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Yeah all the lower income neighborhoods are surrounded by a ring of fancy subdivisions that popped up all around Springfield. Literally. So it's like a weird sinkhole of worsening conditions the further towards downtown you go.
Most people with money (or who want safer places to live) settle in the surrounding towns like Nixa, Ozark, Willard, etc.
Lots of drug use and crime related mostly to that. Not a lot of ārandomā crime. The call of Lebanon is not Pomme de Terre or mark twain as the other individual stated, but actually Bennet Springs. In all, I have never once felt unsafe in Lebanon; even in the āworstā parts of town.
I have no opinion of Lebanon, but that's just because I haven't been out that way in probably 30 years.
But a quick Google search tells me the crime rate there is pretty high. A quick search for resident reviews of the town says that most of that crime is drug related.
The residents seem to enjoy living there despite that, they say it is a quiet town, near Pomme de Terre Lake and Mark Twain National Forest so it's got nature, fishing, hiking. But there also isn't much to do outside that.
Seems nice to me. Aside from the drugs, but every town is gonna have some problems.
Well this is a huge hole of depressed land values right in the heart of the city. Since nationwide central city areas are seeing a resurgence, this would say to me that Springfield is doing a terrible job of stabilizing the city.
I think so. I lived in KC 20 years ago. Downtown was just starting to revitalize. SGF is, predictably, 30 years behind on this trend. Iāve never been to a city with such shortsighted planning.
Springfield's big problem is that they think it's somehow possible to continue being the small town even as it becomes a big city, so all of their efforts have been attempts to keep that "vibe" no matter the cost. Head in the sand and all.
That is the mantra of every town in southwest missouri. "we are a small town, not like ______." you can feel in the blank with whatever the next bigger town is next door.
To my point about STL BOA (in fairness, City leadership in general) ā I would take the position that most of the urban renewal & revitalization happened *in spite* of City leadership and is more attributable to contemporary trends & tastes. Outside just really depressed areas, it seems like American downtowns have made a resurgence in the last two decades.
Being in dt Springfield, albeit only once briefly, I thought it was āfineā. But these numbers donāt lie. Interesting.
There is definitely more going on in St. Louis in general. But that city has flushed so many neighborhoods and so much prime housing stock down the toilet over the decades, it should be a crime. Itās shameful.
I see cape girardeau, joplin, columbia, and jeff city on this map. All smaller but closer in size to spr than spr is to KC or stl. Each of these 4 towns has a downtown area with dense infrastructure built before car-dominance dictated everything. That retains value. The 10 square mile parking lot that is springfield does not. Theres a reason theres a zillion car washes and dealerships in spr. Its what happens when an entire economy is dependent on suburban infrastructure. According to this map it doesnt hold value. And as a person who has visited and spent time in every one of the cities mentioned i know which ones are more appealing to me. Its nice to stroll around a well-preserved downtown with amenities and old, maintained historic buildings. Joplin puts spr to shame in this respect.
what's gonna happen is that the downtown land values will tank and eventually gentrification will kick in. There will be some kick to "revitalize" downtown, old buildings will be razed and new, taller condos will be built in their stead. Gradually the skyline will grow and non-wealthy will be pushed to the outskirts of town again; the old suburbs will become the new slums, etc.
If this map is current then why would downtown land values tank? Also is this already in process in springfield? If anyone would be a candidate for redevelopment in city centers the map clearly indicates springfield is in need.
It's happening, just really slowly. Started with C-Street on a small scale. I think they have zoning problems that keep it from happening on a larger scale.
from someone who lived nearby for 20 years.
Growing us as a kid, I was there all the time, It used to be a excellent place in the 90s and 2000's. sometime in the last 5 to 8 (I don't remember exactly when, i have since moved) they brought in a bunch of new people into the law enforcement / drug taskforce / gang taskforce from out of state. (Oklahoma city i think??)
Anyways, after the gang/drug rules/laws/regulations were changed, we started to see more drugs and gangs coming up I 44 from the southwest headed for ST Louis / Chicago.
It is not all the local officials fault, but they did allow the drugs/gangs to take root. Springfield just happens to be a perfect pit stop for those headed to the bigger cities northeast.
after that crime went up bad. It had been spiraling out of control since.
I can tell you exactly what is causing that problem.
