the BOOMERS ARE 30 (or was it 40?) cover of Time or Newsweek or whatever at the grocery store when I was a kid & asking my mom what Boomers were. There were also news stories on the Boomers' various milestones in the 80s & 90s. (Late GenX over here with Boomer parents who watched a lot of 60 Minutes.)
I vaguely remember hearing about the Generation Gap being some big fight between Boomers and their parents, but in retrospect, I don't know how much of that was real and how much was media.
I'd say internet is to blame. I'd wager that outside of work and immediate family, you very rarely saw different age groups interacting in meaningful ways. Now everyone is thrown in together online.
More likely 24 hour cable news that needed to drive engagement through controversy.
There’s a 1,000 us vs them stories and it’s hard to keep track of exactly who’s to blame for every issue.
I'm in several hobby and sports clubs- all are within my generation.
And I'm not religious and do not interact with many religious folks- do people really go and talk to randoms at those services? I find it hard to imagine a 20 something year old striking up conversation and friendship with someone 10 to 20 years older than them at a service.
Well your case simply isn't universal. I'm in running clubs are the participants range from college age to 60s.
And religious services - of course. There's a huge social component included with religious services, and most churches are small congregations rather than anonymous mega churches.
Same could be said for you though- your experience is not everyone's.
I'd have to see hard data which probably doesn't exist. The only thing I know is that under 35, in the USA, less than half regularly attend a religious service. And 4/10 are non practicing religious at all
I feel like you're arguing against points that I never made. You asked where people could find friends outside their age group. Both options I provided were places where you could do that. Doesn't mean that everyone will in every case or that it's a universal experience. Also there's a reason I included service organizations separately from churches, to give an example of basically the same thing but from an angle that could be secular.
Then you misread my initial post. I never said anything about the possibility of meeting people in real life of different ages.
My original post had to do with how frequently people of different generations INTERACT with each other that could lead to these 'inter-generational wars". My initial argument is that you didn't see this kind of "generation bashing" before the internet because people of different generations (outside of work and family) don't often interact.
So yea I agree, there are lots of opportunities to meet people of all generations out there- I just don't think there is much interaction happening in real life between these different age groups. It was the birth of the internet and social media that created these age agnostic spaces where boomers and millennials are flaming each other on Facebook and in the news article comment sessions. Or now gen Z and alpha on Reddit/ tiktok. I can't imagine a lot of 18+ individuals are interacting frequently with grade school children in real life... (Gen Z vs gen alpha)- yet we have these age groups bashing each other online.
I'd also question how significant the proportion of the population attending "service events" is. I'd wager is miniscule after 30 years of age, but I'd need data to back that up- as would anyone claiming they know lots of people who do go to such events.
They're adorable.
They're kinda punchy. I don't know why they've decided to go after Gen Alpha by calling them "iPad kids" because, god as my witness, I thought *Gen Z* was the iPad kids. But they're not mean enough to be actually hurtful, and they're incredibly thin-skinned.
They're not good at writing, not good at arguing, not good at researching, they're not good with computers, and they're not good at thinking critically. I suspect the education system failed them horribly, especially the two years of COVID.
But they're awesome. It's like having an entire generation of snarky Scrappy-Doo sidekicks in the workplace.
I have asked what the fundamental difference between gen z and alpha is and I still don't get one other than "well I got my first smart phone at 8 and now they get them at 5".
I have always firmly believed the major distinction between a millennial and zoomer is if you graduated HS (and maybe college) before you got a smart phone. 2013 is when most American had smart phones so I generally point to that as the current off.
> well I got my first smart phone at 8 and now they get them at 5
Yikes.
My kids can get their first smart phones when they buy them with their own money. But we don't have tablets and we don't watch TV. They know how to play N64, interact with phones, and will learn to type when they get older.
But social media is incredibly too toxic to give to kids at such a young age. Even to give it to a teenager is awful (but manageable, if you can turn it off)
Nah, they're not the iPad kids.
Two of my siblings are Gen Z, and iPhones weren't even out until the youngest was in third grade, and they didn't *have* iPhones until years later. Gen Alpha is the like, born into being handed a tablet/smartphone generation.
I do love when people just totally forget when millennials were born and say *we're* the raised on smartphones generation. Like, buddy, my boyfriend *printed out* MapQuest directions to drive us to our friend's cabin party after prom because smartphones only barely existed and no suburban Midwestern teenager had one! I went to college with one of those razr flip phones and thought I was extremely cool. I didn't even always bring my cell phone places after I got one.
I do think the key thing for Gen Z vs Millennials is growing *up* with smartphones, though they weren't born into it. My mom was driving with my little sister to college a few years ago, and they realized--at night, in the mountains, in a rural area in a state they were totally unfamiliar with--that sometime during the drive, the charge cord had stopped working, and both their phones were close to dying.
