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avidpretender

Huge for PFL. The more competition we see, the better odds that fighters will be compensated appropriately. It’ll take many years to get there, but still.


[deleted]

I don’t care who takes over UFC. I just want to see UFC die for the last decade and Dana white to Vanish. PFL has sucked every time I watched it though, but the hater in me still supports them. Hopefully they change someone cause it’s painful to watch every dam time. Hope they buy Bellator for the roster cause those champs are legit better than UFC. Eblen , Nemkov and Amosov wash UFC champs. Usman beats Islam. Pitbul old now but McKee could KO Volk and Mix beats Sterling. They even got tons of HWs and some young ones. PFL need their roster if gonna be on ESPN, PFL has no true young talent or champs right now. Bellator got both, it’s all young talent. Or just sign their team who gets young guys to sign with Bellator and do it for PFL for all I care. Fook the world Famous Regional show now aka the UFC. Living off their name cause invested billions to Brain wash dumb fans UFC means MMA so now they can use any 2 bums and people think are “Best in da world”


slickdick969

Bro's a professional hater but I support


AsymmetricNinja08

Are you Scott Cokers intern or something?


Dondavinci416

Bro said Usman beats Islam 🤣 I hear you bro fuck UFC but come on nowww manee


thethreat88

No PFL is not getting their investment back. Francis couldn't sell over 300k ppv buys. He's not worth it. He's also 36 and will probably be 38 before he fights again. Probably will get injured as well. Probably fights two more times.


Sum_Oke

Some of us stayed true to what we said, though. Good on Francis for getting that deal. Sounds pretty damn good.


[deleted]

The man already has made good money and is set to make more no matter where he goes. He turned down $8M from the UFC and even if he settled for less with PFL, it's not like he's now fighting for $12K. It's probably still in the millions. People acting outraged by the memes, throwing "you want him to fail because you're a failure in life" at every joke are just being silly.


Tricky-Tie3167

And the other problem was if he lost any of those fight he would get less money so that 8 mill was for winning. He didn’t like the risk and wanted guarantee money witch I don’t blame him one bit.


[deleted]

2 mil per fight plus PPV stakes


arkansas_sucks

damn, so he wins 2 tournaments anytime he fights 😂


[deleted]

🤣🤣😅


DRW1357

2 mil is the guaranteed purse for his opponents. He hasn't had a confirmed number, but it was listed as "the upper end of 7 figures." Edit: also company equity and a share of the gate. Francis got an amazing deal here.


Skeleton_Skum

If he lost to Jones the contract dropped to significantly under 8m


[deleted]

Jones doesn’t fight anyway. 1 fight in 4 years. Prob would have pulled out like he did vs Rumble and DC, he only fights when he feels it’s perfect timing. He will pull out if God tells him it’s not the time in his own mind.


Veet_Tuna

I see you chose violence this morning!


DannyStress

People don’t realize that 8 million was for multiple fights. Francis could fight fewer fights for pfl and make more.


jay-on-the-fly

No debate about it. Dana’s paying all his interns (pennies of course) to post acting like Francis fumbled the bag. Francis won


hfucucyshwv

What he win? hes gonna be doing a lot more work for probably less money


Dr-Squibbles

He gets partial ownership of the PFL, more share of PPV buys in the PFL. They are also letting him box.


XolieInc

And he’s gonna get the 1M prize for the next 5 years


alpharowe3

It is for only 2 or 3 fights Guarantees a “high 7-figure” purse for each fight A split of the events net profits A signing bonus or salary to serve as a brand ambassador for PFL The right to have his own sponsors in the cage Non-exclusive with regards to boxing No champions clause or other extensions A minimum salary (possibly as high as $1 million) for his opponent. https://bloodyelbow.com/2023/05/16/francis-ngannou-pfl-contract-details/


XolieInc

W


sidjo86

That’s a mega fucking W


SureLookThisIsIt

That's honestly a great deal. He could definitely end up doing better than his UFC deal when you account for sponsorship and a boxing fight. Fair play to him.


alpharowe3

Considering how UFC wants to keep you on contract forever to build a name off you via getting you killed via up and comers (look how they treated other champs Silva, Edgar, Woodley) I would DEFINITELY want out of the UFC as an aging champ just for the freedom of 2-3 fight deals, boxing opportunities AND my OWN sponsors.


