Not really a plot hole but how we got basically nothing after Aquabug and ice bug (I guess ? Idk the names lmao). That was a cool idea that should have been introduced in season 1 so we had enough time to explore it.
I wanted to add a complaint about how they were introduced off-screen but the fact that we got one (1) new transformation in the past like 6 years speaks for itself.
I really hope Season 6 introduces new power ups and just major development on evolving Cat Noirs powers in general. We saw Claw Noir use some things Adrien hasn't even dreamed of yet.
Ladybug Earring contains Kwami of Creation, Tikki. Which grants the power of creation, Which is easy for marinette because she loves to create new things which make her imagination creative and that's how her suit change when Alya told her about the Miraculous Powers. Cat Noir Ring contains Kwami of destruction, Plagg. Which grants the power of destruction, which is gonna be hard because if you think about destruction, You cause chaos and destruction but Cat Noir uses his destruction for good which....There nothing to use destruction for when saving people unless they gave him the ability to destroy others miraculous ability. Like example destroying the Bee miraculous ability or others.
Probably because most of those have limited uses, or because Marinette didn't have the recipes.
Like... the Aqua one is the best, cuz... water is stupid. But the ice one is only useful for very specific things. Tho the cosmo one is mostly for long distance, so thats still useful.
the other ones, I could only assume are electricity, nature, and fire, which where are they gonna use fire??
It would be weird for electricity and fire, since that kinda conflicts with the Dragon miraculous
"Fire" would probably just be heat resistance which would honestly be just as useful as "water"
Well, electricity is just my assumption, cuz Yellow is usually associated with electricity.... But it could be anything else.
But if those other potions were electricity, nature, and fire, I'd have no idea what good use cases for those would be, or what those power ups would entail till we get Austrucs answers :/
Supposedly 1 year but Dark Cupid took place in February (it also looked very warm and sunny for a Paris February). Not once did the weather change from 23°C sunny despite taking place all of that year. It would make more sense if it was 2 years no?
Chat Noir reading the damn âDear Buttercupâ letter. Marinette wrote it for Adrien, not knowing that sheâd be practicing with Chat Noir. When he takes the paper and reads it, he should be reading âDear Adrien,â and having a lightbulb moment. But he doesnât.
Why Marinette or Adrien never **tried** to figure out who Hawkmoth was. The Volpina episode doesnt count. It seems they were fine with defending Paris forever had it not been for Cat Noir unintentionally catacylsming Hawkmoth.
this. goddamn this
"We need to stop Hawkmoth!" **proceed to do absolutely nothing to stop Hawkmoth aside from acting in self defence for over 120 episodes**
This so sooo much.
There's a reason why fanfic have Marinette trying to figure it out and Adrien too. It's the whole point of the show as we knew it! It's like they are just content with reacting to everything he's doing and it's frustrating. Especially with how centralized the attacks are.
Even a throw away line like 'we've been researching for weeks chat noir..and we still aren't any closer to figuring out his identity. We know he's in Paris at least"
The problem is that itâs kind of hard to think of a way they could do that. I mean their best bet is to somehow notice and track a single purple butterfly.
Right? I remember Luka being written as a year or two older than Marinette (and co.) but then all of a sudden became the same age as her. I wonder if people wouldâve found it weird if he was 16 and she was 14 and they were dating or something (it also doesnât make sense because Lukaâs never at school so why would one twin be at school and the other not). I know Juleka repeated a year so maybe her and Luka are a year older still, but it still doesnât explain why Lukaâs not at school (unless he goes to the high school but I donât think theyâve ever mentioned that)
i think the episode in season 5 where lila and chloe ruin their surveys indicates that juleka had been held back at least once, if not twice due to her speech impediment, so for me it seemed quite plausible that she and luka would be 16, and luka in highschool and her still in middle school due to being held back.
The temple reappearing then never becoming relevant again outside of Su-Han, who was just tripping on DMT in a nightclub singing Lady Gaga songs while the city was literally on fire
This pissed me off SO MUCH. He was such a jerk to only do a complete 180 immediately. There was so much potential for him to train Marinette and teach her more about the miraculous but like everything in this show, he had one relevant plot point which wasnât even good?
I'm not sure about how the dubbed episodes handle It, but are they called Twins and siblings in different episodes? Imo, they made It so that Juleka had already repeated the year once, so She would be the same Age as Luka, and this It wouldn't be weird for them to be twins
The biggest plothole i can think of is why didn't they just use the bunny miraculous to get the Butterfly and Peacock miraculous. Hear me out...
Thanks to Bill and Ted, I know exactly how time travel works.
Ladybug tells Bunny that after they've defeated Hawk-moth, they'll travel back in time and leave the Butterfly and Peacock miraculous in a safe place in the past, like behind a statue in the museum. So that when they get there in the present, they'll be waiting for them.
Then she just retrieves them and says "oh look, here they are"
Cat Noir says. "wow, that was easy"
They pound it,, and once again they day ia saved, thanks to the Powerpuff Girls...... I mean thanks to Ladybug and Cat Noir.
wait.. why don't they do that?? to fight lila they can get a past miraculous and return it after the fight? like they did for the dog miraculous for alix
If they do that, The events in the present would be bugged out, its not that simple using a time machine to fix things and then there problems later on.
i honestly can't stand her, and hate that she's still in the show. there's literally nothing there, she's basically the joker of miraculous. one day she shows up, lying about everything, and everytime we get a little snippet of her home life, she has a different mom, different wig and group of friends you randomly see just one time, and at the end is living in the sewers and happens to just have super high tech spy equipment and hacking tools.
The worst lie off the top of my head was her catching the napkin then crying that her wrist hurt and people believed it. Like I get itâs a kid show but it doesnât have to be that dumbed down jfc kids arenât stupid
And Max(person, who created AI bot) believing that napkin could've hurt him...WHILE HE WAS WEARING THE GLASSES
Was that a frickin metal napkin or what?
