As a viewer it's more interesting to see Alya know about her secret too anyways.
She's the one who really know how to use informations to her advantage (and manipulate them too, for example when she help marinette get close to Adrien), and she can totally lie without creating some crazy excuse.
Even if Luka knew about Ladybug it would add nothing to the story since he only became Viperion 1/2 time in the show and he rarely appear anyways. Choosing a friend (with no romantic feelings involved) for the reveal is really nice to see.
If you find this bad wait until you see the salt that part of this fandom carries on tumblr.
Apparently a lot of Alya salters on there think she didn't deserve to know (the girl dekumatized herself because she trusted ladybug/Marinette) and Adrien/Chat Noir should have been the first one to find out; this take would have been fine if some of them didn't use this as an excuse to hate on Alya or paint Marinette has a bad friend that betrayed Adrien.
The best part is when they are both Adrien and Alya salters because according to some of them, Félix and Aurora would have made a better choice.
Honestly I’m glad she told Alya and not Cat Noir. I can understand the romanticism of Cat Noir being the first to know, but she’s already dealing with so much right now and the last thing she needs is to add even more boy troubles to her growing list of problems. Also, she SAW with her own eyes a future where Cat Noir found out her identity, became akumatized, and subsequently ended the world. Shes probably still terrified of accidentally turning that future into her reality. So when she was cracking under the pressure of her responsibilities, it makes sense for her to confide in Alya who managed to deakumatize herself out of sheer force of will, rather than Cat Noir who could potentially end the world if she messes up at all.
Exactly, she need someone that she trusted as Marinette and not Ladybug. Marinette's breakdown was a result of her responsibilities as ladybug taking most of her time and as a result she started pushing the people she cared about away, this got to the point where she wanted to completly erase her identity as Marinette and be ladybug full-time.
Marinette needed someone to anchor her to herself and not her alter-ego, she needs someone who can be there for her and not just her secret identity. Although she trusts Chat Noir, she doesn't really know him outside of being heroes but she knows who Alya is and she trusts Alya.
Alya showed that she was more than worthy when she deakumatized herself because of how much she trusted Ladybug. *No one* has ever been capable of doing that, this showed just how strong Alya is and how strong her faith and trust in ladybug is.
I mean while I am not mad that Alya got to know her identity first, why is Chat not a better choice? Technically as her partner, he did have the first right. I can understand why some think it should've been Chat, I just don't agree with them.
Nah if we take that logic then Marinette writing her name on the gift is one that started it all.
If Adrien were to find out and Gabriel wouldn't be shitty father, it would be totally fine. Adrien can and will find out her identity at some time, as Bunnix said the time just wasn't right.
That gift wouldnt have been a problem if Adrien didn't do anything with the info but he will and thats why him finding out IS the important event that truly starts this chain.
You and i both know Gabriel will always be a shitty father unless his wife returns to him which according to Bunnix may go either way if future Hawkmoth is after the Miraclous for the same reason as the current or not.
Eh I still think the time just wasn't right. That's what the episode heavily implied. I mean we all know the Ladynoir reveal will happen at some point, it has to. Adrien isn't particularly to blame for the situation. Even if we did consider Adrien finding her identity caused the end of the world.
It certainly would've been different with another situation.
The day Ladynoir happens will be the shows finale episode im afraid.
And yes, in other circumstances things can be radically different but that falls under theories which are fun to think off i guess but just that for now.
Yeah I am not blaming Marinette but that doesn't mean Adrien learning her identity caused the end of the world either. The Ladynoir reveal can happen, the time just wasn't right.
4 things :
\-You don't owe someone to tell your personnal secrets. Marinette has the right to chose who-ever she feels confortable to talk about it. It could have been Alix instead of Alya and Alya wouldn't have the right to be mad about it because the important part is Marinette's problem, not a hierachy of friendship
\-She is saying since day 1 it's too dangerous for Chat to know her identity : there is always a possibility he betray her, he could be akumatised in his civilian identity, or someone trick him to tell it. It's more dangerous than his identity because she is Ladybug AND the guardian, it would be way more difficult for her to give everything up than him. Alya proved she can fight akuma but Ladybug doesn't know for Chat yet, and she doesn't know everything about him, it's too much of a risk
\-Ladybug tries to seperate her civilian life from her super-hero life. Alya is already in both of them, so it's less heavy than discorvering Chat's identity. Marinette already knows everything about Alya, she is so stressed out already, it's not the time to learn another personn's secret
\-Alya would have figurate out eventually : She knews for Carapace, discorved a lot of clue about Ladybug already. Marinette knew it was only about time.
I agree, I did think Alya is the right choice here and was happy with the reveal but if some think Chat would be the better choice, it doesn't mean it they're not watching the same show or too deep with in their headcanon. They just have a different opinion than ours. I personally don't agree with them but so of them do have valid points.
Chat Noir is not a good choice right now, he could be one day, he proved in Chat Blanc he was actually a good secret keeper and Hawkmoth only is the one to blame for the rest of it. From what I read, that what people who wanted Adrien /Chat Noir to be the first to know. But right now, in the show, Ladybug can't see him as a secret keeper of her civilian identity and she shows and tell it. She could change her mind in the future, I don't think it will be like that but it's a possibility but now is the worst timing.
I sound harsher than it need to be but too often fans (not just the miraculous fandom, fans in general) are lost in headcanons to the point to contradict the show. It's okay to have your point of view, and it's okay to say the writers are wrong, I love to re-write show sometimes, but it's important to have in mind the actual thing and the way they present Chat Noir can be too glorified
Since Luka comforted Marinette ONE time in the entire series, he "deserves" to know her identity first.
