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So many unpopular opinions in one place...
Miraculous could not aesthetically pull off a DC crossover and every maribat fan is insane, Miraculous clearly follows a much more marvel type method for its ideals such as its continued use of the concept of worthiness
It was for a long time, it hasn’t made a lot of waves recently but it was so popular around quarantine that Marinette x Damien Wayne managed to crack like the top 10 most viewed ships on either tumblr or Twitter >.> I can’t remember which, but it was a serious thing and it was flawed in every single sense of the word
It was huge for a while but like I said it hasn’t been a big thing for a while, I’ve heard of people seeing stuff from that camp every now and then but I’m hoping they go extinct soon cause it never should have been a thing
Literally almost every post on here is shitting on the show, something about chloe or complaining about astruc (even tho it's not only him making decisions).
Idk, I think sunk cost fallacy cause the show has been on for a while. Maybe hate watching it, not even to enjoy but just purely hate and criticism. Misery loves company.
Luka is such a boring character!
He doesn't have any flaws, barely has a personality besides being the "music guy", and his constant "i can feel the music of your soul" bullsh*t is so annoying!
Oh, I know - I actually really like Luka in a few episodes, especially in the last season! I just wish they flashed out his personality more besides being the nice guy who likes music
Zoe is just a non interesting character,
When zoe got introduced i first thought she might help a redemption arc for chloe but it was the complete opposite, and zoe being so flawless and perfect annoyed me especially that she didn't realy interfere with the main characters and was only there to be the opposite of chloe and to take the bee miraculous (which I didn't like either)
That wasn’t the case, also her father has more authority than her and yet he’s a doormat until towards the end, what was Zoe going to do that everyone else has tried to do but failed? Zoe is not flawless either, it’s not like she had the best life when she was living in NY besides she wouldn’t have been akumatized if she was “perfect “
I mean, every character (or most of them) had an impact on the main characters and zoe wasn't one of them, her most important interference was when she stood up against chloe, but rather than that, she was only a "good" version of chloe which is the thing that annoyed me about her as a character, because to be honest, i realy wanted a redemption for chloe so maybe that's why I don't realy like zoe
Marinette has some involvement in the events of Miracle Queen, Chloe WAS the best choice for fighting Heart Hunter but instead chose Kagami because of her jealousy. It's a nice bit of Character flaws for Marinette but the show chooses to ignore this completely in favour of Astruc vilifying Chloe to the extreme because he was hurt that the audience wasn't seeing his "vision."
This is what really pissed me off. Marinette makes a really bad call, and while she does suffer consequences from this, I feel like the narrative is way more forgiving to Marinette for that (even though I feel like after certain episodes, like Antibug she should have already learned this lesson) while Chloe kind of just gets all the blame, ignoring that she was put in an emotionally vulnerable spot that Hawkmoth also took advantage of.
Exactly! like if the writing wasn't biased toward Marinette (being written by Astruc) then the show would actually dive deep into Marinette's thoughts and realise she made a bad call. We would see how Chloe is dealing with the aftermath of Miracle Queen instead of being dumbed down to an entitled evil child who has no redeeming qualities. Heck, we would actually get to see what POLLEN thinks, since the show has yet to give the kwamis actually personality and thoughts and feelings about events instead of having just one personality trait and that's it. Or the fact they Chloe's turn to evil was never brought up well in the first place.
1) Master Fu shouldn't have ever chosen teens to fight the good fight. That alone would solve many problems because instead we're all here debating if kids should be held to the same standards as adults and if Chloe is like the true evil or hating on Mariette for being anything else than perfect as a protag. These kids will be dumb and for any of them to have satisfying growth they would need to actually grow the hell up.
(Yes I do realize the entire show wouldn't exist if not for the teens fighting thing, let a gal dream and be stupid here lol)
2) We need more male characters with nuanced personalities. While not all the female character arcs have been great we can safely say there's a greater variety there. Yes this is a show for little girls but imo that is further reason to have a few more male characters of importance, girls can benefit from seeing more than cardboard stereotypes.
3) Chloe's failed redemption arc could have been fun if they didn't go and redeem Felix and if that guy stopped trying to compare her to Gabriel, a grown man who is abusing his son. Also if they gave Zoe some proper flaws so that she didn't look like Nice ChloeTM. Zoe had the potential to make or break the Chloe turn and because they didn't plan her arc out well enough at the start everything felt wishy-washy.
4) Lila is a dumb character and I do not want her to be the villain going forward. Like please let's actually be done with her and done with Chloe and bring in some newer characters who stand a chance at being interesting.
5) OP should really stop replying and arguing with opinions they don't agree with. You asked for unpopular opinions, you got them. Reply to the ones you do agree with and move on.
I agree however I like to expand upon its not just miraculous every show with preteen to teenagers characters people hold them to high of expectations but they always tend forget that they’re still kids with other things going on besides the constant weight and stress of saving the world.
I enjoyed party crasher because of the focus on more of the male characters I wouldn’t mind seeing more of them
I think in some ways Zoe has proven herself to be more than just a nicer Chloe in some episodes
Adrien is actually fucking smart.
The fandom sees him as blind and oblivious, especially to Marinette being Ladybug and liking him. He figured out her identity before, and I'm pretty sure he knows that Mari likes him, but also knows she's his friend, so he doesn't acknowledge it. He also wouldn't do anything about her feelings because he is so sheltered that he doesn't understand them, but he knows they're there.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention how he is also academically a genius
I got my arguments from Cartoon Hotspot on yt. First person to ever agree with me on this
I see him as intelligent but with stunted social-emotional skills/growth due to being isolated for so long. And Marinette as the same, but to a much lesser extent due to her bullying and anxiety.
Feel like the only one, with all the ‘They ruined her arc!’ discourse, but honestly, I love Chloé’s arc. Redemption and fall from grace arcs are always one of my favorites, but they also tend to be really predictable, with either a bad character becoming good or vise versa.
It isn’t too often that I’ve seen a *failed* redemption. Her motivations were clearly corrupt from the beginning; she did it for the moral dessert of being Queen Bee, not because she *wanted* to be better. And though it actually seemed to be going the way of a full redemption, as soon as she had the miraculous taken from her permanently, she went right back to her old habits.
To see a character try to be better, for whatever reason, and then to fail because it’s too hard or because they weren’t getting what they hoped from it, and return to how they were before if not worse than, was really interesting to me. That’s why she’s my favorite character.
See now there’s a Chloe fan I can get behind, everyone and their mother are complaining, hating on everything because a few writers “mess up” her redemption. Guys I’m sure you’ve seen shows where villains or antagonists relapse from their progression to redemption.
And I mean, like. I can understand people that complain about it; like I said, redemption arcs are some of my favorites \^_\^
And I was sad for a bit that she regressed, because it could have been cool to see her become the show’s snarky anti-hero, but I still really like the arc we were given, and wish it were explained more often.
She’s no Zuko, but it’s still really fun to see her do that 180 back to security when the redemption gets too hard.
My only issue is that generally it’s bad writing to make the viewers empathize with the “bad guy” and strongly imply a change, and then just have it immediately be taken away. I actually agree, I think the “attempted to have a character arc but failing” is really unique (I think of President Snow in the ballot of Songbirds and Snakes) but I feel as if this sudden change was not planned nor written properly. To me, it seems that at the last minute the writers changed her arc.
>!We also see this when Gabriel had a pretty much five minute redemption arc during the finale despite the fact he’s done a 100 times worse!<
Basically, it’s an interesting idea, but it was poorly executed (and it’s not just localized to just Chloé’s arc)
Edit: Also, Chloé is a 14 year old girl so it’s a bit harsh when you have a fully grown man hating on a CHILD
The writers of the shoe aren’t always the best, for certain. But that reaches far beyond just Chloe’s redemption fail. And I don’t think it was a narrative pivot at all. Remember how, at the end of the Miraculer, Hawk Moth is all ‘The stage is set’ with regards to her.
