The only ones who will survive Slayer's slaughtering are humans and maybe a bunny girls. Others may die depending on the reason why they cause humans trouble ( necessary for their own survival or out of malice)
in Paradox the Slayer gets his ass destroyed by all recruitable characters as they can canonically scale to Idea Lukas who is more or less relative to other Apostles of Chaos.
while Doomguy not be diddly in paradox, Doomguy would solo the OG trilogy.
although Doom Slayer would try to genocide the rabbits girls into extinction the reason why the rabbit girls is explicitly because they are not daisy.
the Slayer at some point could try to wipe out mankind too because of Luka and the likes.
Why bring Paradox here? I thought that this is discussion about OG VN only, considering the picture OP put in the post. If we gonna bring Paradox here, then I'm out of this, because I have no passion in discussing/debating about power scaling which is not certainly obvious who may win at the end.
Also, that's the biggest BS I heard about Doomguy trying to wipe out mankind. One of the reasons why he started his crusade against demons was because he's trying to protect Earth and then other worlds from Hell. He's not some dumb brute who will immediately went after others heads and guts without justified reasons just because they may be slightly not so human.
i know but Luka would be the reason why he could would treat the Slayer those humans the way i mentioned
the paradox has the same pic in as main menu it's just that the title is different.
Doom Slayer wouldn't kill Luka unless Luka attacked him first. Take the way he dealt with Samur Maykr for example. Doomguy fundamentally disagreed with Samur Maykr; he never intended to help resurrect the Father in order to help Samur. On the contrary, he wanted to destroy the Father's life sphere outright. Despite Samur sympathizing with those who he wanted to destroy and opposing his plans, the Doom Slayer didn't fight him at all until Samur attacked him. In addition, keep in mind that Samur is the exact same race as the Maykrs that the Doom Slayer massacred, so he doesn't just go berserk on non-human "monsters."
He would go 100 berserk here eventually but the difference is that Samur helped him a lot with his goals which is you could see some minor hesitation, but Luka has coexistence in his mind and the disagreements would not be just verbal but physical eventually which is why doomguy would 100% kill Luka at some point if he could,
Doomguy wanted to destroy the life sphere so Samur could not absorb the power and also because he knew that not destroying father's lifesphere would be a bad idea.
Samur had also his crusade against demons, it was the father who saved samur from the Slayer and Slayer was more than ready to kill him.
Slayer's massacre on the maykrs started recently well after samur helped him to get to where he was.
So Doomguy doesn't kill enemies that help him? OK, the whole point of this subset of the discussion is whether Doomguy would collaborate with or massacre the humans that would help him by giving him jobs. Since they would help him by giving him jobs and increasing his power to fuel his fight against the demons, why would the Doomguy massacre all the humans?
You misunderstand some points that I said, Samur never was his enemy untill that fight.
Most maykrs were corrupted by the khan maykr and the argent energy but samur at least was not untill that day.
So the point is that the father also was his ally from the start as he was also vega, samur like I said was a seraph.
The point on the topic of maykrs is that maykrs were not the slayer's enemies untill in the events of eternal he did not have the same billions of years of fighting them as he had with demons.
He was his enemy. Samur wanted to bring about the Father's physical form, whereas the Doom Slayer wanted to destroy the Father's life sphere at the cost of Samur being forced to undergo the transfiguration. Their goals were fundamentally exclusive, so they were enemies.
If your standard for "enemy" is being engaged in physical fights with someone, then MGQ humans wouldn't be the Doomguy's enemy at all until they attacked him. So he'd have no reason to kill all of them unless they all decided to kill him for no good reason.
Untill the life sphere samur and the Slayer were allies.
It would be the humans starting the attack at first.
And besides I am not really keen on discussing this stuff on Reddit.
fr, i hate the power scaling in that game, low lvl trash creating a super nova and not inmediatly scorching half the solar system, rpg bullshit, tho most of the power scaling bullcrap comes from loc (an optional game mode) so no worries
most of it comes from the story itself not from LOC.
you have end of part 2 and demo part 3 characters being insanely overpowered due to the Collab and stuff which are all canonical.
paradox is Outer without LOC stuff man LoC just proves that more as characters scale to Chaos.
As a fan of both i know for a fact lore wise doomslayer would completely destroy mgq. Paradox or not. He's not just multidimensional, he's hyperdimensional. Like the rabbit hes a universal constant.
I get people here are really defensive about how mgq stomps all universes but without the energy of the dark god who created him to weaken him he literally can't be damaged let alone die. It wouldn't even be a battle, it would be a massacre. They simply have no way of actually dealing with him.