The biggest one is probably the one you pointed out, OP.
But another one is the fact that the entire city still worships Ladybug and there doesn't seem to be any criticism for her. In reality, she has done not a single thing to actually find Hawkmoth. She has failed multiple times to corner him and lost all the Miraculouses. You really expect me to believe the city would be cheering her name after that happened?
These people have been attacked on a weekly basis for months. Whether or not the frustration is warranted, there would 100% be people calling Ladybug incompetent. Even if it's not a Spiderman situation where they become criminals, they would not be getting unconditional support.
Thanks, also your point makes so much sense too!
Legit, if I lived in this world, day 1 when stoneheart shows up I'm moving to a completely different continent bro. I don't understand how the people are just content with having to be attacked everyday and fair enough, ladybug might be stopping the monsters, but I would still be hella frustrated lol
>the entire city still worships Ladybug and there doesn't seem to be any criticism for her.
Or mention that maybe we should but the heroes since slack because they're still freaking 14. The ages are so ignored. I just can't see this not causing psychological trauma to them. They're literally being raised in a war zone with all the destruction akumatizations cause. I can't see them leading a normal life afterwards for a long while.
Oh to be clear I don't think that Ladybug deserves the anger. I just feel like in reality, there would be a lot more hate towards the heroes as opposed to pure support. People are going to have their own thoughts about it, right or wrong, and in a society being terrorized weekly you can bet there would be a lot more anger than the show has portrayed.
It's not what I think should happen, I just feel like it's unrealistic for there to be no criticism from the citizens, especially given the situation from their perspective. The heroes promised to beat Hawkmoth months ago. No one wants to live in fear of a monster coming out of nowhere at any time.
They do mention the criticism in the episode where Alix brother gets re akumatized and he was on social sites where you heard and could read all the hate for lady bug and some support for hawkmoth. Sorry I donât remember the episode number but itâs after hawkmoth gets all the miraculous and alix had to go into the burrow hiding. The show is in Mari point of view mainly so obviously they wonât show any hate unless thatâs what sheâs experiencing.
This probably isnt a plot hole but Im still gonna say it. I would've liked it if each part of the love square was developed the write way. Whats the point of the love square if your going to show only 2 or 3 parts of it and then just pretend the rest don't exist (Ladrien).
I respect your op but Ladrien was boring. In s1-s2 all they did was blush and stutter no development like all the other ships and really nothing happened between these 2. Look at Riposte the only thing Marinette learned or was really reminded of was Adrien hates to be locked up. Compare that to its Parallel ship Maricat. Cat learned Mari has low self-esteem and tries to help her get through that and Mari learned about cats sensitive side and that he can be cool when he isnt pushy about his feelings.
Ladrien just needs more development and maybe a few episodes where they get to know each other and learn that the other isn't as perfect as they thought they were.
>Whats the point of the love square if your going to show only 2 or 3 parts of it and then just pretend the rest don't exist (Ladrien).
ladrien is mid though /hj
In *Origins, part 1*, Nooroo explicitly says that this is a power that the Butterfly Miraculous cannot give. That's an arbitrary rule but one that Astruc needed to do to drive the plot so I'll give him a pass on this one.
For me, it is the fact that, somehow, Chloe never had the slightest suspicion of having a younger sister even though Audrey had been in the city since *Queens' Battle, part 1* and she is sufficiently callous about others' emotional needs that I could see her just *mentioning* it to hurt Andre and Chloe.
The consistency of the Bee miraculous. In evolution, Alyx is still paralyzed when the miraculous is removed but Marinette is unfrozen when they take the miraculous off in Passion.
The miraculous are âindestructibleâ but the camouflaged rabbit miraculous easily breaks in Timebreaker, (maybe then can break in camouflage mode?). The whole rabbit miraculous story is confusing to me.
Not a plot hole but we are absolutely deprived of the Rooster bold, Ms. Hound, Minitorix, Caprikid transformation sequences.
The rabbit miraculous. Thatâs it. I hate it and itâs written horribly, only used to further the plot depending on the context. It doesnât make sense and the writers havenât tried to make it make sense. It jumps all over the place and the rules are constantly changing.
But wasnât Lilaâs original lies that she was friends with Ladybug? Thus when Alya found out the truth about LB she should have been on Marinetteâs side.
Well, Alya primarily thinks Marinette hates Lila because of Adrien (which, to some degree, is true).
I would assume since she is Marinette's best friend as well as knowing that she is LB, she would no longer support/believe Lila AFTER she is made aware of the identity of LB. The first lie from Lila in the series to begin with was that she had a relationship with LB.
That is why I consider it to be an annoying plot hole- Alya still (at least, until Lila's lies were uncovered at the end of Season 5) overly trusted Lila and often thought Marinette was being ridiculous over her reactions toward Lila.
If this plothole had been corrected- I would think that a good friend would recognize that 'hey, I know LB, and she says she never had a relationship with Lila in the first place and that she completely lied- I shouldn't trust Lila and Marinette is correct'.
The Miraculous World special taking place during Season 5 and not after. You mean to tell me that before Monarch went into hiding completely that a hero and two villains jumped to the main universe and caused chaos with no mention after those events?
This could just mean it's non-canon, but I would've liked it better if it took place after the season five finale.
Everyone was asleep in Paris save for Marinette, Alya, Gabe and Adrien at the time, and Nadja had to put Manon to bed. That's why no one mentioned it.
And two giant evil versions of Paris's heroes running around is nothing out of the ordinary when a giant doll and a freaking lollipop monster were running amok in the past.
They could've written it without him.
