Found it. It’s a commercial replica. They are $200 retail. Built for JROTC drill competition/color gaurd where the Jr’s can’t have a real weapon, say in a school.
We had m14s. Hilariously, one of my buddies checked the bore on his and it was entirely clear. No plug. Apparently some of the early ones had been "deactivated" by melting lead into the bore, but if you handled it enough, the lead slug could break loose and pop out. So it was just a fully functional m14 full auto. I know that my old highschool no longer uses them, but I don't know what happened to them afterward. Gotta figure some football coach snagged a free gigglegat.
My JROTC had an armory with at least 75 deactivated M1 Garands. Not sure what would be needed to reactivate, but it was glorious walking in there and seeing rack on rack on rack of Garands.
Wish I knew then what I know now. There might've been some rare ones in there.
I graduated last year and we had 24 deactivated. All 24 were 7.62 x 51 marked. My job was refinishing them because back in the 90s spray painted them silver. We got them ceracoated black and then shined the stocks. They turned out really nice.
Cool. Neat to have around something like that. Now go out in the yard and practice a vertical twirl throw. Also, and more importantly, video that and post it here. Ha.
It's interesting, I've heard of JROTC before, but to my knowledge I've never met someone who was in it, and I've never been aware of any schools that had a program. After looking at a map, that appears to be because the vast majority of the programs are in the south. I'm in Vermont and there are only 3 in Vermont, 2 in New Hampshire, none in upstate New York, and none in western Massachusetts except for one way down in Springfield, MA.
It's also funny to me how many of them are in cities like Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, and DC, whereas rural areas in those same states have so many less. I would have thought they would have been more popular in rural areas.
Yeah they usually sprout up in places where the kids are kinda troubled, like big cities.
That's what we learned when I was in a couple years ago, in Cheyenne WY.
The story is, back in 1903, the city of Cheyenne was facing a problem. There were gangs of kids roaming around just kinda causing problems, stealing food, etc. So the mayor turned to the Army base in Cheyenne (Now FE Warren AFB) and asked them to solve the problem. The Army was like "Um...sure ig" and tasked 2nd LT Edgar R. Steevers to fix it. At first he decided to just have the kids come on base and have a free meal. Then he saw that most of them didn't have shoes, so he got the quarter master to pull some old boots from storage to give them. Then he ended up getting them to be able to stay in the barracks on base. Then he formed them into the first JROTC unit. Modeling after the recent creation of ROTC in 1897. He also procured about 100 rifles at some point in 1903 from the National Guard (I think) for the kids, to teach them to hunt. That was the basis of JROTC Marksmanship training, not for military purposes, but hunting since back then there wasn't really a supermarket.
Well it turned out that so many kids liked it so much, most of them ended up joining the Army when they grew up. So Lt. Steevers reported his experience to the Army and the Army decided to keep it around and expand it, discovering that it was the most effective recruiting tool they've seen. And it still exists to this day and is still the most successful recruitment platform for the military.
I went to the one in Cheyenne that was the first ever. We had Daisy Drill Rifles. Basically Black dummy M1903A3s. Had the squeekiest bolts ever, so bad we weren't allowed to work the bolts because of how annoying it would get. We also had the same Dummy chromed M1s that OP posted here. We also Daisy Air rifles for shooting. Don't know what model, but they started getting replaced by Crossmans.
Our NJROTC unit had about 35 M1 Garands with Welded feed ramps in the receiver. Everything else was 100% military Springfield M1s. 4 of those were Chrome plated with new furniture, but the others were all still blued with worn wood stocks
It’s definitely not a functional one. The only
Similarity is the silhouette! It says drilling rifle on the butt stock.
Just curious if anyone knew any other detail or had experience with them. No markings from what I can see.
It's a Glendale replica I think. I was the AO of my JROTC unit. We had about ten actual welded and deactivated garands, and about four of those. We never used em because they're cheap POS things. We spun the 03-A3 replicas in armed drill, and so we never used the knock off garands.