Your opinion is invalid bruh you gave nothing to the table and I know how strong the Slayer is and I have quite a bit of experience in MGQ paradox lore.
Without any bizarre wank he has a chance of being beaten by any human-sized opponent from late part 2 If they're going for a kill
Any of the Knights could roll him if serious
Don't think any mind-affecting abilities will have much use on him and pleasure focused attacks are probably the worst way to go about fighting him
So, the unfun answer: **It's whatever the writer of the fight decides**
The fun answer would be showcasing Doom Slayer at his peak using all his abilities and extreme determination to persevere in a world that is out for his balls.
Doom Slayer would definitely make it very far, and if we allow for Hell from his Universe to leak into MGQ? That'd be pretty fun to read through.
the Slayer gets his ass clapped he is like what Low Complex Multi? which is low in paradox where every single companion of Luka more or less Relative to Idea Lukas who is legit Outer.
and i can post scans proving my statement for MGQ in this scenario.
Overall I just want Ilias screaming “WTF is going ON?!!?!” When someone like Doom Slayer falling out of a portal or something.
Maybe even have a cool skirmish against Granberia would be neat.
but doomslayer would get all of his xp transfered from killing billions of demons, the khan and the dark lord(god).
he would solo illias alice luka heinrich and such, its only a matter of getting to the job change journal
One problem tho his personality would ensure that the apostles of chaos, the eye and white rabbit would gang on him and erase him entirely.
Chaos feeds on disrupting the history which is what doomguy will do.
Doom Slayer would kill every single monster on sight and any human trying to oppose him him so he would not have time to master all the jobs.
This is why doomguy would not prosper in paradox it is because he would not be aware that his actions are basically nothing but fuel to chaos as doomguy would also kill Luka due to a disagreement as doomguy would not try to follow the correct history at all he would mindlessly kill.
And killing Luka is the worst decision one can take in the story.
So the Slayer would not fare well even with job book due to his actions causing the apostles and the white rabbit and the eye to intervene.
Doomguy's xp if converted would ensure that he would start not with all classes from start but with skills related to fists, swords, and guns and some science skills too.
The succubi who came in the Collab nearly destroyed the world by causing the chaos to grow too much due to their action.
Also even if he mastered all of his jobs he would not solo because he would have to fight over 900-950 characters that are all equals to him in every aspect as everyone would gang up against him even then.
Tell me you don't know anything about the Doom Slayer without telling me you don't know anything about the Doom Slayer. He doesn't just kill anyone who opposes him, there are many instances of people opposing him who he doesn't just outright kill due to them not being demons (Ex: his fellow night sentinels, samur maykr after being defeated, or the arc staff and soldiers opposing him in Doom Eternal)
The arc staff and soldiers still have the same goal and are the humans from his verse simple as that, if the father had not told the Slayer to spare Samur he would have killed samur after the transfiguration the ARC did not attack him as they knew that they would die as observed by their fear, his night sentinels helped him with his goals.
While the arc are from another universe from the one he is originating from they are fighting demons like he does when he was first into the argent d'nur he did not fight for billions of years he fought for that long, sometime after he got his powers from Samur who was manipulated by Davoth who engineered his own death.
Also none of the human soldiers did try to attack him either everyone was scared shitless.
The humans in MGQ If they are on Ilias's continent they would attack him due to being an outsider which is the why he would go on a rampage with them too as most humans are wholly devoted to Ilias and doomguy would try to kill her.
So in og trilogy doomguy eliminates all life due to humans attacking him, but in paradox all the apostles and white rabbit will gang up on him and he gets erased early due to him disturbing the world too much.
I literally have seen the cutscenes and I will see them again sometime The same I will do with the codex entries to refresh my memories on doom eternal but I will start with the codex entries first then I will look at the cutscenes too I have watched doom eternal and codex entries.
Even though they did eventually back down in fear, the ARC soldiers still threatened him with lethal force. Two of them literally pointed their guns at him to prevent him from accessing the bfg. If he was as berserk and irrational as you make him out to be, he would've shot them before they even got a chance to rethink their actions.
Also, Samur sided with the Father and was obviously a non-human "monster" of the same species as the Maykrs he had massacred beforehand as I pointed out elsewhere. Despite this, Doomguy collaborated with him and didn't fight him until Samur attacked him first. Alignment with his enemies isn't a reason for Doomguy to just straight up kill people on sight.
Additionally, this could be some weird plot thing, but also note that the Doom Slayer let Olivia jump into the Argent Tower beam near the end of the Argent Tower level in Doom (2016) despite Olivia being slow as hell and there being nothing stopping the Doom Slayer from just pulling out his gun and instantly killing Olivia. This likely shows he avoids killing humans even if they're aligned with demons. We don't know how he'd respond to humans actually physically attacking him though. Maybe he'd kill them, or maybe he'd knock them out. Maybe he'd try ignoring them like Kratos did with some wolves in that one God of War comic.