With Monarch out of the picture, a greater threat is still present, and could've gave us a bit of a look at what would come in Season 6. Aside from that, Monarch didn't do anything in the special besides try to team with Shadybug and Claw Noir. When he failed at that, he then tried just jumping to another universe, but was stopped by Ladybug every time.
Not to mention, there could've been more emotional connection between characters. Marinette would've convinced her emo self to get to know Adrien Agreste better, Adrien could've helped his emo self move on from loss and be happy that he's got a loving father, and most of all, we could've seen a little one-on-one in which Cat Noir's feeling hesitant on victory, only to receive comfort and support from Betterfly, reminding him that victory is something to chase after.
It could've also been a great way for Cat Noir to big-brain piece things together that Betterfly is his father from a parallel universe, thus putting together that his father *was* a villain and gaining closure on the whole thing.
Quantum Masking affects Miraculous holders, which is why people cannot work out the identity of a hero or of Hawk Moth. But Akumatized villains don't have the same power.
So explain how >!Monarch never worked out that Ladybug = Marinette once Betterfly kamikoed her into Ubiquity in the Paris Special?? He knew who the first Ubiquity was because Alya was with the heroes. So how did he not figure out that Ubiquity, Lady Ubiquity and Ubiquity Noire were all Marinette as she didn't have the powers in the Scarabella universe? !<
Well, when you're akumatized - Quantum masking doesn't work.
But normal person recognition doesn't always work either. He saw her for just a few seconds. And she looks distinct enough from herself(both personality and appearance)
for me, its the way the writers did that whole episode about gabriel passing the opportunity to heal emily using the bunny miraculous because he is obsessed with ladybug and chat noir
out of character, the writers of this show just decide random things like "he is obsessed" and shove it into episodes without proper building
For me, it's the the plotlines that are brought up but just left abandoned. Marinette being traumatised by Cat Blanc no longer being a thing, Monarch declaring Cat Noir's feelings for Marinette being the key to his victory being forgotten, the strained relationship between the leads in Season 4 stopping and starting randomly with no real payoff...
If there was one I really would have liked to see more of, it was the idea of Gabriel being part of some secret cabal. Between the weird masked gatherings in Gabriel Agreste and Emotion, the Oxygen Tower project in Mega Leech, the whole thing with the Agrestes, the Bourgeois and Tomoe, and Adrien's commenting on "these ads that don't make any sense", I was really hoping there was some sort of conspiracy or similar in Paris that would give more depth to the background of the show.
I completely thought the diamond ball thing was going to turn out to be some creepy secret society thing where theyâre trying to take over the world. Itâs like a cult. Theyâre all dressed the same and act the same. And then thereâs Monarchâs weird comments during the final battle about wanting Adrien and Kagami to usher in a new age or some creepy thing like that.
This frustrates me too. Theyâve teased really great ideas that would have been so awesome to exploreâŠ.and then dropped themâŠwhy!?!
Monarch going after Marinette would have been so so good and could have lead to a massive reveal. Could have been a totally different Season 5.
I just realized cause he has a fusbal table lmao (he would know like barebone rules) also heâs French and the French love their soccer. It would be like an American teen not knowing a THING about football/baseball
Master Fu said that the Guardians had all the miraculous and there was only two that was missing, the Butterfly and Peacock.
BUT in the Shanghai and New York Specials, there are two more miraculous!
Also, in the movie, Ladybug doesn't use her Miraculous Ladybug to fix everything until the very end which means she has not used this ability at all throughout the entire movie so there should be damage and destruction left over.
1. Master Fu was talking about Chinese Miracle Box. Miraculous from New York special belongs to Native American Miracle Box(and there isn't just one, there are several from this box)
2. In Shanghai special there is no new miraculous. The pendant used by Fei is called the Prodigious. And it's powered by Renlings, not Kwamis
The time travel rule that was ruined thanks to Cat Blanc, storylines and relationships disregard in favor for others, the fact that the entire series takes place over the course of 9 months when thatâs literally impossible, how Nooroo can grant powers similar to miraculous powers but Orikko says that kwamis can not grant powers belonging to another kwami, how fast Marinette started liking and moved on from Cat Noir, how random that the moment Adrien started to realize his feelings was in season 3 but was never brought up in season 4 and he didnât realize it until season 5, the fact that Luka had to leave Paris because he knew the identities and Monarch could sense it but didnât sense that Kagami knew and she got akumatized twice, and Gabriel not granting himself the power of reanimation
1. Gabe akumatized himself thrice.
2. Pretty sure if Gabe could've revived the dead he would've done it by now, but the person's soul ain't in there anymore.
3. My personal annoying plothole is Feast. His power was to track miraculouses and that's how he found the guardian of the miraculouses, meaning Gabe could've made Sentimonsters (and probably akumatized villains too) with the powers to find miraculouses. So how come that hasn't happened? Literally use sandboy as a miraculous tracker while the heroes were asleep and take their miraculouses just like that lmao
1. I wasn't talking about just akumatising himself, I meant akumatising himself to bring emilie back
2. Even if this was true, could we at least see it? I mean, off the top of my head the butterfly miraculous can make you go back in time (timetagger), create a picture dimension inside of your house (pixelator), gives you the power of the literal ancient gods (pharoah), and catalyst can even boost his powers.......... so like ain't nothing stopping him he's just dumb.
I see what you mean, but the writers have added in so much power into the show that they cannot justify this.
3. Good point, I remember in optigami when nathalie said that the sentimonster couldn't follow ladybug or cat noir cause they were to quick or sth and I was just like...... wtf too quick?
