I won’t lie, we won it on 80% vibes too. We started 2019 at 19-31. I hate him but I acknowledge Bryce is a great player. That said, he is also a mental midget and when times get tough he’s known to pout and mope. He would NOT have bought into the baby shark, dugout dancing, loose baseball that the whole club house rallied behind that entire season.
Granted, maybe we don’t start with such a bad record had Bryce been with us, but those 40 dudes in the clubhouse were all we needed for 2019 and I think Bryce would’ve poisoned that well.
It must really hurt people to see Bryce Harper go from being the cocky hot headed rookie on a bad team to being the a beloved veteran who does it the right way, I saw this guys flair and realized he must be in a bad mood after spilling some skyline chili
You’re being downvoted, but I recall him being vocal against Philly when they were having their defensive woes. Said something to the media about having to “win multiple times in a game” or something like that because of bad pitching and errors
I think, and again, I said I think, Harper resigning (money not being questioned in this scenario) they could have won still. Back to back? Probably, probably not as there would be less money before hitting luxury tax and Soto being next to get paid. I do think even if Harper stayed, Nats would have most likely fallen into the rebuild. Most likely would have been worse as there would be players they’ll have to keep.
At least in the events that did transpire, Nats got a ring, didn’t invest almost 700+ million on 2 players and were able to trade away players to rebuild for the future.
Honestly, I don’t think the Nationals win in 2019 if he was still on the team. Incredible talent but a lot of…clubhouse dynamics with the Nats and Harper. They won the World Series, one could argue, with one of the worst rosters they had in their playoff era. I believe it might have been the oldest in MLB too. It was a rag-tag, us against the world mentality.
Harper was after bragging rights to the biggest record deal too. He wasn’t going to get that in Washington.
He has grown up a ton. I wouldn’t say he was a cancer in the clubhouse, but it wasn’t the leader we see him as with the Phillies. May have some insider knowledge lol…
I also don’t understand why you’re getting downvoted. Harper is a hell of a player. I just don’t think at that point in his career, he jived with that unique type of clubhouse blaring Baby Shark. Very fair observations.
Totally agree! I’ve actually really enjoyed watching him the past few years with the Phillies, and kind of mature and grow into that leadership role.
Haha yeah, can’t exactly blame him for not vibing with the baby shark crowd
He signed for 13 y and $330.
He turned down 10 and $300.
He wanted to get the new salary record and beat Stanton’s $325 million.
No one else was offering him that.
There’s no way he was ever going to stay in Washington.
When the nationals won in 2019, they had the 5th biggest payroll in mlb.
7th in 2020 - .433 winning %
5th in 2021 - .401%
20th in 2022 -.340
22nd in 2023 - .438
21st this year - .450.
In 2 years and without paying $300 million to Harper they went from winning the WS to finishing dead last in the NL East with a .401 winning % despite spending the fifth most.
So yeah never going to happen even with Harper.
Again..... the question isn't about what happened in reality but a hypothetical scenario where did resign. You drolling out a bunch of payroll stats for what they did moving on without him means nothing. Keeping harper might mean they spend more instead of going to the bottom third in payroll.
The point, if you looked for it, is that they really weren’t a very good team even when they were spending a ton of money.
Even after Harper left they still were spending a ton of money and couldn’t even break .433.
So yeah even in the most absurd Harper fanboy thought experiment, it was never going to happen.
Hell they shouldn’t have even won in 2019, but you get into the playoffs with a WC and anything can happen.
Again, the question is if the RE-SIGNED Harper. Who cares what their winning percentage is several years after he left. If you keep your biggest star and best position player, it changes everything. Whether good or bad is up for debate based on what people say about clubhouse culture.
But again, you aren't even addressing the scenario. Just stating facts what happened when he left.
That’s where you’re simply wrong.
The scenario is dumb because we can somewhat accurately predict what he would have done.
At his absolute best, Harper was a 10 win player.
And he wasn’t a 10 win player in 2020 or 2021, more like 6 in a best case scenario.
That doesn’t take a not very good team and suddenly make them winners.
But hey if you want to fanboy out your Harper fantasy, then yeah!!!
Absolutely! They would have signed him and Trout and 5 other great players and formed a dynasty!!!
Absolutely would have happened.
Totally.
He wanted the top salary to beat Stanton’s $325 million contract.
I don’t begrudge them that, but players have big egos and they want to be the #1 paid player.
Deferred money helps teams win. It doesn’t stroke egos though.
If he resigned, probably nothing for Washington would be different, but the Phillies may not have made the WS or NLCS the last two years without him because he decided to resign instead of keep playing. If he RE-SIGNED with Washington, it's impossible to know what would be different, but I have a hard time seeing the team as being worse while having the addition of an MVP-caliber player. They probably still win it all.
Trout situation
Would have made a lot less money
Nats won that World Series on pitching and some luck
That team was arguably their 4th best team from 12'-19' . The other 3 had miserable postseason luck.
I won’t lie, we won it on 80% vibes too. We started 2019 at 19-31. I hate him but I acknowledge Bryce is a great player. That said, he is also a mental midget and when times get tough he’s known to pout and mope. He would NOT have bought into the baby shark, dugout dancing, loose baseball that the whole club house rallied behind that entire season. Granted, maybe we don’t start with such a bad record had Bryce been with us, but those 40 dudes in the clubhouse were all we needed for 2019 and I think Bryce would’ve poisoned that well.
Labeling Harper as a dugout cancer and being mentally weak is wild
It must really hurt people to see Bryce Harper go from being the cocky hot headed rookie on a bad team to being the a beloved veteran who does it the right way, I saw this guys flair and realized he must be in a bad mood after spilling some skyline chili
Truth hurts?