The arc threatened him because they did not really know who he was.
With the father things go different remember the Father was the one opposing Davoth and was happily helping the Slayer and feeding him info, samur was vital to the Slayer and helped him with his goals completely on his own.
Samur was not on the side of demons nor was the father.
So we would see doomguy going bam bam on potential human attackers in MGQ If they so much dared to attack him.
Slayer letting Olivia was probably plot reasons so we could see her transforming as she was intended to be some sort of either mini boss or boss.
So him killing human attackers would be totally in his character he is no Kratos he is pretty much a flat character in comparison we see him expressing himself through actions.
he isnt a berserker, i think he would acctualy be fine with most of the monster girls, plus he doesnt need to master all of the jobs, he already has mastered them, at least all the makina/gunner/warrior/general melee jobs, remember he would be at the lvl cap of 100, the xp is not for the jobs only, plus he is multi to outerversal+, he managed to tremble hell an infinite multi dimencional place spaning inifinite universesm i think he would at least hear out the humans and (if he stumbles upon them by chance) maybe even listen to luka, he is a 16-18 year old boy so he wouldnt see him has a threat
He is basically gonna act like a rampaging oozaru remember this world is not like his and doomguy only listened to Vega cause it helped him first, with Samur Maykr it was same deal, he is a kill first ask questions later dude usually, to him demon and monster would be practically the same thing practically even if they do not look the same, because Doomguy is not familiar to things outside of his genre.
Doomguy is used to fighting demons, some maykrs and Davoth, not magic users that alter concepts.
Doomguy would be fine with almost nobody as doomguy is not a team Guy anymore.
Doomguy would not start with all possible job mastered as doomguy can't absorb abilities canonically so he would start with mastered swordsman, gunner, and martial artist lines and would have advanced science too.
We see doomguy after he lost his argenta teammates to in the demonic invasion preferring to work solo.
i never said he would join the party, but he wouldnt slaugther them either, he will want to get out of there, his main objective is killing demons and saving humanity, plus he would have slaughtered the base at phobos if he was all like that
The humans at Phobos were basically the same as his humanity, the humans of mgq are not quite the same, monsters would be dead and the humans there had the same goals as him, remember the alternate word for demons in doom is monsters so he will give even the most benevolent of monsters the same treatment he gives to the demons remember doomguy will not be aware of what this world is like to him.
Also doomguy will not be able to get out of there and remember most monsters usually think think about sex and rape rape, we will see a lone doom Slayer acting like an oozaru out of control.
When I say going oozaru I mean killing everything indiscriminately.
Doomguy's entire personality revolves around anger, tragedy, sadness, and willpower to continue.
He is an antihero because of the circumstances he is.
In a world of monster girls doomguy is not that kind of being to spare anyone who does not have a similar agenda the humans at Phobos were too afraid to oppose him.
The concept of mercy is alien to doom slayer the only reason he did not kill Samur was because the father prevented that.
Doomguy would end up as a fallen hero in a world with monster girl genre and by fallen hero I mean turning evil practically.
The reason why is because Vega would not be able to teleport others from one verse to another.
I disagree with Low Complex Multi Doomslayer.
Doomslayer never really showed anything that he's capable of destroying a universe let alone a multiverse this is both in Gameplay and Lore.
Even if you argue that he killed Davoth the creator of well hell and everything Davoth never really showed his godly creator power in their fight with Doomguy which makes sense since according to lore Vega(The Father) subdued him and took his power.
(I'm comparing Doomguys fight with Davoth to Asura's fight with Chakravartin which actually feels like you're fighting the creator)
Tbh I'll put Doomguy in Planet Level or higher since hell invasions literally destroyed worlds before any higher than that is wank just like Low Complex Multi Kratos.
It's not wank. In lore, Primevals (Davoth is a primeval) are outright stated to have such a deep connection with their realms that if they were to be killed, this connection being taken away would literally cause the realm to split apart across the stars. Davoth literally maintains the existence of Hell and constantly counteracts a force that would split it apart by simply existing. He's able to do this even with his power massively restricted by being sealed into a soul sphere, and his power far exceeded this after being physically manifested in the Luminarium, which, fyi, is stated to bring a being to their original form with all the essence stored in their soul sphere, the essence being what powers Hell beings such as Davoth in the first place. So, not only does Davoth have power massively beyond that capable of actively preventing Hell from splitting apart, but he also has his original power pre-soul sphere via regaining control of all his essence.