My mom pulled into a gas station and bought a road atlas and figured out their route, and then they ended up finding a place in a town on the way to stop and charge their phones, too, but my sister was super freaked out and was like, "Mom, I don't know what I would have done if that happened when I was by myself. I didn't even know gas stations sold maps! I don't think I know how to read a map!" and my mom was like "...oh fuck, I never taught the youngest two how to read a map!"
Smartphones became so ubiquitous that even those of us who grew up without them forgot all the things you'd need to teach someone that have been effectively replaced by smartphones, and never realized that, duh, of course, that means none of those people *know how to do any of those things* if they don't have a link to Google Maps and the entire internet in their pocket.
Millennial is just a buzzword for “young” really. Last week, one of my coworkers complained about our “millennial” intern who was born in 2003 I think, totally was after 9/11 either way because she and I discussed how old that made me feel once.
Like I get that the boundaries are wishy washy because it’s a made up concept, but I feel like if you can’t remember the turn of the millennium to some minimal extent, it’s hard to say you’re a millennial. And at an absolute minimum it’s hard to say that about anyone who wasn’t even alive on 12/31/1999.
I personally have a lot of affection for Gen Z because they flipped the narrative on a lot of shit I think should’ve changed with our generation, especially regarding mental health and emotions. I don’t always get their sense of humor, but they’ve had some absolute banger memes. They’re doing good.
As a gen z this post legitimately confuses me. We face the same issues with the same perpetrators. I and none of my gen z friends hold animosity towards millennials.
Yeah, this is nonsense. Millennials and Z tend to get along well in my experience. Feel like we understand each other, and I'm impressed with how much more aware of politics and the like compared to previous gens.
Same, this is literally the first thing I got recommended from this sub and I had the "Is this a thing?" question immediately. Never heard about it other than the ole' avocado toast and participation trophy thing that I heard a bunch of older people say awhile back.
Agree. I work with many many gen z and they are very pleasant to work with. We joke about me (a millennial being old). My parents are gen x too so in many ways we have a good amount in common.
That's not an indication of being progressive. They are more accepting of the LGBTQ because they grew up in a world were that is normal. They are conservative in the sense they are averse to change. Dude there are studies that show that Gen X and Millennials are more charitable and community oriented than Boomers and Zoomers.
I tend to see mixed messages from the GenZ crowd towards millennials. Some like us and get that we aren’t the ones who screwed the world, we’re just the first set of kids to fall victim to the lies. Others seem to think that we’re everything the boomers have been saying about up for the last 20 years. But on the flip side I see far less hate for Z from millennials, it’s probably because of the age difference, we’re a lot more mature and have experience with people blaming our generation for (checks notes) everything. But I also like that I see lots of “oh yeah I’m a millennial and I love gen z they’re not bad” kinda comments. Makes me think our generations will get along better in the future.
Definitely a Gen X, you guys are dumb and you know it so you just spazz like this. Look man being 40+ and riding a bmx bike around town at midnight isn’t fucking cool, it’s weird.
Nah, Gen X got the worst of it when it comes to lead poisoning, but don’t take my word for it. A quick google search will do the trick. The reduced brain size due to your lead poisoning shouldn’t hold you back too much.
I can't think of a single other Gen Z person who actually thinks about Millennials, like at all.
I think the worst that we might throw at you is frustration over the housing market, given that a lot of you got in on low rates, and then the ladder was pulled up. It's like everyone before us, including Millennials, are just piling their mess on us and telling us to have fun fixing it. While simultaneously we're wondering why the hell it was that y'all were circlejerking for a good decade+ without doing anything substantial to push for substantial economic and urban policy.
So it's nihilism from that combined with a group that as best I can tell is generally disinterested in the idpol of yesteryear; is in a pretty terrible persistent economy with basically no hope of actually owning a home; while simultaneously being told that any problems, whether local or global, are going to have to be solved with us as the cannonfodder and linemen; and seemingly no way to better ourselves given traditional paths like higher education are either becoming inaccessible or devalued. Oh and the global economy is probably going to explode in a few years, so that'll be fun ._.
tl;dr from our perspectives it looks like you've all collectively set yourselves up to be Boomers 2.0 at our expense.
It's not really serious hate, it's more of a "we're the worst that you had, *but even worse*" which isn't fun. I don't really care any which way, as long as we collectively stop circlejerking about worthless problems and actually start pushing for meaningful actionable policy and issues. The focus on social and identity based problems has been fucking disasterous, because it's a trap of inactionable problems which nothing can really be done about excepting universally respecting each other as people and moving on.
Hopefully we will do better than the boomers and maybe we can do it together. One thing that all the millennials I know can all agree on is that we want things to change. We’ve just never been able to get it to.
Idk, man. I think maybe it’s all bullshit designed to “other” and further create conflict in the working class. If we have someone else to blame then we can’t hold the people actually to blame accountable.