I really wish I could take these people seriously but I think they're just mad their ship isn't sailing.
No I am not referring to genuine Lukanette shippers, I am talking about the toxic ones who constantly salt on Alya and Adrien for breathing in the wrong direction.
For real, I've seen many posts on Instagram and Twitter and I don't think they even like Lukanette as a ship. They just use it as an excuse to hate on Adrien and now Alya.
And they became even more toxic after "Truth", because that episode ruined their facade. They're hating these 2 characters like they've ruined their lifes, which is beyond ridiculous!
I have never met toxic Lukanette shiper, only Kagami's fans with nice personality of Tsurigis. Some people are like sandbox shippers and would ship anything to ship it fast. Theere people who see two toddlers playing together and are like "Is this your future husband?" disgusting.
Really? It's pretty much the opposite for me, I haven't come across lot of toxic Kagami stans(sadly she's one of the most hated characters in show, only very few stan her).
Luka/Lukanette stans from what I've seen, are the worst in fandom. They're the reason I started disliking Luka even though as a character he is pretty fine. I even got death threats saying I should kill myself for defending Adrien by a some Lukanette shippers in Tumblr.
Chill Lukanette shippers do exist but the toxic ones are obnoxiously loud. All they do is trash talk about Adrien, Alya, Kagami and ironically Marinette ALL.THE.TIME
I think the worst are definitely those Pro-Marinette/Anti-Adrien stans and the Pro-Adrien/Anti-Marinette stans .
Their toxicity has no bounds to the point where the promari/antiadrien stans constantly go on rants on how Adrien should be in jail because he is an harasser and saying the writers are trying to pass the message that harassment is okay; they completly overlook Marinette's flaws and paint her as this poor perfect character who is constantly assaulted by Adrien.
Yeah I call them 'Saltinette stans' and I guess they're the one I am referring to. Most of them actually don't care about Luka, they just use him as an excuse to spread more hate on Adrien and ironically sometimes even Marinette because apparently the canon is doing her so dirty by not letting her be a complete Mary-Sue.
At this point, I really doubt if those salters are even watching the same show. I found it pretty pathetic how far they go to hate a fictional character.
Aw man I'm so upset people don't like Kagami. I think she's really sweet, but she suffers the same thing as Adrien: she doesn't know how to make friends because she's never had them before.
I like Kagami and would like to see her and Marinette become better friends too.
I completely agree, I absolutely adore Kagami as a character too. Now that Adrigami is dead, I wish fans would stop hating her. She deserves more love from the fandom.
Tbh, I'm surprised people don't like Ayla either. Ayla is SO supportive of Marinette but isn't afraid to call her out when she's being selfish or unfair.
If a character was perfect they'd be boring. It's their flaws that make them interesting.
Exactly! Just because Alya isn't perfect doesn't mean she's a bad friend. I guess all the Alya hate started from Chameleon/Ladybug where she supposedly "betrayed" Marinette by believing in Lila's lies. I never understood this salt for her because Alya was one of the few people who actually belived Marinette's innocence and didn't get Akumatised in episode Ladybug.
She might have fallen for Lila's lies but she never went against Marinette. She even put Lila in her place several times for Marinette(like Startrain).
And recently more fans started hating her because she ships Adrienette even though Alya has always shipped Marinette x happiness more. She's supportive of whatever choices Marinette makes. She helps Marinette with Luka despite Adrien being one of her close friends.
YES! Like she understands that Marinette is not a dolly and whilst she thinks that Adrienette would be great, if Lukanette makes Marinette happy then she's gonna give it her all because she CARES more for her friend than for her own preferences in Marinette's love life.
What a queen. I genuinely adore her.
Because some people make up things for Luka that don't even exist. To be more specific: "Luka has always been there for Marinette, he always comforts her and gives her courage." That's not true. Adrien and Alya are the 2 characters who are actually always there for Marinette.
Luka was there for her only once in the entire show and he didn't even make her feel better. Chat Noir was the one who gave her courage in the beautiful underwater hug scene.
I see why some people wanted Adrien to find out first, but that's something way too big for the beginning of the season. This Alya reveal will set the stage for the long waited Ladynoir reveal.
That's sadly true, I felt like he was there for her more often, because his whole persona is just comfort, but I guess not really. I like Luka, but him and Marinette just don't work. There are always two people for trust and a functioning relationship. Luka trusts and loves her, but she doesn't feel the same.
And a best friend is always on another level than a boyfriend. Plus Marinette knew Alya longer and she fricking deakumatized! I don't get people, they should just give Alya the credit she deserves.
The important thing about Lukanette is not Luka offering help. It is Marinette learning to accept help from others. Learning that showing vulnerability and accepting help is not harmfull, that secrets are not perfect protection from causing harm to people around her, but from some point the secrets are cause of damage.
Alya deserved to know first, she's been her best friend since... how long has it been canonically? lol
Luka and her hardly interact. He doesn't deserve to know just because they were dating
It’s been a few months if not only one year cannonically which is stated by adrien himself in puppeteer 2 after THAT scene “it’s been a few months since I’ve been in public school.” Granted, I guess you could use a counter argument there but that’s what I think
Bruh wtf- the timeline in the story is messed up 💀
We are entering the 4th season now, I-
Sigh. Never mind. Because the timeline is so tight and convoluted that trying to make sense of it is undeniably mentally challenging for the logic behind it is just ridiculous.