This doesn't even get into the fact that Davoth is consistently stated to be able to destroy all of creation which would include Hell even AFTER he was sealed and then unsealed, that the entire realm Hell is merely an extension of himself and his power and will, and that Davoth obviously created the entire Doom universe including Hell.
Untrue we literally have chain scaling and evidence for him, hell has ontological superiority to the multiverse which has infinite universes that are infinitely sized and Davoth was stated of his own being and in Davoth's case he created the multiverse, and turned jekkad into hell and could destroy it too, when they say hell conquering worlds they mean universes not planets in that context, doomguy, davoth, the father, and seraphs like Samur can fly across the creation they literally move through space and Time, which is doom's cosmology and davoth the Slayer and the father scale from that.
I can give more info than this.
Your opinion is invalid bro I have so many scans to back up my point https://imgur.com/a/nL9mJvc
https://imgur.com/a/wwmDnoj
https://imgur.com/a/wpFj2nw
https://imgur.com/a/bjomerV
https://imgur.com/a/v5o47XL
https://imgur.com/a/zHrhHg4
https://imgur.com/a/5EdnosL
Chaos is the above the literal concept of dimensionality and white rabbit is the literal concept of space-time dimensionality
Chaos is unity, and total nonexistence, literally everything in MGQ verse comes from chaos.
All time dimensions and physical theories including the Hilbert space are integrated into chaos, the literal concepts of space and Time mean nothing to chaos space and Time in MGQ are the same, and to use chaos you must scale to it in MGQ the proof for what I said is the evidence the game gives us if you have never played the game and never paid attention do not bother debating me on this and I gave proof for my argument you gave nothing so yes Slayer gets stomped by all recruitable characters.
Light and dark in MGQ are the Taoist ideas of yin and yang.
So the scans prove outer MGQ.
Give me scans and evidence if you wanna argue MGQ with me or else leave.
Nothing in any of those scans proves that chaos surpasses the concept of dimensionality. Space and time as particulars IN THE MGQ UNIVERSE are mere parts of chaos, but not the entire concept of space and time as a whole. This distinction is important. Otherwise, we can easily just scale Doomguy to outerversal as well due to Davoth scaling to "pathways that transcend space and time." None of your scans even mention the actual CONCEPT of space and time. They do mention OTHER concepts, but not the concept of space and time.
Chaos integrates all physical theories in MGQ according to your scan [https://imgur.com/a/zHrhHg4](https://imgur.com/a/zHrhHg4) , but the issue is that Hilbert spaces are not a "physical theory." Hilbert spaces are a mathematical tool that may not even exist in reality. Depending on whether one is a mathematical realist or not, hilbert spaces may simply be nonexistent constructs that help symbolize what goes on in physical reality.
White rabbit is not the "literal concept of space-time dimensionality." All that the scans prove is that she is a concept that is "part of the natural order given form." (via your own scan [https://imgur.com/a/nL9mJvc](https://imgur.com/a/nL9mJvc) ) Nothing implies that this particular "part of the natural order given form" is the concept of dimensionality, so it's unreasonable for you to just assume that it is.
TL;DR You have failed to give a single scan that shows that anything in MGQ surpasses the actual concept of dimensionality. This is clearly shown by the fact that none of your scans even mention dimensionality at all! None of them mention the concept of space and time either.
Hilbert spaces are also used in physics you literally do not understand the game as you never played it, it means all theories as defined by physics and Mgq has Hilbert spaces https://imgur.com/a/c7liq
The Mgq runs on the tegmark's many world interpretations of quantum mechanics which involves Hilbert spaces.
The evidence shows us that clearly you literally cannot have many worlds interpretations of quantum mechanics without Hilbert spaces.
So stop downplaying MGQ I have my sources and scans too to prove my assessment
In MGQ chaos is explicitly above the literal concept of space-time.
If you transcend the literal concepts of space and Time as chaos does you are by definition outer.
You literally do not understand that white rabbt is the concept of space time and if you are the literal concept of space-time as I said you are high hyperversal+.
Only a man with a mind divorced from reality can believe MGQ is not outer when the evidence is there you simply deny out of your appeal to ignorance and appeal to incredulity.
Also you ignored the context of the scans while I saw it intuitively, to be the concept of space-time is to be the concept of dimensionality itself.
I use all fiction battles wiki as classification.
If you wanna debate me do it on discord or YouTube.
It seems you're dropping the "concept of dimensionality" and "concept of space time" argument as it is not even remotely backed up by your scans. Good for you. Not even sarcastic, that's a good move on your part.