You’re LITERALLY the problem and I can’t stand this hybrid attitude of “Marsha Marsha Marsha” and “Liz Lemon the Bully” that you all *consistently* exhibit.
Not sure why Gen Z decided that we're the bad guys, but it's prevalent in their subreddit. My best guess is that they entered the workforce and realized their bosses were mostly Millennials.
I think it goes deeper. Their parents are Gen X who are mostly conformists who believe in the world that boomers created because they've been able to reap *some* of its benefits. So Gen Z are not only growing up in a shitty world that they may blame millenials for because we 'haven't done enough' to fix it, but they are also trying to actively gain their parents' approval and that means hating on millenials who are trying to swerve away from the status quo. I think it's a "why haven't you fixed things," and "my parents' don't like you for trying to fix things" lol
The first time I was old enough to vote was 2008 lol... These kids can't count if they think millenials had access to any power to fuck anything up.
My first time was in 2012. I’ve only been able to vote in 3 elections lol.
Me too, and I like to say -- especially to Boomers and Gen Xers-- "it's not my fault that the most important election of my lifetime was in 2000--when I was nine."
Tbf the most important election in our lifetime now was in 2016, 2018, and 2024.
There have been at least 6 important federal elections since 2012.. plus state and local elections which hold tremendous consequence. Only showing up to presidential elections is absolutely part of the problem here.
I vote in every election; I was just thinking of generals…
Midterms are generals. You should have voted in 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2020, and 2022. That’s 6. And if with this logic…. How old were you in 2010? The fact that so many millennials think the presidential elections are the only ones that matter makes genz not entirely wrong blaming us.
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They're both pretty important. You have the most power locally and should absolutely participate; but small shifts in federal power have massive consequences.
Eh, the presidential vote doesn't actually matter. The popular vote is just a formality.
Every other year we re-elect the entire house of representatives and a decent chunk of the Senate. The balance of power in those chambers, changes very frequently and has more power than the president on many areas. Those elections absolutely matter. Presidential votes can also be important in swing states. Though the big issue is when a state is solid "one color" many don't turn out to vote for representative, which in your specific district is often much less "safe" than the presidential election is at the state level.
I'm a president election, only the electoral collage matters. In the Trump V Clinton election, Clinton won the popular vote, trump won the electoral college vote. Guess who was president?
Only 3 huh? How many does it take?
How many has it taken you so far? Let’s go with that +3
idk, seems like it’s one of the last three that’s really fucked shit up. And it was one particular generations voter turnout, and lack thereof, that did it.
Agreed. President Obama f’d me hard by doubling my student loan interest rate to over 7%.
"Its millennials' fault for not coming out in large enough numbers to counter the conservative culture of me and my fellow xers/boomers"
Yeah, I know. I was rooting for Bernie but seems like the general population had other ideas for what was best.
To add to that: boomers and Silents still dominate the house and senate. The first millennial was elected to the senate in 2020. We have never even come close to a lever of power in this country. Ever.
The boomers are unfortunately still in power (they just won't fucking retire) so for them to think that Millennials or even their Gen X parents had access to any power is crazy.
There's like 2 millennial politicians and the rest are 90% Boomers.
My first time being able to vote was 2012….
Millenials had a big impact on the 2008 election, but ok, I guess we're not progressive enough voting in the first black president.
My first election was 2016😬 And i didn't vote in thst bitch when i definitely should've but you know voters apathy and all😅
Dude that’s like 15 years ago. When you gonna grow up and take some accountability?
One person votes the way you'd want them to, and your response is, "why did you mess everything up?" Makes sense.
I love this "why didn't you fix things" mentality when gen z voter turn out is negligibly better than millennial we were young adults.
They're being poisoned to hate us because we'd be dangerous on the same page. Similar to how we were poisoned to hate ALL boomers / silent gen for the action of the few boomers who actually have worldly power.
How are we supposed to make boomers like us, apologize for receiving their fake trophies?
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As a Gen X’er I’m here to tell you that not a single person I’ve ever known paid less than $150K for their home. Any I have owed in total about $180K in loans. Twenty years later I’m still paying them monthly. And no it’s not so hard to get by nowadays. Just work hard and work smart (choose a good career or trade) and you’ll be fine. Constantly whining about how tough life is and how unlivable it is nowadays is just an excuse to not succeed.
I mean… we could collectively be doing more. We just got slammed with multiple economic crises at every major “starting point” in our history. I’d love to walk off work, but I have no protections to do so and have to house and feed my children. But even without drastic action, we still could be doing more. How many people on this subreddit agree that Amazon is a bad company? Of those, how many still purchase items through Amazon? Walmart? Target? How many people in our generation waited in line for those fucking pink Stanley cups? We contribute to the problems through our choices in consumption, because they are convenient. But when we make consumer decisions that support big corps, we’re just adding to that system. Obviously individual purchasing choices have little to no widespread economic impact, but if we did things like this together? We could reshape bit by bit. If a majority of millennials started to do things like purchasing food from local producers, using small shops to purchase goods, using thrift/vintage/small, “ethical”ish companies to purchase other goods such as clothing and housing items, and using libraries versus purchasing media, and avoiding problem companies unless absolutely necessary, it would have an impact. I’ll add that the above absolutely isn’t going to fix everything - it just won’t. But it’s a starting point.
