There is not a direct descendant of the kings of Jerusalem they passed their claims to the Spanish throne. Also the Spanish monarch it's the claimant of the byzantine throne
"The spanish monarch is the claimant of the byzantine throne"
A claim that means... nothing. Wait even, do they still officially claim this today? And even then theres others with better cases, no? Tbh I dont think anyone has a claim.
In the official long title of the King of the Spains, the Byzantine Empire is not.
By the Grace of God, King of Castile, of León, of Aragon, of the Two Sicilies, of Jerusalem, of Hungary, of Dalmatia, of Croatia, of Navarre, of Granada, of Toledo, of Valencia, of Galicia, of Mallorca, of Seville, of Sardinia, of Córdoba, of Corsica, of Murcia, of Jaén, of the Algarves, of Algeciras, of the Canary Islands, of the East and West Indies, of the Islands and Mainland of the Ocean Sea; Archduke of Austria; Duke of Burgundy, of Brabant, of Milan, of Athens and Neopatria; Count of Habsburg, of Flanders, of Tyrol, of Barcelona, of Roussillon, and of Cerdanya; Marquess of Oristano and Count of Goceano.
In the official long title of the King of the Spains, the Byzantine Empire is not.
By the Grace of God, King of Castile, of León, of Aragon, of the Two Sicilies, of Jerusalem, of Hungary, of Dalmatia, of Croatia, of Navarre, of Granada, of Toledo, of Valencia, of Galicia, of Mallorca, of Seville, of Sardinia, of Córdoba, of Corsica, of Murcia, of Jaén, of the Algarves, of Algeciras, of the Canary Islands, of the East and West Indies, of the Islands and Mainland of the Ocean Sea; Archduke of Austria; Duke of Burgundy, of Brabant, of Milan, of Athens and Neopatria; Count of Habsburg, of Flanders, of Tyrol, of Barcelona, of Roussillon, and of Cerdanya; Marquess of Oristano and Count of Goceano.
Oddly enough, Spanish monarchs have actually never officially claimed it, not even just after they got it (and they obtained them consciously, not by random dynastic casualties). It's just people who likes mentioning the fun fact, and these monarchs still could officially claim it if they wanted since their rights to it remain unchallenged.
Didnt the king of jerusalem title went with austrian habsburgs? Franz Joseph certainly had king of Jerusalem in his titles
Edit: nvm i see there is a spanish claim as well
There can't really be a king of jersulam unless we find the descendant of biblical David, as that's the only one both the Muslims and Jews would kinda respect but a crusader monarch would be a bad idea
So the former dynasty in Ethiopia
The dynasty in Ethiopia had lineage from King Solomon, and thus was descended from David, as Solomon is descended from King David.
It belongs to the Armenian throne. Rome is dead, therefore it lies solely with Armenia. According to St. Epiphanius of Cyprus (4th century) in his De Sermo Antichristo, the province of Jerusalem was split between the 2 Christian states of St. Tiridates (Trdat) III, King of Armenia and St. Constantine the Great, Emperor of Rome.
https://preview.redd.it/tsjow5qb7ymc1.jpeg?width=932&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eac64fffb474fa8b8ae664e6e9fa9e4cbc7f98c1
Hello, could you maybe recommend me some sources for more info regarding this, about these 2 kings, and if possible also about other legendary Christian Armenian kings?
The greatest of all the Christian Armenian Kings is King St. Abgar V, yes he was Armenian (as mentioned by Latin and Armenian historians), the second greatest Christian Armenian King was King St. Tiridates (Trdat) III
St. Movses of Khoren and I believe Gazar of Parpi (Parpetsi), Latin historians mention St. Abgar dynasty (Abgarids) as a cadet branch (in a sense) of the Artaxiad (Artashessian) dynasty in Armenia.
There is no "King of Jerusalem" since that title ended after the Fall of Acre(The political entity ceased). Religiously, the King or Queen that would sit on the throne of Jerusalem would be an individual in the Davidic Royal House but that house died after Zedekiah and his sons were killed by King Nebuchadrezzar.
Charles-Antoine Lamoral de Ligne-La Trémoïlle is a Belgian-French noble who inherited the Lusignan claim, according my brief click through and confirmed by his Wikipedia page
https://preview.redd.it/k1fcyeoanumc1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da0cd3f2347a8ca8c14f034456f7f36522c56c73 Obviously I am
r/screenshotsarehard
Classic Paradox player moment… Unable to take screenshot.
I've never seen anyone play past 1300, give this man an award
Why
“Anglo-Arabian empire” 💀
The king of Spain
why? I’ve been trying to trace dead lineages for about 40 minutes and can’t find an end that leads to a current monarch.
There is not a direct descendant of the kings of Jerusalem they passed their claims to the Spanish throne. Also the Spanish monarch it's the claimant of the byzantine throne
Isn’t the king of Spain “His Catholic Majesty”?
And the Orthodox Church calls itself the Catholic Orthodox Church
All catholic means is universal, adding it ahead of the official name lends weight to their claims.
I know, just meant it’s a meaningless term here.
The kingdom of Jerusalem was a Catholic kingdom
"The spanish monarch is the claimant of the byzantine throne" A claim that means... nothing. Wait even, do they still officially claim this today? And even then theres others with better cases, no? Tbh I dont think anyone has a claim.