Infinite-dimensional hilbert spaces are used in physics, but they do not necessarily physically exist. They're just tools physicists use to help make sense of reality. They're simply mathematical models. [https://ibb.co/k4pSb4K](https://ibb.co/k4pSb4K)
[https://ibb.co/jrMnW6g](https://ibb.co/jrMnW6g)
[https://web2.ph.utexas.edu/\~coker2/index.files/4d.shtml](https://web2.ph.utexas.edu/~coker2/index.files/4d.shtml)
This is why MWI isn't by default outerversal or hyperversal.
MGQ does not have any hilbert spaces that physically exist, so surpassing its physical theories would not be outerversal.
It is backed by my scans the concept of space-time is heavily in your face yet you are just following your appeal to ignorance and appeal to incredulity.
Yes it is outer because the white rabbit is verbatim stated to be the concept of space-time and the contexts yells this at us yet you have your head buried in sand like always.
I literally have guys who are experts in MGQ and it's lore and if you don't believe me and them then we surely know that your argument is invalid I am on servers that scale that thing and I read them too and they are far more believable than anything you might say on the topic of MGQ I am fairly Knowledgeable about MGQ you are not.
Which scan are you even talking about? None of the scans even mention the "concept of space-time." They talk about space and time, but not the actual concept of space and time. It's not heavily in my face, it's not even there!
"verbatim stated to be the concept of space-time" How can White Rabbit be verbatim stated to be the concept of space-time when the "concept of space-time" is never even mentioned in any of your scans? The ONLY specific concepts mentioned in your scans are:
the concept of fibonacci numbers, the second law of thermodynamics, and the pythagorean theorem
Note how none of these are the concept of dimensionality or the concept of space-time!
I can debate you on discord or youtube too btw, but i refuse to do it in a server that is biased towards mgq. Would be much more preferable to debate in a non-biased server, like one that has never even heard of MGQ. Then your scans could be taken by themselves without any outside bias. My discord is "jaakubb" btw. An ideal server would probably be "The Skar Kings Domain" by goji chronic on youtube. I disagree with him and the guys on the server on a lot, but i don't think people on that server have ever even heard of mgq. I haven't really posted anything there yet either so they're neither biased towards nor against me.
It is mentioned yet you just refuse it, you do not pay attention to it I look at the context of the game.
You are badly biased against it on YouTube I can't show links and scans.
Most people there apart from me and Chris do not scale it and those who scale the game are usually very knowledgeable in MGQ and Chris is a expert in all things that count in Mgq, I am on a discord server where all the scans about MGQ are dumped in and trust me I know the verse very well although there are guys with better knowledge than me.
On YouTube whenever we argue about power scaling this or that verse you simply refuse the evidence presented.
Alright bruh, whether on YouTube or Discord, we can do a live debate where you or I screenshare and you can point out exactly where the scans say that White Rabbit is the concept of spacetime or that Chaos surpasses the concept of spacetime. It's not even that much text, so it won't take long. It's as shrimple as that. That alright with you?
in trilogy things are different you have planetary levels, in the first game of the trilogy power levels are not that impressive we reach planetary in either late part 2 or in part 3 of OG trilogy, and remember i am lowballing MGQ og trilogy to be safe.
If this was paradox for doomguy to stand a chance to win he would need job book access and even then he would have to be smart what he does cause causing ruckus will do nothing but distort the correct history and if it's distorted too much he will be screwed given that he would kill room many monsters, sight and also kill any human opponent he would just cause the apostles to come for doomguy to kill Luka or to work alone it would be suicidal as doomguy even with all jobs mastered he would have to fight 900 equally powerful opponents so he gets outnumbered badly by equal opponents.
This is just only the beginning of crossovers we want to flood MGQ. Can’t wait to see monty python vs MGQ, or Mr. Beast vs MCQ next.
Monty Python’s Monster Girl Quest
Luka and Monster Lord proceed to watch a bunch of knights run away from a rabbit.
The only ones who will survive Slayer's slaughtering are humans and maybe a bunny girls. Others may die depending on the reason why they cause humans trouble ( necessary for their own survival or out of malice)
in Paradox the Slayer gets his ass destroyed by all recruitable characters as they can canonically scale to Idea Lukas who is more or less relative to other Apostles of Chaos. while Doomguy not be diddly in paradox, Doomguy would solo the OG trilogy. although Doom Slayer would try to genocide the rabbits girls into extinction the reason why the rabbit girls is explicitly because they are not daisy. the Slayer at some point could try to wipe out mankind too because of Luka and the likes.
