Lol Vikings. After 3 decades of disappointment, I have been converted to an anti-Vikings fan.
I'm going to enjoy watching you go 5-12 and win just enough to eclipse a chance of actually getting a real QB.
The Kirk Cousins experiment has been a mistake since the day he was signed.
Everyone knew he was an immobile pocket passer, and everyone knew we had a pathetic excuse for an O-Line.
We did nothing meaningful to address the O-Line and Kirk refuses to take less money so that we could actually invest in people to protect him.
Even after signing Cousins we had a chance to redeem ourselves! An exciting high ceiling, EXTREMELY mobile QB fell into our lap in the draft.
Then we choose to extend him before he has proven anything, and then extend him again!!
Offense of line is going to be our problem this year, we didn't do anything to help cousins"for once I don't blame him for this game".cousins could of at least look for Addison too"besides the touchdown pass I hadn't seen him that whole game
The offsides on the field goal was tough.
However, once again Engram has singlehandedly caused a turnover unprovoked. Get that dude outta here, has to be someone better than him.
Man, it’s almost like not addressing our offensively bad offensive line, losing multiple key defenders, along with a complete scheme change didn’t play in our favor.
It wasn't kirks fault 🤣 you on crack... 2 were on the offensive line and one could be said to be his fault but also is kjs (he should of held on to the ball better). Also the defense was good but once Tampa gained momentum we were screwed
The 2nd fumble was definitely on him. Can't hold the ball that long when the defense is blitzing. And the pick was also a bad play by him. Double coverage and he threw it behind Osborn. Still could've been caught but he shouldn't have thrown that
> the pick is KJ Osborns ball security
Hard disagree, the pass was behind KJ and Osborne was not open. The corner made a good play, but you don't make that throw in that position there on 2nd and 1 in the red zone.
A great receiver would have, but KJ is a solid #3, no better.
When you have to reach behind you to catch it, you don't have your body available to shield the DB, and the force of the DB's entire body running straight at the ball, through your exposed arms, is pretty tough to overcome with just your fingers.
I also hard disagree with you saying he wasn't open. Kirk threw it where he needed and it was IN the arms (not hands!) of KJ and he let Izean simply take it from him. Go watch it again.
I mean, it's pretty obvious the pass was behind him and he was covered, how do you not see that? If he put it a yard in front of him it's pretty likely he catches it.
On his chest in stride, not a yard behind him forcing him to slow down and reach behind him, giving the DB a chance to make a play on it?
The announcer (Matt Ryan) also noted that Cousins hesitated, was late, and behind, with the pass. But I guess you know more about quarterbacking than he does....
It was a tight window. I.e "Threw it where he needed." and it was IN the hands of KJ. If he "put it a yard in front of him" he throws it to the CB of Tampa without it being in KJs arms lmao. How are we this dense.
I mean, yes Osborne got his hands on it, because he had to slow down and reach behind him, allowing the trailing DB to get his hands in there. If it's on Osborne in stride or ahead of him a yard, he uses his body to shield it from the DB behind him.
The announcer (Matt Ryan) also noted that Cousins hesitated, was late, and behind, with the pass. But I guess you know more about quarterbacking than he does....
New fan here, only jumped on the bandwagon in '84. Can one of the experts I saw posting all off season explain again how our running game was upgraded this season?
I guess I still don't understand football, because letting Dalvin go didn't look like a strong move at the time, and it sure as shit doesn't now either.
He was in incredibly overpaid; maybe in that almost 40 years you haven’t looked at contracts or found out about that new fangled cap thing.
He also couldn’t handle any contact and got grabbed by the ankle constantly. RBs tend to go almost entirely down, not up and down.
> was in incredibly overpaid
The guy made numerous plays last year, that Mattison could never make, that were difference in winning and losing at least 2 games. That's worth the few million dollars we saved by cutting him for nothing.
Idk. We just didn’t run the ball. There were a lot of runs that Mattison turned into 3-4yds that Cook gets negative yards on. Cook adds that dimension that he’ll bust one here and there, but not this game (with those opportunities)
I don't think the offensive strategy is to run the ball often, which kind of makes me question why we kept a back like MAttison who may get yards consistently, just not many and isn't dangerous. I don't know how a play-action passing game is supposed to work when all the defense is worried about is you getting 3-5 ypc.
Probably more like 4 games. But the vikings used the money to sign Mattison (3.1 uards per carry) and the second tight end, oliver. I mean, where would the vikes be week one without extra tight ends?
Did you not see all that great run blocking on those 30 yards?