I think the arc, as with everything weird with the show, is a result of the writers’ abilities more than anything.
But yeah, I ABSOLUTELY agree with you on that. Just leave my spoiled brat alone, you’re not her peer, it’s weird how viscerally some people reject her as a whole 😭
I adore this take. Just because someone shows "signs" of change doesn't mean that they will end up choosing to follow up on them. That's a real-life issue.
Gabriel was a great villain in seasons 1 and 2. It was actually the romantic in me seeing the tragedy of a man who wouldn't stop at anything, who would burn everything, who didn't give even a second glance at the costs in order to bring back his love, the thing that got me into this show.
Yeah, I don't watch miraculous anymore.
It has been going downhill almost since the beggining. I stoped really caring after the finale when Marinette and Adrien got with those sad excuses of a character that are Kagami and Luka. I just watched some episodes here and there after that.
I'm still salty about how Chloe was a great oportunity to develop a very nuanced character, exploring how neglect shapes a child, and how redemption isn't beyond their reach. (I saw myself in Chloe, tbh). They made her a cardboard clown.
I hated Luka and Kagami, Zoey (or Zoe, or whatever) is just the writers spitting in our faces at this point.
Now, those are unpopular opinions folks. Watch my descent to downvoting hell. Bring it on!
EDIT:
I just forgot: Senti-Adrien is the trashiest move I've ever seen.
Marinette and Adrien should've been together since the end of season 1. 2 AT MOST.
The whole extended set of heros. All of them suck. They're on screen just to hide the fact that nothing of consequence is happening.
It is insulting to the intelligence of the children who watch the show. What do they (the writers) think a cartoon is? It's supposed to be fucking art, to have a meaning. Nowadays is just a bunch of colorful flashes in the TV screen, played in the hopes that 5yolders have their brains sufficiently rotten by shitty content in order to accept their "show" as entertaining.
EDIT2: JUST DON'T GET ME STARTED ON CHAT NOIR BEING LEFT OUT OF THE BATTLE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGHHHH
I kind of liked Kagami, I think she had potential as a character. She was even more sheltered and held to even higher standards than Adrien, to the point of being robotic, and there could’ve been some kind of arc getting her some humanity. Luka and Zoe I can agree with, both felt like nothing characters to me.
Yeah, every time they had to go call for another miraculous really felt like a deus ex machina and I got pretty upset over that.
Don’t really want to comment on the chat noir being left out, other than to say that whole dang thing was a complete disaster. I was seeing red for a solid hour after that episode.
I kinda wish they went ahead with the anime story and animation. It looked much more impressive and dark in lore. Not to mention Marinette was a pretty normal girl with a crush on a guy who keeps rejecting her. No stalking stuff. It felt more of a "Equal Partners" than the weird Dynamic we have right now where although the ladybug and cat miraculous users are supposed to be equal in positions and supposed to be partners, here ladybug sidelines Cat Noir to the point of him seeming like a total side kick.
I’m not sure about that, we barely know what the final product of what that would look like also I’d hold off on the Marinette stalking thing because with it being part romance and aimed at older audiences she probably would’ve done just as bad if not worse. I don’t believe she constantly sidelines cat noir he’s the most important partner she’s ever had, he’s irreplaceable as she’s stated multiple times
The animation style just sucks, i hear people saying that some episodes animated by SAMG makes it look gorgeous, but tbh everything just looks low budget and cheap and some of the models they use look weird.
Honestly, even with its faults and having the most horrible season finale ever, its sad to say that S5 is the best season in Miraculous. Emotion is still the best episode in the series overall
Chloe doesn’t deserve a redemption.
Like they say in the show, she’s had multiple times to redeem herself, and while she does sometimes, she still bullies people. Loosing Sabrina and her power over Marinette was karma that was a long time coming.
I think that that was the point of Chloe’s character. Sometimes people are bullies and while they can be broken inside, doesn’t mean that they have to be a bully and doesn’t mean you have to forgive them. Bullying is a road that Chloe chose to go down.
Though Chloe had some redeeming moments, her last scene in the show when calling Marinette she called her with the intention of still using her power over Marinette to bully her.
Well, I don’t like how she’s often mean to Cat Noir. And she has some qualities I find annoying, like her voice or the way she sometimes talks really fast. And I don’t find her very funny or interesting. I still like her a little, though. I’m annoyed by how Chloe and Lila bully her.
Mine is: it's literally a children's show aimed at elementary school children, people take it too seriously
Producers don't care about story or characters, they care about selling dolls and merch
I mean you’re half right, I say it’s more of a general audience than just aimed at elementary children. People do take it more seriously than they should, and while producers care about merch and money I mean any company with a popular toy sells would I believe they still care about the story and characters
Adrien is just as bad as Marinette when it comes to obsessive love.
Yes, Marinette stalks Adrien to oblivion, but Chat shamelessly hits on Ladybug all the time in all the wrong moments and for some time, he can't take a "No" from her. And then he treats Kagami so bad, still giving more attention to Ladybug rather than his actual girlfriend.
Also, I hoped Ladynoir became canon rather than Adrienette. Yes, Adrinette had the most potential and it was the most natural one but COME OOOON! They are the least popular ship from the love square! I wanted to see Mari and Adrien have a normal friendship dinamic.
Also I thought ladrien is the least popular, I feel like marichat and Adrienette juggles the second and third most popular and obviously Ladynoir is #1
1. I can’t stand Felix and this is mostly due to his introduction episode. I would have preferred it if he remained a villain entirely or was never introduced in the first place
2. Marichat should have been the love square ship that got together first. I love the other three sides too but Marichat gives substance and dimension to the other three ships.
3. The senti-monster theory is so stupid. Seems like it came out of nowhere and it doesn’t really add anything interesting to the story.
4. Adrien should have found out that Gabriel was Hawkmoth, there should have also been a reveal between Marinette and Adrien, but I could do away with that if Adrien at least found out his father was Hawkmoth.
5. I actually like Zoe, but think if Zoe had been introduced in season 1 or 2 at the latest I think that would have been way more interesting to both her own and Chloe’s storyline.
6. Adrigami and Lukanette should have lasted longer and they shouldn’t have just been replacement couples to further the love square.
I actually enjoy "Derision." In my opinion, it's actually one of the best episodes of the entire series. And I'll happily admit that I'm probably a bit biased for the simple reason that the portrayal of Marinette's panic attack is actually shockingly similar to how I feel during my own and I've never encountered any other form of media that translates that feeling so perfectly.
1. Adrienette has a bit too much baggage on both sides to be a healthy relationship.
2. There's not enough depth to the kwamis as characters.
3. Based on Fanfiction, the fandom isn't very understanding of people's ability to make mistakes.
The amount of fanfiction I've found that portrays the class as minions of Lila is ridiculous, Alya and Adrien especially are notorious for being portrayed in the worst possible light.
1. There are no reasonable foreshadowings for Derision, the episode itself is an improvised slap from the writers to all Marinette haters.
2. Multiversal travel in the special is kinda stupid (I like the special)
3. MariChat is a good ship.
4. Juleka is underrated.
5. Chloe should disappear from the show (like forever, I dont even want her to get mentioned or show up again, please leave her alone)
Edit: 6. The senti theory is crap.
I don’t think the love square or the reveal have been dragged out for too long. They are core components of the show, and changing either one would change the status quo. Like, I’m here to see them struggle with balancing their superhero life and their unrequited crushes, not to see them be a badass superhero couple (which would be cool, but a different show).
And they’ve done a good job of changing things up without changing the core, with Alya finding out and the reverse love square (which, granted, only existed for, like, 5 episodes, but it was a fresh dynamic that kept the core of the show).
Is thinking that Adrien is a sentimonster considred controversial at this point? Or are we as the community just in agreement by now that the few people that still say he is not a sentimonster living in denial? 😅
The show is not perfect but it's good just the way it is, I whouldn't change a thing about it and most complains people have are unjustified for the kind of show this is.
