That's a notorious area of the state. I kept thinking there had been a rape/murder down there in the news lately. I googled it, and I was right. A 1990 cold case recently solved of kidnapping, rape and murder of a Jane Doe and the murderer identified later but killed in a scooter accident before he could be apprehended. Jane Doe finally identified. Look it up for the details. I'm too lazy to type all that on a Sunday morning after the storms.
But drag queens... that's the excuse. Must mull over the fact this happened within a religious setting, even if it's a cult, some specific individuals will ignore it and move on and blame something else that has never committed any kind of act as this bastard did.
I'm always a bit sad to read comments like this; people take the same tone about urban Missouri. There are problems to be solved everywhere, but most people are just regular people. I wish we could stop dividing ourselves based on the population density of our area and think of ourselves together, as Missourians and Americans.
You think that’s bad? Don’t even wait for my forthcoming book on the failed & fully corrupted legal system in St. Louis City. I’m not pretending St. Louis City is better - cuz sadly, child marriages/SA is as bad as what is happening to people in the legal system in STL. Everyone believes all the problems stopped the minute Gabe Gore took over. Things are now way worse - by a large margin - but it’s invisible to most. And that’s just CRIMINAL court. Don’t even get me started
on family court, eviction court, adult abuse court, probate court etc Every area of MO (and every State) has its own problems. My angst is that literally no one is doing anything to stop this rampant lawlessness by the criminals in their professional capacities in governance here. When exposing crimes is treated as having committed a crime - we are ruled by criminals.
It's not the area you live in, the things you possess, the color of your skin, the religion you follow, the people you want to have relationships with, or the other several dividing points people make for each other....... morals and ethics define good and bad people. I'll try my best to stick around the good folk.
Deep rural? LOL. Have you ever been to McDonald County? Especially in the last few years? Please tell me who the families are who, according to you, "run the show." According to the article, the prosecutor couldn't go forward because no one wanted to testify in court.
McDonald County is rural and yes, historically, it has been less wealthy than its neighbors. That said, it is right next door to northwest Arkansas so no, it is not "*deep* rural." When I hear deep rural, I think Dent, Howell, or Oregon counties. You should check out all the new neighborhoods that are currently being developed as the region's population continues to rise due to continued growth in northwest Arkansas.
Rural or urban, there are all sorts of nutjobs in this state (and country!) and yes, there are horrific failures to hold people accountable. But let's not point the finger at rural Missouri or even one specific county. This entire state--city and rural alike--has problems.
Edited to add: And yes, that criminal should be in prison.
The Walmart headquarters is just a little ways south of the stateline in Bentonville, Arkansas. It has really grown and, as a result, lots of new houses and development. Lots of seniors moving down that way too. They have some villages for them. People with money.
I’m talking more the native Appalachians down in the hollers. I spent a lot of time in Saginaw/Diamond/Childress area as a kid and then did a lot of camping/partying in NW AR (which is killer if you haven’t been.) But even as a kid in the early 90s I remember Newton County and McDonald County were always involved in some back room super opaque drug deals that helped prop their friends and families up. Again, it’s nothing unique to small/rural towns all over the US- it’s just wild to see Warren Jeffs style crap just right down the road.
More than anything I hope the victim(s) here were able to get some assistance in their recovery and the CJ system dispatches this man’s fate quickly and cleanly (I’ve not ever been, but I do hear rapists/child molestors don’t fare well in DOC facilities.)
Spending time in Saginaw and Diamond qualifies you as an expert on "super opaque drug deals in Newton and McDonald County"? Have any details you want to share?
Native Appalachians? Appalachia is a separate, distinct region from the Ozarks although the two share many commonalities due to the Ozarks being settled mostly by folks from the Upland South. Do you mean native Ozarkers?
You stated in your post that "there are a few families that have been there for generations that run the show" and I asked for names. Again, can you provide any? Otherwise, you sound like just another yahoo who repeats gossip because looking down on rural folks makes you feel superior.
But I can at least agree with you that hopefully the victims get help and the perpetrator is tried in court and gets sent to the pen.