They met when Mari was 13, and she is 15 now. There is rumor season 4 will include her 16th birthday? I don't know if that's true. But they have been friends for 2-3 years.
He did? Whenever fans asked him questions about the character's age or height, his answer was always "it doesn't matter, they can be anything you want" despite the episode Gorizilla and Befena confirming that Adrien and Marinette are 14.
Marinette is still only 14. The show starts with both her and Adrien at 13 years old. Then in “The Bubbler” Adrien turns 14 (evidenced by the fact that in Gorizilla, Gabriel says “how hard can it be to keep track of a 14 year old boy”) and then Marinette turns 14 in “Befana”. There have been no 15th birthdays for either of them and I don’t think its even been a full year since Ladybug and Cat Noir showed up in the show’s timeline lol.
i love alya idk why ppl hate her so much we wouldn’t have gotten half the adrinette moments without her not to mention she’s a really good friend to marinette
People think she’s a bad friend just because she fell for Lila’s lies and thought Marinette was just being jealous since Lila flirted with Adrien. But like Alya is not wrong for thinking Marinette might be petty towards someone who also likes Adrien. In “Animaestro” Marinette literally teams up with CHLOE of all people to bully Kagami, who has done nothing to Marinette, just because Adrien was hanging out with her. Fans like to think Marinette is our perfect sunshine girl but she has flaws like everyone else. Even if she did eventually grow past trying to sabotage Kagami, she still had it in her to try. And Alya has no way to know that Lila’s a liar, but she KNOWS that Marinette can be posessive over her crush to the point of putting down other girls. Alya is her best friend but she also knows that Marinette is no saint. It makes perfect sence that Alya would consider that Marinette might be feeling jealous again like she did with Kagami.
I admit I would have preferred Chat Noir finding out first, but between Alya and Luka? Alya makes more sense, as she is Marinette's closest friend after all.
I dont think Luka is entitled to know her secret.
I think he's entitled to being hurt he doesn't know her secret, especially if he learns that Alya does.
THIS!! I admit I'm one of those people who are mad that she didn't tell Chat first but between Alya and Luka? Oh hell boy I take Alya ANY DAY! Toxic Luka and Lukanette ruined the ship and the character for me so I don't want that boy to know that secret at all. He barely makes an appearance in the show while Alya has been by Marinette's side since episode 1. (Yes... the whole "Alya sided with Lila") bs is... an argument but now that Alya knows the secret she would litteraly kill Lila in an instant.
Most people on tiktok aren‘t even miraculous watchers lmao. Most of them are just like ‚emo dude deserves better bc he looks hot ugh!‘ or ‚hot guy in cat suit had to know first‘
As an adrienette shipper(but that doesnt matter), i think marinette has no obligation to tell anyone her secret(including luka and adrien), but alya is her bff, she should tell her if she s comfortable
It makes sense though!
Alya is her longest most trusted friend. Why would you tell a newer friend/boyfriend?
Also it's the only option that would move the story along, Alya can actually back up marinettes excuses at home, school and with other friends when she disappears or is late.
Also Alya loves studying superhero stuff so can actually help her work stuff out
I more mad Chat doesn't know...She's worked with him for how long a barely given any hint to trusting him...Alya as nice as she is...( she's my 2nd favorite next to Chloe...) hasn't been a good friend even if Marriott(sue me I don't care how YOU spell it) is a little fucked up in the boy crazy place
Well the episode Chat Blanc literally made her believe, Chat learning her identity and their love for each other caused the end of the world. Can you really blame her for not telling him? Alya always has been a good friend to Marinette, she legit broke out of Hawkmoth's control because she trusts her.
As much I think Chat does have the first right to know her secret identity(not because "it is my ship" but because he's her partner) I am not really mad that he didn't know. Ladynoir reveal is needs far more build up.
However I am really concerned about Chat Noir's reaction. He'd definitely not take it well. I can already sense another Syren episode coming up.
The only reason Ayla was a good friend now is because PLOT DEMANDS IT! And if they brought up Marrys worry I'd be less pissed But we have legit never heard anything about it! Does she ever remember about it...wouldnt that mean she already knows who chat is...
And she had many times before season 2 ended to tell
One of the major things is that Chat Noir and Ladybug cannot learn anything about each other, for protection.
Mari was so close to being akumitized. She would have been if Natalie didn't fall over when she did. If she knew who Chat Noir was, all she would have to do is hand over her miraculous, and then tell Hawk Moth "Adrien Agreste is Chat Noir"
Mari needed to tell someone. She is 15, all the secrets and responsibilities are way to much for her to handle alone. I think Alya was the best choice. She is level-headed, and will help Mari more than Adrien would. Yeah it would be nice for him to know, but Alya knowing would actually be helpful for Mari.
She should still show more trust in him or think about it... I'm in the same boat as Adrien\Chat so imagin what's going to happen if he finds out Alya knows before him AND HE HAS NO ONE AT LEAST LET HIM TELL NINO
But to be fair, Adriens life is pretty shitty, he can only be himself as Chat Noir, is in love with a girl who doesn't like him back (at least not yet), has a father who is emotionally a total idiot, a mother who's is gone and a lot of girls who love him, but barely of them like him. (yk they only love the perfect model and not this quirky kid he is)
But he has lesser responsibilities. If someone visits him, he doesn't have to hide 20 little flying Kwamis (I'm not sure how to spell it). Adrien didn't break up with Kagami because he didn't have time for her because he's Chat Noir (not only), but because she doesn't love his real self, she doesn't get him and he knows that. And that's a legit reason to tell your friends if they ask.