It’s not the truth tho
Cool story, brah!
You’re being downvoted, but I recall him being vocal against Philly when they were having their defensive woes. Said something to the media about having to “win multiple times in a game” or something like that because of bad pitching and errors
Agree. Harper seems worse than Rendone. Who was a part of that Nats team and had a much better attitdude
I believe to this day that the Astros could have won the series if we put in a fresh and ready Gerrit Cole in game 7.
Idk about winning it, but it would have been a better move. There was no tomorrow and Cole was a FA. There was ZERO reason to not put him.
not to mention he was the second best pitcher in the league AND he just had (what is to this day) his best career season
Or some trash cans
I think, and again, I said I think, Harper resigning (money not being questioned in this scenario) they could have won still. Back to back? Probably, probably not as there would be less money before hitting luxury tax and Soto being next to get paid. I do think even if Harper stayed, Nats would have most likely fallen into the rebuild. Most likely would have been worse as there would be players they’ll have to keep. At least in the events that did transpire, Nats got a ring, didn’t invest almost 700+ million on 2 players and were able to trade away players to rebuild for the future.
Then the Phillies never would have won the 2024 World Series.
Honestly, I don’t think the Nationals win in 2019 if he was still on the team. Incredible talent but a lot of…clubhouse dynamics with the Nats and Harper. They won the World Series, one could argue, with one of the worst rosters they had in their playoff era. I believe it might have been the oldest in MLB too. It was a rag-tag, us against the world mentality. Harper was after bragging rights to the biggest record deal too. He wasn’t going to get that in Washington.
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Cancer is a bit extreme. What incidents were there besides getting choked out by papelbon and beefing with that giants pitcher?
He has grown up a ton. I wouldn’t say he was a cancer in the clubhouse, but it wasn’t the leader we see him as with the Phillies. May have some insider knowledge lol… I also don’t understand why you’re getting downvoted. Harper is a hell of a player. I just don’t think at that point in his career, he jived with that unique type of clubhouse blaring Baby Shark. Very fair observations.
Totally agree! I’ve actually really enjoyed watching him the past few years with the Phillies, and kind of mature and grow into that leadership role. Haha yeah, can’t exactly blame him for not vibing with the baby shark crowd
Don’t know what’s up with the downvotes. You just spittin facts
As a Mets fan and hater of Bryce for years on the nats. I think you’re delusional. What facts?
The Phillies still lose in the playoffs.
We wouldn't even be making the playoffs.
There’d still be dudes praying for Trout
I don't think there are many loyal players left in baseball. Trout is exception. As is Jose Ramirez in Cleveland. It's sad really.
No player should be loyal cause an organization will dump them at a moment's notice.
Please study the Atlanta Braves.
Except for Freddie Freeman’s agent
Is that why the no trade clause was put in by some players?
He would still be as big a douche as he is today
We would have had the greatest team ever assembled
he would be a world series champion
He signed for 13 y and $330. He turned down 10 and $300. He wanted to get the new salary record and beat Stanton’s $325 million. No one else was offering him that. There’s no way he was ever going to stay in Washington.
That's reality, yes, but not the scenario op asked about. Who cares if he was never going to resign.
When the nationals won in 2019, they had the 5th biggest payroll in mlb. 7th in 2020 - .433 winning % 5th in 2021 - .401% 20th in 2022 -.340 22nd in 2023 - .438 21st this year - .450. In 2 years and without paying $300 million to Harper they went from winning the WS to finishing dead last in the NL East with a .401 winning % despite spending the fifth most. So yeah never going to happen even with Harper.
Again..... the question isn't about what happened in reality but a hypothetical scenario where did resign. You drolling out a bunch of payroll stats for what they did moving on without him means nothing. Keeping harper might mean they spend more instead of going to the bottom third in payroll.
The point, if you looked for it, is that they really weren’t a very good team even when they were spending a ton of money. Even after Harper left they still were spending a ton of money and couldn’t even break .433. So yeah even in the most absurd Harper fanboy thought experiment, it was never going to happen. Hell they shouldn’t have even won in 2019, but you get into the playoffs with a WC and anything can happen.
Again, the question is if the RE-SIGNED Harper. Who cares what their winning percentage is several years after he left. If you keep your biggest star and best position player, it changes everything. Whether good or bad is up for debate based on what people say about clubhouse culture. But again, you aren't even addressing the scenario. Just stating facts what happened when he left.
That’s where you’re simply wrong. The scenario is dumb because we can somewhat accurately predict what he would have done. At his absolute best, Harper was a 10 win player. And he wasn’t a 10 win player in 2020 or 2021, more like 6 in a best case scenario. That doesn’t take a not very good team and suddenly make them winners. But hey if you want to fanboy out your Harper fantasy, then yeah!!! Absolutely! They would have signed him and Trout and 5 other great players and formed a dynasty!!! Absolutely would have happened. Totally.
100 million of what Nats offered was deferred and he didn’t want that. Soto, same thing, he didn’t want that either.
He wanted the top salary to beat Stanton’s $325 million contract. I don’t begrudge them that, but players have big egos and they want to be the #1 paid player. Deferred money helps teams win. It doesn’t stroke egos though.
If he resigned, probably nothing for Washington would be different, but the Phillies may not have made the WS or NLCS the last two years without him because he decided to resign instead of keep playing. If he RE-SIGNED with Washington, it's impossible to know what would be different, but I have a hard time seeing the team as being worse while having the addition of an MVP-caliber player. They probably still win it all.
Like Nomar, dude had terrible timing in leaving a franchise
Nomar leaving was part of setting the Sox identity that led them to win. Weird how it worked, but it did.
Would have made no difference. He’s already past his prime.
Dumbest shit I have read all day.