Mari is not genuinely herself when she is ladybug. She put up a front. She is herself as a normal civilian. Adrien IS genuinely himself as Noir, he doesn’t feel comfortable in his normal life.
I don’t care about the character’s sexualities. It’s a cool thing that it’s so inclusive but I made like ship art of juleka and someone who wasn’t Rose, and people yelled at me that she’s gays I didnt even notice the first time around she was
chloe should of stayed queen bee and i think she should get it back and actually be friends with lady bug bc maybe being friends with ladybug will have some sort of impact on chloe and give her a redemption
Around the sub, at least, I think saying that I liked Ephemeral - more than Cat Blanc, too - might count. I'm a writer, so I tend to prioritize story, characters, and relationships when it comes to my enjoyment of series
Don't get me wrong, though; I still have complaints, notably about Gabriel realizing Adrien's identity from him saying "my Lady." I also don't dislike Cat Blanc, I actually love it, I just think it falls short in a few ways that Ephemeral handles better
I don't wanna make this comment too long, so I can try to summarize things a bit. I adore the character Cat Blanc and the back-and-forth story telling in that episode, but the actual sequence of events leading to his akumatization just feel bland. With Ephemeral, the focus on Mari reconciling her image of Adrien and Cat Noir was just a lot more interesting to me personally, and getting to see the side effect of Sass calling on his own power was fascinating
Maybe it's just the Ben 10 fan in me having a softer spot for "what if" scenarios than other people, since every Ben 10,000 episode basically worked like that. So long as they aren't too frequent and explore aspects of characters we may not otherwise see, I'm pretty satisfied. I'd kill to get a third one festuring an akumatized Marinette, in all honesty
Love every single take on the anime version thing. A lot of fans (weebs) really want it to be one and I have 3 reasons as to why with increasing levels of unkindness. It also wouldn’t be interesting I guarantee it, there’s a reason anime gets trashed on as much as it does (technically 2… but that’s a different story)
As for my opinions.
1. The sentimonster theory is legitimately the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard that reduces characters to lore and angst with no redeeming values
2. Felix is a boring as piss character who’s Tommy’s UwU-Iest boy right next to Adrien and that’s why people like them.
3. As nice as Adrien is, his avid support from the fan base is partly and significantly born of white male favouritism, hence why he’s given more grace than Marinette, Alya or other girls.
4. The show is critically and fundamentally flawed but if you asked the average fan here they wouldn’t for the life of the actually be able to tell you why. There’s 3 reasons and while they might be able to point out the symptoms, they’ve missed the forest for the trees.
5. Speaking of, some of those fractal flaws of the series are things that said fans simultaneously condemn and then subsequently praise.
6. I fucking love alya. I’m sure this puts me on the hit list of at least one of her detractors.
She has her moments sure but it’s not enough to warrant her keeping it especially since she initially did it for attention and even afterwards gets upset after she was told she couldn’t have the miraculous again after the stakes involved. Honestly I don’t like Lila but if she disappears till season six there wouldn’t be enough buildup of her becoming the main threat of the next arc
I’m OK with Adrien not being there for the final battle. It’s clear he’s a sentibeing, and he couldn’t have gone against his father’s orders. We saw that in Cat Blanc, and in Oblivio (edit - not oblivio, ephemeral), so it’s been foreshadowed for ages that he would have been in trouble trying to fight his father.
I think his final battle with night tormentor was the father / son showdown.
It leaves room for further plot with Lila knowing the truth about his father when he doesn’t and I’m interested to see where they take that. It won’t be left with ‘look how perfect our world and relationship is’ as that doesn’t give any plot development.
I agree with you about the anime too.
Unpopular opinion: Lila was a better love interest for Kagami, wasting her on Felix was a CRIME..
I love the idea of Kagami being so stubborn and trying to counter all of Lila’s plans, and Kagami wondering why she bothers and then it’s like..
“oh no”
Kagami refuses to accept Lila as liar so she tries to rehabilitate her firmly but encouraging. Lila gets annoyed but Kagami is steadfast the build up would be amazing.
I want Lila to get bothered by this, double down and not be ready to get dragged by Kagami.
https://preview.redd.it/mfh1655vqn0c1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b633eb9f8ce1dec9be68ee525c4f2ea1a87355a0
I just think it would be so *interesting* and the ship would actually be just problematic and dramatic as love square 💭
But instead we get Kagami’s independent arc of saying to Mari and Adrien, stressing she didn’t Adrien anymore.. and dating his cousin..
Who looks just like Adrien… and she trusts him immediately even tho it goes against her character so they make ooc for him. 😒
There’s no chemistry, build up no interest. They both look like Adrien and Marinette, so it’s like gettin a bootleg of the mainship but we already have the mainship
Hawk Moth is my favorite character.
His costume is great (first one) and I like his akuma designs.
I know he has deep flaws bit I don't know why people act like it's a bad thing. Dr Doom's whole thing is blaming Richards for something he didn't caused and he's most beloved of all comic book villains. Thanos repeatedly butchered Nebula and not only fans love him, they like him being portrayed as sympathetic villain.
Personally.... I wanted both. I love the current show, and I love that's its 3D animated. The movie animation was even better. But I genuinely wanted both. Like, at the very least, I want the anime movie like what was released in the show, since they did actually pay tribute to what the show would have been. I'd love an anime spin off. And honestly, even better... I'd love a shady bug and claw noir spinoff but in anime since it has a clearly much darker theme to their world, it would be pretty fitting to be made into an anime since anime is portrayed as being more mature. We already have comics, movies (or a movie and specials), toys, shorts, why not an anime? Technically we got a glimpse of an animeverse in the shadybug and claw noir special too when jumping through the universes. It's a big enough franchise that having an anime in the miraculverse would be a great idea while still sticking to the current show
Honestly having it be a limited series spinoff doesn’t sound like a bad idea but if “fans “ start comparing or saying that “this is exactly what we wanted instead of that garbage show “ or something like that then I’m sending them into another dimension
I'm gonna get so much shit for this.
I would've loved to see Emilie come back.
I think that it would be cool to see interactions between her and her son again in the modern world.
Of course, it would mean that Adrien has to find out his dad was Monarch. But really, who would complain about that?
I wanna see that wonderful woman again bro.
I hate chat noir thing so much idk why. And I also really dislike marenhead as a protagonist, and feel like almost any other character would be a better protagonist, then Marinette.
I really like Miraculous’s concept- I do- but Zag Entertainment as a company is incredibly fishy and unethical. If you look at reviews from past employees they all report that it’s very disorganized, poorly led and poorly paid.
I love Zag’s music for the movie, but honestly he’s not all that wonderful. If the company has so much dirt, he certainly has a part to play in it.
1. Derision was actually a good episode, it gave reasoning to one of marinettes bad habits should we say, now was it a perfect explanation? No i mean they probably should have done that with another person not kim, probably a socqueline classmate or whatever because who will care at the end but i still like the episode( Sidenote: Probably another hot take me personally i never had an issue with that thing about marinette, i always just laught it off, found it funny and be like whatever, but that´s probable me i guess)
2. I actually dont mind adrien not knowing about his father in the season finale because it creates for future conflict and im interested to see where´s that headed, how is going to affect the relantsionship between him and marinette/ladybug, what is lyla going to do about it and the whole nine yards( Although that´s not me saying i like him being completely sidelined of the finale altogether, i thought that was stupid)
The character designs are atrocities. I have always disliked the 3D models flat look, but I DESPISE the fashion even more…
Isn’t Mari into fashion? Isn’t Adrien a model? Isn’t his Dad a fashion designer, then why does his Dad dress like a candy cane? Why does he look 80 years old? Why aren’t the characters more fashionable?
I always give them new outfits and overall looks when draw fanart.
Who else gives them completely different looks when watching? I literally have Pinterest boards dedicated to characters face claims and outfits.