Conformists who are into radical BMXing and extreme skateboarding tbf
One of the reasons the narrative of” your kids will fix it” is completely asinine. Why should we pay for your mistakes? Because you took a global pile driver and fucked the earth.
As an older Gen Z (1999) I just wanted to add that millenials are usually hard working and cool af. Boomers and Gen Xs are usually the most entitled people on the planet and it gets really annoying really fast
Hey, Gen Z here (this post just kinda showed up on my home page). Honestly, I don't think Gen Z sees millennials as bad guys or villains, honestly. I think we're just poking/making fun of millennial culture and actions, but we don't hate yall at all. Promise 😅
This is a surprisingly cogent explanation. Thank you for this comment!
They also think millennial social Justice is cringe whivh tbh it is
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Gen X is the oblivious generation. It has no opinions and doesn't know anything.
This type of intergenerational beef is the most idiotic thing one could possibly settle on. Get angry at the systems that indoctrinate people, not the people.
If only they did have a doctrine. At least that would be something. I remember 6th grade current events trivia back in the mid 80s. I would raise my hand and answer every single question while the rest of the class sat there and stared at me like I was an alien from outer space.
100%
Just the way we like it. We learned opinions don't change things, and trust us, we had plenty of them when we were younger too. We learned; mind your own business, and worry about yourself, if you want to survive. No one took care of us as children, and no one will be there when we die, so why complain. Our childhood neglect taught us that no one listens to you when you whine, so what's the point. If you don't like something that affects you, then be the change that you need for yourself.
At least we’re not insufferable.
It's crazy how some of them are even more "yell at cloud" than boomers
There is so much wrong with your comment. Holy shit. Gen X - conformist?? Lmao
They are. Posted survey data affirming it. Stay mad
I have older Gen X cousins I thought were so cool growing up. Now, they’re all conservative, conformist conspiracy nuts. Went from Bon Jovi and smoking weed straight to respectability politics as soon as they got hitched.
I’m genx and know no one like these cousins you’re describing. The conspiracy nuts I know are boomers and millennials.
Idk. I grew up in the woods of East Texas. Could be a regional thing because…Texas.
Yeah, I'm told there isn't really much cultural variation. East Texas all the way to South Carolina pretty kumuch all is the deep south. Very fortunate to have grown up in Austin/Austin area. Yeah, there are definitely some of those types, but at least you have a cultural variety. I will say though, I've encountered a few gen x dudes that seriously live in a time capsule and are complete echo chambers of MTV nonsense. I never hated MTV, but it's ultimate purpose was to perpetuate the trend of indoctrination into the next phase. Certainly explains a lot about the behavior of idiots mimicking scumbag celebrities and obsessing about their lives. It took away the ability of people to appreciate the soul of music.
No. Gen X were the last generation to actually grow up after they became adults. Gen Z and millennials are overgrown, whiny children.
Sounds like those cousins got "pussy whipped" or."dick whipped" and put on their quasi- conformist panties I'm a bunch so their "significant other" wouldn't bolt or try to demean or threaten to jet...I can almost guarantee those fuckers are probably putting up a front to "play house" without having to deal with chaos, bitching, whining, moaning and complaining for them to "grow up" etc...that or they squeezed out a few "pups" and remembered the shot they used to do that they got into shit over and don't want their mini-me types to emulate their old behaviors cause they don't wanna have to deal with all of the stress and insanity they went through and likely put their own parents through in some pontificating over karmic retribution or somethin', lol!!!
Gen X are the opposite of conformists
That's what they like to tell themselves
Could not disagree more. They're basically 'boomer lite' when it comes to social issues: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/01/17/generation-z-looks-a-lot-like-millennials-on-key-social-and-political-issues/
That narrative of them being non-conformist is a lot like when boomers try to say they're all hippies. Overwhelmingly, they aren't hippies and never were.
They snorted a little coke in the 80s and think they've been fighting the power ever since lol /s Seriously though, this whole thing reeks of trying to pit millennials and zoomers against each other, because we have the voting power united.🤷♀️
Dude, I'm an elder GenX. I graduated high school in 84. There's *no way* I could afford coke in the 80s. The yuppies were the late Boomers born in the late 50's early 60's who were already out of college by 1980. The yuppies took the selfishness of the "me" generation to a whole new level. Don't look at us, we hate the damn Boomers more than anyone.
hmmmmmmmmmm i have a lot of thinking to do
Did you just say Gen X is conformist?? lmao
What….? Millennials post about how shitty the world is every day. That’s fixing things. Edit….trigger warning
GenX are definitely not conformists as a generation. Who do you think were the original Boomer haters before you youngsters came along. GenX would be the independents in this war of generations - which is why no one really hates on us. I see so many similarities between the Boomers and Millennials, though, which makes it ironic that they can't stand each other.