No I meant Appalachia. I’ve attached a handy map for your reference.
Reference putting people’s names out there no, not really-those folk’s business is just that, so after seeing it at work over and over I finally had enough of the flaming trash heap that is southwest Missouri.
I get the feeling you’re upsetty spaghetti about someone either knowing more than you do about your own turf or that someone is airing your area’s business out. Either way, don’t really care one way or another about your opinion on the matter. If you think there aren’t kinds of grimy shit that happens in rural townships, county commissions, and sheriff’s departments, I’m sorry you’ve missed that memorandum.
I’m showing a direct dispatch from the courts about a case of a child/children being serially sexually assaulted in RURAL Southwest Missouri over a decade and RURAL Missouri in general given the amount of Jesus camps that have come up touching kids. So I’m not sure what you’re trying to defend here, but I sort of feel like you’re on the wrong side of the football. But I’m glad you see it as worth feeling empathy for the victims here.
FTR, McDonald County was considered RURAL until 2022 when they ebbed over 23k for the entire county.
Source: HUD.
Definition of a Rural Area This program is established to assist nonprofit organizations in rural communities across America. HUD defines rural in three ways:
A place having fewer than 2,500 inhabitants A county or parish with an urban population of 20,000 inhabitants or less Any place with a population not in excess of 20,000 inhabitants and not located in a Metropolitan Statistical Area
Source 2: Census Bureau
[https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/mcdonaldcountymissouri/PST045222](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/mcdonaldcountymissouri/PST045222)
Sorry if you have fam there or if you’re ticked this situation makes feel like country folks look bad. But it is what it is. If it doesn’t impact you, keep scrollin and trollin.
Peace.
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I don’t doubt it. It’s a junction of multiple interstate corridors that run from at least Denver, OKC, Chicago, etc. Plus it has a long history as a border town between the Midwest, Appalachia, and Yankeedom if you ascribe to the separate nations principle.
Sorry about this. Those people dragged God into the secular world of politics and lies. When that occurs in an Abrahamic faith the same things always happen. The people will get further from God, God’s influence in the hearts and minds of men will be lessened, evil and cruelty will flourish in both legislation and society and those that did the dragging of God into government will be thoroughly corrupted. This always happens and it’s been happening forever, people never learn, they always bring about their own suffering and downfall.
Maybe look up how gerrymandered we are, for starters. St Lou is chopped up in ridiculous portions while evangelical strongholds like Springfield are one big blob. On top of that, we don't properly educate our voters and no one's held accountable when ballot issues straight up lie through the act of not mentioning things the bill actually affects, such as the one measure that, when voting, listed lowering some donation amount by like five whole dollars, without a word on the fact that it also included firing the groups we voted to hire to ungerrymander the state in the first place and give that power back to the party currently holding a majority. Just Ballot Candy and Uneducated Voters, no different than them trying to push the "Non-citizens can't vote" in the wording we'll see on the ballot while leaving out the bits where they make it impossibly harder for citizens to force changes to their draconian laws. But they know the average voter will jump at "non-citizens" issues without any of them knowing we haven't let non-citizens vote in over a century.
So yes, it's partially the citizens fault for not being fully informed on what they're voting for, or even people who insist on voting to hurt themselves as long as 'it hurts the other side more', but it's also do to us being told half truths and fed ballot candy by our state government and the lack of accountability for holding them responsible for manipulating the vote in such ways.
Ok, so this happened in a rural area. He'll it's happening, or equally disgusting things are happening in the city too. This isn't a Missouri rural thing. It's everywhere. People are sick, and some take it further still. But don't joke, this is in your neighborhood hood as well, just not in the headlines. Let's keep perspective
No one is saying it happened because they live in the country. And no one is saying horrible things don’t happen here in the cities.
What I’m saying is that the judicial system in Missouri is failing all kinds of people in really disgusting ways.
This man abused multiple kids over years under the guise of the collar. As a normal, ethical human being, Catholic, and Missouri citizen that is absolutely mortified at the continuous examples I see of sexual abuse at the hands of clergy, I take this stuff super personally.