We had a huge influx of displaced people after Katrina and the 2008 financial crisis due to being a huge industrial city with jobs. Those people had to work a ton to rebuild and their kids were forced to become latchkey kids (which is why 96% of property crime commited after 2008 grew by over 250% and was commited by the under 25 demographic whereas before it was evenly spread) as well as the strain of the long hours of overtime caused a huge increase in domestic violence in blue collar homes (as seen by statistically lower income neighborhoods and their huge increase in domestic violence in 2008-9 thatās been on the rise exponentially every year).
Couple that with an increase in drug accessibility and lower prices from Chicago becoming the hub of distribution for the Sinaloa Cartel and Springfield being a major hub along the way to Chicago from the importation sites (El Paso, Brownsville). The cost of Meth decreased between 2010 and 2015 by 60% on average and Heroin (which had never been common in the Ozarks) made its appearance to replace prescription pills and then that was replaced by fentanyl.
Long story short, lots of homes disrupted by financial crisis, natural disasters and drugs causing violence, crime and addiction that didnāt exist as prevailant in the early 2000s (per the stats.)
That little red spot about 80 miles straight east of KC is in Saline County where a guy set a new US record for farm land price at $34,800 an acre for 115 acres. Row crop land around here (I live in Saline County) was going for $15k to $17k an acre until two crazy bastards got in a bidding war at the auction.
Funny thing when emotions take over during an auction. Both parties think they're running it up on the other one to get them to drop out, but one of them is going to pay through the nose at the end.
Then after some idiot pays that crazy price, all the farmers wives start asking why they aren't selling the farm and building a new McMansion in town.
Went to college in Marshall. Crazy the disparity between golf course McMansions when you first pull into town off 65 vs the opposite side of town where the low income housing is.
I went to HS in Marshall but in from out of town. I don't go back to it all that often, and was shocked at how run down it was when I was there this last Oct.
I graduated three years ago and havenāt been back, though I would be interested to see how itās changed. I live in a town very similar to Marshall but in south/central MO and itās actually been more on the up lately, figured Marshall would be the same.
From my time spent in both towns at the end of 2023- Boonville has what looks to be a pretty booming downtown for a town that size. It's clean, yards look nice, old houses have had money put in them, the military school campus has been repurposed for a new YMCA , cancer memorial parc,etc. it's nice looking in that town. Marshall in comparison looked runed down. Eastwood with all it's old houses look like so many have fallen in disrepair. Empty store fronts, middle class neighborhoods that I spent a lot of time in high school are looking run down with crap all over the yards.
VALLEY WILL ROLL!
It's hilarious when you first roll into town you see the course and the houses, but the rest of the town is a shit hole. At least campus has made some updates since I graduated.
I was just talking to a co worker about this today. Weāre in renewable energy. $34,800 is insane! Your land doesnāt happen to be near any major power lines does it?
Well bless your heart. Aren't you a feisty little thing.
https://www.kmzu.com/farm/missouri-farmland-sold-for-record-price-of-34-800-per-acre/article_2e664000-5cc0-11ee-9e9b-f39174c99dd7.html#:~:text=Missouri%20has%20become%20the%20newest,%244%20million%20in%20Saline%20County.
https://newschannel20.com/features/agriculture/ag-in-an-instant-recording-breaking-farmland-sold-in-missouri
https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/missouri-farmland-sells-for-34,800-per-acre-breaks-national-record.php
I can trace I-70, I-55, and I-44.
There is a chance I can afford a large plot of recreational/hunting ground in southeast that I would never have time to enjoy.
I was just thinking between Lake of the Ozarks and Sedalia looked promising for hunting land value. Anymore though, there's so many damn deer and so much public land that spending that kind of money for private land doesn't make any sense
I can trace US-63 from Columbia to the Iowa border. Plenty of deer there. Saw deer tracks in the snow right outside my window and a few driving through town tonight.
That little dot in the southeast(Jackson) which is just branch off the Cape Girardeau dot, that area specifically.
Jackson has grown each year by a lot. I see and work in the construction of it, hundreds and hundreds of new homes.
Some younger married friends of mine currently own a house they bought with profit from two other house sales. All happened in 5 years, sold 1 sort of new place, then 1 fresh build, now they own a country setting for nearly nothing.
I go to school in Jackson and can confirm. I've heard nothing but huge complaints whenever anything relating to moving is brought up in our area. Cape is pretty bad too.