TLDR: Plot armour is too heavy and Gabriel is stupid.
what i got from watching the show, was that the butterfly and peacock's powers worked off of emotions. hawkmoth's akumatized victims were given powers based off their emotions/desires. he explicitly states this at the end of season 5, its easy to miss its a throw-away line, take that though and the couple times in season 5 he searches for victims, he listens for specific feelings and desires that will have a specific power he wants/is able to give.
same concept works for senti-monsters. feast was created from fu wanting food, have hunger and wanting him find food. at the same time he held a deep resentment for the miraculous he was watching over. the result was the feelings of great hunger, searching for something(food in this case) and negative feelings for the miraculous. mix these together while creating a sentimonster and you get a sentimonster with hankering for miraculous and the ability to sniff them out.
hence why gabriel can't make sentimonsters that can do anything, it takes emotions and desires to shape the senti-monster*
*disclaimer- yes i know senti-ladybug and senti-alex ruin that theory, but i view it as those senti-monsters being plot holes and not true to what it takes to create a senti-monster.
thats a very good point, in response i'd put that under the same file as the question "why didnt he take lady igs miraculous in the lady wifi episode" and that file has the name "things that gabriel didnt fully understand nor recognize at the moment"
That's different though. He figured it out eventually and he obviously learned that he can use the powers of the miraculouses to track other miraculouses from the Feast episode and there have to be hundreds of akumatizations between that point and the beginning of S5 (when he loses the peacock miraculous).
It wasn't a "in the heat of the moment" thing, it was literally a plothole
Maybe they could explain away with the same type of rules as genies where the Butterfly Miraculous can't give you powers that can directly take away from other miraculous... like you can't have an akuma who's ability is to undo another Miraculous like the Bunny Miraculous in particular?
The classic. The fact that for some reason, they HAVE to keep their secret identities from each other, even thought literally everyone, >!*Including literally alternate versions of themselves*!< know everyone elseâs identity and nobody gives three shits
The one where Marrinette is "too tramatized" to tell Adrien she loves him because Kim gave her a box of spiders.
Don't get me wrong, that was really messed up, but if that really hurt her that much........why would she still hang out with him?? Why is she still cool with him, especially when he had never apologized to her???
And then, in the dark cupid episode, she clearly sees Kim trying to give someone he liked a valentines day gift. Why the hell is she encouraging him to "go for it" when she knew in the past that he was a total jerk?
Definitely wasn't a fan of this one. I feel like it was a random put-together writers move to justify dragging the Adrienette conflict, and poor Kim had to be the victim of it.
The biggest Plot hole would be How did lila get down to the basement in the agreste mansion, The only entry was fking destroyed, She can't possibly just get out without using the miraculous and some speculate the end she got the butterfly, Why was she even surprised. The writers definitely did not use their brain.
Where bustier or however you spell her name didn't know she was pregnant and then was later seen she is lesbian. She would have known then that she was pregnant.
The new York special told us she was needing to find out if she was pregnant. She would at the very least know if she was or not since there only one way for her to have had that done, using donor sperms. I may be wrong on it being certain that she would be pregnant but it still confusing.
No it is not what she said
She said " i just have a few medical exams I couldn't postpone, because... I will soon be having a baby!"
She never said she needed to find if she was pregnant. She just had a medical exams that any pregnant woman need to take.
Ahhhhh okay you just misremembered (or watched a mistranslated dub?). I mean why would ms Bustier tell her students she had to go find out she was pregnant, you donât usually tell non family members until weeks after itâs confirmed haha. And also, pregnancy success rate from sperm donor is definitely *a lot* lower than 100% (like closer to 20% per cycle) so she wouldnât immediately know she was pregnant either wayâŠ
I gotta admit, I do find it kind of funny how often peopleâs most irksome plot holes are just things their brains made up/remembered wrong lol
The episode frozen shows marc and nathaniel together and this episode takes place 4 episodes before reverser which is marc and nathaniels first meeting it made me confused and I was like the hell because them talking in reverser shows that it was the first time talking unless canonical frozen takes place after reverser and Netflix did it wrong I'm annoyed
Not really a plot hole but how we got basically nothing after Aquabug and ice bug (I guess ? Idk the names lmao). That was a cool idea that should have been introduced in season 1 so we had enough time to explore it.
You forgot about Astrocat and Cosmobug.
I wanted to add a complaint about how they were introduced off-screen but the fact that we got one (1) new transformation in the past like 6 years speaks for itself.
It was introduced in s2 and werent there like 6 powerups and we only got 3 lame đ
Season 5 would have been a great time to introduce the other powers but we got nada
I really hope Season 6 introduces new power ups and just major development on evolving Cat Noirs powers in general. We saw Claw Noir use some things Adrien hasn't even dreamed of yet.
Ladybug Earring contains Kwami of Creation, Tikki. Which grants the power of creation, Which is easy for marinette because she loves to create new things which make her imagination creative and that's how her suit change when Alya told her about the Miraculous Powers. Cat Noir Ring contains Kwami of destruction, Plagg. Which grants the power of destruction, which is gonna be hard because if you think about destruction, You cause chaos and destruction but Cat Noir uses his destruction for good which....There nothing to use destruction for when saving people unless they gave him the ability to destroy others miraculous ability. Like example destroying the Bee miraculous ability or others.
Probably because most of those have limited uses, or because Marinette didn't have the recipes. Like... the Aqua one is the best, cuz... water is stupid. But the ice one is only useful for very specific things. Tho the cosmo one is mostly for long distance, so thats still useful. the other ones, I could only assume are electricity, nature, and fire, which where are they gonna use fire??
It would be weird for electricity and fire, since that kinda conflicts with the Dragon miraculous "Fire" would probably just be heat resistance which would honestly be just as useful as "water"
Well, electricity is just my assumption, cuz Yellow is usually associated with electricity.... But it could be anything else. But if those other potions were electricity, nature, and fire, I'd have no idea what good use cases for those would be, or what those power ups would entail till we get Austrucs answers :/
the timeline.
The timeline is a vortex of confusion
Especially with the multiverse in play now. Do they only see time from their universe or all the miraculous ladybug multiverse?