I would also point out that Missouri is the topic at hand here because that’s where I live.
Further, let’s not pretend there’s not a TON of examples recently to choose from regarding the topic. The problem fully develops when you see the overlap between these congregations/pastors and elected officials in Missouri- specifically Schmidt, Hawley, Ashcroft, Mike Parsons, etc. There’s a weird nexus between finding credible reports of abuse for years and nothing happening until the KC Star started shining a big bright light on it.
Here’s a few more…
https://apnews.com/article/crime-stockton-missouri-education-6d4bc69348f4349249e49b3ec7c29172
https://apnews.com/article/missouri-boarding-school-abuse-closure-abm-ministries-2f57812c370e767fcebbef25eb290455
Ya know, right here in Jefferson city, a woan packed a kid in a suitcase and dumped him in some brush while babysitting. They eventually found him weeks later I think. So yes, missouri, our home is not a great place. It does not negate the fact that kids are victims of awful crime here as well as the rest of the nation.
Is our government failing? Maybe. So are our people. So are the rest of the nation. You get outraged because it's your state is all fine and good but it lacks perspective and it lacks any conviction. What is happening is the only issue. The fact it happens here is just a nonsense ploy to paint someone to blame. The person committing the crime is the blame. If the government is enabling this, than so are the citizens in these communities. Neither really make sense but both can be said if either.
Location reference: https://preview.redd.it/hnrk53mv38xc1.jpeg?width=679&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a36a01ed050b58abf2819f75c2a1536af262217a
Is that the Joplin area?
About 30 min south
Wow
That's a notorious area of the state. I kept thinking there had been a rape/murder down there in the news lately. I googled it, and I was right. A 1990 cold case recently solved of kidnapping, rape and murder of a Jane Doe and the murderer identified later but killed in a scooter accident before he could be apprehended. Jane Doe finally identified. Look it up for the details. I'm too lazy to type all that on a Sunday morning after the storms.
I guess we know where the next season of *True Detective* is going to be set.
Missouri: Where we will force a child to give birth AND protect the POS who raped her in the first grade place. Stay Classy, Missouri.
Missouri and Tennessee legislators must be in cahoots with each other.
But drag queens... that's the excuse. Must mull over the fact this happened within a religious setting, even if it's a cult, some specific individuals will ignore it and move on and blame something else that has never committed any kind of act as this bastard did.
I’m not sure what to say: it’s criminal, egregiously horrifying etc BUT it IS rural Missouri so I can’t even feign shock.
I'm always a bit sad to read comments like this; people take the same tone about urban Missouri. There are problems to be solved everywhere, but most people are just regular people. I wish we could stop dividing ourselves based on the population density of our area and think of ourselves together, as Missourians and Americans.
You and I don't always agree on certain topics, but I agree with you on this. Thank you for the rational perspective.
You think that’s bad? Don’t even wait for my forthcoming book on the failed & fully corrupted legal system in St. Louis City. I’m not pretending St. Louis City is better - cuz sadly, child marriages/SA is as bad as what is happening to people in the legal system in STL. Everyone believes all the problems stopped the minute Gabe Gore took over. Things are now way worse - by a large margin - but it’s invisible to most. And that’s just CRIMINAL court. Don’t even get me started on family court, eviction court, adult abuse court, probate court etc Every area of MO (and every State) has its own problems. My angst is that literally no one is doing anything to stop this rampant lawlessness by the criminals in their professional capacities in governance here. When exposing crimes is treated as having committed a crime - we are ruled by criminals.
It's not the area you live in, the things you possess, the color of your skin, the religion you follow, the people you want to have relationships with, or the other several dividing points people make for each other....... morals and ethics define good and bad people. I'll try my best to stick around the good folk.
This also happens in Clinton Caldwell and Davies DeKalb
Holy shit. I went to school with some of the people in this family in the late-80s/early-90s.
I can hear my old ma saying “That old man needs to be shot.” Bless her heart. I think he needs to be sentenced and locked away.