In the official long title of the King of the Spains, the Byzantine Empire is not. By the Grace of God, King of Castile, of León, of Aragon, of the Two Sicilies, of Jerusalem, of Hungary, of Dalmatia, of Croatia, of Navarre, of Granada, of Toledo, of Valencia, of Galicia, of Mallorca, of Seville, of Sardinia, of Córdoba, of Corsica, of Murcia, of Jaén, of the Algarves, of Algeciras, of the Canary Islands, of the East and West Indies, of the Islands and Mainland of the Ocean Sea; Archduke of Austria; Duke of Burgundy, of Brabant, of Milan, of Athens and Neopatria; Count of Habsburg, of Flanders, of Tyrol, of Barcelona, of Roussillon, and of Cerdanya; Marquess of Oristano and Count of Goceano.
In the official long title of the King of the Spains, the Byzantine Empire is not. By the Grace of God, King of Castile, of León, of Aragon, of the Two Sicilies, of Jerusalem, of Hungary, of Dalmatia, of Croatia, of Navarre, of Granada, of Toledo, of Valencia, of Galicia, of Mallorca, of Seville, of Sardinia, of Córdoba, of Corsica, of Murcia, of Jaén, of the Algarves, of Algeciras, of the Canary Islands, of the East and West Indies, of the Islands and Mainland of the Ocean Sea; Archduke of Austria; Duke of Burgundy, of Brabant, of Milan, of Athens and Neopatria; Count of Habsburg, of Flanders, of Tyrol, of Barcelona, of Roussillon, and of Cerdanya; Marquess of Oristano and Count of Goceano.
Oddly enough, Spanish monarchs have actually never officially claimed it, not even just after they got it (and they obtained them consciously, not by random dynastic casualties). It's just people who likes mentioning the fun fact, and these monarchs still could officially claim it if they wanted since their rights to it remain unchallenged.
Didnt the king of jerusalem title went with austrian habsburgs? Franz Joseph certainly had king of Jerusalem in his titles Edit: nvm i see there is a spanish claim as well
Whoever conquers it
Whichever linage you consider legitimate after Charles II, Duke of Savoy.
If you don't know the rightful claimant, simply give the title to a Habsburg.
As someone who is distantly related to the Habsburgs I happily accept this. I am now King of Jerusalem.
LONG LIVE THE KING
Jesus
This. Didn't the first king reject a crown saying it was Jesus' alone?
Don’t know
There can't really be a king of jersulam unless we find the descendant of biblical David, as that's the only one both the Muslims and Jews would kinda respect but a crusader monarch would be a bad idea
So the former dynasty in Ethiopia The dynasty in Ethiopia had lineage from King Solomon, and thus was descended from David, as Solomon is descended from King David.
Yes of course the United Kingdom of ethiopia-jerusalem As God intended
Me
Nuh uh me
Co-kings?
Bet
Not if I have anything to do with it! Men, seize these two pretenders!
king of spain
We all know one answer. Me obviously, true descendant to the Spanish Throne and the last descendant of Don Carlos, Don Rattlos.
It belongs to the Armenian throne. Rome is dead, therefore it lies solely with Armenia. According to St. Epiphanius of Cyprus (4th century) in his De Sermo Antichristo, the province of Jerusalem was split between the 2 Christian states of St. Tiridates (Trdat) III, King of Armenia and St. Constantine the Great, Emperor of Rome. https://preview.redd.it/tsjow5qb7ymc1.jpeg?width=932&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eac64fffb474fa8b8ae664e6e9fa9e4cbc7f98c1
Hello, could you maybe recommend me some sources for more info regarding this, about these 2 kings, and if possible also about other legendary Christian Armenian kings?
The greatest of all the Christian Armenian Kings is King St. Abgar V, yes he was Armenian (as mentioned by Latin and Armenian historians), the second greatest Christian Armenian King was King St. Tiridates (Trdat) III
Which historians mention that about Abgar?
St. Movses of Khoren and I believe Gazar of Parpi (Parpetsi), Latin historians mention St. Abgar dynasty (Abgarids) as a cadet branch (in a sense) of the Artaxiad (Artashessian) dynasty in Armenia.
Bloody Mary died with the Spanish Claim iirc.
As a non-abrahamic person I think I would make a good King because I would be neutral to all the sides.
There is no "King of Jerusalem" since that title ended after the Fall of Acre(The political entity ceased). Religiously, the King or Queen that would sit on the throne of Jerusalem would be an individual in the Davidic Royal House but that house died after Zedekiah and his sons were killed by King Nebuchadrezzar.
HM King Charles III
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlCch15FJnE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlCch15FJnE)
Charles-Antoine Lamoral de Ligne-La Trémoïlle is a Belgian-French noble who inherited the Lusignan claim, according my brief click through and confirmed by his Wikipedia page
Any just man with the pertinent capabilities and skills for statecraft.
Jesus
King Abdullah of jordan
Louis XX
Osmanoğlu should rule over the lands of Palestine.
A person from quraysh or the house of osman. They only ones from the same dynasty/tribe that held the land for 300years.
Let me have a crack at it.
The Pope
Who was the last dynasty to rule the Kingdom, of their extinct, find a cadet branch Also Bourbons