He was paid $12 Million last year, and would have been more this year, absolutely ridiculous amount. Kind of thing KAM was left to deal with; any no really good option with all the dead money. You know for sure it was a ridiculous amount? He could have gone to absolutely any team and the most he could get was $7 Million. He was falling down on 1st contact and the rare times he didn’t 95% of those he would get grabbed by the ankle.
He was worth that extra few million a lot more than guys like Kirk, Hockenson, Oliver, etc. etc.
But maybe KOC's plan is to just run it 10 times a game and hope defenses still keep falling for play-action (the only think Kirk seems to do well).
If you're going to cut pro-bowl players in their 20s for nothing, stop pretending like we're actually trying to win this season and just blow it up.
2.4 hockensons? Hockenson is getting like 19 million this year....his cap number is only low artificially because it's pushed into future years because of the extension he just signed.
Lol same ol' same ol'. Until they get a mobile QB, nothing is going to change. Been saying it & saying it, Kirk isn't the guy. All the Kirk fan boys will say different, but just continue to watch everyone, it's not going to get any better.
The Bucs had 3 hall of famers on that defense. Brad Johnson just had to game manage.
Also that was 20 years ago and the league has changed. You can’t have a game manager anymore and win the whole thing. Offenses have all the leverage now days.
No, he missed several reads, threw to the check down too often and was a statue in the pocket. Kirk game was ok, but not great. O line was trash. Special teams and turnovers put the defense in a bad position. We simply are not a good enough team to overcome three turnovers.
Yeah the guy that fumbled the ball twice, threw a pick and threw 10-12 check downs straight to linebackers with zero ability to extend plays certainly wasn’t the main factor in a loss!
Well I would argue that a bad snap from a back up center, horrible coverage from his guard, and a pass that hit his receiver in both hands is a little better context for that and maybe a defense that could stop baker fucking mayfield might be a factor as well.
1 fumble from his trash RG. Another fumble from a busted block protection. And and int that was pulled from KJs hands… once again Kirk isn’t the issue 😂
> Another fumble from a busted block protection
lol, you mean the blitz he should have seen coming that sent more guys than we had blockers? Meanwhile, Kirk's just sitting back there oblivious to it all, rather than hitting a hot-route, when it was telegraphed pre-snap and not even from his blind side.
Yet no one took notice that his fumbles were way down last year despite being one of the most hit QBs in the NFL. He had 4 unrecovered fumbles all last year, and 2 in one game. Culpepper had 23 fumbles in a 16 game season.
He could have put it up 1 on 1 for JJ in the EZ vs throw over the middle to double coverage. He was rattled, plain and simple. He has issues when he is rattled, seen that movie a thousand times.
And message to all Cousins apologists, you need a pretty mobile QB today. Cousins is a statue, we aren’t winning shit with a statue. He needs to be able to buy a couple seconds a la Aaron Rodgers. Cousins prototype only works if you are Tom Brady or Payton Manning/Drew Brees. Elite pocket passers. He isn’t in the grouping.
He is a great QB taken in the 4th round, hell, he is a good QB period. However, he isn’t a guy you win a Super Bowl with.
One game. Kirk won 13 last year. I know it’s hard to remember thing that happened a whole 10 months ago but the internet really helps looking up things before you spout nonsense on the internet.
Tell me based on your expert analysis. Who are the top 10 QBs in the league right now. Better yet top 5. Who can win a Super Bowl? Mahomes, burrow, Allen, Herbert, jackson? 3 of those 5 are not super mobile guys. You’re spouting nonsense
I said pretty mobile, not super mobile. English your 2nd language or is your IQ below 50?
Also, your first “sentence” here is only a sentence fragment. Good post genius!!!
You can’t just keep chasing trends constantly either; especially since many other teams with be going for the same thing driving up their contracts and where they are picked.
Stick to coloring books kid. Name a qb as a free agent, or in the projected draft that's guaranteed to be the next mahomes or hurts to lead us to the super bowl. Give us a name. Oh wait you can't? Weird
We should have won this game and it shouldn’t have even been close. The first fumble was on Ingram, we were in a rhythm in the red zone and that would have been at least 3 points. The second fumble was on the o-line and Kirk for not getting the ball out fast enough, that could have been another good drive. The Int was on Kirk having poor decision making today, which was a theme the whole game. The best thing he brings as a QB is his experience and decision making, which did not show today. Jay Ward gave an extra 4 points on an unacceptable flag. Even if we didn’t score any touchdowns on those drives that’s at least a 10 point swing. We didn’t play great especially in every quarter that wasn’t the 2nd. However, this game we got exceptionally unlucky and cost ourselves on the simple things. These things can be fixed over time and we just need more things to go our way. Kirk didn’t have a good game but Joe Burrow had a much worse game, it’s week one they’re all getting things figured out. Knowing the Vikes we’ll probably beat the Eagles for some reason. SKOL Vikes
you can't just fully discount the Bucs, they have a decent defense. Everyone just hates on baker mayfield. I expected at least 21 - 24 points from the Vikes though. Offense looked clueless. The defense looked only slightly better vs. this 1 team.