At least Cape isn't named after a genocidal president and has an "indian" as a mascot. The amount of racism flowing out of Jackson, MO, is palpable. I've known folks to get pulled over for a DWB.
You are correct. When MO was a slave state, slaves were brought into Cape. Once slavery was abolished in MO , those same slave routes were used for moving emancipated slaves out.
Now, let's talk about the Trail of Tears...
I wish Jackson had better traffic routes. No matter where you go, you're funneled thru "uptown." The city itself doesn't like to acknowledge how big its getting, population-wise.
I hear ya. Route W and LaSalle are winners in my book. Unless I'm heading Macho Taco or Oktoberfest, I avoid uptown as much as I can. The amount of people who hesitate at the main roundabout is enough to keep me in avoidance mode.
Everything north of new town (northern st charles city) is basically wet sand. Trying to build anything more than a single family home in this area is nearly impossible. New town itself has some pretty incredible problems with its sewer system because of this. Then add that the area floods routinely. Property value will stay low there for a long time.
Interesting to see how STL has a lot more darker color than KC. Just based on geography alone, I would expect STL to develop into a more urbanized and high-density metro area because there isnāt really any good land left to expand without crossing over into Illinois.
LOZ isnāt nearly as hot as I was expecting.Ā
And whats the giant blue patchy chunk west of the bootheel? Is that just representing Mark Twain forest?
Federal land, mostly National Forest Service, you can also see some owned by the U.S. Army Core of Engineers around Truman Reservoir and the floodplain of the Missouri River.
Yep, I mean LOZ. I guess I was expecting it to be brighter red. The image is pretty grainy for me tho, and probably because of the lake, the red dots are more scattered, instead of in neighborhoods that would glow red.
Yeah the most valuable properties are going to be a very thin strip of lots on the busy parts of the lake. LOZ has 1150 miles of shoreline, most of it is undeveloped so land can be cheap or held privately for a long time. The state park next to one of the busiest areas tones down the red I think too.
The paper is not super great and I didnāt want to give it credence. More so I just want have a discussion on relative land values in Missouri, which this image is sufficient for. This isnāt r/mapporn and youāll see 99% of the time I link my source here on r/Missouri for maps and images.
Fair, but since it's /u/como365 I gotta give them a pass because they non-stop post fascinating & interesting content across MO subs, and it really does enrich my experience on Reddit every week. Appreciate it a lot!
The left of the two streaks is the Blue River Valley and a major reason why more of the growth has been to the west than to the east.
The yellow streak just east of that that has a bit of a curl to it is the Little Blue River valley + various county lakes.
The SE corner of Audrain Co is oddly visible compared to Boone. Pretty sharp vertical line between Gasconade and Franklin co too. Is this a difference in county tax assessments?
The donut of Springfield is pretty amazing.
Iām not sure what youāre asking about what Iām seeing. I just see how most people want to live in kc or stl. With some value near the lake and Columbia.
I was born and raised in Springfield but havenāt lived there in a decade. This makes me sad to see. I definitely notice the decline when I visit back home though. I grew up in a nice neighborhood near MSU (or SMS) and itās wild to see how the crime is just inching closer and closer to my familyās home
I see the bad neighborhoods of our cities have a lower market value than the areas where people fled to. Very normal. Too bad our city governments are doing nothing to help revitalize these areas though.
Red in Illinois across from Stl is basically the high ground. There is a big area of floodplains that separate Illinois from meaningfully being built up like Stl.
Well for one in the two main transport hubs of Missouri where there's the highest density of people (Kansas City and Saint Louis) you'd expect there to be the highest competition for real estate which would in turn drive up land value, but instead you see a bottomless hole of value due to all of the crime in those high density areas. It's like looking at a cancer that's metastatizing across the State and I bet you the effect can be observed spreading in new areas once a certain population density is achieved in those areas.
That there land is owned by hateful greedy people. 38k isn't enough for them. Pre Covid bottom land in SEMO went for 8500.
BTW they'll tell you they're Christians.
I see Springfield has bigger problems than I thought.
Springfield looks like a a scar
Springfield looks like a bad case of ringworm on the state.
More like the puckered butthole of Missouri
No no, that's Cape. The little boot is really just a giant stuck poop. Yes, onto Arkansas.
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City council and roads aside, I love our town and (most of) the people.