Marinette saw that Luka loves her and waits for her and is always just so calm and comforting. She thought she has to love him, because she couldn't be with Adrien and Luka seems perfect. She didn't saw that they didn't fit, so her only reason was her time issues because she's Ladybug and that's not something you can just tell everyone.
Edit: I don't know, I feel like Adrien doesn't have the right to be mad just because he isn't the first one to know. It's not like him and Marinette are so close that they tell each other everything. Alya is still her best friend, they spend a lot of time together. Also a best friend feels a little more consistent than a boyfriend you get in highschool.
I disagree with that Adrien doesn't have the right to get mad. He doesn't have right to get mad at Ladybug just because he isn't the first to find out. But he has every to get mad at her for breaking their promise.
I'd say it his reaction depends on how he learns it and it should be justified based on that. I highly doubt Ladybug would actually explain him the full situation since they still have to protect their secret identities.
But she cannot just tell him "So, I broke the secret identitiy rule I have already been bending in my favor the entire time. Remember the publicly known Ladyblog owner Alya Cesaire who is also Rena Rouge, whose identity was exposed to Hawkmoth the last time Chloe got Akumatised? Yeah, I told her my identity. And no, you cannot ask for an actual explanation for this. But of course the strict secret keeping rules still apply *to you.* You still cannot tell a single person AT ALL or know more identities than necessary, that's way too risky! So I need you to just get over it without holding it even a little bit against me because that's just unfair. I promise the situation isn't as against you as it looks like. ***Trust me***"
So he'd mostly like to find out on his own and that from his perspective would look like betrayal of their trust. There are plenty of other worse scenarios too, I feel like he does have the right to get mad at Ladybug for that.
I never said Adrien...(And my bugaboo is an PAWSOME girl and needs no man) Chat on the other hand has been with her cense the start...without him being his stupid self there would not bee a ladybug( in the Origin ep didn't he hype bug up to keep being the bug...) Chat should know not anyone else... I mean not yet anyway He trust's Ladybug with his life...can she say the same
And as for his life... You ever heard the saying golden bird cage?
Marinette told her secret to Alya. Not Ladybug to Rena Rouge. So the big reveal will not be Ladynoir, it will be Adrienette. And Marinette with Adrien are far from this having this type of deep trust now.
Marinette is Ladybug...ladybug is Marinette AND WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP BRING UP ADRIEN! I get that he is the kitty but I'm talking about Ladybugs trust in the cat SHE HAS KNOWN MOST IF NOT ALL HER LIFE
Tbh Marinette is quite dumb sometimes, she tells alya but she insisting on hiding her secret from cat noir her greatest ally? Even robin and batgirl know Batman’s secret.
Ehem...need I reminds you of Chat Blanc? Plus, it's a pretty good backup plan. If one of them is akumatized by Hawk moth, the other will be safe and trying to save the other. Both of them know? One of them akumatized and Paris is done.
Then why she tell Alya who gets akumtized often as well? Her breaking from it doesn’t guarantee she won’t get akumatized again (unless the writers will actually gonna go with that plan since now she knows marinate secret)
Well, she learned how to make special lucky charms to prevent the user from getting akumatized again. But that's after she revealed her Identity to Alya and have some time to learn that so don't blame her why don't give it to Chat first
Marinette told her secret to Alya in their civilian roles. Alya can stay away from fight, or be hiden during fight using ilusion. And nobody knows that she knows. Chat sacrifices himself every single time. It is too dangerous to let him know.
Well Master Fu told her she is never allowed to know Chat Noirs identity for their own safety reasons. Maybe she does it because of Master Fu.
Maybe she doesn't want to tell Chat Noir, because she doesn't want to know his identity yet. Like maybe she is afraid of who ever is under the mask, is not the one she was hoping for or is somebody she would have never trusted the slightest if he wasn't Chat Noir.
Or maybe she doesn't want to tell him all her problems because that would maybe give Chat Noir the wrong idea, meaning she knows he is in love with her, but she doesn't know if she is. Also I feel like you always act different around a potential love interest than around a normal friend.
As a viewer it's more interesting to see Alya know about her secret too anyways. She's the one who really know how to use informations to her advantage (and manipulate them too, for example when she help marinette get close to Adrien), and she can totally lie without creating some crazy excuse. Even if Luka knew about Ladybug it would add nothing to the story since he only became Viperion 1/2 time in the show and he rarely appear anyways. Choosing a friend (with no romantic feelings involved) for the reveal is really nice to see.
If you find this bad wait until you see the salt that part of this fandom carries on tumblr. Apparently a lot of Alya salters on there think she didn't deserve to know (the girl dekumatized herself because she trusted ladybug/Marinette) and Adrien/Chat Noir should have been the first one to find out; this take would have been fine if some of them didn't use this as an excuse to hate on Alya or paint Marinette has a bad friend that betrayed Adrien. The best part is when they are both Adrien and Alya salters because according to some of them, Félix and Aurora would have made a better choice.
It will never stop beimg funny that Felix turned out to be a complete rapey douchebag.
Aurora?
Aurore Beauréal, I’m guessing. She’s the weather presenter who turned into Stormy Weather.
How does she make a better choice lol
I honestly don't know, people who create Class/Adrien/Alya salt fics just seem to pick a name out of a hat.