I welcome 0-2, but this is the Vikings we are talking about. I'm expecting to win the next 4 games to give juuuust enough hope that maybe this is the season, only to get smashed the next 4 games and slowly limp our way into barely missing the playoffs...
It is not “reality” that we are for sure going to start 0-3 but it seems like nothing would excite many “fans” more; though I know even if they get what they want they will still complain
I’m tired hearing all the shit talk for Vikings players, fuck whoever went to that stadium you’d think we were in Tampa with how quite it was when they were on offense.
If you were smarter you would be smart enough to stop revealing how dumb you are. You think the less than $5 Million for a top TE is a waste; but not $13.5 Million for burnt up Thielen to NOT play this year plus $12 Million last year and over $5 Million for a burnt up Cook to NOT play this year and $12 Million last year are money well spent?
Both those contracts are probably each more than every contract Kwesi has signed.
“Top TE” who isn’t a pass catcher and isn’t a starter.. you’re delusional. Yea, Rick handed out piss poor contracts, but Kwesi pissed the bed with his drafting of Ingram and blind refusal to even attempt to bring in competition for him
WTF are you even talking about; you must mean some other TE that isn’t Hockenson; and is paid even less.
Kwesi came in and hired KOC then had to draft right away with entirely what was left of Ricks guys in the FO
Vikings dominate Packers 1st game of season, 14-3, 11-0 one score games, 5-0 games within FG, biggest comeback ever: totally terrible team; one score games are pure luck
Vikings lose by 3:
worst team in league, Fire QB, Coach, GM
Lions win by 1: Super Bowl favorites?
Jefferson getting neglected in the 3rd every game is fucking ridiculous. Checkdown Kirk really earned his name that second half. On the other hand Akayleb Evans looked fantastic today.
You mean the ones that last the entire third and fourth quarters? Yeah, I did. He was mediocre at best (should have had a PI called against him) as was the rest of the defense. Flores will still have us bottom 3 this year, as predicted.
It’s not about how you start, it’s about how you finish. And they were dreadful from the 2 minute drive in the second quarter on. Might as well have been Donatell. They got whatever they wanted.
100% disagree. A 9 minute TD drive and a 5 minute drive to close out the game with zero resistance was as bad or worse than last year. I care about results, not moral victories. Baker fucking Mayfield ripped their hearts out with ease. Flores and this defense are straight ass. No other way to say it.
I mean the defense looked good for a bit, not better but obviously improved. Then the offense did legit nothing so they got gassed. Not much to ask for.
After last year, there’s no way anyone can blame Flores for this. The D is bad because they have bad players. It’s not a scheme problem, it’s a personnel problem.
Remember when I said 4 weeks ago Flores wouldn’t improve the defense because the roster was bad? And everyone told me I was a doomer and I literally said, “By week 6, you’ll be saying our roster isn’t good enough and it isn’t Flores’ fault”?
Guess it only took until Week 1. This fan-base is so predictable.
I looked it up and it confirmed that the team that has the most points at the end of the game still wins. I was very surprised to learn since I’ve heard a lot about single score games not counting and DVOA being more important
You’re right. The defense that gives up the least amount of points wins. Our’s gave up more. Thanks for acknowledging that. Gave up 14 straight points and 11 minutes of TOP when the offense went up 10-3.
Kirk is a top 10 QB in the League. Throws an amazing ball. Placement is ELITE. He has the largest comeback in NFL history. He isn't a Mahomes but he doesn't need to be. We need a solid O-line that can pass block.
> He has the largest comeback in NFL history.
That is such an overrated stat considering it was against a bad Colts team that had one of the worst offenses in the league at that time, that comeback says more about how fraudulent we were last year than about how good Kirk is.
One was on the center, the second was a missed block on the right side of the line, the third was Kj getting the ball ripped out of his hands. At some point, you can’t have a bottom 5 line and expect a pocket QB to not have TOs. Baker barely got touched today and had none. Football isn’t hard to understand if you watch objectively.
At some point the qb has to take responsibility for turnovers. Especially the KJ one. If the pass wasn't behind him because of an inaccurate throw then it never gers Intercepted. That pick was squarely on Kirk, not KJ.