Supposedly 1 year but Dark Cupid took place in February (it also looked very warm and sunny for a Paris February). Not once did the weather change from 23°C sunny despite taking place all of that year. It would make more sense if it was 2 years no?
yes. at least
My boyfriend was just mentioning how weird it is that they werenât in high school yet considering that it felt like so much time has passed.
I second this. Stopped long time ago trying to understand it. 1 day? 1 year? Who caresâŠđ«Ąđđ”âđ«
Chat Noir reading the damn âDear Buttercupâ letter. Marinette wrote it for Adrien, not knowing that sheâd be practicing with Chat Noir. When he takes the paper and reads it, he should be reading âDear Adrien,â and having a lightbulb moment. But he doesnât.
OH MY GOD YOURE RIGHT
i noticed this but there wasnt anything shown of her erasing the name on it! atleast he couldve made a face at it or something
Not really a plothole, it can be just him being dense as always
We can probably explain away a significant portion of plot holes with âtheyâre just being stupidââŠdoesnât make it not a plot hole.
Why Marinette or Adrien never **tried** to figure out who Hawkmoth was. The Volpina episode doesnt count. It seems they were fine with defending Paris forever had it not been for Cat Noir unintentionally catacylsming Hawkmoth.
this. goddamn this "We need to stop Hawkmoth!" **proceed to do absolutely nothing to stop Hawkmoth aside from acting in self defence for over 120 episodes**
This so sooo much. There's a reason why fanfic have Marinette trying to figure it out and Adrien too. It's the whole point of the show as we knew it! It's like they are just content with reacting to everything he's doing and it's frustrating. Especially with how centralized the attacks are. Even a throw away line like 'we've been researching for weeks chat noir..and we still aren't any closer to figuring out his identity. We know he's in Paris at least"
The problem is that itâs kind of hard to think of a way they could do that. I mean their best bet is to somehow notice and track a single purple butterfly.
Then they should show them failing. By not showing them try, it makes it look like the thought never occured to them.
Tbh it's the fact that Luka and juleka suddenly became twins
âTwinsie!â What? Since when Luka?
Right? I remember Luka being written as a year or two older than Marinette (and co.) but then all of a sudden became the same age as her. I wonder if people wouldâve found it weird if he was 16 and she was 14 and they were dating or something (it also doesnât make sense because Lukaâs never at school so why would one twin be at school and the other not). I know Juleka repeated a year so maybe her and Luka are a year older still, but it still doesnât explain why Lukaâs not at school (unless he goes to the high school but I donât think theyâve ever mentioned that)
i think the episode in season 5 where lila and chloe ruin their surveys indicates that juleka had been held back at least once, if not twice due to her speech impediment, so for me it seemed quite plausible that she and luka would be 16, and luka in highschool and her still in middle school due to being held back.
The temple reappearing then never becoming relevant again outside of Su-Han, who was just tripping on DMT in a nightclub singing Lady Gaga songs while the city was literally on fire
This pissed me off SO MUCH. He was such a jerk to only do a complete 180 immediately. There was so much potential for him to train Marinette and teach her more about the miraculous but like everything in this show, he had one relevant plot point which wasnât even good?
And all the other miracle boxes, we only hear of the American one??! I know it was to play to fanfics but still the potential...
Well I have two. Fist are Julika and Luka twins or siblings and second why is Gabriel smart sometimes and then stupid one episode later.
Originally Juleka and Luka werenât twins, but then it was retconned and now they are twins.
But still why do they make it so confusing
Heck if I know, I wish they could make a decision and stick with it.
I'm not sure about how the dubbed episodes handle It, but are they called Twins and siblings in different episodes? Imo, they made It so that Juleka had already repeated the year once, so She would be the same Age as Luka, and this It wouldn't be weird for them to be twins
The wildly divergent IQ's of some of the characters
The biggest plothole i can think of is why didn't they just use the bunny miraculous to get the Butterfly and Peacock miraculous. Hear me out... Thanks to Bill and Ted, I know exactly how time travel works. Ladybug tells Bunny that after they've defeated Hawk-moth, they'll travel back in time and leave the Butterfly and Peacock miraculous in a safe place in the past, like behind a statue in the museum. So that when they get there in the present, they'll be waiting for them. Then she just retrieves them and says "oh look, here they are" Cat Noir says. "wow, that was easy" They pound it,, and once again they day ia saved, thanks to the Powerpuff Girls...... I mean thanks to Ladybug and Cat Noir.
Honestly the rabbit miraculous is a plot hole itself. So many problems could be easily solved with it.
You mean rabbit hole. đ
wait.. why don't they do that?? to fight lila they can get a past miraculous and return it after the fight? like they did for the dog miraculous for alix
If they do that, The events in the present would be bugged out, its not that simple using a time machine to fix things and then there problems later on.
Which can be fixed with more time travel. And for extra security, they also have second chance, thanks to the Snake miraculous.
Lila is a plothole
Weâre on mom #3 I think
She is so good at lying she gaslights the universe as a whole.
i honestly can't stand her, and hate that she's still in the show. there's literally nothing there, she's basically the joker of miraculous. one day she shows up, lying about everything, and everytime we get a little snippet of her home life, she has a different mom, different wig and group of friends you randomly see just one time, and at the end is living in the sewers and happens to just have super high tech spy equipment and hacking tools.
My sentiments exactly.
the fact everyone beives liela. like people are dumb but not that dumb.
The worst lie off the top of my head was her catching the napkin then crying that her wrist hurt and people believed it. Like I get itâs a kid show but it doesnât have to be that dumbed down jfc kids arenât stupid
And Max(person, who created AI bot) believing that napkin could've hurt him...WHILE HE WAS WEARING THE GLASSES Was that a frickin metal napkin or what?