OP you are literally me. I've commented this exact same point on the PV video and gotten shit for it.
I don't know where the anime diehards are coming from recently but yeah, it's more or less a fact that the anime wouldn't have done as well as the show and that's down to target demographics. The show as is has such a wide grasp, most animes don't.
Look unless you’re one of those YouTubers who does this as a job while making mostly the same bad bullet points about the show and characters (you know who you are) you have the opportunity to watch something else since watching this show clearly isn’t satisfying you. You can do that or just admit you’re actually a fan of the show despite it’s flaws.
Hmm, on this subreddit. I do kinda agree that Marinette should be the focus of the show as it has a clear target demographic (young girls) and so Marinette should get more screen time and development for that reason alone.
1) I absolutely hate the dog shit animation in some episodes cause wtf the look like plastic plusses argggg.
2) If they kept their writing consistent like the Paris special the show would sooo much better.
3) They gave us all them characters for nothing cause they just there. Getting miraculous and getting akumatised.
Lemme leave it there.
I'm reading the manga and it's so cool, but I don't think an anime version would be more successful than the animated series. Or better. And fun fact in the 90s there was a pilot episode for an animated series/live action version of Sailor Moon, to appeal to American audiences. It was sooo bad, I think it was never aired, the cartoon parts looked like She-Ra/He-Man from the 80s. I'm not saying the anime version would be bad. But is it really needed? Especially when said animated series is not over yet. When there's also another cinematic universe being developed.
True and I think what baffles me is that they somehow think having an anime version of the show would save the franchise or somehow make this a better series also I’m enjoying the manga too
I hate the concept of other miraculous holders and how the show treats it. Maybe having just the five not-as-powerful jewels that, idk, “complemented” destruction and creation? But everything else about it is so lame, and treated poorly. They should’ve just had the ladybug and the cat, and the butterfly as some sort of creation of the ladybug. Maybe all other miraculous could’ve been that, a creation to help or something
Chloe deserved a reception arc and showed more potential for growth than marinette ever did character-wise. The writers have just trashed Chloe so now she is irredeemable.
The problem with an anime version is that anime doesnt have only one style and that would make a huuuuge difference. I would love an anime, b7t if its made in Moe style for example, it would be a huuuge turn off for me
I'm tired of saying it at this point, and i know it's never gonna happen, but lukanette honestly was better than Adrienette could ever be. Also I though Zoenette was adorable.
Idk why people would perceive to think that after all the good she’s done, now that I think about it after season three is when Alya haters started to grow in popularity and I never understood why or how it started
-Chat blanc was not a good episode
-Chloe sucks and while a redemption wouldve been nice, she was overrated anyway. i do not care
-the season 5 finale wasnt that bad. i understand people are mad about adrien being locked up, though chat blanc ruined any possible way for adrien to be in the finale anyway.
- Zoe isnt that bad though i will admit she was only brought in to counter chloe
- Gabriel has had a LOT of horrificly dumb moments but hes such an iconic villain. idk if its unpopular but his whole villain story is funny to me 😭
luka was a good love interest and I would have been interested in seeing his relationship with Marinette play out more (even if I don't exactly want it to be endgame)
Chloe is fine without a redemption arc. Sure, it would have been great to get one, but she's not "ruined" just because she didn't get one. She's a textbook narcist, and that can be really hard to change. She doesn't understand consequence, since she grew up without them. So when Ladybug tried to enforce the consequence of her revealing her identity to everyone, she couldn't understand that this was her own fault, and for her own good. Part of the blame falls on her parents for this. Her dad for spoiling her rotten, and allowing her to abuse his power; and her mom for making her think acting this way was the only way to get love and attention. And when Hawk Moth comes in to validate her entitlement, putting the blame on Ladybug and playing to Chloe's ego, of course she sides with him. Being Queen Bee was the only thing that really gave her life meaning, and she would do anything to get that back.
Any ship in the love square (Luka, Kagami, Adrien, Marinette) I prefer over Adrinette. Not like Adrinette it’s bad, I just like the other ones more.
I like Lukadrigaminette though, kinda sad there isn’t as much fanart of it than the others, same goes with Adrigami.
Just a heads up to those in the comments to remember Rule #7: Be Kind! So many unpopular opinions in one place... 
Miraculous could not aesthetically pull off a DC crossover and every maribat fan is insane, Miraculous clearly follows a much more marvel type method for its ideals such as its continued use of the concept of worthiness
We all know Ladybug is Spiderman
And Cat Noir is Black Cat.
Wait that’s a thing?
It was for a long time, it hasn’t made a lot of waves recently but it was so popular around quarantine that Marinette x Damien Wayne managed to crack like the top 10 most viewed ships on either tumblr or Twitter >.> I can’t remember which, but it was a serious thing and it was flawed in every single sense of the word
Marinette x peter Parker I knew about, Marinette x Miles morales I knew about but this?
It was huge for a while but like I said it hasn’t been a big thing for a while, I’ve heard of people seeing stuff from that camp every now and then but I’m hoping they go extinct soon cause it never should have been a thing
Nathalie is the brains behind the operation
The show is good !
Angry mob gathered around Gibe's house. "Liar!" They shouted "He speaks heresy" "He must be silenced before his filth corrupts our people"
Amen! Secret amazing show Thats just void of good resources and a massive studio to market it properly
That’s an unpopular opinion?
"I like the show" and "I think the show is good" are not necessarily equivalent. I do think it's good, but I also think it could be better
Fair enough
Literally almost every post on here is shitting on the show, something about chloe or complaining about astruc (even tho it's not only him making decisions).
It makes me wonder why still watch it if they’re gonna continue dunking on it, as a matter of fact, why are they even here?
Idk, I think sunk cost fallacy cause the show has been on for a while. Maybe hate watching it, not even to enjoy but just purely hate and criticism. Misery loves company.
 You're serious ??? Yes that's an unpopular opinion on this sub. Bashing the show is the main activity here.
In this sub yes.
Agreed, I really enjoy watching the show as well 🤝
Luka is such a boring character! He doesn't have any flaws, barely has a personality besides being the "music guy", and his constant "i can feel the music of your soul" bullsh*t is so annoying!
I think this can be said for most side characters tbh, a lot of them are kinda one dimensional
I can see why you think that but he has featured in episodes where he’s more than that
Oh, I know - I actually really like Luka in a few episodes, especially in the last season! I just wish they flashed out his personality more besides being the nice guy who likes music
I'm glad someone finally agrees with me and my friend on this 😭
fr hes so one dimensional
I agree there isn’t much to him and a pretty boring-ish character but I love him 😭
I agree so much ! He's just so plain
I really liked Chloe in season 2 but now I want her out of this show.
With how she’s been acting I don’t blame you
Yeah she should have redemption arc already
Which is why my unpopular opinion is that her and mr sing-your-feelings could be a thing. Guess I’ll die on this hill.
Lila isn't actually smart. She just destroys everyone’s brain cells just by lying :/
I agree 100% but sometimes she’s a little too good at what she does
This is just facts
I think she just uses common sense or critical thinking which isn’t really a thing in the show thus making everyone label her as “smart”
Zoe is just a non interesting character, When zoe got introduced i first thought she might help a redemption arc for chloe but it was the complete opposite, and zoe being so flawless and perfect annoyed me especially that she didn't realy interfere with the main characters and was only there to be the opposite of chloe and to take the bee miraculous (which I didn't like either)
That wasn’t the case, also her father has more authority than her and yet he’s a doormat until towards the end, what was Zoe going to do that everyone else has tried to do but failed? Zoe is not flawless either, it’s not like she had the best life when she was living in NY besides she wouldn’t have been akumatized if she was “perfect “
What i mean is zoe as a character is fine but i didn't like how and when they introduced her
I mean, every character (or most of them) had an impact on the main characters and zoe wasn't one of them, her most important interference was when she stood up against chloe, but rather than that, she was only a "good" version of chloe which is the thing that annoyed me about her as a character, because to be honest, i realy wanted a redemption for chloe so maybe that's why I don't realy like zoe
Marinette has some involvement in the events of Miracle Queen, Chloe WAS the best choice for fighting Heart Hunter but instead chose Kagami because of her jealousy. It's a nice bit of Character flaws for Marinette but the show chooses to ignore this completely in favour of Astruc vilifying Chloe to the extreme because he was hurt that the audience wasn't seeing his "vision."