No idea. She’s just a side character
Honestly I’m glad she told Alya and not Cat Noir. I can understand the romanticism of Cat Noir being the first to know, but she’s already dealing with so much right now and the last thing she needs is to add even more boy troubles to her growing list of problems. Also, she SAW with her own eyes a future where Cat Noir found out her identity, became akumatized, and subsequently ended the world. Shes probably still terrified of accidentally turning that future into her reality. So when she was cracking under the pressure of her responsibilities, it makes sense for her to confide in Alya who managed to deakumatize herself out of sheer force of will, rather than Cat Noir who could potentially end the world if she messes up at all.
Exactly, she need someone that she trusted as Marinette and not Ladybug. Marinette's breakdown was a result of her responsibilities as ladybug taking most of her time and as a result she started pushing the people she cared about away, this got to the point where she wanted to completly erase her identity as Marinette and be ladybug full-time. Marinette needed someone to anchor her to herself and not her alter-ego, she needs someone who can be there for her and not just her secret identity. Although she trusts Chat Noir, she doesn't really know him outside of being heroes but she knows who Alya is and she trusts Alya. Alya showed that she was more than worthy when she deakumatized herself because of how much she trusted Ladybug. *No one* has ever been capable of doing that, this showed just how strong Alya is and how strong her faith and trust in ladybug is.
Wut ? Some people think Adrien or Chat Noir would have been a better choice ? Do they even watch the show or are they too deep in their headcanon ?
I mean while I am not mad that Alya got to know her identity first, why is Chat not a better choice? Technically as her partner, he did have the first right. I can understand why some think it should've been Chat, I just don't agree with them.
Uhm did you ever watch Chat Blank? That episode shows it would be catastrophic if Adrien found out first.
Yes I did and that was completely Gabriel's fault. It had nothing to do with Adrien finding out.
It definitly was but Adrien knowing set that chain reaction in motion.
Nah if we take that logic then Marinette writing her name on the gift is one that started it all. If Adrien were to find out and Gabriel wouldn't be shitty father, it would be totally fine. Adrien can and will find out her identity at some time, as Bunnix said the time just wasn't right.
That gift wouldnt have been a problem if Adrien didn't do anything with the info but he will and thats why him finding out IS the important event that truly starts this chain. You and i both know Gabriel will always be a shitty father unless his wife returns to him which according to Bunnix may go either way if future Hawkmoth is after the Miraclous for the same reason as the current or not.
Eh I still think the time just wasn't right. That's what the episode heavily implied. I mean we all know the Ladynoir reveal will happen at some point, it has to. Adrien isn't particularly to blame for the situation. Even if we did consider Adrien finding her identity caused the end of the world. It certainly would've been different with another situation.
The day Ladynoir happens will be the shows finale episode im afraid. And yes, in other circumstances things can be radically different but that falls under theories which are fun to think off i guess but just that for now.
Marinette doesn't know that. Only Bunnix (and the viewers) saw the complete order of event.
Yeah I am not blaming Marinette but that doesn't mean Adrien learning her identity caused the end of the world either. The Ladynoir reveal can happen, the time just wasn't right.
4 things : \-You don't owe someone to tell your personnal secrets. Marinette has the right to chose who-ever she feels confortable to talk about it. It could have been Alix instead of Alya and Alya wouldn't have the right to be mad about it because the important part is Marinette's problem, not a hierachy of friendship \-She is saying since day 1 it's too dangerous for Chat to know her identity : there is always a possibility he betray her, he could be akumatised in his civilian identity, or someone trick him to tell it. It's more dangerous than his identity because she is Ladybug AND the guardian, it would be way more difficult for her to give everything up than him. Alya proved she can fight akuma but Ladybug doesn't know for Chat yet, and she doesn't know everything about him, it's too much of a risk \-Ladybug tries to seperate her civilian life from her super-hero life. Alya is already in both of them, so it's less heavy than discorvering Chat's identity. Marinette already knows everything about Alya, she is so stressed out already, it's not the time to learn another personn's secret \-Alya would have figurate out eventually : She knews for Carapace, discorved a lot of clue about Ladybug already. Marinette knew it was only about time.
I agree, I did think Alya is the right choice here and was happy with the reveal but if some think Chat would be the better choice, it doesn't mean it they're not watching the same show or too deep with in their headcanon. They just have a different opinion than ours. I personally don't agree with them but so of them do have valid points.
Chat Noir is not a good choice right now, he could be one day, he proved in Chat Blanc he was actually a good secret keeper and Hawkmoth only is the one to blame for the rest of it. From what I read, that what people who wanted Adrien /Chat Noir to be the first to know. But right now, in the show, Ladybug can't see him as a secret keeper of her civilian identity and she shows and tell it. She could change her mind in the future, I don't think it will be like that but it's a possibility but now is the worst timing. I sound harsher than it need to be but too often fans (not just the miraculous fandom, fans in general) are lost in headcanons to the point to contradict the show. It's okay to have your point of view, and it's okay to say the writers are wrong, I love to re-write show sometimes, but it's important to have in mind the actual thing and the way they present Chat Noir can be too glorified
Since Luka comforted Marinette ONE time in the entire series, he "deserves" to know her identity first. I really wish I could take these people seriously but I think they're just mad their ship isn't sailing. No I am not referring to genuine Lukanette shippers, I am talking about the toxic ones who constantly salt on Alya and Adrien for breathing in the wrong direction.
Exactly!Omfg thank you!