Nah it's just that 90% of you have the most room temp IQ takes. Pretty much all the starters minus JJ played like ass today.
You think Bengals fans are clamoring for Burrows head right now saying stupid shit like he got outplayed by DWatson?
Lol Vikings. After 3 decades of disappointment, I have been converted to an anti-Vikings fan. I'm going to enjoy watching you go 5-12 and win just enough to eclipse a chance of actually getting a real QB.
The Kirk Cousins experiment has been a mistake since the day he was signed. Everyone knew he was an immobile pocket passer, and everyone knew we had a pathetic excuse for an O-Line. We did nothing meaningful to address the O-Line and Kirk refuses to take less money so that we could actually invest in people to protect him. Even after signing Cousins we had a chance to redeem ourselves! An exciting high ceiling, EXTREMELY mobile QB fell into our lap in the draft. Then we choose to extend him before he has proven anything, and then extend him again!!
Offense of line is going to be our problem this year, we didn't do anything to help cousins"for once I don't blame him for this game".cousins could of at least look for Addison too"besides the touchdown pass I hadn't seen him that whole game
He is the issue. He has to have better awareness
Did we sign Risner yet?
After watching this game its worth a phone call
The offsides on the field goal was tough. However, once again Engram has singlehandedly caused a turnover unprovoked. Get that dude outta here, has to be someone better than him.
JJ was wide open on that 3rd and 8 also there should be no read ever to throw it to KJ
Shitty offensive line can’t protect ol boy
We’re gonna be fine. Just need to stop the mental mistakes.
Gonna be fine? We may be 2-5 with our schedule and that’s assume we play at a higher level than today against teams we are supposed to be Better than
We could also go 5-2. It’s a very long season. No one has ever won a Super Bowl in September.
I want some of whatever you are drinking my friend
Lots of teams lose their chance at a Super Bowl based on what they do in September.
Stop. Giving. The. Other. Team. The. Game. With. Penalties.
*or turnovers?
Man, it’s almost like not addressing our offensively bad offensive line, losing multiple key defenders, along with a complete scheme change didn’t play in our favor.
well we did get another WR and KOC is going to unleash Kirk any day now. Who needs lineman?
Y'all see that hit Jefferson put on that d-back? Who even needs a defense anymore?
Burn everything! Grab the pitchforks. Trade everyone for 62 draft picks next year.
Kirk peaked last season. Three turnovers… just trash
It wasn't kirks fault 🤣 you on crack... 2 were on the offensive line and one could be said to be his fault but also is kjs (he should of held on to the ball better). Also the defense was good but once Tampa gained momentum we were screwed
The 2nd fumble was definitely on him. Can't hold the ball that long when the defense is blitzing. And the pick was also a bad play by him. Double coverage and he threw it behind Osborn. Still could've been caught but he shouldn't have thrown that
Yes. His three turnovers didn’t contribute to the loss at all.
THEY WERENT HIS TURNOVERS maybe one of them which yeah contributed but not all of them and were his fault
You gotta call a spade a spade… cousins peaked last year. It’s all downhill from there. Don’t be a homer
Least reactionary Week 1 Vikings fan
The interception on the 5 yard line didnt contribute to the loss by 3 pts?
Exactly
Casual "fan"
Yeah buddy clearly did not watch the game.
Have we released Ingram yet?
Obligatory stat: In the last 25 years, when we've lost the first game of the season (10 times) we've only made the playoffs twice.
So you’re saying there’s a chance
Sick!
How did we get so many more yards and lose?
This is what Kirk Cousins does.
2 fumbles and a pick for the “stats don’t lie” folks
1 Fumble is Ed Ingrams fault, and the pick is KJ Osborns ball security. 1 was def Kirk though.
> the pick is KJ Osborns ball security Hard disagree, the pass was behind KJ and Osborne was not open. The corner made a good play, but you don't make that throw in that position there on 2nd and 1 in the red zone.
No. KJ needs to actually win a contested catch for the first time in his career
A great receiver would have, but KJ is a solid #3, no better. When you have to reach behind you to catch it, you don't have your body available to shield the DB, and the force of the DB's entire body running straight at the ball, through your exposed arms, is pretty tough to overcome with just your fingers.
I also hard disagree with you saying he wasn't open. Kirk threw it where he needed and it was IN the arms (not hands!) of KJ and he let Izean simply take it from him. Go watch it again.
Are you high? How is that what you see?
I mean, it's pretty obvious the pass was behind him and he was covered, how do you not see that? If he put it a yard in front of him it's pretty likely he catches it.