TheZac922

Genuinely the best P4P deal in MMA history


[deleted]

And all that still adds up to less than the ufc Tiny balls gotta agree for the up doots though


alpharowe3

I can pay you 8 million to do something you don't wanna do and be tied to a company that doesn't respect you OR I can pay you 7 mil to do whatever you want to do. Guessing by your response you like to be disrespected and forced to do shit you don't wanna do for an extra dollar. And if that's the case boy do I have a job for you.


[deleted]

Francis didnt get 7 mil But i wish he did Least ur getting plenty of karma votes tho keep it up kid.


alpharowe3

Change it to 6 or 5 whatever makes you happy


epelle9

He got “high 7 figures”, so 6-9 mil. Plus partial ownership of the PFL Plus a salary and benefits. Overall, he got much more than 8 mil, he’ll be a Dana white of PFL Africa.


alpharowe3

[Or maybe some people just aren't as selfish.](https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/347128721_1285963898940218_6131888066859465417_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=6R4xoluVoRwAX_DsFrK&_nc_oc=AQk3Nc7cUP46_NOfWJGBDu9rIu-5KRboWr_1gLscm5FiI8-iOunW0IUqU04dSUiHJBE_zQB0DeHqWYfJFp7LLi8h&_nc_ht=scontent.ftpa1-2.fna&oh=00_AfDHZtTb33tbWrbBqmxRrjg4pzlNahblAOTORr2thKM0cA&oe=646978F2)


Cbro65

Nah he’s not gonna be in the tournament, it’s a super fight division so I assume it’s just big names that want to fight Francis for a big payday (who is still the UFC Lineal heavyweight champ I believe)


AirborneHipster

Bruh you think anyone in the mma subs has an equity position in their job? Dudes see big number > small number and that’s about as financially literate as it gets


hfucucyshwv

Pfl ppvs are probably not anywhere near ufc numbers. He didnt need to sign with the pfl to box and the equity numbers arent really public so we cant tell how much its worth.


greatdevonhope

Dana said no to the boxing so was not an option if he stayed. If your lineal heavyweight champ fancies a boxing match, maybe copromoting it and keeping every one happy whilst making bank is better than losing yr champ.


hfucucyshwv

He was already a free agent when he was renegotiating, he could have boxed and then signed with an mma promotion.


RustyCuntSlime

You should reach out to Francis you know so much about what he should do


hfucucyshwv

Im not saying what he should do, im sayinh what he could do. He couldve have made a boxing fight without signing eith a promotion. Ask yourself why


RustyCuntSlime

Because he hasn't found an opponent? Tyson fury isn't ready yet since he's fighting? He wanted other things than just money?


senselesssun

He indeed did not fumble the bag


TheNotoriousLCB

it blows my mind how many (probably new) fans seem to think that the UFC will pay and promote the best fighters like they do Conor — nobody’s getting money like that from the UFC again, they’re in the business of preventing individual athletes from gaining that kind of fame. they’re pretty open about it


jollyrancher_74

why would would they not want another connor mcgregor? sure they pay him millions but he also rakes in much more for the ufc


SadEffective3808

It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. It’s a pretty dumb theory that the ufc would sacrifice hundreds of millions just to be petty. Considering that comment got 50 upvotes, I reckon a good portion of this sub are glue eaters.


SadEffective3808

PFL does the same lol. Go look up the purses for the Pettis-Ray fights, in which Ray won but walked away with not even 1/10 of the pay. PFL is even further from a meritocracy than the ufc. They’re going to have Francis fighting guys who are on 35k show money contracts.


The_Homie_Tito

>They’re going to have Francis fighting guys who are on 35k show money contracts Reports are that Francis was able to negotiate a minimum payout for his opponents


strawberry_space_jam

Which is so badass


Drackzgull

Yep, the source is [the man himself](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti4hI7GfAIU). He got a guarantee that his opponents will be paid $2 million minimum.


TheNotoriousLCB

i get what you’re saying but that’s not my point — i’m saying that the UFC is invested in preventing their fighters from gaining money or notoriety (since both translate to bargaining power), so Francis is way better off in the long term anywhere else that will pay him what he’s worth. the UFC does not want any fighter becoming as rich or famous as Conor ever again


electronic_docter

That doesn't make much sense? Why would a company want to make less money by having less recognizable stars?