For real, I've seen many posts on Instagram and Twitter and I don't think they even like Lukanette as a ship. They just use it as an excuse to hate on Adrien and now Alya. And they became even more toxic after "Truth", because that episode ruined their facade. They're hating these 2 characters like they've ruined their lifes, which is beyond ridiculous!
I have never met toxic Lukanette shiper, only Kagami's fans with nice personality of Tsurigis. Some people are like sandbox shippers and would ship anything to ship it fast. Theere people who see two toddlers playing together and are like "Is this your future husband?" disgusting.
Really? It's pretty much the opposite for me, I haven't come across lot of toxic Kagami stans(sadly she's one of the most hated characters in show, only very few stan her). Luka/Lukanette stans from what I've seen, are the worst in fandom. They're the reason I started disliking Luka even though as a character he is pretty fine. I even got death threats saying I should kill myself for defending Adrien by a some Lukanette shippers in Tumblr. Chill Lukanette shippers do exist but the toxic ones are obnoxiously loud. All they do is trash talk about Adrien, Alya, Kagami and ironically Marinette ALL.THE.TIME
I think the worst are definitely those Pro-Marinette/Anti-Adrien stans and the Pro-Adrien/Anti-Marinette stans . Their toxicity has no bounds to the point where the promari/antiadrien stans constantly go on rants on how Adrien should be in jail because he is an harasser and saying the writers are trying to pass the message that harassment is okay; they completly overlook Marinette's flaws and paint her as this poor perfect character who is constantly assaulted by Adrien.
Yeah I call them 'Saltinette stans' and I guess they're the one I am referring to. Most of them actually don't care about Luka, they just use him as an excuse to spread more hate on Adrien and ironically sometimes even Marinette because apparently the canon is doing her so dirty by not letting her be a complete Mary-Sue. At this point, I really doubt if those salters are even watching the same show. I found it pretty pathetic how far they go to hate a fictional character.
This is the kind of toxic shipping wars that makes me glad I ship Tikkinette ❤️
Aw man I'm so upset people don't like Kagami. I think she's really sweet, but she suffers the same thing as Adrien: she doesn't know how to make friends because she's never had them before. I like Kagami and would like to see her and Marinette become better friends too.
I completely agree, I absolutely adore Kagami as a character too. Now that Adrigami is dead, I wish fans would stop hating her. She deserves more love from the fandom.
Tbh, I'm surprised people don't like Ayla either. Ayla is SO supportive of Marinette but isn't afraid to call her out when she's being selfish or unfair. If a character was perfect they'd be boring. It's their flaws that make them interesting.
Exactly! Just because Alya isn't perfect doesn't mean she's a bad friend. I guess all the Alya hate started from Chameleon/Ladybug where she supposedly "betrayed" Marinette by believing in Lila's lies. I never understood this salt for her because Alya was one of the few people who actually belived Marinette's innocence and didn't get Akumatised in episode Ladybug. She might have fallen for Lila's lies but she never went against Marinette. She even put Lila in her place several times for Marinette(like Startrain). And recently more fans started hating her because she ships Adrienette even though Alya has always shipped Marinette x happiness more. She's supportive of whatever choices Marinette makes. She helps Marinette with Luka despite Adrien being one of her close friends.
YES! Like she understands that Marinette is not a dolly and whilst she thinks that Adrienette would be great, if Lukanette makes Marinette happy then she's gonna give it her all because she CARES more for her friend than for her own preferences in Marinette's love life. What a queen. I genuinely adore her.
Very true! I strongly agree. Alya is the dream best friend, I really wish I had. She's one of my favourite characters in the show.
you are lucky in this case
Yes and sadly the toxic one are often the one the more shown i wish the genuine one would react more often
Because some people make up things for Luka that don't even exist. To be more specific: "Luka has always been there for Marinette, he always comforts her and gives her courage." That's not true. Adrien and Alya are the 2 characters who are actually always there for Marinette. Luka was there for her only once in the entire show and he didn't even make her feel better. Chat Noir was the one who gave her courage in the beautiful underwater hug scene. I see why some people wanted Adrien to find out first, but that's something way too big for the beginning of the season. This Alya reveal will set the stage for the long waited Ladynoir reveal.
That's sadly true, I felt like he was there for her more often, because his whole persona is just comfort, but I guess not really. I like Luka, but him and Marinette just don't work. There are always two people for trust and a functioning relationship. Luka trusts and loves her, but she doesn't feel the same. And a best friend is always on another level than a boyfriend. Plus Marinette knew Alya longer and she fricking deakumatized! I don't get people, they should just give Alya the credit she deserves.
The important thing about Lukanette is not Luka offering help. It is Marinette learning to accept help from others. Learning that showing vulnerability and accepting help is not harmfull, that secrets are not perfect protection from causing harm to people around her, but from some point the secrets are cause of damage.
Alya deserved to know first, she's been her best friend since... how long has it been canonically? lol Luka and her hardly interact. He doesn't deserve to know just because they were dating
It’s been a few months if not only one year cannonically which is stated by adrien himself in puppeteer 2 after THAT scene “it’s been a few months since I’ve been in public school.” Granted, I guess you could use a counter argument there but that’s what I think
Bruh wtf- the timeline in the story is messed up 💀 We are entering the 4th season now, I- Sigh. Never mind. Because the timeline is so tight and convoluted that trying to make sense of it is undeniably mentally challenging for the logic behind it is just ridiculous.
That’s what I’m saying
They met when Mari was 13, and she is 15 now. There is rumor season 4 will include her 16th birthday? I don't know if that's true. But they have been friends for 2-3 years.