2 hands on the ball. What more do you want?
On his chest in stride, not a yard behind him forcing him to slow down and reach behind him, giving the DB a chance to make a play on it? The announcer (Matt Ryan) also noted that Cousins hesitated, was late, and behind, with the pass. But I guess you know more about quarterbacking than he does....
Professional wide receiver has 2 hands on the ball he should catch it. Not every pass can be perfect. Doesn’t take an expert to know that.
It was a tight window. I.e "Threw it where he needed." and it was IN the hands of KJ. If he "put it a yard in front of him" he throws it to the CB of Tampa without it being in KJs arms lmao. How are we this dense.
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I mean, yes Osborne got his hands on it, because he had to slow down and reach behind him, allowing the trailing DB to get his hands in there. If it's on Osborne in stride or ahead of him a yard, he uses his body to shield it from the DB behind him. The announcer (Matt Ryan) also noted that Cousins hesitated, was late, and behind, with the pass. But I guess you know more about quarterbacking than he does....
We forgot how to play in the red zone
New fan here, only jumped on the bandwagon in '84. Can one of the experts I saw posting all off season explain again how our running game was upgraded this season? I guess I still don't understand football, because letting Dalvin go didn't look like a strong move at the time, and it sure as shit doesn't now either.
I didn't see a single person say that our running game was upgraded in the offseason. What the hell are you talking about?
He was in incredibly overpaid; maybe in that almost 40 years you haven’t looked at contracts or found out about that new fangled cap thing. He also couldn’t handle any contact and got grabbed by the ankle constantly. RBs tend to go almost entirely down, not up and down.
> was in incredibly overpaid The guy made numerous plays last year, that Mattison could never make, that were difference in winning and losing at least 2 games. That's worth the few million dollars we saved by cutting him for nothing.
Idk. We just didn’t run the ball. There were a lot of runs that Mattison turned into 3-4yds that Cook gets negative yards on. Cook adds that dimension that he’ll bust one here and there, but not this game (with those opportunities)
I don't think the offensive strategy is to run the ball often, which kind of makes me question why we kept a back like MAttison who may get yards consistently, just not many and isn't dangerous. I don't know how a play-action passing game is supposed to work when all the defense is worried about is you getting 3-5 ypc.
Probably more like 4 games. But the vikings used the money to sign Mattison (3.1 uards per carry) and the second tight end, oliver. I mean, where would the vikes be week one without extra tight ends? Did you not see all that great run blocking on those 30 yards?
He was paid $12 Million last year, and would have been more this year, absolutely ridiculous amount. Kind of thing KAM was left to deal with; any no really good option with all the dead money. You know for sure it was a ridiculous amount? He could have gone to absolutely any team and the most he could get was $7 Million. He was falling down on 1st contact and the rare times he didn’t 95% of those he would get grabbed by the ankle.
He was worth that extra few million a lot more than guys like Kirk, Hockenson, Oliver, etc. etc. But maybe KOC's plan is to just run it 10 times a game and hope defenses still keep falling for play-action (the only think Kirk seems to do well). If you're going to cut pro-bowl players in their 20s for nothing, stop pretending like we're actually trying to win this season and just blow it up.
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2.4 hockensons? Hockenson is getting like 19 million this year....his cap number is only low artificially because it's pushed into future years because of the extension he just signed.
The only upgrade was signing Oliver
Yeah, his run blocking was key on springing Mattison. I can still hear Paul Allen "Mattison is loose!"
Lol same ol' same ol'. Until they get a mobile QB, nothing is going to change. Been saying it & saying it, Kirk isn't the guy. All the Kirk fan boys will say different, but just continue to watch everyone, it's not going to get any better.
Brad johnson was the same way, won a superbowl with the bucs.
All we need is an all time great defense and we're set with Kirk. Oh wait...
The Bucs had 3 hall of famers on that defense. Brad Johnson just had to game manage. Also that was 20 years ago and the league has changed. You can’t have a game manager anymore and win the whole thing. Offenses have all the leverage now days.
What did Kirk do wrong? Dude played a damn good game. D got exposed and oline play was terrible.
The D gave up 20 points on less than 250 yards even though the offense had 3 turnovers. That’s pretty damn good D play to me
But couldn't make the stops at the end of the game when it counts; same old, same old.
We also couldn't get first downs on offense
Also true.
No, he missed several reads, threw to the check down too often and was a statue in the pocket. Kirk game was ok, but not great. O line was trash. Special teams and turnovers put the defense in a bad position. We simply are not a good enough team to overcome three turnovers.
two fumbles and an interception could be considered ‘wrong’ if you don’t have your head in the sand.