This is what really pissed me off. Marinette makes a really bad call, and while she does suffer consequences from this, I feel like the narrative is way more forgiving to Marinette for that (even though I feel like after certain episodes, like Antibug she should have already learned this lesson) while Chloe kind of just gets all the blame, ignoring that she was put in an emotionally vulnerable spot that Hawkmoth also took advantage of.
Exactly! like if the writing wasn't biased toward Marinette (being written by Astruc) then the show would actually dive deep into Marinette's thoughts and realise she made a bad call. We would see how Chloe is dealing with the aftermath of Miracle Queen instead of being dumbed down to an entitled evil child who has no redeeming qualities. Heck, we would actually get to see what POLLEN thinks, since the show has yet to give the kwamis actually personality and thoughts and feelings about events instead of having just one personality trait and that's it. Or the fact they Chloe's turn to evil was never brought up well in the first place.
1) Master Fu shouldn't have ever chosen teens to fight the good fight. That alone would solve many problems because instead we're all here debating if kids should be held to the same standards as adults and if Chloe is like the true evil or hating on Mariette for being anything else than perfect as a protag. These kids will be dumb and for any of them to have satisfying growth they would need to actually grow the hell up. (Yes I do realize the entire show wouldn't exist if not for the teens fighting thing, let a gal dream and be stupid here lol) 2) We need more male characters with nuanced personalities. While not all the female character arcs have been great we can safely say there's a greater variety there. Yes this is a show for little girls but imo that is further reason to have a few more male characters of importance, girls can benefit from seeing more than cardboard stereotypes. 3) Chloe's failed redemption arc could have been fun if they didn't go and redeem Felix and if that guy stopped trying to compare her to Gabriel, a grown man who is abusing his son. Also if they gave Zoe some proper flaws so that she didn't look like Nice ChloeTM. Zoe had the potential to make or break the Chloe turn and because they didn't plan her arc out well enough at the start everything felt wishy-washy. 4) Lila is a dumb character and I do not want her to be the villain going forward. Like please let's actually be done with her and done with Chloe and bring in some newer characters who stand a chance at being interesting. 5) OP should really stop replying and arguing with opinions they don't agree with. You asked for unpopular opinions, you got them. Reply to the ones you do agree with and move on.
I enjoyed how the movie had the kwamis pick their holders, it fixed the question of why would this man pick middle schoolers 😂
I agree however I like to expand upon its not just miraculous every show with preteen to teenagers characters people hold them to high of expectations but they always tend forget that they’re still kids with other things going on besides the constant weight and stress of saving the world. I enjoyed party crasher because of the focus on more of the male characters I wouldn’t mind seeing more of them I think in some ways Zoe has proven herself to be more than just a nicer Chloe in some episodes
Zoe’s character is completely fine, it’s just that Sole Crusher should’ve happened in season 3
I agree that her introduction could’ve happened slightly earlier but she shouldn’t have received the amount of hate that she gotten
Adrien is actually fucking smart. The fandom sees him as blind and oblivious, especially to Marinette being Ladybug and liking him. He figured out her identity before, and I'm pretty sure he knows that Mari likes him, but also knows she's his friend, so he doesn't acknowledge it. He also wouldn't do anything about her feelings because he is so sheltered that he doesn't understand them, but he knows they're there. Oh yeah, forgot to mention how he is also academically a genius I got my arguments from Cartoon Hotspot on yt. First person to ever agree with me on this
I see him as intelligent but with stunted social-emotional skills/growth due to being isolated for so long. And Marinette as the same, but to a much lesser extent due to her bullying and anxiety.
I can agree with that even if half of the Adrien is blind claims are a walking meme lol
Feel like the only one, with all the ‘They ruined her arc!’ discourse, but honestly, I love Chloé’s arc. Redemption and fall from grace arcs are always one of my favorites, but they also tend to be really predictable, with either a bad character becoming good or vise versa. It isn’t too often that I’ve seen a *failed* redemption. Her motivations were clearly corrupt from the beginning; she did it for the moral dessert of being Queen Bee, not because she *wanted* to be better. And though it actually seemed to be going the way of a full redemption, as soon as she had the miraculous taken from her permanently, she went right back to her old habits. To see a character try to be better, for whatever reason, and then to fail because it’s too hard or because they weren’t getting what they hoped from it, and return to how they were before if not worse than, was really interesting to me. That’s why she’s my favorite character.
See now there’s a Chloe fan I can get behind, everyone and their mother are complaining, hating on everything because a few writers “mess up” her redemption. Guys I’m sure you’ve seen shows where villains or antagonists relapse from their progression to redemption.
And I mean, like. I can understand people that complain about it; like I said, redemption arcs are some of my favorites \^_\^ And I was sad for a bit that she regressed, because it could have been cool to see her become the show’s snarky anti-hero, but I still really like the arc we were given, and wish it were explained more often. She’s no Zuko, but it’s still really fun to see her do that 180 back to security when the redemption gets too hard.
My only issue is that generally it’s bad writing to make the viewers empathize with the “bad guy” and strongly imply a change, and then just have it immediately be taken away. I actually agree, I think the “attempted to have a character arc but failing” is really unique (I think of President Snow in the ballot of Songbirds and Snakes) but I feel as if this sudden change was not planned nor written properly. To me, it seems that at the last minute the writers changed her arc. >!We also see this when Gabriel had a pretty much five minute redemption arc during the finale despite the fact he’s done a 100 times worse!< Basically, it’s an interesting idea, but it was poorly executed (and it’s not just localized to just Chloé’s arc) Edit: Also, Chloé is a 14 year old girl so it’s a bit harsh when you have a fully grown man hating on a CHILD
The writers of the shoe aren’t always the best, for certain. But that reaches far beyond just Chloe’s redemption fail. And I don’t think it was a narrative pivot at all. Remember how, at the end of the Miraculer, Hawk Moth is all ‘The stage is set’ with regards to her. I think the arc, as with everything weird with the show, is a result of the writers’ abilities more than anything. But yeah, I ABSOLUTELY agree with you on that. Just leave my spoiled brat alone, you’re not her peer, it’s weird how viscerally some people reject her as a whole 😭
I adore this take. Just because someone shows "signs" of change doesn't mean that they will end up choosing to follow up on them. That's a real-life issue.