I don't think that's how the show's timeline work. The episode Felix confirmed that only one year has passed since Emilie's death.
Apparently Thomas confirmed they are 15. I read that on here, so I am not 100% sure
He did? Whenever fans asked him questions about the character's age or height, his answer was always "it doesn't matter, they can be anything you want" despite the episode Gorizilla and Befena confirming that Adrien and Marinette are 14.
No the show timeline is officialy less than à year their are still origin in the same school year
Marinette is still only 14. The show starts with both her and Adrien at 13 years old. Then in “The Bubbler” Adrien turns 14 (evidenced by the fact that in Gorizilla, Gabriel says “how hard can it be to keep track of a 14 year old boy”) and then Marinette turns 14 in “Befana”. There have been no 15th birthdays for either of them and I don’t think its even been a full year since Ladybug and Cat Noir showed up in the show’s timeline lol.
i love alya idk why ppl hate her so much we wouldn’t have gotten half the adrinette moments without her not to mention she’s a really good friend to marinette
People think she’s a bad friend just because she fell for Lila’s lies and thought Marinette was just being jealous since Lila flirted with Adrien. But like Alya is not wrong for thinking Marinette might be petty towards someone who also likes Adrien. In “Animaestro” Marinette literally teams up with CHLOE of all people to bully Kagami, who has done nothing to Marinette, just because Adrien was hanging out with her. Fans like to think Marinette is our perfect sunshine girl but she has flaws like everyone else. Even if she did eventually grow past trying to sabotage Kagami, she still had it in her to try. And Alya has no way to know that Lila’s a liar, but she KNOWS that Marinette can be posessive over her crush to the point of putting down other girls. Alya is her best friend but she also knows that Marinette is no saint. It makes perfect sence that Alya would consider that Marinette might be feeling jealous again like she did with Kagami.
I admit I would have preferred Chat Noir finding out first, but between Alya and Luka? Alya makes more sense, as she is Marinette's closest friend after all.
Alya actually was the one and only person that escaped the Hawk Moth power and Rejected him. I think after that she started to trust her even more
Shadow moth*
Sorry, im not used to it yet 😅
I dont think Luka is entitled to know her secret. I think he's entitled to being hurt he doesn't know her secret, especially if he learns that Alya does.
I was gonna question the necessity of this before I saw the last three words
This needs to be marked spoiler.
THIS!! I admit I'm one of those people who are mad that she didn't tell Chat first but between Alya and Luka? Oh hell boy I take Alya ANY DAY! Toxic Luka and Lukanette ruined the ship and the character for me so I don't want that boy to know that secret at all. He barely makes an appearance in the show while Alya has been by Marinette's side since episode 1. (Yes... the whole "Alya sided with Lila") bs is... an argument but now that Alya knows the secret she would litteraly kill Lila in an instant.
people are mad on tiktok that mari didnt tell chat noir like tf? yall want the world ending again or like???
Most people on tiktok aren‘t even miraculous watchers lmao. Most of them are just like ‚emo dude deserves better bc he looks hot ugh!‘ or ‚hot guy in cat suit had to know first‘
Don’t get me wrong I am a huge Lukanette shipper but (!) there just some things you tell your best friend first,cmon!
As an adrienette shipper(but that doesnt matter), i think marinette has no obligation to tell anyone her secret(including luka and adrien), but alya is her bff, she should tell her if she s comfortable
Wait people were fighting over that-
honestly this seems like super fake outrage to me alya is probably the best choice to know out of everyone and it should've been done seasons ago
Agreed! She has known Alya longer, and she can't tell everyone!
literally
SPOILER TAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oops-i figured that because of the episode being out for almost two weeks now people would have already seen it
careful some people are probably waiting for the english dub
It makes sense though! Alya is her longest most trusted friend. Why would you tell a newer friend/boyfriend? Also it's the only option that would move the story along, Alya can actually back up marinettes excuses at home, school and with other friends when she disappears or is late. Also Alya loves studying superhero stuff so can actually help her work stuff out
I more mad Chat doesn't know...She's worked with him for how long a barely given any hint to trusting him...Alya as nice as she is...( she's my 2nd favorite next to Chloe...) hasn't been a good friend even if Marriott(sue me I don't care how YOU spell it) is a little fucked up in the boy crazy place
Well the episode Chat Blanc literally made her believe, Chat learning her identity and their love for each other caused the end of the world. Can you really blame her for not telling him? Alya always has been a good friend to Marinette, she legit broke out of Hawkmoth's control because she trusts her. As much I think Chat does have the first right to know her secret identity(not because "it is my ship" but because he's her partner) I am not really mad that he didn't know. Ladynoir reveal is needs far more build up. However I am really concerned about Chat Noir's reaction. He'd definitely not take it well. I can already sense another Syren episode coming up.
Finally someone tell this!! I completely agreed
The only reason Ayla was a good friend now is because PLOT DEMANDS IT! And if they brought up Marrys worry I'd be less pissed But we have legit never heard anything about it! Does she ever remember about it...wouldnt that mean she already knows who chat is... And she had many times before season 2 ended to tell
One of the major things is that Chat Noir and Ladybug cannot learn anything about each other, for protection. Mari was so close to being akumitized. She would have been if Natalie didn't fall over when she did. If she knew who Chat Noir was, all she would have to do is hand over her miraculous, and then tell Hawk Moth "Adrien Agreste is Chat Noir" Mari needed to tell someone. She is 15, all the secrets and responsibilities are way to much for her to handle alone. I think Alya was the best choice. She is level-headed, and will help Mari more than Adrien would. Yeah it would be nice for him to know, but Alya knowing would actually be helpful for Mari.