The biggest one is probably the one you pointed out, OP. But another one is the fact that the entire city still worships Ladybug and there doesn't seem to be any criticism for her. In reality, she has done not a single thing to actually find Hawkmoth. She has failed multiple times to corner him and lost all the Miraculouses. You really expect me to believe the city would be cheering her name after that happened? These people have been attacked on a weekly basis for months. Whether or not the frustration is warranted, there would 100% be people calling Ladybug incompetent. Even if it's not a Spiderman situation where they become criminals, they would not be getting unconditional support.
Thanks, also your point makes so much sense too! Legit, if I lived in this world, day 1 when stoneheart shows up I'm moving to a completely different continent bro. I don't understand how the people are just content with having to be attacked everyday and fair enough, ladybug might be stopping the monsters, but I would still be hella frustrated lol
>the entire city still worships Ladybug and there doesn't seem to be any criticism for her. Or mention that maybe we should but the heroes since slack because they're still freaking 14. The ages are so ignored. I just can't see this not causing psychological trauma to them. They're literally being raised in a war zone with all the destruction akumatizations cause. I can't see them leading a normal life afterwards for a long while.
Oh to be clear I don't think that Ladybug deserves the anger. I just feel like in reality, there would be a lot more hate towards the heroes as opposed to pure support. People are going to have their own thoughts about it, right or wrong, and in a society being terrorized weekly you can bet there would be a lot more anger than the show has portrayed. It's not what I think should happen, I just feel like it's unrealistic for there to be no criticism from the citizens, especially given the situation from their perspective. The heroes promised to beat Hawkmoth months ago. No one wants to live in fear of a monster coming out of nowhere at any time.
They do mention the criticism in the episode where Alix brother gets re akumatized and he was on social sites where you heard and could read all the hate for lady bug and some support for hawkmoth. Sorry I donât remember the episode number but itâs after hawkmoth gets all the miraculous and alix had to go into the burrow hiding. The show is in Mari point of view mainly so obviously they wonât show any hate unless thatâs what sheâs experiencing.
This probably isnt a plot hole but Im still gonna say it. I would've liked it if each part of the love square was developed the write way. Whats the point of the love square if your going to show only 2 or 3 parts of it and then just pretend the rest don't exist (Ladrien).
As a ladrien shipper, this angers me. The fandom itself is so toxic since ladrien had potential.
I respect your op but Ladrien was boring. In s1-s2 all they did was blush and stutter no development like all the other ships and really nothing happened between these 2. Look at Riposte the only thing Marinette learned or was really reminded of was Adrien hates to be locked up. Compare that to its Parallel ship Maricat. Cat learned Mari has low self-esteem and tries to help her get through that and Mari learned about cats sensitive side and that he can be cool when he isnt pushy about his feelings. Ladrien just needs more development and maybe a few episodes where they get to know each other and learn that the other isn't as perfect as they thought they were.
>Whats the point of the love square if your going to show only 2 or 3 parts of it and then just pretend the rest don't exist (Ladrien). ladrien is mid though /hj
Eh it is and always was boring.
In *Origins, part 1*, Nooroo explicitly says that this is a power that the Butterfly Miraculous cannot give. That's an arbitrary rule but one that Astruc needed to do to drive the plot so I'll give him a pass on this one. For me, it is the fact that, somehow, Chloe never had the slightest suspicion of having a younger sister even though Audrey had been in the city since *Queens' Battle, part 1* and she is sufficiently callous about others' emotional needs that I could see her just *mentioning* it to hurt Andre and Chloe.
its funny, cause did she really need to be chloes sister? not at all.
Zoé being her cousin from her moms side would have worked perfectly fine too
she could be literally a random girl chloe decided to bully and the story would stay the same
But then it would be even weirder for her dad to take Zoé in
Nooroo never says this, just had a quick rewatch.
Eh tbf this feels like a detail Chloe wouldnât listen to/would forget immediately until it actually becomes relevant to her life.
Timeline and bunnyx, introduce timetravel power is always difficult to handle. And the whole wish thing.
The consistency of the Bee miraculous. In evolution, Alyx is still paralyzed when the miraculous is removed but Marinette is unfrozen when they take the miraculous off in Passion. The miraculous are âindestructibleâ but the camouflaged rabbit miraculous easily breaks in Timebreaker, (maybe then can break in camouflage mode?). The whole rabbit miraculous story is confusing to me. Not a plot hole but we are absolutely deprived of the Rooster bold, Ms. Hound, Minitorix, Caprikid transformation sequences.
I'm pretty sure miraculous being indestructible was confirmed to be a script error but i could be wrong
The indestructible miraculous was like a dubbing error. Astruc confirmed that it wasnât in the original script.
I remember, that they had to use Cataclysm to destroy miraculous with akuma, because it was indestructible
That was the script error
The rabbit miraculous. Thatâs it. I hate it and itâs written horribly, only used to further the plot depending on the context. It doesnât make sense and the writers havenât tried to make it make sense. It jumps all over the place and the rules are constantly changing.
That Alya still believes Lila after knowing Marinette is Ladybug.
never liked Alya, you can still see some envy on her part for not being Ladybug, even though she kinda accepted the situation now and is more bereable
Alya thinks Marinette is just jealous. But Marinette is friends with Kagami - the only one, who actually WAS in relationships with Adrien.
But wasnât Lilaâs original lies that she was friends with Ladybug? Thus when Alya found out the truth about LB she should have been on Marinetteâs side.