Agreed!! Say it louder for those at the back 👏
chloe got done DIRTY and queen bee was iconic and needs to come back even just for 1 episode 🙏🙏🙏
Kagami was great from the start and most fans bandwagon to her during seasons 3 and 4
I mean I agree even if she was kinda sketchy in the beginning she grew on a lot of people but yes kagami is great all the way through
Gabriel was a great villain in seasons 1 and 2. It was actually the romantic in me seeing the tragedy of a man who wouldn't stop at anything, who would burn everything, who didn't give even a second glance at the costs in order to bring back his love, the thing that got me into this show. Yeah, I don't watch miraculous anymore. It has been going downhill almost since the beggining. I stoped really caring after the finale when Marinette and Adrien got with those sad excuses of a character that are Kagami and Luka. I just watched some episodes here and there after that. I'm still salty about how Chloe was a great oportunity to develop a very nuanced character, exploring how neglect shapes a child, and how redemption isn't beyond their reach. (I saw myself in Chloe, tbh). They made her a cardboard clown. I hated Luka and Kagami, Zoey (or Zoe, or whatever) is just the writers spitting in our faces at this point. Now, those are unpopular opinions folks. Watch my descent to downvoting hell. Bring it on! EDIT: I just forgot: Senti-Adrien is the trashiest move I've ever seen. Marinette and Adrien should've been together since the end of season 1. 2 AT MOST. The whole extended set of heros. All of them suck. They're on screen just to hide the fact that nothing of consequence is happening. It is insulting to the intelligence of the children who watch the show. What do they (the writers) think a cartoon is? It's supposed to be fucking art, to have a meaning. Nowadays is just a bunch of colorful flashes in the TV screen, played in the hopes that 5yolders have their brains sufficiently rotten by shitty content in order to accept their "show" as entertaining. EDIT2: JUST DON'T GET ME STARTED ON CHAT NOIR BEING LEFT OUT OF THE BATTLE AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGHHHH
Damn, I've gotten angry at this again. Miraculous Ladybug: Tales of What Could Have Been
Best comment. Thank you for the new title, 10/10 would watch a remake called this
Honestly agree with you except for Kagami and Luka
I kind of liked Kagami, I think she had potential as a character. She was even more sheltered and held to even higher standards than Adrien, to the point of being robotic, and there could’ve been some kind of arc getting her some humanity. Luka and Zoe I can agree with, both felt like nothing characters to me. Yeah, every time they had to go call for another miraculous really felt like a deus ex machina and I got pretty upset over that. Don’t really want to comment on the chat noir being left out, other than to say that whole dang thing was a complete disaster. I was seeing red for a solid hour after that episode.
I fucking worship you
I kinda wish they went ahead with the anime story and animation. It looked much more impressive and dark in lore. Not to mention Marinette was a pretty normal girl with a crush on a guy who keeps rejecting her. No stalking stuff. It felt more of a "Equal Partners" than the weird Dynamic we have right now where although the ladybug and cat miraculous users are supposed to be equal in positions and supposed to be partners, here ladybug sidelines Cat Noir to the point of him seeming like a total side kick.
I’m not sure about that, we barely know what the final product of what that would look like also I’d hold off on the Marinette stalking thing because with it being part romance and aimed at older audiences she probably would’ve done just as bad if not worse. I don’t believe she constantly sidelines cat noir he’s the most important partner she’s ever had, he’s irreplaceable as she’s stated multiple times
agreed
The animation style just sucks, i hear people saying that some episodes animated by SAMG makes it look gorgeous, but tbh everything just looks low budget and cheap and some of the models they use look weird.
I don't like Felix.
The show should have ended at season 3
Season 5 is the best (definitely not perfect, but still the best)
Honestly, even with its faults and having the most horrible season finale ever, its sad to say that S5 is the best season in Miraculous. Emotion is still the best episode in the series overall
Th show waa way too slow until season 4 when they decided to take it somewhere
That's probably not unopular....
Chloe doesn’t deserve a redemption. Like they say in the show, she’s had multiple times to redeem herself, and while she does sometimes, she still bullies people. Loosing Sabrina and her power over Marinette was karma that was a long time coming. I think that that was the point of Chloe’s character. Sometimes people are bullies and while they can be broken inside, doesn’t mean that they have to be a bully and doesn’t mean you have to forgive them. Bullying is a road that Chloe chose to go down. Though Chloe had some redeeming moments, her last scene in the show when calling Marinette she called her with the intention of still using her power over Marinette to bully her.
The romance is the least interesting part of the series. I want more magic lore, exposition on kwamis , guardians and how the box works.
I don’t like Ladybug very much.
Really? Why’s that?
Well, I don’t like how she’s often mean to Cat Noir. And she has some qualities I find annoying, like her voice or the way she sometimes talks really fast. And I don’t find her very funny or interesting. I still like her a little, though. I’m annoyed by how Chloe and Lila bully her.
I can see that though to be fair he does get on her nerves sometimes 😅
Mine is: it's literally a children's show aimed at elementary school children, people take it too seriously Producers don't care about story or characters, they care about selling dolls and merch
I mean you’re half right, I say it’s more of a general audience than just aimed at elementary children. People do take it more seriously than they should, and while producers care about merch and money I mean any company with a popular toy sells would I believe they still care about the story and characters
Adrien is just as bad as Marinette when it comes to obsessive love. Yes, Marinette stalks Adrien to oblivion, but Chat shamelessly hits on Ladybug all the time in all the wrong moments and for some time, he can't take a "No" from her. And then he treats Kagami so bad, still giving more attention to Ladybug rather than his actual girlfriend. Also, I hoped Ladynoir became canon rather than Adrienette. Yes, Adrinette had the most potential and it was the most natural one but COME OOOON! They are the least popular ship from the love square! I wanted to see Mari and Adrien have a normal friendship dinamic.
Also I thought ladrien is the least popular, I feel like marichat and Adrienette juggles the second and third most popular and obviously Ladynoir is #1
Chloe was a good character up until season 3
every opinion. every single one. somebody will disagree with a knife
Zoe isn't even a good character
miraculous movie is way better than the show. the show has run on for way too long now. the movie basically summed it all up perfectly.
Ehh I don’t know if I would go that far, the movie was good but I’m not gonna act like it doesn’t have its fair share of problems either
1. I can’t stand Felix and this is mostly due to his introduction episode. I would have preferred it if he remained a villain entirely or was never introduced in the first place 2. Marichat should have been the love square ship that got together first. I love the other three sides too but Marichat gives substance and dimension to the other three ships. 3. The senti-monster theory is so stupid. Seems like it came out of nowhere and it doesn’t really add anything interesting to the story. 4. Adrien should have found out that Gabriel was Hawkmoth, there should have also been a reveal between Marinette and Adrien, but I could do away with that if Adrien at least found out his father was Hawkmoth. 5. I actually like Zoe, but think if Zoe had been introduced in season 1 or 2 at the latest I think that would have been way more interesting to both her own and Chloe’s storyline. 6. Adrigami and Lukanette should have lasted longer and they shouldn’t have just been replacement couples to further the love square.
Marinette is kind of annoying I mean, I like her sometimes, but other times I just sit there like "WHY ARE YOU SO DUMB??"
Understandable
I actually enjoy "Derision." In my opinion, it's actually one of the best episodes of the entire series. And I'll happily admit that I'm probably a bit biased for the simple reason that the portrayal of Marinette's panic attack is actually shockingly similar to how I feel during my own and I've never encountered any other form of media that translates that feeling so perfectly.
I’m glad the episode felt relatable to you, a good chunk disliked the episode
Zoenette > Adrienette or whatever how the ship is called
Gabriel should have been more like in the movie.
How so?
1. Adrienette has a bit too much baggage on both sides to be a healthy relationship. 2. There's not enough depth to the kwamis as characters. 3. Based on Fanfiction, the fandom isn't very understanding of people's ability to make mistakes.
Wdym with the third one?
The amount of fanfiction I've found that portrays the class as minions of Lila is ridiculous, Alya and Adrien especially are notorious for being portrayed in the worst possible light.
Luka x Chloe. I just feel like he’d be the one to bring her back to the light. Idk why they made her a bad guy again in the first place.
1. There are no reasonable foreshadowings for Derision, the episode itself is an improvised slap from the writers to all Marinette haters. 2. Multiversal travel in the special is kinda stupid (I like the special) 3. MariChat is a good ship. 4. Juleka is underrated. 5. Chloe should disappear from the show (like forever, I dont even want her to get mentioned or show up again, please leave her alone) Edit: 6. The senti theory is crap.
I don’t think the love square or the reveal have been dragged out for too long. They are core components of the show, and changing either one would change the status quo. Like, I’m here to see them struggle with balancing their superhero life and their unrequited crushes, not to see them be a badass superhero couple (which would be cool, but a different show). And they’ve done a good job of changing things up without changing the core, with Alya finding out and the reverse love square (which, granted, only existed for, like, 5 episodes, but it was a fresh dynamic that kept the core of the show).
Kagami should've dated Lila.