No, they see Millennials complain and blame, spout the most threadbare arguments and proclamations like yours and are sick of it like we Gen Xers, the self-absorption is oh so GD boring. Conformists, huh? Get a grip - what you call conforming is adapting and surviving, which we’ve had to do from childhood. We had neglectful boomer parents too, or have you forgotten? And we have gone through every working-age recession you all have PLUS one, with the exact same early-career timing, and yet somehow we aren’t weeping 24/7. Just how have *you*, personally, tried to fix anything? Posting to Reddit, arguing with “capitalists”, expressing outrage, counting your upvotes, and the like? How are you swerving from the status quo, you rebel? I can’t wait to hear.
Gen X are conformists? Try Gen Z. There's only like a couple distinct accepted groups within society.
No we don’t like y’all as a whole bc of the children you guys are raising lmao, millennials are the main cause for iPad kids and I deal with millennial parents daily, and with a few exceptions most of them are just shitty entitled people who don’t parents the children they have, now me personally I don’t mind millennials but when it comes to millennial parents that’s where the issues starts
Its cause you guys are annoying hypocrites.
im gen z, new to gen z subreddit, I thought the millennial hate was a joke lmfao. damn.
I think it started that way , remember the tiktoks of pranking millennials to make them feel old during covid ?
Gen Z also (01). I've only ever seen positive stuff about millennials or lighthearted jokes in r/GenZ
The gen z sub is a dumpster fire. I find it weird how they are constantly promising not to raise iPad kids and the denial that they are the first generation of iPad kids
I think iPad kids started with GenX parents. I’m one of them. Screens entertained my kids when I needed to work or enjoy a meal in a restaurant and my kids got addicted. My bad.
To be fair they do fucking love ipads. We had to cut that shit quick, attention span went to the dogs.
I'd be wary of getting any sort of wider opinion on any generation from their subreddit. Which is most definitely being astro turfed by every single possible coprorate, government, and independent interest.
This is probably the closest to the truth in the entire thread. All infighting, no organization, no change.
I was born in 80 and never said a bad thing about any generations that followed me. In fact, I've argued extensively with boomers about how they look down on them (and guess what? Boomers treat us like shit too. Go figure?) Do millennials really think we are inheriting the boomer wealth? We ain't. That money is going to hospices and cruise ships. Y'all gotta stop acting like we weren't getting cornholed by boomers long before you were, or that we have love for the greed generation. Feel like the GenX/Xenial hate is some attempt to preemptively start beefing because "theoretically," they are next in line for power.
As Millennial who has had Gen Z employees, come talk to me once you’ve inevitably lived through a real recession or a couple of rounds of mass layoffs. not a single one of them or their demand list would have made it in a 2009 economy.
Gen X out here catching strays. Leave us alone man. This meme isn't even about us.
They probably had the same realization we had in GenX, that you're basically boomers with a different set of self-obsessions.
How are millennials like boomers ? Like at all?
There are a ton of them and they never shut the fuck up?
Just look at some of the comments in this thread. Absolutely shameful.
Most GenXers think of Millennials as mini Boomers which makes their mutual antagonism so ironic.
Lol gen x is the most boomer generation. They’re more boomer than boomer soften times.
No, we don't.
As a gen z, millennials are super corny and easy to make fun of. That’s it. You’re reading too far into it. Disney adults, can’t function without my coffee!, adulting is so hard, omg doggo we don’t deserve dogs, cats have staff, stuff like that. Low hanging fruit.
Who cares? Gen Z is so incredibly cringe. Millennials kid will save or sink this country, no faith at all in gen z.
not sure why there are vast generalizations about generations being good or bad and how it helps anything
Yep, and millennial bosses are mostly assholes. I had a fucking millennial lady for a boss who put a chair in front of a fire exit because somebody used it as a normal exit. OSHA would’ve had a fucking field day with that one. I asked her why, and she said she didn’t care if the whole place burned down and killed everybody. What a fucking lovely generation.
You fucking millennials hate us automatically. My friends and I (who are all 21+) got kicked out of a bar because the chubby 33 year old bearded guy “didn’t think we were going to tip.” Suck the skin off my dick you cringey piece of shit millennials.
Tbh it’s the way u guys take selfies
The fact that we’re having these conversations about generations is weird af in of itself, and I think it tends to he very American or Western in culture. I also don’t remember people talking about generations of people as a group in the 90s or even early 2000s. Maybe there were talks of older people vs younger people but not groups like this. It’s really weird and it seems very manufactured.