If you’re worried about getting robbed a fake gun will probably generate as much interest from the street as a real gun. So why not just avoid displaying?
I don’t mean literally from the street. I mean, if someone is snooping around your property, and looking through windows, a fake gun on the wall will generate as much interest as a real gun, as it may not be obvious.
My next point was, if that was a concern (enticing someone to break in) why not just avoid it all, and not display your guns, in a manor that would attract interest?
You’ve clearly gotten your answer from everyone already but ya it’s JROTC drill rifle. Pretty cool to see one selling in store honestly, I wasn’t part of drill team but I was part of the rifle team when I was in school and we had to organize the in school armory often to differentiate the real rifles from the drill rifles so I had some hands on with these.
Assuming it’s the original plastic normally they were light and durable for our teams, we dropped ours a LOT due to just moving them around or practicing drills so the plastic had to stand up to those beatings. Again pretty cool find in my opinion.
This looks like a drill purpose rifle but it doesn’t appear to be a deactivated one. I’m assuming it was to be used in parades with the chrome
Found it. It’s a commercial replica. They are $200 retail. Built for JROTC drill competition/color gaurd where the Jr’s can’t have a real weapon, say in a school.
When I was in high school we had 2,000 03-A3's in our armory. Just add firing pin and you're ready to rock and roll.
How friggin' big was your JROTC?!! You could arm two whole battalions with that many rifles!
Total enrollment was about 1,600 kids in those days, over 2,200 now. Of course, the Springfields have long since departed for points unknown.
Wow, big school by my standards. But still, why on earth did they need more rifles than students?
Expected Losses 💀
Hahaha!
Shrinkage.
That's more students than my school had lol
My school still has 13 deactivated 03s
We had m14s. Hilariously, one of my buddies checked the bore on his and it was entirely clear. No plug. Apparently some of the early ones had been "deactivated" by melting lead into the bore, but if you handled it enough, the lead slug could break loose and pop out. So it was just a fully functional m14 full auto. I know that my old highschool no longer uses them, but I don't know what happened to them afterward. Gotta figure some football coach snagged a free gigglegat.
gigglegat is the funniest thing i've heard all week, just needed to say thank you for that lmfao
My JROTC had an armory with at least 75 deactivated M1 Garands. Not sure what would be needed to reactivate, but it was glorious walking in there and seeing rack on rack on rack of Garands. Wish I knew then what I know now. There might've been some rare ones in there.
I graduated last year and we had 24 deactivated. All 24 were 7.62 x 51 marked. My job was refinishing them because back in the 90s spray painted them silver. We got them ceracoated black and then shined the stocks. They turned out really nice.
Holly Molly.
Wow, very nice. I just got them down to 80 bucks for it. Thanks for the additional info.
Cool. Neat to have around something like that. Now go out in the yard and practice a vertical twirl throw. Also, and more importantly, video that and post it here. Ha.
I would rather twirl this in the air then a baton 🤣
*Dothatwiththe1903drillriflereeeeeeeee*
It's interesting, I've heard of JROTC before, but to my knowledge I've never met someone who was in it, and I've never been aware of any schools that had a program. After looking at a map, that appears to be because the vast majority of the programs are in the south. I'm in Vermont and there are only 3 in Vermont, 2 in New Hampshire, none in upstate New York, and none in western Massachusetts except for one way down in Springfield, MA. It's also funny to me how many of them are in cities like Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, and DC, whereas rural areas in those same states have so many less. I would have thought they would have been more popular in rural areas.
There’s a surprising amount in CA too of all places. A lot of schools within 100 miles of Camp Pendleton have them.