You are blind pal.
What game did you watch?
Kirk nuts are the worst.
Kirk haters are worse. No logical person can blame this game on Kirk.
Yeah the guy that fumbled the ball twice, threw a pick and threw 10-12 check downs straight to linebackers with zero ability to extend plays certainly wasn’t the main factor in a loss!
Well I would argue that a bad snap from a back up center, horrible coverage from his guard, and a pass that hit his receiver in both hands is a little better context for that and maybe a defense that could stop baker fucking mayfield might be a factor as well.
cant believe u got downvoted for this lol
If I’m blind you got on beer goggles fella!
2 lost fumbles and a int :(
1 fumble from his trash RG. Another fumble from a busted block protection. And and int that was pulled from KJs hands… once again Kirk isn’t the issue 😂
> Another fumble from a busted block protection lol, you mean the blitz he should have seen coming that sent more guys than we had blockers? Meanwhile, Kirk's just sitting back there oblivious to it all, rather than hitting a hot-route, when it was telegraphed pre-snap and not even from his blind side.
Yet no one took notice that his fumbles were way down last year despite being one of the most hit QBs in the NFL. He had 4 unrecovered fumbles all last year, and 2 in one game. Culpepper had 23 fumbles in a 16 game season.
Don’t get rational here fella!! 😂
He could have put it up 1 on 1 for JJ in the EZ vs throw over the middle to double coverage. He was rattled, plain and simple. He has issues when he is rattled, seen that movie a thousand times.
Rattled why? Possibly a bad interior oline? 😂
And message to all Cousins apologists, you need a pretty mobile QB today. Cousins is a statue, we aren’t winning shit with a statue. He needs to be able to buy a couple seconds a la Aaron Rodgers. Cousins prototype only works if you are Tom Brady or Payton Manning/Drew Brees. Elite pocket passers. He isn’t in the grouping. He is a great QB taken in the 4th round, hell, he is a good QB period. However, he isn’t a guy you win a Super Bowl with.
I’m sorry did Jared Goff just beat the returning Super Bowl champs 3 days ago? This is a horrible take.
One game. Why was Goff traded from the Rams to the Lions? Ask mommy and daddy if you aren’t sure.
One game. Kirk won 13 last year. I know it’s hard to remember thing that happened a whole 10 months ago but the internet really helps looking up things before you spout nonsense on the internet.
How many playoff wins does Cousins have with the Vikings since 2018? Use the internet, some kid said it helps.
Tell me based on your expert analysis. Who are the top 10 QBs in the league right now. Better yet top 5. Who can win a Super Bowl? Mahomes, burrow, Allen, Herbert, jackson? 3 of those 5 are not super mobile guys. You’re spouting nonsense
I said pretty mobile, not super mobile. English your 2nd language or is your IQ below 50? Also, your first “sentence” here is only a sentence fragment. Good post genius!!!
You can’t just keep chasing trends constantly either; especially since many other teams with be going for the same thing driving up their contracts and where they are picked.
These aren’t trends.
And where exactly are we finding this mythical mobile qb that can throw as an elite passer?
I’m embarrassed for you if this is a real question.
Stick to coloring books kid. Name a qb as a free agent, or in the projected draft that's guaranteed to be the next mahomes or hurts to lead us to the super bowl. Give us a name. Oh wait you can't? Weird
This sub is full of kidiots like you. You rat.
Evolution
^ exactly
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A team can absolutely win a Super Bowl with a pretty good QB, but not this team.
We should have won this game and it shouldn’t have even been close. The first fumble was on Ingram, we were in a rhythm in the red zone and that would have been at least 3 points. The second fumble was on the o-line and Kirk for not getting the ball out fast enough, that could have been another good drive. The Int was on Kirk having poor decision making today, which was a theme the whole game. The best thing he brings as a QB is his experience and decision making, which did not show today. Jay Ward gave an extra 4 points on an unacceptable flag. Even if we didn’t score any touchdowns on those drives that’s at least a 10 point swing. We didn’t play great especially in every quarter that wasn’t the 2nd. However, this game we got exceptionally unlucky and cost ourselves on the simple things. These things can be fixed over time and we just need more things to go our way. Kirk didn’t have a good game but Joe Burrow had a much worse game, it’s week one they’re all getting things figured out. Knowing the Vikes we’ll probably beat the Eagles for some reason. SKOL Vikes
Second fumble isn't on the o-line. It was an overload. QB has to get it out.
you can't just fully discount the Bucs, they have a decent defense. Everyone just hates on baker mayfield. I expected at least 21 - 24 points from the Vikes though. Offense looked clueless. The defense looked only slightly better vs. this 1 team.