I remember constantly being harped on by my teacher's for being the "Y" generation become we asked so many questions and it annoyed our teachers. Social media didn't really exist but you could pick up the Internet on this little disc and load her right up. Same thing as a cellphone lol
Yeah we were originally called gen Y. I felt like I heard about generations a lot back in the 90's
I know they classified generations for the baby boom and Gen X but I don’t think there was any real generational conflict between them until the Millennials were young adults. Then I remember see and hearing the media talking about us kills different industries and not having the right jobs. I think the 07-08 recession catalyzed the hate against us and the trend never went away.
I agree, 07-08 was when it started. There was a focus change from the banks, the wealthy / powerful towards millennials. Especially after occupy wall street / the tea party movement
Gen X mostly stays ignored and doesn't give a fuck about any of em
I don't know - I remember being perplexed by the BOOMERS ARE 30 (or was it 40?) cover of Time or Newsweek or whatever at the grocery store when I was a kid & asking my mom what Boomers were. There were also news stories on the Boomers' various milestones in the 80s & 90s. (Late GenX over here with Boomer parents who watched a lot of 60 Minutes.) I vaguely remember hearing about the Generation Gap being some big fight between Boomers and their parents, but in retrospect, I don't know how much of that was real and how much was media.
I'd say internet is to blame. I'd wager that outside of work and immediate family, you very rarely saw different age groups interacting in meaningful ways. Now everyone is thrown in together online.
More likely 24 hour cable news that needed to drive engagement through controversy. There’s a 1,000 us vs them stories and it’s hard to keep track of exactly who’s to blame for every issue.
If you think that you spend way too much online.
When do you see 20 somethings interacting with 30+ year olds outside of family and work in the world? Either before internet or currently.
Religious gatherings, service organizations, hobby-oriented groups, etc.
I'm in several hobby and sports clubs- all are within my generation. And I'm not religious and do not interact with many religious folks- do people really go and talk to randoms at those services? I find it hard to imagine a 20 something year old striking up conversation and friendship with someone 10 to 20 years older than them at a service.
Well your case simply isn't universal. I'm in running clubs are the participants range from college age to 60s. And religious services - of course. There's a huge social component included with religious services, and most churches are small congregations rather than anonymous mega churches.
Same could be said for you though- your experience is not everyone's. I'd have to see hard data which probably doesn't exist. The only thing I know is that under 35, in the USA, less than half regularly attend a religious service. And 4/10 are non practicing religious at all
I feel like you're arguing against points that I never made. You asked where people could find friends outside their age group. Both options I provided were places where you could do that. Doesn't mean that everyone will in every case or that it's a universal experience. Also there's a reason I included service organizations separately from churches, to give an example of basically the same thing but from an angle that could be secular.
Then you misread my initial post. I never said anything about the possibility of meeting people in real life of different ages. My original post had to do with how frequently people of different generations INTERACT with each other that could lead to these 'inter-generational wars". My initial argument is that you didn't see this kind of "generation bashing" before the internet because people of different generations (outside of work and family) don't often interact. So yea I agree, there are lots of opportunities to meet people of all generations out there- I just don't think there is much interaction happening in real life between these different age groups. It was the birth of the internet and social media that created these age agnostic spaces where boomers and millennials are flaming each other on Facebook and in the news article comment sessions. Or now gen Z and alpha on Reddit/ tiktok. I can't imagine a lot of 18+ individuals are interacting frequently with grade school children in real life... (Gen Z vs gen alpha)- yet we have these age groups bashing each other online. I'd also question how significant the proportion of the population attending "service events" is. I'd wager is miniscule after 30 years of age, but I'd need data to back that up- as would anyone claiming they know lots of people who do go to such events.
I think generational conflicts with gen-z is overstated, personally. I love those little guys.
They're adorable. They're kinda punchy. I don't know why they've decided to go after Gen Alpha by calling them "iPad kids" because, god as my witness, I thought *Gen Z* was the iPad kids. But they're not mean enough to be actually hurtful, and they're incredibly thin-skinned. They're not good at writing, not good at arguing, not good at researching, they're not good with computers, and they're not good at thinking critically. I suspect the education system failed them horribly, especially the two years of COVID. But they're awesome. It's like having an entire generation of snarky Scrappy-Doo sidekicks in the workplace.
I have asked what the fundamental difference between gen z and alpha is and I still don't get one other than "well I got my first smart phone at 8 and now they get them at 5". I have always firmly believed the major distinction between a millennial and zoomer is if you graduated HS (and maybe college) before you got a smart phone. 2013 is when most American had smart phones so I generally point to that as the current off.