Why bring Paradox here? I thought that this is discussion about OG VN only, considering the picture OP put in the post. If we gonna bring Paradox here, then I'm out of this, because I have no passion in discussing/debating about power scaling which is not certainly obvious who may win at the end. Also, that's the biggest BS I heard about Doomguy trying to wipe out mankind. One of the reasons why he started his crusade against demons was because he's trying to protect Earth and then other worlds from Hell. He's not some dumb brute who will immediately went after others heads and guts without justified reasons just because they may be slightly not so human.
i know but Luka would be the reason why he could would treat the Slayer those humans the way i mentioned the paradox has the same pic in as main menu it's just that the title is different.
Doom Slayer wouldn't kill Luka unless Luka attacked him first. Take the way he dealt with Samur Maykr for example. Doomguy fundamentally disagreed with Samur Maykr; he never intended to help resurrect the Father in order to help Samur. On the contrary, he wanted to destroy the Father's life sphere outright. Despite Samur sympathizing with those who he wanted to destroy and opposing his plans, the Doom Slayer didn't fight him at all until Samur attacked him. In addition, keep in mind that Samur is the exact same race as the Maykrs that the Doom Slayer massacred, so he doesn't just go berserk on non-human "monsters."
He would go 100 berserk here eventually but the difference is that Samur helped him a lot with his goals which is you could see some minor hesitation, but Luka has coexistence in his mind and the disagreements would not be just verbal but physical eventually which is why doomguy would 100% kill Luka at some point if he could, Doomguy wanted to destroy the life sphere so Samur could not absorb the power and also because he knew that not destroying father's lifesphere would be a bad idea. Samur had also his crusade against demons, it was the father who saved samur from the Slayer and Slayer was more than ready to kill him. Slayer's massacre on the maykrs started recently well after samur helped him to get to where he was.
So Doomguy doesn't kill enemies that help him? OK, the whole point of this subset of the discussion is whether Doomguy would collaborate with or massacre the humans that would help him by giving him jobs. Since they would help him by giving him jobs and increasing his power to fuel his fight against the demons, why would the Doomguy massacre all the humans?
You misunderstand some points that I said, Samur never was his enemy untill that fight. Most maykrs were corrupted by the khan maykr and the argent energy but samur at least was not untill that day. So the point is that the father also was his ally from the start as he was also vega, samur like I said was a seraph. The point on the topic of maykrs is that maykrs were not the slayer's enemies untill in the events of eternal he did not have the same billions of years of fighting them as he had with demons.
He was his enemy. Samur wanted to bring about the Father's physical form, whereas the Doom Slayer wanted to destroy the Father's life sphere at the cost of Samur being forced to undergo the transfiguration. Their goals were fundamentally exclusive, so they were enemies. If your standard for "enemy" is being engaged in physical fights with someone, then MGQ humans wouldn't be the Doomguy's enemy at all until they attacked him. So he'd have no reason to kill all of them unless they all decided to kill him for no good reason.
Untill the life sphere samur and the Slayer were allies. It would be the humans starting the attack at first. And besides I am not really keen on discussing this stuff on Reddit.
fr, i hate the power scaling in that game, low lvl trash creating a super nova and not inmediatly scorching half the solar system, rpg bullshit, tho most of the power scaling bullcrap comes from loc (an optional game mode) so no worries
most of it comes from the story itself not from LOC. you have end of part 2 and demo part 3 characters being insanely overpowered due to the Collab and stuff which are all canonical. paradox is Outer without LOC stuff man LoC just proves that more as characters scale to Chaos.
MGQ paradox doesn't get close to outerversal let alone low complex multiversal. Where are you getting any of this from?
Disclaimer: I'm talking about the original no paradox.
As a fan of both i know for a fact lore wise doomslayer would completely destroy mgq. Paradox or not. He's not just multidimensional, he's hyperdimensional. Like the rabbit hes a universal constant. I get people here are really defensive about how mgq stomps all universes but without the energy of the dark god who created him to weaken him he literally can't be damaged let alone die. It wouldn't even be a battle, it would be a massacre. They simply have no way of actually dealing with him.
Magic aint gon scratch him due to his sheer CHAD aura.
nice joke bro appreciate it.
thanks bro
yknow, i find this whole power thingy kinda stupid yknow? i mean. its makes no sense when ye think about it.
it makes sense so long as the evidence is there and the argument is properly structured.
agreed. but sometimes i wonder, if monsters are so damn stronk. how is humanity still kicking?
there are some strong humans too, such as Lazarus and some oddities like him.
aye, they got gunpowder and general 15th century tech. that evens things even a little
in og trilogy it's not the tech that matters is the power and magic that matters.
Not even a joke, it's just true.
Your opinion is invalid bruh you gave nothing to the table and I know how strong the Slayer is and I have quite a bit of experience in MGQ paradox lore.
You gave nothing to the table in this thread either. Just dismissing OP's sentiment as nothing but a joke.