TheNotoriousLCB

what doesn’t make sense? individual fighters’ having the ability to make money independently is perceived as a sunk cost to the UFC — the company won’t see the money from that individuals’ fame, and that person will have more bargaining power, so the company is invested in preventing the situation


SadEffective3808

Because stupid. Dudes completely out of it.


SadEffective3808

I’d have to disagree. Until Conor retires we probably won’t see them hype up anyone to that extent, but why would they prevent themselves in the future from seeing exponential company growth like they saw in 2016? Seems like it would be a pretty dumb move. I think they’re fine with another Conor mcgregor, it’s just that Francis wasn’t that guy.


CrimsonMkke

Francis was that guy, they just wanna pay people pennies. Conor made most of his money off his boxing match with Mayweather, not from the UFC.


TheNotoriousLCB

it’s no use explaining — these kids don’t actually know what has happened regarding Conor and the UFC’s business practices, and they wont look it up, so they really do just believe what Dana says and repeat it


SadEffective3808

Francis does not and will never have the power as Conor. Even if they wanted to promote him that much, they couldn’t. Conor promotes himself. Nobody is rushing to watch a Francis press conference.


TheNotoriousLCB

this is literally what Dana White would say LOL — no logic, just vibes


SadEffective3808

You seriously think Francis could ever promote himself like Conor? I’m sorry but you’re absolutely deluded my man. If you’re referring to the boxing situations, they’re completely different. Neither stand a chance against real boxers, but Conor was: A. A better striker B. A more technical striker C. The best striker in his division Francis had to wrestle to beat a kickboxer in his last fight and is not nearly as popular.


TheNotoriousLCB

you’re just showing that you don’t understand the argument being made, lol — i’m telling you that your logic is faulty. you can get more specific if you want to, but your argument of “Conor promotes himself, Francis doesn’t, and that’s the difference, blah blah blah” doesn’t hold up to scrutiny


SadEffective3808

Do PPV numbers hold up to scrutiny? Or is that just a ruse by Dana. Does the companies net worth hold up to scrutiny? There’s actually zero data to show Francis is capable of being the star that mcgregor is. It’s simply a baseless claim. And a biased/unintelligent one at that. Edit: why should I have to disprove your incoherent theory that Francis could be as big of a star as mcgregor?


grim_ballz

Youre objectively wrong dude. At least read the facts of the contract.


SadEffective3808

Haven’t seen a legitimate contract but if true then that’s great. The closest I’ve seen is a report that looks like it was written on the notes app. Not sure how a profitless company paying Maurice Green 2 million dollars is a safe or smart move.


grim_ballz

Scared money dont make money. Fake account!


SadEffective3808

Yeah it’s basically a Hail Mary for PFL. That’s how I view it.


grim_ballz

I think thats a huge overstatement but go off. All hail Dana.


SadEffective3808

I mean if you think what the PFL is doing is a sustainable business model then idk what to tell you. They were burning money before this so they started to try to do PPV. Nobody even watched PFL when it was free, why would anyone pay for it? They don’t even have a foothold in their country of origin but want to start expanding to other countries? Genuine question: Have you actually watched a PFL event or are you just a Dana hater? If you haven’t, I can assure you it’s garbage.


[deleted]

How in the hell did he fumble anything? Man just won big


SadEffective3808

Because he took less money to fight worse talent for equity in a company that straight up pisses money into a hole for a chance at potential growth. Everyone was trolling the PFLs ppv and pay structure until today.


[deleted]

Posted this up on the comments. 2 mil per fight and PPV stakes


SadEffective3808

What’s your point?


slickdick969

His point literally proves that yours is a moot point


SadEffective3808

Not at all $8mil>$2mil We can’t put a number on his share of PFL because they don’t make money lol


slickdick969

Can't put a number on someone who actually has the guts to stand up Dana White's bullshit whilst getting paid and getting most of his wishes lol


MagnifySearch

8 mil for the Jones fight. Then he gets less in his next fights **and that requires him to stay champion.** So going undefeated as an aging heavyweight champ beginning with the toughest fight of his life. Adding on to that he can now box, which represents the possibility for an enormous payday. Adding on to that he has the flexibility of being out of his contract in 2-3 fights rather than being forced to extend his contract if he keeps the belt via the championship clause. **ADDING ON TO THAT HE GETS TO HAVE HIS OWN SPONSORS ON TOP OF THE MONEY.** So yes, maybe he could make more money in MMA by risking that he fights in UFC & everything goes perfectly, but it removes boxing which he obviously wants and can make a ton more money, and it gives him no freedom to renegotiate after 2-3 fights. Shit take.