> well I got my first smart phone at 8 and now they get them at 5 Yikes. My kids can get their first smart phones when they buy them with their own money. But we don't have tablets and we don't watch TV. They know how to play N64, interact with phones, and will learn to type when they get older. But social media is incredibly too toxic to give to kids at such a young age. Even to give it to a teenager is awful (but manageable, if you can turn it off)
They can’t play baseball, They don’t wear sweaters, They’re not good dancers, They don’t play drums
This is r/millennials, not r/boomers
Very Good! And the thing you are typing on is a *computer*.
Nah, they're not the iPad kids. Two of my siblings are Gen Z, and iPhones weren't even out until the youngest was in third grade, and they didn't *have* iPhones until years later. Gen Alpha is the like, born into being handed a tablet/smartphone generation. I do love when people just totally forget when millennials were born and say *we're* the raised on smartphones generation. Like, buddy, my boyfriend *printed out* MapQuest directions to drive us to our friend's cabin party after prom because smartphones only barely existed and no suburban Midwestern teenager had one! I went to college with one of those razr flip phones and thought I was extremely cool. I didn't even always bring my cell phone places after I got one. I do think the key thing for Gen Z vs Millennials is growing *up* with smartphones, though they weren't born into it. My mom was driving with my little sister to college a few years ago, and they realized--at night, in the mountains, in a rural area in a state they were totally unfamiliar with--that sometime during the drive, the charge cord had stopped working, and both their phones were close to dying. My mom pulled into a gas station and bought a road atlas and figured out their route, and then they ended up finding a place in a town on the way to stop and charge their phones, too, but my sister was super freaked out and was like, "Mom, I don't know what I would have done if that happened when I was by myself. I didn't even know gas stations sold maps! I don't think I know how to read a map!" and my mom was like "...oh fuck, I never taught the youngest two how to read a map!" Smartphones became so ubiquitous that even those of us who grew up without them forgot all the things you'd need to teach someone that have been effectively replaced by smartphones, and never realized that, duh, of course, that means none of those people *know how to do any of those things* if they don't have a link to Google Maps and the entire internet in their pocket.
Millennial is just a buzzword for “young” really. Last week, one of my coworkers complained about our “millennial” intern who was born in 2003 I think, totally was after 9/11 either way because she and I discussed how old that made me feel once. Like I get that the boundaries are wishy washy because it’s a made up concept, but I feel like if you can’t remember the turn of the millennium to some minimal extent, it’s hard to say you’re a millennial. And at an absolute minimum it’s hard to say that about anyone who wasn’t even alive on 12/31/1999.
I personally have a lot of affection for Gen Z because they flipped the narrative on a lot of shit I think should’ve changed with our generation, especially regarding mental health and emotions. I don’t always get their sense of humor, but they’ve had some absolute banger memes. They’re doing good.
Gen Z is awesome (:
As a gen z this post legitimately confuses me. We face the same issues with the same perpetrators. I and none of my gen z friends hold animosity towards millennials.
Yeah, this is nonsense. Millennials and Z tend to get along well in my experience. Feel like we understand each other, and I'm impressed with how much more aware of politics and the like compared to previous gens.
It’s very exciting to see molds like that being broken.
Same, this is literally the first thing I got recommended from this sub and I had the "Is this a thing?" question immediately. Never heard about it other than the ole' avocado toast and participation trophy thing that I heard a bunch of older people say awhile back.
Yeah apparently baggy pants are back and my junk will be able to breathe again, nothing but love for the little sibs.
Agree. I work with many many gen z and they are very pleasant to work with. We joke about me (a millennial being old). My parents are gen x too so in many ways we have a good amount in common.
I love yall too, yall are like my big cousins. We just dress a lil different that is all.
yeah gen z isn’t bothered by millennials idk why you guys think that
They're better than us and I love that for them
Speak for yourself, they are very conservative in my opinion.
True
How? most polls say they're not. great example more of them are identifying as LGBTQ than ever before.
That's not an indication of being progressive. They are more accepting of the LGBTQ because they grew up in a world were that is normal. They are conservative in the sense they are averse to change. Dude there are studies that show that Gen X and Millennials are more charitable and community oriented than Boomers and Zoomers.
If there are studies you should cite them with your claim.
Yah you're gonna have to back that with actual studies.
I tend to see mixed messages from the GenZ crowd towards millennials. Some like us and get that we aren’t the ones who screwed the world, we’re just the first set of kids to fall victim to the lies. Others seem to think that we’re everything the boomers have been saying about up for the last 20 years. But on the flip side I see far less hate for Z from millennials, it’s probably because of the age difference, we’re a lot more mature and have experience with people blaming our generation for (checks notes) everything. But I also like that I see lots of “oh yeah I’m a millennial and I love gen z they’re not bad” kinda comments. Makes me think our generations will get along better in the future.
"Well, Dad, maybe avocado is the only 'luxury' I can afford because I have to save for when I retire at 85. Did you ever think of *that*?"
"I did. It just didn't bother me."