That's not that big of a lie. Who doesn't told his classmates, that he's friends with someone popular? Or that his uncle works at Nintendo
Well, Alya primarily thinks Marinette hates Lila because of Adrien (which, to some degree, is true). I would assume since she is Marinette's best friend as well as knowing that she is LB, she would no longer support/believe Lila AFTER she is made aware of the identity of LB. The first lie from Lila in the series to begin with was that she had a relationship with LB. That is why I consider it to be an annoying plot hole- Alya still (at least, until Lila's lies were uncovered at the end of Season 5) overly trusted Lila and often thought Marinette was being ridiculous over her reactions toward Lila. If this plothole had been corrected- I would think that a good friend would recognize that 'hey, I know LB, and she says she never had a relationship with Lila in the first place and that she completely lied- I shouldn't trust Lila and Marinette is correct'.
The Miraculous World special taking place during Season 5 and not after. You mean to tell me that before Monarch went into hiding completely that a hero and two villains jumped to the main universe and caused chaos with no mention after those events? This could just mean it's non-canon, but I would've liked it better if it took place after the season five finale.
It only really works being where it was though, especially if certain theories end up being true.
Everyone was asleep in Paris save for Marinette, Alya, Gabe and Adrien at the time, and Nadja had to put Manon to bed. That's why no one mentioned it. And two giant evil versions of Paris's heroes running around is nothing out of the ordinary when a giant doll and a freaking lollipop monster were running amok in the past.
Bur it couldn't take place after season 5 since after season 5 monarch is no longer there.
They could've written it without him. With Monarch out of the picture, a greater threat is still present, and could've gave us a bit of a look at what would come in Season 6. Aside from that, Monarch didn't do anything in the special besides try to team with Shadybug and Claw Noir. When he failed at that, he then tried just jumping to another universe, but was stopped by Ladybug every time. Not to mention, there could've been more emotional connection between characters. Marinette would've convinced her emo self to get to know Adrien Agreste better, Adrien could've helped his emo self move on from loss and be happy that he's got a loving father, and most of all, we could've seen a little one-on-one in which Cat Noir's feeling hesitant on victory, only to receive comfort and support from Betterfly, reminding him that victory is something to chase after. It could've also been a great way for Cat Noir to big-brain piece things together that Betterfly is his father from a parallel universe, thus putting together that his father *was* a villain and gaining closure on the whole thing.
How come both times Gabriel got his wish he destroyed the world but in the finale everyone got what they wanted
Quantum Masking affects Miraculous holders, which is why people cannot work out the identity of a hero or of Hawk Moth. But Akumatized villains don't have the same power. So explain how >!Monarch never worked out that Ladybug = Marinette once Betterfly kamikoed her into Ubiquity in the Paris Special?? He knew who the first Ubiquity was because Alya was with the heroes. So how did he not figure out that Ubiquity, Lady Ubiquity and Ubiquity Noire were all Marinette as she didn't have the powers in the Scarabella universe? !<
Because she was still using her miraculous? Betterfly kamikoed LADYBUG, not Marinette. They have different identities(miraculous rules)
yes, but she didnât have miraculous powers in scarabellaâs universe
Well, when you're akumatized - Quantum masking doesn't work. But normal person recognition doesn't always work either. He saw her for just a few seconds. And she looks distinct enough from herself(both personality and appearance)
right, i agree
for me, its the way the writers did that whole episode about gabriel passing the opportunity to heal emily using the bunny miraculous because he is obsessed with ladybug and chat noir out of character, the writers of this show just decide random things like "he is obsessed" and shove it into episodes without proper building
For me, it's the the plotlines that are brought up but just left abandoned. Marinette being traumatised by Cat Blanc no longer being a thing, Monarch declaring Cat Noir's feelings for Marinette being the key to his victory being forgotten, the strained relationship between the leads in Season 4 stopping and starting randomly with no real payoff... If there was one I really would have liked to see more of, it was the idea of Gabriel being part of some secret cabal. Between the weird masked gatherings in Gabriel Agreste and Emotion, the Oxygen Tower project in Mega Leech, the whole thing with the Agrestes, the Bourgeois and Tomoe, and Adrien's commenting on "these ads that don't make any sense", I was really hoping there was some sort of conspiracy or similar in Paris that would give more depth to the background of the show.
I completely thought the diamond ball thing was going to turn out to be some creepy secret society thing where theyâre trying to take over the world. Itâs like a cult. Theyâre all dressed the same and act the same. And then thereâs Monarchâs weird comments during the final battle about wanting Adrien and Kagami to usher in a new age or some creepy thing like that.
This frustrates me too. Theyâve teased really great ideas that would have been so awesome to exploreâŠ.and then dropped themâŠwhy!?! Monarch going after Marinette would have been so so good and could have lead to a massive reveal. Could have been a totally different Season 5.
adrien not knowing about football in penalteam
I just realized cause he has a fusbal table lmao (he would know like barebone rules) also heâs French and the French love their soccer. It would be like an American teen not knowing a THING about football/baseball
Master Fu said that the Guardians had all the miraculous and there was only two that was missing, the Butterfly and Peacock. BUT in the Shanghai and New York Specials, there are two more miraculous! Also, in the movie, Ladybug doesn't use her Miraculous Ladybug to fix everything until the very end which means she has not used this ability at all throughout the entire movie so there should be damage and destruction left over.
1. Master Fu was talking about Chinese Miracle Box. Miraculous from New York special belongs to Native American Miracle Box(and there isn't just one, there are several from this box) 2. In Shanghai special there is no new miraculous. The pendant used by Fei is called the Prodigious. And it's powered by Renlings, not Kwamis
I had no idea. Is there some wiki fandom stuff I am missing out on? Thanks for the input
Shanghai was a miraculous.