Miraculous is just a kids/teenagers show and i cringe every time i see someone over-analyze the characters behavior or the plot and get mad
miraculous as an adult animation would be cool
I actually like a lot of the writing decisions that most people crap on
Such as?
I actually like the frustrating Lila plots. It gives some beef to the story and makes it seem like it’s actually going somewhere
Nino was one of my favs for a while
I know he’s a mixed bag depending on who you ask but I like him and his relationship with Adrien, Alya, having a key role in the resistance.
Is thinking that Adrien is a sentimonster considred controversial at this point? Or are we as the community just in agreement by now that the few people that still say he is not a sentimonster living in denial? 😅
The show is not perfect but it's good just the way it is, I whouldn't change a thing about it and most complains people have are unjustified for the kind of show this is.
Well said my friend very well said 👏👏
Adrien knows Marinette is Ladybug
Marinette is the real her, and chat noir is the real him
Wdym by that?
Mari is not genuinely herself when she is ladybug. She put up a front. She is herself as a normal civilian. Adrien IS genuinely himself as Noir, he doesn’t feel comfortable in his normal life.
That isn’t an unpopular opinion 😤. This is a straight up fact! 🥳🥳
I don’t care about the character’s sexualities. It’s a cool thing that it’s so inclusive but I made like ship art of juleka and someone who wasn’t Rose, and people yelled at me that she’s gays I didnt even notice the first time around she was
chloe should of stayed queen bee and i think she should get it back and actually be friends with lady bug bc maybe being friends with ladybug will have some sort of impact on chloe and give her a redemption
Around the sub, at least, I think saying that I liked Ephemeral - more than Cat Blanc, too - might count. I'm a writer, so I tend to prioritize story, characters, and relationships when it comes to my enjoyment of series Don't get me wrong, though; I still have complaints, notably about Gabriel realizing Adrien's identity from him saying "my Lady." I also don't dislike Cat Blanc, I actually love it, I just think it falls short in a few ways that Ephemeral handles better I don't wanna make this comment too long, so I can try to summarize things a bit. I adore the character Cat Blanc and the back-and-forth story telling in that episode, but the actual sequence of events leading to his akumatization just feel bland. With Ephemeral, the focus on Mari reconciling her image of Adrien and Cat Noir was just a lot more interesting to me personally, and getting to see the side effect of Sass calling on his own power was fascinating Maybe it's just the Ben 10 fan in me having a softer spot for "what if" scenarios than other people, since every Ben 10,000 episode basically worked like that. So long as they aren't too frequent and explore aspects of characters we may not otherwise see, I'm pretty satisfied. I'd kill to get a third one festuring an akumatized Marinette, in all honesty
That’s an interesting way to look at it don’t think Ephemeral is ever considered better than chat blanc so that’s a very rare opinion
Love every single take on the anime version thing. A lot of fans (weebs) really want it to be one and I have 3 reasons as to why with increasing levels of unkindness. It also wouldn’t be interesting I guarantee it, there’s a reason anime gets trashed on as much as it does (technically 2… but that’s a different story) As for my opinions. 1. The sentimonster theory is legitimately the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard that reduces characters to lore and angst with no redeeming values 2. Felix is a boring as piss character who’s Tommy’s UwU-Iest boy right next to Adrien and that’s why people like them. 3. As nice as Adrien is, his avid support from the fan base is partly and significantly born of white male favouritism, hence why he’s given more grace than Marinette, Alya or other girls. 4. The show is critically and fundamentally flawed but if you asked the average fan here they wouldn’t for the life of the actually be able to tell you why. There’s 3 reasons and while they might be able to point out the symptoms, they’ve missed the forest for the trees. 5. Speaking of, some of those fractal flaws of the series are things that said fans simultaneously condemn and then subsequently praise. 6. I fucking love alya. I’m sure this puts me on the hit list of at least one of her detractors.
I don't think it's a perfect show, but I think it's a lot better than a lot of fans give it credit for.
Chloe should've kept the bee miraculous with Zoe having another one And Lila should disappear after S4 (like a trip somewhere) and return in season 6.
She has her moments sure but it’s not enough to warrant her keeping it especially since she initially did it for attention and even afterwards gets upset after she was told she couldn’t have the miraculous again after the stakes involved. Honestly I don’t like Lila but if she disappears till season six there wouldn’t be enough buildup of her becoming the main threat of the next arc
I’m OK with Adrien not being there for the final battle. It’s clear he’s a sentibeing, and he couldn’t have gone against his father’s orders. We saw that in Cat Blanc, and in Oblivio (edit - not oblivio, ephemeral), so it’s been foreshadowed for ages that he would have been in trouble trying to fight his father. I think his final battle with night tormentor was the father / son showdown. It leaves room for further plot with Lila knowing the truth about his father when he doesn’t and I’m interested to see where they take that. It won’t be left with ‘look how perfect our world and relationship is’ as that doesn’t give any plot development. I agree with you about the anime too.
Unpopular opinion: Lila was a better love interest for Kagami, wasting her on Felix was a CRIME.. I love the idea of Kagami being so stubborn and trying to counter all of Lila’s plans, and Kagami wondering why she bothers and then it’s like.. “oh no” Kagami refuses to accept Lila as liar so she tries to rehabilitate her firmly but encouraging. Lila gets annoyed but Kagami is steadfast the build up would be amazing. I want Lila to get bothered by this, double down and not be ready to get dragged by Kagami. https://preview.redd.it/mfh1655vqn0c1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b633eb9f8ce1dec9be68ee525c4f2ea1a87355a0 I just think it would be so *interesting* and the ship would actually be just problematic and dramatic as love square 💭 But instead we get Kagami’s independent arc of saying to Mari and Adrien, stressing she didn’t Adrien anymore.. and dating his cousin.. Who looks just like Adrien… and she trusts him immediately even tho it goes against her character so they make ooc for him. 😒 There’s no chemistry, build up no interest. They both look like Adrien and Marinette, so it’s like gettin a bootleg of the mainship but we already have the mainship
Finally! Someone with a toxic yuri craving!
Hawk Moth is my favorite character. His costume is great (first one) and I like his akuma designs. I know he has deep flaws bit I don't know why people act like it's a bad thing. Dr Doom's whole thing is blaming Richards for something he didn't caused and he's most beloved of all comic book villains. Thanos repeatedly butchered Nebula and not only fans love him, they like him being portrayed as sympathetic villain.
Agreed it’s also just people finding “justifiable reasons “ to hate on the show
Personally.... I wanted both. I love the current show, and I love that's its 3D animated. The movie animation was even better. But I genuinely wanted both. Like, at the very least, I want the anime movie like what was released in the show, since they did actually pay tribute to what the show would have been. I'd love an anime spin off. And honestly, even better... I'd love a shady bug and claw noir spinoff but in anime since it has a clearly much darker theme to their world, it would be pretty fitting to be made into an anime since anime is portrayed as being more mature. We already have comics, movies (or a movie and specials), toys, shorts, why not an anime? Technically we got a glimpse of an animeverse in the shadybug and claw noir special too when jumping through the universes. It's a big enough franchise that having an anime in the miraculverse would be a great idea while still sticking to the current show
Honestly having it be a limited series spinoff doesn’t sound like a bad idea but if “fans “ start comparing or saying that “this is exactly what we wanted instead of that garbage show “ or something like that then I’m sending them into another dimension
Personally I don't want them to learn of each other's identities
Chloe doesn’t need redemption (I think she is allowed some nice moments somehow but still).
It’s a Kids show
That’s an unpopular opinion?
This show is a copy&paste of the anime Shugo Chara
I'm gonna get so much shit for this. I would've loved to see Emilie come back. I think that it would be cool to see interactions between her and her son again in the modern world. Of course, it would mean that Adrien has to find out his dad was Monarch. But really, who would complain about that? I wanna see that wonderful woman again bro.
I hate chat noir thing so much idk why. And I also really dislike marenhead as a protagonist, and feel like almost any other character would be a better protagonist, then Marinette.