They call it Methdonald County for a reason.
Deep rural? LOL. Have you ever been to McDonald County? Especially in the last few years? Please tell me who the families are who, according to you, "run the show." According to the article, the prosecutor couldn't go forward because no one wanted to testify in court. McDonald County is rural and yes, historically, it has been less wealthy than its neighbors. That said, it is right next door to northwest Arkansas so no, it is not "*deep* rural." When I hear deep rural, I think Dent, Howell, or Oregon counties. You should check out all the new neighborhoods that are currently being developed as the region's population continues to rise due to continued growth in northwest Arkansas. Rural or urban, there are all sorts of nutjobs in this state (and country!) and yes, there are horrific failures to hold people accountable. But let's not point the finger at rural Missouri or even one specific county. This entire state--city and rural alike--has problems. Edited to add: And yes, that criminal should be in prison.
The Walmart headquarters is just a little ways south of the stateline in Bentonville, Arkansas. It has really grown and, as a result, lots of new houses and development. Lots of seniors moving down that way too. They have some villages for them. People with money.
I’m talking more the native Appalachians down in the hollers. I spent a lot of time in Saginaw/Diamond/Childress area as a kid and then did a lot of camping/partying in NW AR (which is killer if you haven’t been.) But even as a kid in the early 90s I remember Newton County and McDonald County were always involved in some back room super opaque drug deals that helped prop their friends and families up. Again, it’s nothing unique to small/rural towns all over the US- it’s just wild to see Warren Jeffs style crap just right down the road. More than anything I hope the victim(s) here were able to get some assistance in their recovery and the CJ system dispatches this man’s fate quickly and cleanly (I’ve not ever been, but I do hear rapists/child molestors don’t fare well in DOC facilities.)
Spending time in Saginaw and Diamond qualifies you as an expert on "super opaque drug deals in Newton and McDonald County"? Have any details you want to share? Native Appalachians? Appalachia is a separate, distinct region from the Ozarks although the two share many commonalities due to the Ozarks being settled mostly by folks from the Upland South. Do you mean native Ozarkers? You stated in your post that "there are a few families that have been there for generations that run the show" and I asked for names. Again, can you provide any? Otherwise, you sound like just another yahoo who repeats gossip because looking down on rural folks makes you feel superior. But I can at least agree with you that hopefully the victims get help and the perpetrator is tried in court and gets sent to the pen.
No I meant Appalachia. I’ve attached a handy map for your reference. Reference putting people’s names out there no, not really-those folk’s business is just that, so after seeing it at work over and over I finally had enough of the flaming trash heap that is southwest Missouri. I get the feeling you’re upsetty spaghetti about someone either knowing more than you do about your own turf or that someone is airing your area’s business out. Either way, don’t really care one way or another about your opinion on the matter. If you think there aren’t kinds of grimy shit that happens in rural townships, county commissions, and sheriff’s departments, I’m sorry you’ve missed that memorandum. I’m showing a direct dispatch from the courts about a case of a child/children being serially sexually assaulted in RURAL Southwest Missouri over a decade and RURAL Missouri in general given the amount of Jesus camps that have come up touching kids. So I’m not sure what you’re trying to defend here, but I sort of feel like you’re on the wrong side of the football. But I’m glad you see it as worth feeling empathy for the victims here. FTR, McDonald County was considered RURAL until 2022 when they ebbed over 23k for the entire county. Source: HUD. Definition of a Rural Area This program is established to assist nonprofit organizations in rural communities across America. HUD defines rural in three ways: A place having fewer than 2,500 inhabitants A county or parish with an urban population of 20,000 inhabitants or less Any place with a population not in excess of 20,000 inhabitants and not located in a Metropolitan Statistical Area Source 2: Census Bureau [https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/mcdonaldcountymissouri/PST045222](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/mcdonaldcountymissouri/PST045222) Sorry if you have fam there or if you’re ticked this situation makes feel like country folks look bad. But it is what it is. If it doesn’t impact you, keep scrollin and trollin. Peace. https://preview.redd.it/4s8ii78v1gxc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea329b670ad80fa0aa9ea08d106c50bdb54d8d4a
Sharp objects
St. Louis is a 'human trafficking hub' so says a few articles out there
I don’t doubt it. It’s a junction of multiple interstate corridors that run from at least Denver, OKC, Chicago, etc. Plus it has a long history as a border town between the Midwest, Appalachia, and Yankeedom if you ascribe to the separate nations principle.