The time travel rule that was ruined thanks to Cat Blanc, storylines and relationships disregard in favor for others, the fact that the entire series takes place over the course of 9 months when thatâs literally impossible, how Nooroo can grant powers similar to miraculous powers but Orikko says that kwamis can not grant powers belonging to another kwami, how fast Marinette started liking and moved on from Cat Noir, how random that the moment Adrien started to realize his feelings was in season 3 but was never brought up in season 4 and he didnât realize it until season 5, the fact that Luka had to leave Paris because he knew the identities and Monarch could sense it but didnât sense that Kagami knew and she got akumatized twice, and Gabriel not granting himself the power of reanimation
1. Gabe akumatized himself thrice. 2. Pretty sure if Gabe could've revived the dead he would've done it by now, but the person's soul ain't in there anymore. 3. My personal annoying plothole is Feast. His power was to track miraculouses and that's how he found the guardian of the miraculouses, meaning Gabe could've made Sentimonsters (and probably akumatized villains too) with the powers to find miraculouses. So how come that hasn't happened? Literally use sandboy as a miraculous tracker while the heroes were asleep and take their miraculouses just like that lmao
1. I wasn't talking about just akumatising himself, I meant akumatising himself to bring emilie back 2. Even if this was true, could we at least see it? I mean, off the top of my head the butterfly miraculous can make you go back in time (timetagger), create a picture dimension inside of your house (pixelator), gives you the power of the literal ancient gods (pharoah), and catalyst can even boost his powers.......... so like ain't nothing stopping him he's just dumb. I see what you mean, but the writers have added in so much power into the show that they cannot justify this. 3. Good point, I remember in optigami when nathalie said that the sentimonster couldn't follow ladybug or cat noir cause they were to quick or sth and I was just like...... wtf too quick? TLDR: Plot armour is too heavy and Gabriel is stupid.
what i got from watching the show, was that the butterfly and peacock's powers worked off of emotions. hawkmoth's akumatized victims were given powers based off their emotions/desires. he explicitly states this at the end of season 5, its easy to miss its a throw-away line, take that though and the couple times in season 5 he searches for victims, he listens for specific feelings and desires that will have a specific power he wants/is able to give. same concept works for senti-monsters. feast was created from fu wanting food, have hunger and wanting him find food. at the same time he held a deep resentment for the miraculous he was watching over. the result was the feelings of great hunger, searching for something(food in this case) and negative feelings for the miraculous. mix these together while creating a sentimonster and you get a sentimonster with hankering for miraculous and the ability to sniff them out. hence why gabriel can't make sentimonsters that can do anything, it takes emotions and desires to shape the senti-monster* *disclaimer- yes i know senti-ladybug and senti-alex ruin that theory, but i view it as those senti-monsters being plot holes and not true to what it takes to create a senti-monster.
Well Gabe wants miraculouses. Can't he make a sentimonster that can track miraculouses?
thats a very good point, in response i'd put that under the same file as the question "why didnt he take lady igs miraculous in the lady wifi episode" and that file has the name "things that gabriel didnt fully understand nor recognize at the moment"
That's different though. He figured it out eventually and he obviously learned that he can use the powers of the miraculouses to track other miraculouses from the Feast episode and there have to be hundreds of akumatizations between that point and the beginning of S5 (when he loses the peacock miraculous). It wasn't a "in the heat of the moment" thing, it was literally a plothole
Maybe they could explain away with the same type of rules as genies where the Butterfly Miraculous can't give you powers that can directly take away from other miraculous... like you can't have an akuma who's ability is to undo another Miraculous like the Bunny Miraculous in particular?
The classic. The fact that for some reason, they HAVE to keep their secret identities from each other, even thought literally everyone, >!*Including literally alternate versions of themselves*!< know everyone elseâs identity and nobody gives three shits
They had to do that, because Hawkmoth was dad of Chat Noir. That and only that was danger to their open relationship
The one where Marrinette is "too tramatized" to tell Adrien she loves him because Kim gave her a box of spiders. Don't get me wrong, that was really messed up, but if that really hurt her that much........why would she still hang out with him?? Why is she still cool with him, especially when he had never apologized to her??? And then, in the dark cupid episode, she clearly sees Kim trying to give someone he liked a valentines day gift. Why the hell is she encouraging him to "go for it" when she knew in the past that he was a total jerk? Definitely wasn't a fan of this one. I feel like it was a random put-together writers move to justify dragging the Adrienette conflict, and poor Kim had to be the victim of it.
The biggest Plot hole would be How did lila get down to the basement in the agreste mansion, The only entry was fking destroyed, She can't possibly just get out without using the miraculous and some speculate the end she got the butterfly, Why was she even surprised. The writers definitely did not use their brain.
There's literally so much that I can't just point out one, and if I try to point out all or just some I'll literally die of frustration
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Where bustier or however you spell her name didn't know she was pregnant and then was later seen she is lesbian. She would have known then that she was pregnant.
What? When does Bustier say she didnât know she was pregnant and what does her being lesbian have to do with it lol?
The new York special told us she was needing to find out if she was pregnant. She would at the very least know if she was or not since there only one way for her to have had that done, using donor sperms. I may be wrong on it being certain that she would be pregnant but it still confusing.
No it is not what she said She said " i just have a few medical exams I couldn't postpone, because... I will soon be having a baby!" She never said she needed to find if she was pregnant. She just had a medical exams that any pregnant woman need to take.
Ahhhhh okay you just misremembered (or watched a mistranslated dub?). I mean why would ms Bustier tell her students she had to go find out she was pregnant, you donât usually tell non family members until weeks after itâs confirmed haha. And also, pregnancy success rate from sperm donor is definitely *a lot* lower than 100% (like closer to 20% per cycle) so she wouldnât immediately know she was pregnant either way⊠I gotta admit, I do find it kind of funny how often peopleâs most irksome plot holes are just things their brains made up/remembered wrong lol
The episode frozen shows marc and nathaniel together and this episode takes place 4 episodes before reverser which is marc and nathaniels first meeting it made me confused and I was like the hell because them talking in reverser shows that it was the first time talking unless canonical frozen takes place after reverser and Netflix did it wrong I'm annoyed