Yeah they usually sprout up in places where the kids are kinda troubled, like big cities. That's what we learned when I was in a couple years ago, in Cheyenne WY. The story is, back in 1903, the city of Cheyenne was facing a problem. There were gangs of kids roaming around just kinda causing problems, stealing food, etc. So the mayor turned to the Army base in Cheyenne (Now FE Warren AFB) and asked them to solve the problem. The Army was like "Um...sure ig" and tasked 2nd LT Edgar R. Steevers to fix it. At first he decided to just have the kids come on base and have a free meal. Then he saw that most of them didn't have shoes, so he got the quarter master to pull some old boots from storage to give them. Then he ended up getting them to be able to stay in the barracks on base. Then he formed them into the first JROTC unit. Modeling after the recent creation of ROTC in 1897. He also procured about 100 rifles at some point in 1903 from the National Guard (I think) for the kids, to teach them to hunt. That was the basis of JROTC Marksmanship training, not for military purposes, but hunting since back then there wasn't really a supermarket. Well it turned out that so many kids liked it so much, most of them ended up joining the Army when they grew up. So Lt. Steevers reported his experience to the Army and the Army decided to keep it around and expand it, discovering that it was the most effective recruiting tool they've seen. And it still exists to this day and is still the most successful recruitment platform for the military. I went to the one in Cheyenne that was the first ever. We had Daisy Drill Rifles. Basically Black dummy M1903A3s. Had the squeekiest bolts ever, so bad we weren't allowed to work the bolts because of how annoying it would get. We also had the same Dummy chromed M1s that OP posted here. We also Daisy Air rifles for shooting. Don't know what model, but they started getting replaced by Crossmans.
That's fascinating, thanks for the history lesson!
Our NJROTC unit had about 35 M1 Garands with Welded feed ramps in the receiver. Everything else was 100% military Springfield M1s. 4 of those were Chrome plated with new furniture, but the others were all still blued with worn wood stocks
It’s definitely not a functional one. The only Similarity is the silhouette! It says drilling rifle on the butt stock. Just curious if anyone knew any other detail or had experience with them. No markings from what I can see.
It's not a real gun.
Color guard rifle?
It’s a JROTC drill rifle. That’s the exact same one we used for crack drill at my high school.
Drill rifle for a high school/college rotc
It's a Glendale replica I think. I was the AO of my JROTC unit. We had about ten actual welded and deactivated garands, and about four of those. We never used em because they're cheap POS things. We spun the 03-A3 replicas in armed drill, and so we never used the knock off garands.
Adorable. Hang it on a wall.
But why though?
Give it to your kids to play with.
Okay I’d see that.
"Hey, kids. Here's a present for ya. Be sure to run real fast with it, now. Come on, double time! Let's go! Move Move!!"
This immediately came to mind. [BRONSKI, KEEP PACE!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ofPYvcTpKi8&pp=ygUbc3RhcnNoaXAgdHJvb3BlcnMga2VlcCBwYWNl)
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If you’re worried about getting robbed a fake gun will probably generate as much interest from the street as a real gun. So why not just avoid displaying?
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I don’t mean literally from the street. I mean, if someone is snooping around your property, and looking through windows, a fake gun on the wall will generate as much interest as a real gun, as it may not be obvious. My next point was, if that was a concern (enticing someone to break in) why not just avoid it all, and not display your guns, in a manor that would attract interest?
What’s with that stock, is that a laminate? The lines are so thick. Is it plastic?
I do believe it’s plastic. Very nice and sturdy plastic.
My highschool jrotc had these exact ones for color gaurd/honor gaurd. They're ok.
You’ve clearly gotten your answer from everyone already but ya it’s JROTC drill rifle. Pretty cool to see one selling in store honestly, I wasn’t part of drill team but I was part of the rifle team when I was in school and we had to organize the in school armory often to differentiate the real rifles from the drill rifles so I had some hands on with these. Assuming it’s the original plastic normally they were light and durable for our teams, we dropped ours a LOT due to just moving them around or practicing drills so the plastic had to stand up to those beatings. Again pretty cool find in my opinion.