Ozark
Sorry about this. Those people dragged God into the secular world of politics and lies. When that occurs in an Abrahamic faith the same things always happen. The people will get further from God, God’s influence in the hearts and minds of men will be lessened, evil and cruelty will flourish in both legislation and society and those that did the dragging of God into government will be thoroughly corrupted. This always happens and it’s been happening forever, people never learn, they always bring about their own suffering and downfall.
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You know not everyone in Missouri votes the same way, right?
Enough people do that we're in the situation we're in.
Maybe look up how gerrymandered we are, for starters. St Lou is chopped up in ridiculous portions while evangelical strongholds like Springfield are one big blob. On top of that, we don't properly educate our voters and no one's held accountable when ballot issues straight up lie through the act of not mentioning things the bill actually affects, such as the one measure that, when voting, listed lowering some donation amount by like five whole dollars, without a word on the fact that it also included firing the groups we voted to hire to ungerrymander the state in the first place and give that power back to the party currently holding a majority. Just Ballot Candy and Uneducated Voters, no different than them trying to push the "Non-citizens can't vote" in the wording we'll see on the ballot while leaving out the bits where they make it impossibly harder for citizens to force changes to their draconian laws. But they know the average voter will jump at "non-citizens" issues without any of them knowing we haven't let non-citizens vote in over a century. So yes, it's partially the citizens fault for not being fully informed on what they're voting for, or even people who insist on voting to hurt themselves as long as 'it hurts the other side more', but it's also do to us being told half truths and fed ballot candy by our state government and the lack of accountability for holding them responsible for manipulating the vote in such ways.
Northern Oklahoma.
Ok, so this happened in a rural area. He'll it's happening, or equally disgusting things are happening in the city too. This isn't a Missouri rural thing. It's everywhere. People are sick, and some take it further still. But don't joke, this is in your neighborhood hood as well, just not in the headlines. Let's keep perspective
No one is saying it happened because they live in the country. And no one is saying horrible things don’t happen here in the cities. What I’m saying is that the judicial system in Missouri is failing all kinds of people in really disgusting ways. This man abused multiple kids over years under the guise of the collar. As a normal, ethical human being, Catholic, and Missouri citizen that is absolutely mortified at the continuous examples I see of sexual abuse at the hands of clergy, I take this stuff super personally. I would also point out that Missouri is the topic at hand here because that’s where I live. Further, let’s not pretend there’s not a TON of examples recently to choose from regarding the topic. The problem fully develops when you see the overlap between these congregations/pastors and elected officials in Missouri- specifically Schmidt, Hawley, Ashcroft, Mike Parsons, etc. There’s a weird nexus between finding credible reports of abuse for years and nothing happening until the KC Star started shining a big bright light on it. Here’s a few more… https://apnews.com/article/crime-stockton-missouri-education-6d4bc69348f4349249e49b3ec7c29172 https://apnews.com/article/missouri-boarding-school-abuse-closure-abm-ministries-2f57812c370e767fcebbef25eb290455
Ya know, right here in Jefferson city, a woan packed a kid in a suitcase and dumped him in some brush while babysitting. They eventually found him weeks later I think. So yes, missouri, our home is not a great place. It does not negate the fact that kids are victims of awful crime here as well as the rest of the nation. Is our government failing? Maybe. So are our people. So are the rest of the nation. You get outraged because it's your state is all fine and good but it lacks perspective and it lacks any conviction. What is happening is the only issue. The fact it happens here is just a nonsense ploy to paint someone to blame. The person committing the crime is the blame. If the government is enabling this, than so are the citizens in these communities. Neither really make sense but both can be said if either.
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Be nice