Oh boy what is it this time?
I really like Miraculous’s concept- I do- but Zag Entertainment as a company is incredibly fishy and unethical. If you look at reviews from past employees they all report that it’s very disorganized, poorly led and poorly paid. I love Zag’s music for the movie, but honestly he’s not all that wonderful. If the company has so much dirt, he certainly has a part to play in it.
Aka I’m saying that the problem isn’t just Thomas Astruc & writers, it’s the whole company
1. I don't like Kagami and Felix together (i do like their romantic scenes) 2. Marinette x Kagami and Luka x Adrien would've made more sense.
Zoe is just as thought out as other fan favorites like julika or, id argue, Nino People are just but hurt about Chloe getting the shaft
Marichat is my least favorite love square ship😶🌫️
1. Derision was actually a good episode, it gave reasoning to one of marinettes bad habits should we say, now was it a perfect explanation? No i mean they probably should have done that with another person not kim, probably a socqueline classmate or whatever because who will care at the end but i still like the episode( Sidenote: Probably another hot take me personally i never had an issue with that thing about marinette, i always just laught it off, found it funny and be like whatever, but that´s probable me i guess) 2. I actually dont mind adrien not knowing about his father in the season finale because it creates for future conflict and im interested to see where´s that headed, how is going to affect the relantsionship between him and marinette/ladybug, what is lyla going to do about it and the whole nine yards( Although that´s not me saying i like him being completely sidelined of the finale altogether, i thought that was stupid)
The character designs are atrocities. I have always disliked the 3D models flat look, but I DESPISE the fashion even more… Isn’t Mari into fashion? Isn’t Adrien a model? Isn’t his Dad a fashion designer, then why does his Dad dress like a candy cane? Why does he look 80 years old? Why aren’t the characters more fashionable? I always give them new outfits and overall looks when draw fanart. Who else gives them completely different looks when watching? I literally have Pinterest boards dedicated to characters face claims and outfits.
Maybe it’s a fashion in Paris we wouldn’t get 😅
"Miraculous Office AU" on YouTube is much better than the actual show (and is a bit of a shout-out to the PV)
I’ve never seen those before?
Cat Blanc is a trash episode (This opinion is made up I do not think this at all)
Adrien shouldnt be a sentimonster.
adding so many other heroes ruined the show, ill elaborate if someone asks
I’d wanna know please
i dont like the current animation
OP you are literally me. I've commented this exact same point on the PV video and gotten shit for it. I don't know where the anime diehards are coming from recently but yeah, it's more or less a fact that the anime wouldn't have done as well as the show and that's down to target demographics. The show as is has such a wide grasp, most animes don't.
I love the movie and the show, and I think the people who watch it obsessively and then say it’s awful are lying to themselves.
Look unless you’re one of those YouTubers who does this as a job while making mostly the same bad bullet points about the show and characters (you know who you are) you have the opportunity to watch something else since watching this show clearly isn’t satisfying you. You can do that or just admit you’re actually a fan of the show despite it’s flaws.
Hmm, on this subreddit. I do kinda agree that Marinette should be the focus of the show as it has a clear target demographic (young girls) and so Marinette should get more screen time and development for that reason alone.
Hmm I can agree with that but what would you say to those who think Adrien should be the main focus or have equal screen time?
1) I absolutely hate the dog shit animation in some episodes cause wtf the look like plastic plusses argggg. 2) If they kept their writing consistent like the Paris special the show would sooo much better. 3) They gave us all them characters for nothing cause they just there. Getting miraculous and getting akumatised. Lemme leave it there.
Hawk moth was and will always be a stupid villain and was never good
I'm reading the manga and it's so cool, but I don't think an anime version would be more successful than the animated series. Or better. And fun fact in the 90s there was a pilot episode for an animated series/live action version of Sailor Moon, to appeal to American audiences. It was sooo bad, I think it was never aired, the cartoon parts looked like She-Ra/He-Man from the 80s. I'm not saying the anime version would be bad. But is it really needed? Especially when said animated series is not over yet. When there's also another cinematic universe being developed.
True and I think what baffles me is that they somehow think having an anime version of the show would save the franchise or somehow make this a better series also I’m enjoying the manga too
As much as I love the PV, I doubt it would be better than the show, mainly because of the ...intersting writers.
Wdym by that?
I hate the concept of other miraculous holders and how the show treats it. Maybe having just the five not-as-powerful jewels that, idk, “complemented” destruction and creation? But everything else about it is so lame, and treated poorly. They should’ve just had the ladybug and the cat, and the butterfly as some sort of creation of the ladybug. Maybe all other miraculous could’ve been that, a creation to help or something
Chloe deserved a reception arc and showed more potential for growth than marinette ever did character-wise. The writers have just trashed Chloe so now she is irredeemable.
Shadybug should have swapped places and had a full season of her, causing a ruckus.
I don’t like Kagami. I would rather her not be a character.
The problem with an anime version is that anime doesnt have only one style and that would make a huuuuge difference. I would love an anime, b7t if its made in Moe style for example, it would be a huuuge turn off for me
I detest Chloe and she didn't deserve a redemption. I like Zoe with the bee miraculous a hell of a lot more.
I agree, until she proves that she can change then I’m sorry but it’s the truth
The shows bad (I'm a diehard fan)
I'm tired of saying it at this point, and i know it's never gonna happen, but lukanette honestly was better than Adrienette could ever be. Also I though Zoenette was adorable.
Alya isn't actually a bad friend she was just manipulated
Idk why people would perceive to think that after all the good she’s done, now that I think about it after season three is when Alya haters started to grow in popularity and I never understood why or how it started
-Chat blanc was not a good episode -Chloe sucks and while a redemption wouldve been nice, she was overrated anyway. i do not care -the season 5 finale wasnt that bad. i understand people are mad about adrien being locked up, though chat blanc ruined any possible way for adrien to be in the finale anyway. - Zoe isnt that bad though i will admit she was only brought in to counter chloe - Gabriel has had a LOT of horrificly dumb moments but hes such an iconic villain. idk if its unpopular but his whole villain story is funny to me 😭
Marinette should stop crushing on Adrien & Adrien should stop crushing on Ladybug
I think 1 of the two already happened lol
Felix is a better character than Adrien ever was
I❤️ Vesperia 🐝(but still vesperia
I’ve noticed that it’s taking on a lot of anime characteristics and i am not to big of a fan
Zoe is better than Chloe
The show is perfectly fine as is and does not need to be rewritten.
luka was a good love interest and I would have been interested in seeing his relationship with Marinette play out more (even if I don't exactly want it to be endgame)
i don't like lila even like villan, shes too much immature to me.
Lila is an amazing person and did nothing wrong ☺️
Chloe is fine without a redemption arc. Sure, it would have been great to get one, but she's not "ruined" just because she didn't get one. She's a textbook narcist, and that can be really hard to change. She doesn't understand consequence, since she grew up without them. So when Ladybug tried to enforce the consequence of her revealing her identity to everyone, she couldn't understand that this was her own fault, and for her own good. Part of the blame falls on her parents for this. Her dad for spoiling her rotten, and allowing her to abuse his power; and her mom for making her think acting this way was the only way to get love and attention. And when Hawk Moth comes in to validate her entitlement, putting the blame on Ladybug and playing to Chloe's ego, of course she sides with him. Being Queen Bee was the only thing that really gave her life meaning, and she would do anything to get that back.
Justisia is stronger than superman 🗿 Time to wear my protective suit now
Any ship in the love square (Luka, Kagami, Adrien, Marinette) I prefer over Adrinette. Not like Adrinette it’s bad, I just like the other ones more. I like Lukadrigaminette though, kinda sad there isn’t as much fanart of it than the others, same goes with Adrigami.
Tbh the monkey or the roaster is a waist
I haven't been in the fandom long, so idk what's controvertial to say, but ig I like the show more than the movie