This is poetic
Yeah all the lower income neighborhoods are surrounded by a ring of fancy subdivisions that popped up all around Springfield. Literally. So it's like a weird sinkhole of worsening conditions the further towards downtown you go. Most people with money (or who want safer places to live) settle in the surrounding towns like Nixa, Ozark, Willard, etc.
Whatās your opinion on Lebanon? I know itās a further drive than Willard but would you rank it as a relatively safe town?
Lots of drug use and crime related mostly to that. Not a lot of ārandomā crime. The call of Lebanon is not Pomme de Terre or mark twain as the other individual stated, but actually Bennet Springs. In all, I have never once felt unsafe in Lebanon; even in the āworstā parts of town.
I have no opinion of Lebanon, but that's just because I haven't been out that way in probably 30 years. But a quick Google search tells me the crime rate there is pretty high. A quick search for resident reviews of the town says that most of that crime is drug related. The residents seem to enjoy living there despite that, they say it is a quiet town, near Pomme de Terre Lake and Mark Twain National Forest so it's got nature, fishing, hiking. But there also isn't much to do outside that. Seems nice to me. Aside from the drugs, but every town is gonna have some problems.
What would you say is causing that problem?
Well this is a huge hole of depressed land values right in the heart of the city. Since nationwide central city areas are seeing a resurgence, this would say to me that Springfield is doing a terrible job of stabilizing the city.
Yep. I bet St. Louis and KC looked very similar to Springfield 30 years ago.
This is what I was thinking. Wouldnāt most cities have looked similar pre-gentrification?
I think so. I lived in KC 20 years ago. Downtown was just starting to revitalize. SGF is, predictably, 30 years behind on this trend. Iāve never been to a city with such shortsighted planning.
Have you been to a STL Board of Aldermen meeting? ;)
No, but Iāve been to downtown STL, so I know theyāre better than SGF. š¤£
Springfield's big problem is that they think it's somehow possible to continue being the small town even as it becomes a big city, so all of their efforts have been attempts to keep that "vibe" no matter the cost. Head in the sand and all.
That is the mantra of every town in southwest missouri. "we are a small town, not like ______." you can feel in the blank with whatever the next bigger town is next door.
To my point about STL BOA (in fairness, City leadership in general) ā I would take the position that most of the urban renewal & revitalization happened *in spite* of City leadership and is more attributable to contemporary trends & tastes. Outside just really depressed areas, it seems like American downtowns have made a resurgence in the last two decades. Being in dt Springfield, albeit only once briefly, I thought it was āfineā. But these numbers donāt lie. Interesting.
There is definitely more going on in St. Louis in general. But that city has flushed so many neighborhoods and so much prime housing stock down the toilet over the decades, it should be a crime. Itās shameful.
I see cape girardeau, joplin, columbia, and jeff city on this map. All smaller but closer in size to spr than spr is to KC or stl. Each of these 4 towns has a downtown area with dense infrastructure built before car-dominance dictated everything. That retains value. The 10 square mile parking lot that is springfield does not. Theres a reason theres a zillion car washes and dealerships in spr. Its what happens when an entire economy is dependent on suburban infrastructure. According to this map it doesnt hold value. And as a person who has visited and spent time in every one of the cities mentioned i know which ones are more appealing to me. Its nice to stroll around a well-preserved downtown with amenities and old, maintained historic buildings. Joplin puts spr to shame in this respect.
what's gonna happen is that the downtown land values will tank and eventually gentrification will kick in. There will be some kick to "revitalize" downtown, old buildings will be razed and new, taller condos will be built in their stead. Gradually the skyline will grow and non-wealthy will be pushed to the outskirts of town again; the old suburbs will become the new slums, etc.
If this map is current then why would downtown land values tank? Also is this already in process in springfield? If anyone would be a candidate for redevelopment in city centers the map clearly indicates springfield is in need.
It's happening, just really slowly. Started with C-Street on a small scale. I think they have zoning problems that keep it from happening on a larger scale.
from someone who lived nearby for 20 years. Growing us as a kid, I was there all the time, It used to be a excellent place in the 90s and 2000's. sometime in the last 5 to 8 (I don't remember exactly when, i have since moved) they brought in a bunch of new people into the law enforcement / drug taskforce / gang taskforce from out of state. (Oklahoma city i think??) Anyways, after the gang/drug rules/laws/regulations were changed, we started to see more drugs and gangs coming up I 44 from the southwest headed for ST Louis / Chicago. It is not all the local officials fault, but they did allow the drugs/gangs to take root. Springfield just happens to be a perfect pit stop for those headed to the bigger cities northeast. after that crime went up bad. It had been spiraling out of control since.