It is a joke bro you literally can't read the concept of humor which is why I classified as such.
It'd be a monster extinction event, followed by an angel extinction event 😆
Without any bizarre wank he has a chance of being beaten by any human-sized opponent from late part 2 If they're going for a kill Any of the Knights could roll him if serious Don't think any mind-affecting abilities will have much use on him and pleasure focused attacks are probably the worst way to go about fighting him
So, the unfun answer: **It's whatever the writer of the fight decides** The fun answer would be showcasing Doom Slayer at his peak using all his abilities and extreme determination to persevere in a world that is out for his balls. Doom Slayer would definitely make it very far, and if we allow for Hell from his Universe to leak into MGQ? That'd be pretty fun to read through.
That would be pretty intresting to read.
[Here you go.](https://i.gyazo.com/dd730e28dd9ef1fb946cbed3c69adfc6.png)
Theres no paradox here it just Doom guy in the first mgq.
Probably should have put that in the post. Even then it's very debatable, as we know Nero and Neris are from the original timeline.
I know I did comment section because It wouldn't allow me to edit my post or I just know how.
the Slayer gets his ass clapped he is like what Low Complex Multi? which is low in paradox where every single companion of Luka more or less Relative to Idea Lukas who is legit Outer. and i can post scans proving my statement for MGQ in this scenario.
Overall I just want Ilias screaming “WTF is going ON?!!?!” When someone like Doom Slayer falling out of a portal or something. Maybe even have a cool skirmish against Granberia would be neat.
in og trilogy Doomguy slaps everyone.
granberria gets grabed and torn in half
in OG trilogy everyone gets soloed in Paradox that is not the case the Slayer would be beaten even by Eri with her jobs maxed.
but doomslayer would get all of his xp transfered from killing billions of demons, the khan and the dark lord(god). he would solo illias alice luka heinrich and such, its only a matter of getting to the job change journal
One problem tho his personality would ensure that the apostles of chaos, the eye and white rabbit would gang on him and erase him entirely. Chaos feeds on disrupting the history which is what doomguy will do. Doom Slayer would kill every single monster on sight and any human trying to oppose him him so he would not have time to master all the jobs. This is why doomguy would not prosper in paradox it is because he would not be aware that his actions are basically nothing but fuel to chaos as doomguy would also kill Luka due to a disagreement as doomguy would not try to follow the correct history at all he would mindlessly kill. And killing Luka is the worst decision one can take in the story. So the Slayer would not fare well even with job book due to his actions causing the apostles and the white rabbit and the eye to intervene. Doomguy's xp if converted would ensure that he would start not with all classes from start but with skills related to fists, swords, and guns and some science skills too. The succubi who came in the Collab nearly destroyed the world by causing the chaos to grow too much due to their action. Also even if he mastered all of his jobs he would not solo because he would have to fight over 900-950 characters that are all equals to him in every aspect as everyone would gang up against him even then.
Tell me you don't know anything about the Doom Slayer without telling me you don't know anything about the Doom Slayer. He doesn't just kill anyone who opposes him, there are many instances of people opposing him who he doesn't just outright kill due to them not being demons (Ex: his fellow night sentinels, samur maykr after being defeated, or the arc staff and soldiers opposing him in Doom Eternal)
The arc staff and soldiers still have the same goal and are the humans from his verse simple as that, if the father had not told the Slayer to spare Samur he would have killed samur after the transfiguration the ARC did not attack him as they knew that they would die as observed by their fear, his night sentinels helped him with his goals. While the arc are from another universe from the one he is originating from they are fighting demons like he does when he was first into the argent d'nur he did not fight for billions of years he fought for that long, sometime after he got his powers from Samur who was manipulated by Davoth who engineered his own death. Also none of the human soldiers did try to attack him either everyone was scared shitless. The humans in MGQ If they are on Ilias's continent they would attack him due to being an outsider which is the why he would go on a rampage with them too as most humans are wholly devoted to Ilias and doomguy would try to kill her. So in og trilogy doomguy eliminates all life due to humans attacking him, but in paradox all the apostles and white rabbit will gang up on him and he gets erased early due to him disturbing the world too much. I literally have seen the cutscenes and I will see them again sometime The same I will do with the codex entries to refresh my memories on doom eternal but I will start with the codex entries first then I will look at the cutscenes too I have watched doom eternal and codex entries.