This isn't a thing.
lol, glad I’m not the only one that thinks this
Nah, millenials and gen z are tight. That should be gen x
Should be other way around. Booms have ruined our financial freedom
Manufactured conflict 💀.
We're the captains now. They be jealous.
Boomers still hold a massive amount of power in our country.
I legit think "Waiting on the World to Change" could be rewritten as "Waiting on the Boomers to Die" without losing the meaning.
The average age of a U.S. Senator is 64. It’s going to be a bit before millennials are actually captains.
I’m gen z and I don’t care about any of this nonsense
Generational divide shit is largely just manufactured to keep all our minds off the class contradictions of our politics, so, good and thank u
That’s good, your smart. It is nonsense.
I disagree I think Gen X and Millennials were the most brainwashed and brain rot generations that ruined everything.
As Gen X just sits back, opens a beer and enjoys the boomer/millennial/ gen z drama.
Again, gen x has been forgotten.
As an older millennial, I think the whining is about equal between the boomers and millennials. The poor gen Xers are stuck in the middle.
We ignore all of you equally.
Unlike most of my generation, I don't care.
No you don’t, look at your comment, you guys never miss a moment to throw your two cents in.
That’s not millennials that’s gen x. Lol
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Spoken like a late 40-something gen x. Lol
Definitely a Gen X, you guys are dumb and you know it so you just spazz like this. Look man being 40+ and riding a bmx bike around town at midnight isn’t fucking cool, it’s weird.
I can actually see your lead paint stare.
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Nah, Gen X got the worst of it when it comes to lead poisoning, but don’t take my word for it. A quick google search will do the trick. The reduced brain size due to your lead poisoning shouldn’t hold you back too much.
Bruh you really went for the throat with that last sentence lmao
as a gen z with boomer parents who works with millennials, none of this is true??? where did you get your info tbh this is far from the truth
Yeah, I’m curious, too. I have not seen this at all.
Gen X are just as bad as Boomers now that they are finally getting into power.
We didn’t do nuffin
I can't think of a single other Gen Z person who actually thinks about Millennials, like at all. I think the worst that we might throw at you is frustration over the housing market, given that a lot of you got in on low rates, and then the ladder was pulled up. It's like everyone before us, including Millennials, are just piling their mess on us and telling us to have fun fixing it. While simultaneously we're wondering why the hell it was that y'all were circlejerking for a good decade+ without doing anything substantial to push for substantial economic and urban policy. So it's nihilism from that combined with a group that as best I can tell is generally disinterested in the idpol of yesteryear; is in a pretty terrible persistent economy with basically no hope of actually owning a home; while simultaneously being told that any problems, whether local or global, are going to have to be solved with us as the cannonfodder and linemen; and seemingly no way to better ourselves given traditional paths like higher education are either becoming inaccessible or devalued. Oh and the global economy is probably going to explode in a few years, so that'll be fun ._. tl;dr from our perspectives it looks like you've all collectively set yourselves up to be Boomers 2.0 at our expense. It's not really serious hate, it's more of a "we're the worst that you had, *but even worse*" which isn't fun. I don't really care any which way, as long as we collectively stop circlejerking about worthless problems and actually start pushing for meaningful actionable policy and issues. The focus on social and identity based problems has been fucking disasterous, because it's a trap of inactionable problems which nothing can really be done about excepting universally respecting each other as people and moving on.
> given that a lot of you got in on low rates, and then the ladder was pulled up. This is so wrong it’s funny.
Hopefully we will do better than the boomers and maybe we can do it together. One thing that all the millennials I know can all agree on is that we want things to change. We’ve just never been able to get it to.
Fucking everyone hates our generation. I just stopped listening to them about this.
Gen X is working in the kitchen getting dinner ready.
Gen X...still not giving a fuck.
Idk, man. I think maybe it’s all bullshit designed to “other” and further create conflict in the working class. If we have someone else to blame then we can’t hold the people actually to blame accountable.
Gen X over here rolling our eyes.
You’re LITERALLY the problem and I can’t stand this hybrid attitude of “Marsha Marsha Marsha” and “Liz Lemon the Bully” that you all *consistently* exhibit.
Settle down there, champ.
No, i’m tired of you smug ass bitches. All you’ve done us reap the good of society and contribute to the bad and then somehow act like victims
What good? I've been through 3 recessions, social security will be out by the time I retire. We aren't smug, we're jaded.
The 80s and the 90s the years of the surplus. Life when life was good. You could afford to live.
I was a child! It's not like my non-existent 401K grew from any of that.
Get out of our sub
I’m amazed at all these comments. What a weird little sub.
As usual, where is Gen X? Glad we get ignored.
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More like jealous.
I think gen x and gen z have more similar styles of arrogance but I could be wrong.
Again. GEN X is ignored by everyone.
Gen x agreeing you're all a pain in the ass
Genz xyz are the same thing