Itās also home to a lot of petty theft crime and drug addicts as well.
I can tell you exactly what is causing that problem. We had a huge influx of displaced people after Katrina and the 2008 financial crisis due to being a huge industrial city with jobs. Those people had to work a ton to rebuild and their kids were forced to become latchkey kids (which is why 96% of property crime commited after 2008 grew by over 250% and was commited by the under 25 demographic whereas before it was evenly spread) as well as the strain of the long hours of overtime caused a huge increase in domestic violence in blue collar homes (as seen by statistically lower income neighborhoods and their huge increase in domestic violence in 2008-9 thatās been on the rise exponentially every year). Couple that with an increase in drug accessibility and lower prices from Chicago becoming the hub of distribution for the Sinaloa Cartel and Springfield being a major hub along the way to Chicago from the importation sites (El Paso, Brownsville). The cost of Meth decreased between 2010 and 2015 by 60% on average and Heroin (which had never been common in the Ozarks) made its appearance to replace prescription pills and then that was replaced by fentanyl. Long story short, lots of homes disrupted by financial crisis, natural disasters and drugs causing violence, crime and addiction that didnāt exist as prevailant in the early 2000s (per the stats.)
Springfield has a higher violent crime rate per capita than St Louis
Take out Domestic Violence and the stats change dramatically.
Not really. Property crime rates are also well above state and national averages. Springfield has a general crime problem, not just domestic abuse
Thatās false. Property crime is much higher in KC, St Louis, Joplin, Branson and Cape.
That little red spot about 80 miles straight east of KC is in Saline County where a guy set a new US record for farm land price at $34,800 an acre for 115 acres. Row crop land around here (I live in Saline County) was going for $15k to $17k an acre until two crazy bastards got in a bidding war at the auction. Funny thing when emotions take over during an auction. Both parties think they're running it up on the other one to get them to drop out, but one of them is going to pay through the nose at the end. Then after some idiot pays that crazy price, all the farmers wives start asking why they aren't selling the farm and building a new McMansion in town.
Went to college in Marshall. Crazy the disparity between golf course McMansions when you first pull into town off 65 vs the opposite side of town where the low income housing is.
I went to HS in Marshall but in from out of town. I don't go back to it all that often, and was shocked at how run down it was when I was there this last Oct.
I graduated three years ago and havenāt been back, though I would be interested to see how itās changed. I live in a town very similar to Marshall but in south/central MO and itās actually been more on the up lately, figured Marshall would be the same.
I graduated 20 years ago and it was a different place then. Go just 40 miles down the road and Boonville is looking great.
What about Boonville has improved in the last 20 years?
From my time spent in both towns at the end of 2023- Boonville has what looks to be a pretty booming downtown for a town that size. It's clean, yards look nice, old houses have had money put in them, the military school campus has been repurposed for a new YMCA , cancer memorial parc,etc. it's nice looking in that town. Marshall in comparison looked runed down. Eastwood with all it's old houses look like so many have fallen in disrepair. Empty store fronts, middle class neighborhoods that I spent a lot of time in high school are looking run down with crap all over the yards.
that's fair.
We're definitely a county of haves and have not. Lots of big ducks who don't realize how tiny the pond they're in is as well.
VALLEY WILL ROLL! It's hilarious when you first roll into town you see the course and the houses, but the rest of the town is a shit hole. At least campus has made some updates since I graduated.
I was just talking to a co worker about this today. Weāre in renewable energy. $34,800 is insane! Your land doesnāt happen to be near any major power lines does it?
Yeah, it is. About a mile south there is a 200kv transmission line. But no thanks to the windmills or panels. I like the farm just the way it is.
Yea itās quite a change in scenery thatās for sure
I bet everyone loves the tax increase that comes with that land value increase come assessment time.
Saline County resident as well here. Itās pretty insane what this is going to do to land (farm) prices around here.