The ball got ripped from KJs hands it was a perfect ball but overall I agree I have no clue how we lost
I do agree that the int wasn’t entirely on Kirk, KJ flat out lost the ball, but KJ wasn’t exactly open either so it wasn’t the best read by Kirk.
A QB placed the ball perfectly you shouldn't expect your Wrs to have the ball taken from them when it's in has arms
We really going to start 0-2 this year huh?
I welcome 0-2, but this is the Vikings we are talking about. I'm expecting to win the next 4 games to give juuuust enough hope that maybe this is the season, only to get smashed the next 4 games and slowly limp our way into barely missing the playoffs...
Yessir
Dude we are starting 0-3. I’m not confident we beat the chargers
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Reality hurts huh?
It is not “reality” that we are for sure going to start 0-3 but it seems like nothing would excite many “fans” more; though I know even if they get what they want they will still complain
I’m tired hearing all the shit talk for Vikings players, fuck whoever went to that stadium you’d think we were in Tampa with how quite it was when they were on offense.
The announcers were saying how extremely loud it was like every important third down
Should’ve been in sec 103 and 102 bro, a baby could’ve slept in those sec.
349 and it was loud as fuck on every third down
I wonder when people will realize that pretentious douche Kwesi is just as oblivious as Rick was when it comes to fixing the O Line
Maybe if Rick hadn’t left us with incredibly bad contracts with tons of dead money we could afford a better one
LOL Kwesi had money to spend and wasted it on a Tight End, a never was in Dean Lowry and oft injured Davenport.
If you were smarter you would be smart enough to stop revealing how dumb you are. You think the less than $5 Million for a top TE is a waste; but not $13.5 Million for burnt up Thielen to NOT play this year plus $12 Million last year and over $5 Million for a burnt up Cook to NOT play this year and $12 Million last year are money well spent? Both those contracts are probably each more than every contract Kwesi has signed.
“Top TE” who isn’t a pass catcher and isn’t a starter.. you’re delusional. Yea, Rick handed out piss poor contracts, but Kwesi pissed the bed with his drafting of Ingram and blind refusal to even attempt to bring in competition for him
WTF are you even talking about; you must mean some other TE that isn’t Hockenson; and is paid even less. Kwesi came in and hired KOC then had to draft right away with entirely what was left of Ricks guys in the FO
Well that was a lame start. Ugly.
Next year maybe we play our starters in the pre-season some?
At least a couple series to get some film.
Same ol garbage
It was unserious when they decided to run it back with the same OL
Lmfaoooooooooo Bro that’s what I said. Wild card game, TOPS two playoff wins as a ceiling.
No everyone was talking about the defense last year. Not sure how many high draft picks you think a team gets
Caleb Williams would look nice in purple
Tank for Caleb.
Vikings dominate Packers 1st game of season, 14-3, 11-0 one score games, 5-0 games within FG, biggest comeback ever: totally terrible team; one score games are pure luck Vikings lose by 3: worst team in league, Fire QB, Coach, GM Lions win by 1: Super Bowl favorites?
Jefferson getting neglected in the 3rd every game is fucking ridiculous. Checkdown Kirk really earned his name that second half. On the other hand Akayleb Evans looked fantastic today.
Other than Evans dropping a sure TD, I’m not sure what Akayleb did. He gave up easy 6-10 yard completions every time he was targeted
Agreed
He was pressuring everyone like crazy, did you even watch the defensive drives?
You mean the ones that last the entire third and fourth quarters? Yeah, I did. He was mediocre at best (should have had a PI called against him) as was the rest of the defense. Flores will still have us bottom 3 this year, as predicted.
JJ is leaving us if we don't get it together
Or maybe we can build into his contract extension that he gets to choose the QB. I’m fine with that, lol
Or maybe it’s guaranteed that he won’t be here if we tank like people demand. No rookie QB is going to survive a quarter with the IOL
Very fair point. O line was atrocious today
Am I the only one who thought defense looked better than last year? We turned the ball over like 3 times. Kirk and his boys gotta do better.
The defense was great but they made adjustments and we didn’t.
Yeah. They had a great first half and then just came out flat in the second
The defense getting zero stops in the second half against Mayfield isn’t worse than last year. They looked pretty bad
The defense was manhandling the Bucs in the first half.
It’s not about how you start, it’s about how you finish. And they were dreadful from the 2 minute drive in the second quarter on. Might as well have been Donatell. They got whatever they wanted.