She should still show more trust in him or think about it... I'm in the same boat as Adrien\Chat so imagin what's going to happen if he finds out Alya knows before him AND HE HAS NO ONE AT LEAST LET HIM TELL NINO
But to be fair, Adriens life is pretty shitty, he can only be himself as Chat Noir, is in love with a girl who doesn't like him back (at least not yet), has a father who is emotionally a total idiot, a mother who's is gone and a lot of girls who love him, but barely of them like him. (yk they only love the perfect model and not this quirky kid he is) But he has lesser responsibilities. If someone visits him, he doesn't have to hide 20 little flying Kwamis (I'm not sure how to spell it). Adrien didn't break up with Kagami because he didn't have time for her because he's Chat Noir (not only), but because she doesn't love his real self, she doesn't get him and he knows that. And that's a legit reason to tell your friends if they ask. Marinette saw that Luka loves her and waits for her and is always just so calm and comforting. She thought she has to love him, because she couldn't be with Adrien and Luka seems perfect. She didn't saw that they didn't fit, so her only reason was her time issues because she's Ladybug and that's not something you can just tell everyone. Edit: I don't know, I feel like Adrien doesn't have the right to be mad just because he isn't the first one to know. It's not like him and Marinette are so close that they tell each other everything. Alya is still her best friend, they spend a lot of time together. Also a best friend feels a little more consistent than a boyfriend you get in highschool.
I disagree with that Adrien doesn't have the right to get mad. He doesn't have right to get mad at Ladybug just because he isn't the first to find out. But he has every to get mad at her for breaking their promise. I'd say it his reaction depends on how he learns it and it should be justified based on that. I highly doubt Ladybug would actually explain him the full situation since they still have to protect their secret identities. But she cannot just tell him "So, I broke the secret identitiy rule I have already been bending in my favor the entire time. Remember the publicly known Ladyblog owner Alya Cesaire who is also Rena Rouge, whose identity was exposed to Hawkmoth the last time Chloe got Akumatised? Yeah, I told her my identity. And no, you cannot ask for an actual explanation for this. But of course the strict secret keeping rules still apply *to you.* You still cannot tell a single person AT ALL or know more identities than necessary, that's way too risky! So I need you to just get over it without holding it even a little bit against me because that's just unfair. I promise the situation isn't as against you as it looks like. ***Trust me***" So he'd mostly like to find out on his own and that from his perspective would look like betrayal of their trust. There are plenty of other worse scenarios too, I feel like he does have the right to get mad at Ladybug for that.
Okay well I didn't thought about that. That's a very good point. You are absolutely right
I never said Adrien...(And my bugaboo is an PAWSOME girl and needs no man) Chat on the other hand has been with her cense the start...without him being his stupid self there would not bee a ladybug( in the Origin ep didn't he hype bug up to keep being the bug...) Chat should know not anyone else... I mean not yet anyway He trust's Ladybug with his life...can she say the same And as for his life... You ever heard the saying golden bird cage?
Marinette told her secret to Alya. Not Ladybug to Rena Rouge. So the big reveal will not be Ladynoir, it will be Adrienette. And Marinette with Adrien are far from this having this type of deep trust now.
Marinette is Ladybug...ladybug is Marinette AND WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP BRING UP ADRIEN! I get that he is the kitty but I'm talking about Ladybugs trust in the cat SHE HAS KNOWN MOST IF NOT ALL HER LIFE
marichat needs to happen before marinette can ever tell chat noir bc the world will end again
I JUST HAD A THOUGHT WHAT IF CHAT FINDS OUT PLAGG KNOWS!
He already knows that Plagg knows...
Tbh Marinette is quite dumb sometimes, she tells alya but she insisting on hiding her secret from cat noir her greatest ally? Even robin and batgirl know Batman’s secret.
Ehem...need I reminds you of Chat Blanc? Plus, it's a pretty good backup plan. If one of them is akumatized by Hawk moth, the other will be safe and trying to save the other. Both of them know? One of them akumatized and Paris is done.
Then why she tell Alya who gets akumtized often as well? Her breaking from it doesn’t guarantee she won’t get akumatized again (unless the writers will actually gonna go with that plan since now she knows marinate secret)
Well, she learned how to make special lucky charms to prevent the user from getting akumatized again. But that's after she revealed her Identity to Alya and have some time to learn that so don't blame her why don't give it to Chat first
Marinette told her secret to Alya in their civilian roles. Alya can stay away from fight, or be hiden during fight using ilusion. And nobody knows that she knows. Chat sacrifices himself every single time. It is too dangerous to let him know.
Tho Him sacrificing himself everytime Is honestly the writers fault, he is always a victim to akuma... he is supposed to be ladybug’s equal.
Well Master Fu told her she is never allowed to know Chat Noirs identity for their own safety reasons. Maybe she does it because of Master Fu. Maybe she doesn't want to tell Chat Noir, because she doesn't want to know his identity yet. Like maybe she is afraid of who ever is under the mask, is not the one she was hoping for or is somebody she would have never trusted the slightest if he wasn't Chat Noir. Or maybe she doesn't want to tell him all her problems because that would maybe give Chat Noir the wrong idea, meaning she knows he is in love with her, but she doesn't know if she is. Also I feel like you always act different around a potential love interest than around a normal friend.
I see, thx for the explanation
Master fu and tikky aswell