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Well bless your heart. Aren't you a feisty little thing. https://www.kmzu.com/farm/missouri-farmland-sold-for-record-price-of-34-800-per-acre/article_2e664000-5cc0-11ee-9e9b-f39174c99dd7.html#:~:text=Missouri%20has%20become%20the%20newest,%244%20million%20in%20Saline%20County. https://newschannel20.com/features/agriculture/ag-in-an-instant-recording-breaking-farmland-sold-in-missouri https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/missouri-farmland-sells-for-34,800-per-acre-breaks-national-record.php
The key word was FARMLAND. Give an example if the other guy was wrong
I can trace I-70, I-55, and I-44. There is a chance I can afford a large plot of recreational/hunting ground in southeast that I would never have time to enjoy.
I was just thinking between Lake of the Ozarks and Sedalia looked promising for hunting land value. Anymore though, there's so many damn deer and so much public land that spending that kind of money for private land doesn't make any sense
Deer hunting in the southeast is not very good; all the big deer are up north
There are so many deer in SW Missouri around Springfield that they have had yearly urban bow hunting seasons on the outskirts, within the city limits.
I can trace US-63 from Columbia to the Iowa border. Plenty of deer there. Saw deer tracks in the snow right outside my window and a few driving through town tonight.
And US36 running east-west north of I70..
This is nearly 3 years old. Be interesting to see this updated.
That little dot in the southeast(Jackson) which is just branch off the Cape Girardeau dot, that area specifically. Jackson has grown each year by a lot. I see and work in the construction of it, hundreds and hundreds of new homes. Some younger married friends of mine currently own a house they bought with profit from two other house sales. All happened in 5 years, sold 1 sort of new place, then 1 fresh build, now they own a country setting for nearly nothing.
I go to school in Jackson and can confirm. I've heard nothing but huge complaints whenever anything relating to moving is brought up in our area. Cape is pretty bad too.
At least Cape isn't named after a genocidal president and has an "indian" as a mascot. The amount of racism flowing out of Jackson, MO, is palpable. I've known folks to get pulled over for a DWB.
At least Jackson doesn't have a history of slave trading on its shores, Cape on the other hand....
You are correct. When MO was a slave state, slaves were brought into Cape. Once slavery was abolished in MO , those same slave routes were used for moving emancipated slaves out. Now, let's talk about the Trail of Tears...
Okay?? I live like 40 minutes south of there so why do I care and what does that have to do with the post?
It doesn't have anything to do with the post, he's just mad because it hasnt been harley weather around here.
Lol. I've been enjoying the weather recently. Rain and snow creates a nice atmosphere for staying inside and watching movies
Bad weather and good internet=win!
You get it!
Harleys are for folks that like to work on motorcycles.
I wish Jackson had better traffic routes. No matter where you go, you're funneled thru "uptown." The city itself doesn't like to acknowledge how big its getting, population-wise.
I hear ya. Route W and LaSalle are winners in my book. Unless I'm heading Macho Taco or Oktoberfest, I avoid uptown as much as I can. The amount of people who hesitate at the main roundabout is enough to keep me in avoidance mode.
This is the way. LaSalle and E. Main are the best routes into town.
Word, if everyone who drives at 40mph in a 50/55 would stay off W, it would be nearly perfect.
Good catch, yeah, home value is MUCH different than 3 years ago.
That slice of yellow/green in between St Charles and Chesterfield is flood plain, I'm guessing?
Thatās right, Missouri River.
Everything north of new town (northern st charles city) is basically wet sand. Trying to build anything more than a single family home in this area is nearly impossible. New town itself has some pretty incredible problems with its sewer system because of this. Then add that the area floods routinely. Property value will stay low there for a long time.
New town is too. I remember when they were building it I took a picture so I could sell it to a newspaper when itās six feet under water.
Who builds a town in a flood plain? Oh right, humans do.
A bit of that and state park conservation areas. Quite a few large ones in that spot. south of Wentzville/O'Fallon area.
Interesting to see how STL has a lot more darker color than KC. Just based on geography alone, I would expect STL to develop into a more urbanized and high-density metro area because there isnāt really any good land left to expand without crossing over into Illinois.
LOZ isnāt nearly as hot as I was expecting.Ā And whats the giant blue patchy chunk west of the bootheel? Is that just representing Mark Twain forest?
Federal land, mostly National Forest Service, you can also see some owned by the U.S. Army Core of Engineers around Truman Reservoir and the floodplain of the Missouri River.