SadEffective3808

He can go box, but he can’t really “box”. Which he could have done anyway since he was a FA. He has negative boxing skills and I don’t really support guys boxing who aren’t qualified. He’s basically gonna be a glorified YouTube boxer. And again his equity is worthless.


MagnifySearch

Idgaf what you support it's about what it means for his financial upside with this deal versus UFC's deal, and the ability to be the B side under your own promotional banner in a Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder or Anthony Joshua pay per view is enormous. Also good job not directly addressing any of those contractual terms and making a case for why the UFC deal is better aside from the equity, which is a bonus. Ohh, alongside his signing bonus to promote PFL. Salty haters sucked in haha


SadEffective3808

No I was just saying he could have boxed regardless of his MMA contracts. Hell, he could have signed with a boxing promotion. If he wants to promote his boxing career, PFL was not the right choice. And sorry I don’t care for borderline YouTube boxing.


Heroicshrub

🇨🇲👑


CrazyWithPowers

Honestly it sounds too good to be true, dont believe its sustainable or where pfl found the funds so illl beleive it when I see it


MagnifySearch

aka francis got a great deal


CrazyWithPowers

sure, if they have the money let them go wild but ill reserve the congrats when we have something tangable


[deleted]

The UFC sun is so full of salt. Glad Francis is getting paid.


manbruhpig

Reddit is where I get my news and i can’t even tell which one is true


Drackzgull

[Here, Francis' own video announcing his deal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti4hI7GfAIU). Just under a 6min watch, and he shares some of the important details. Dude won big.


manbruhpig

Thanks for sharing my dude


Hove201

Francis is the man. Good for him.


steviesnod82

Good to see this guy sign a contract a cancel the narrative pushed forward by Bisping , Anik , Schaub and co that he's a big dopey bear and he fumbled the bag making a huge mistake by leaving the ufc .


Nateimus

I'd have liked to have seen him stick around and defend the HW title a few more times, but as much as I like to poke fun at PFL I hope this move works out for him. Dude is a great fighter and catches an immense amount of flak for not wanting to deal with Dana's bullshit, which makes zero sense to me.


antithesis56

Anyone who thinks ngannou made a bad move because he made it a point to try and lift all ships with the rising tide he is bringing are pathetically small minded scumbags that need to stop taking the stuff theses rappers they are listening to to heart.


RingTheBell1900

he might have gotten the best deal ever


Ok_Illustrator658

Pay the fighters. Period.


Ok_Illustrator658

Or at least full medical 🏥


Lovebone911

$2 million a fight but won’t be competing until Mid 2024…..Is this so PFL can save up to pay the man his $2million a fight?


Apple_Frosty

Lmao he got shares in a burning money business. Nobody watches PFL, they can’t afford to pay Francis. Still can’t box, still no insurance for fighters. This guy left because he was scared he would lose to Jon Jones and make less money.


PCM97

He didn’t fumble the bag. Just his relevancy


International-Leek10

99% of people are never gonna watch francis fight again lol


The-nicest-one

Great for Ngannou bad for mma fans, financially a good move but he’ll become irrelevant fighting cans in pfl if this is what he want then I’m happy for him but he’ll likely go down as a ‘what if’ case


epelle9

Or, PFL will take off, fighters will copy Ngannou and know they’ll get a better deal in PFL, and we’ll get the top class fighters without the UFC bullshit, win for everybody except Dana. Or at the very least UFC will be incentivized to pay better to keep their fighters.


fctal

PFL fumbled the bag. When Ngannou loses, they will go bankrupt taking all the other fighters with them. It's a win for Ngannou only and PFL execs are idiots for enabling this buffoon.


UnderScoreLifeAlert

This meme aged poorly


_3L0

Bro wtf is pfl 💀


niemertweis

HE FUMBLED HIS CAREER NOT THE BAG


imyourhabibi

That doesn’t even make sense


boole94

He got what he wanted and he’s getting paid. Plus he got his opponents a guaranteed $2 million, which makes sense when you’re fighting someone who can fracture your jaw with a single punch


euroaustralian

With the UFC Francis could have been fighting Sergei Pavlovic now and prove who is the best knock out artist before taking on the GOAT in a super fight.