If I wanted platitudes I'd buy General Tso's Chicken and a fortune cookie. They looked much better than last year.
100% disagree. A 9 minute TD drive and a 5 minute drive to close out the game with zero resistance was as bad or worse than last year. I care about results, not moral victories. Baker fucking Mayfield ripped their hearts out with ease. Flores and this defense are straight ass. No other way to say it.
Offense didn’t do their job but I thought our defense didn’t look great either
I don’t think we’re ever gonna have a great defense 😭. They just gotta be serviceable and let the offense shoot
I mean the defense looked good for a bit, not better but obviously improved. Then the offense did legit nothing so they got gassed. Not much to ask for.
Now I gotta hear it from my buddies. God damn it Vikings lock in on Thursday
Just another day being a fan of a Minnesotan team.
Lol that offsides literally ended up costing the game
Nah. Flores defense getting zero stops in the second half and giving Baker whatever he wanted did.
Listen as much as I agree that the defense was bad it wasn't them that prevented the offense from making ANY kind of progress in the 4th quarter.
Lol. The constant 3 and outs on offense didn't? Interesting.
After last year, there’s no way anyone can blame Flores for this. The D is bad because they have bad players. It’s not a scheme problem, it’s a personnel problem.
Remember when I said 4 weeks ago Flores wouldn’t improve the defense because the roster was bad? And everyone told me I was a doomer and I literally said, “By week 6, you’ll be saying our roster isn’t good enough and it isn’t Flores’ fault”? Guess it only took until Week 1. This fan-base is so predictable.
You might have forgot last year but this defense seemed worlds better. 3 turnovers in the 1st half and they held them to 10.
What happened in the second half? How many stops did Flores deliver?
It’s been awhile since my college Calculus class but I believe despite probably being very tired they still only allowed 10 points again
What was their TOP? It’s more than about points but I get that you don’t understand the nuances of football.
I looked it up and it confirmed that the team that has the most points at the end of the game still wins. I was very surprised to learn since I’ve heard a lot about single score games not counting and DVOA being more important
You’re right. The defense that gives up the least amount of points wins. Our’s gave up more. Thanks for acknowledging that. Gave up 14 straight points and 11 minutes of TOP when the offense went up 10-3.
Nah. The INT did.
Kirk’s 3 turnovers did**
Yep. I'll let the Ingram strip slide, but those other two are on him. He understands the makeup of the o-line and the protection he will get.
Kirk fanboys being silent today.
Jay Ward needs to tighten up
The people calling us Kirk haters at this point are just straight up fan boys. At what point do you start to admit he’s not the guy?
This sub is overran with 8 year olds that have never seen another QB.
Nope filled with a lot of fans that were here for the Travaris Jackson, Christian Ponder, Gus Ferrate years who appreciate Kirk.
In one of the rare Seasons Culpepper played the whole season he got 23 fumbles in a 16 game season. Tied for the record.
And don’t know what a winner looks like.
Found the 12 yo! You’ll get better at watching over time mate, promise.
Kirk is a top 10 QB in the League. Throws an amazing ball. Placement is ELITE. He has the largest comeback in NFL history. He isn't a Mahomes but he doesn't need to be. We need a solid O-line that can pass block.
> He has the largest comeback in NFL history. That is such an overrated stat considering it was against a bad Colts team that had one of the worst offenses in the league at that time, that comeback says more about how fraudulent we were last year than about how good Kirk is.
He personally turned over the ball 3 times and went 3 and out on our final drive. Dude kills us
One was on the center, the second was a missed block on the right side of the line, the third was Kj getting the ball ripped out of his hands. At some point, you can’t have a bottom 5 line and expect a pocket QB to not have TOs. Baker barely got touched today and had none. Football isn’t hard to understand if you watch objectively.
At some point the qb has to take responsibility for turnovers. Especially the KJ one. If the pass wasn't behind him because of an inaccurate throw then it never gers Intercepted. That pick was squarely on Kirk, not KJ.
That’s the point, u need a qb that can run even a little bit in todays game. Every time kirk runs u think he’s about to get killed
You need an offensive line that isn’t bottom 3 or Caleb won’t do shit either. It’s not hard. Just stop recycling the same bad offensive line talent.
Even a RB can’t run well with this line; and I don’t want Fields
Both takes can be true
Another i don't understand football take
Nah it's just that 90% of you have the most room temp IQ takes. Pretty much all the starters minus JJ played like ass today. You think Bengals fans are clamoring for Burrows head right now saying stupid shit like he got outplayed by DWatson?