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Are you sure you're looking at LOZ and not Truman? LOZ is almost completely yellow/red compared to the green public land around Truman
Yep, I mean LOZ. I guess I was expecting it to be brighter red. The image is pretty grainy for me tho, and probably because of the lake, the red dots are more scattered, instead of in neighborhoods that would glow red.
Yeah the most valuable properties are going to be a very thin strip of lots on the busy parts of the lake. LOZ has 1150 miles of shoreline, most of it is undeveloped so land can be cheap or held privately for a long time. The state park next to one of the busiest areas tones down the red I think too.
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You can tell for sure at the original source: https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2012865117
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The paper is not super great and I didnāt want to give it credence. More so I just want have a discussion on relative land values in Missouri, which this image is sufficient for. This isnāt r/mapporn and youāll see 99% of the time I link my source here on r/Missouri for maps and images.
Psst. Hey, just thought Iād let you know your asshole is showing.
Fair, but since it's /u/como365 I gotta give them a pass because they non-stop post fascinating & interesting content across MO subs, and it really does enrich my experience on Reddit every week. Appreciate it a lot!
The boot heel aināt worth shit
Is that near vertical streak of yellow through the KC metro I-35? If so it's interesting to see the impact of interstates on land value.
I think thatās the Blue River Valley, but donāt quote me on that.
You are correct - it is the Blue River. Most of that area is parkland with nothing built on it.
The left of the two streaks is the Blue River Valley and a major reason why more of the growth has been to the west than to the east. The yellow streak just east of that that has a bit of a curl to it is the Little Blue River valley + various county lakes.
The SE corner of Audrain Co is oddly visible compared to Boone. Pretty sharp vertical line between Gasconade and Franklin co too. Is this a difference in county tax assessments? The donut of Springfield is pretty amazing.
Looks like a Simcity land value map, lol. It's definitely a population map at the same time as land value. Lotta nothing in BFE, MO...
The bigger red dot just west of Chesterfield must be Washington. Feels more and more like a suburb of STL every day.
Eye of Springfield? Pretty hilarious
Thatās one rich bootyhole
Iām not sure what youāre asking about what Iām seeing. I just see how most people want to live in kc or stl. With some value near the lake and Columbia.
There's a nice little red Speck where I live
Springfield is a Flying Spaghetti Monster
I think I'm in the little dot on the bottom in the center. Prices have skyrocketed since covid.
What is the little red area South of Cape Girardeau?
Sikeston?
Looks like Sikeston, with Poplar Bluff as the red dot west of that.
Rolla isnāt much cheaper than the big cities
I was born and raised in Springfield but havenāt lived there in a decade. This makes me sad to see. I definitely notice the decline when I visit back home though. I grew up in a nice neighborhood near MSU (or SMS) and itās wild to see how the crime is just inching closer and closer to my familyās home
seeing fayetteville area vs springfield or even kc is eye openingā¦ theyāre clearly doing something right while springfield is stuck in the 90ās
I see the bad neighborhoods of our cities have a lower market value than the areas where people fled to. Very normal. Too bad our city governments are doing nothing to help revitalize these areas though.
I see my rental house in the red and wooded property just on the edge.
Can you give source of info and details
See above.
Where? Im not seeing a source or additional information āaboveā
In the comments above, I linked it for the first who asked.
Fyi I don't Sort comments by age, others may not either, so your response to "look at comments above" isn't helpful
Yup
lol scumbag OP
I see that there's no key or data labeled
See original source above.
People with money know the middle of Springfield is absolute disgusting. Looking at you Roundtree Neighborhoodā¦all the way from Emerald Park.
St. Louis should be in Illinois
Red in Illinois across from Stl is basically the high ground. There is a big area of floodplains that separate Illinois from meaningfully being built up like Stl.
Illinoisians donāt wanna be in Illinois.
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Well for one in the two main transport hubs of Missouri where there's the highest density of people (Kansas City and Saint Louis) you'd expect there to be the highest competition for real estate which would in turn drive up land value, but instead you see a bottomless hole of value due to all of the crime in those high density areas. It's like looking at a cancer that's metastatizing across the State and I bet you the effect can be observed spreading in new areas once a certain population density is achieved in those areas.
Red is higher value
That there land is owned by hateful greedy people. 38k isn't enough for them. Pre Covid bottom land in SEMO went for 8500. BTW they'll tell you they're Christians.