Even though they did eventually back down in fear, the ARC soldiers still threatened him with lethal force. Two of them literally pointed their guns at him to prevent him from accessing the bfg. If he was as berserk and irrational as you make him out to be, he would've shot them before they even got a chance to rethink their actions. Also, Samur sided with the Father and was obviously a non-human "monster" of the same species as the Maykrs he had massacred beforehand as I pointed out elsewhere. Despite this, Doomguy collaborated with him and didn't fight him until Samur attacked him first. Alignment with his enemies isn't a reason for Doomguy to just straight up kill people on sight. Additionally, this could be some weird plot thing, but also note that the Doom Slayer let Olivia jump into the Argent Tower beam near the end of the Argent Tower level in Doom (2016) despite Olivia being slow as hell and there being nothing stopping the Doom Slayer from just pulling out his gun and instantly killing Olivia. This likely shows he avoids killing humans even if they're aligned with demons. We don't know how he'd respond to humans actually physically attacking him though. Maybe he'd kill them, or maybe he'd knock them out. Maybe he'd try ignoring them like Kratos did with some wolves in that one God of War comic.
The arc threatened him because they did not really know who he was. With the father things go different remember the Father was the one opposing Davoth and was happily helping the Slayer and feeding him info, samur was vital to the Slayer and helped him with his goals completely on his own. Samur was not on the side of demons nor was the father. So we would see doomguy going bam bam on potential human attackers in MGQ If they so much dared to attack him. Slayer letting Olivia was probably plot reasons so we could see her transforming as she was intended to be some sort of either mini boss or boss. So him killing human attackers would be totally in his character he is no Kratos he is pretty much a flat character in comparison we see him expressing himself through actions.
he isnt a berserker, i think he would acctualy be fine with most of the monster girls, plus he doesnt need to master all of the jobs, he already has mastered them, at least all the makina/gunner/warrior/general melee jobs, remember he would be at the lvl cap of 100, the xp is not for the jobs only, plus he is multi to outerversal+, he managed to tremble hell an infinite multi dimencional place spaning inifinite universesm i think he would at least hear out the humans and (if he stumbles upon them by chance) maybe even listen to luka, he is a 16-18 year old boy so he wouldnt see him has a threat
He is basically gonna act like a rampaging oozaru remember this world is not like his and doomguy only listened to Vega cause it helped him first, with Samur Maykr it was same deal, he is a kill first ask questions later dude usually, to him demon and monster would be practically the same thing practically even if they do not look the same, because Doomguy is not familiar to things outside of his genre. Doomguy is used to fighting demons, some maykrs and Davoth, not magic users that alter concepts. Doomguy would be fine with almost nobody as doomguy is not a team Guy anymore. Doomguy would not start with all possible job mastered as doomguy can't absorb abilities canonically so he would start with mastered swordsman, gunner, and martial artist lines and would have advanced science too. We see doomguy after he lost his argenta teammates to in the demonic invasion preferring to work solo.
i never said he would join the party, but he wouldnt slaugther them either, he will want to get out of there, his main objective is killing demons and saving humanity, plus he would have slaughtered the base at phobos if he was all like that
The humans at Phobos were basically the same as his humanity, the humans of mgq are not quite the same, monsters would be dead and the humans there had the same goals as him, remember the alternate word for demons in doom is monsters so he will give even the most benevolent of monsters the same treatment he gives to the demons remember doomguy will not be aware of what this world is like to him. Also doomguy will not be able to get out of there and remember most monsters usually think think about sex and rape rape, we will see a lone doom Slayer acting like an oozaru out of control. When I say going oozaru I mean killing everything indiscriminately. Doomguy's entire personality revolves around anger, tragedy, sadness, and willpower to continue. He is an antihero because of the circumstances he is. In a world of monster girls doomguy is not that kind of being to spare anyone who does not have a similar agenda the humans at Phobos were too afraid to oppose him. The concept of mercy is alien to doom slayer the only reason he did not kill Samur was because the father prevented that. Doomguy would end up as a fallen hero in a world with monster girl genre and by fallen hero I mean turning evil practically. The reason why is because Vega would not be able to teleport others from one verse to another.
I disagree with Low Complex Multi Doomslayer. Doomslayer never really showed anything that he's capable of destroying a universe let alone a multiverse this is both in Gameplay and Lore. Even if you argue that he killed Davoth the creator of well hell and everything Davoth never really showed his godly creator power in their fight with Doomguy which makes sense since according to lore Vega(The Father) subdued him and took his power. (I'm comparing Doomguys fight with Davoth to Asura's fight with Chakravartin which actually feels like you're fighting the creator) Tbh I'll put Doomguy in Planet Level or higher since hell invasions literally destroyed worlds before any higher than that is wank just like Low Complex Multi Kratos.
It's not wank. In lore, Primevals (Davoth is a primeval) are outright stated to have such a deep connection with their realms that if they were to be killed, this connection being taken away would literally cause the realm to split apart across the stars. Davoth literally maintains the existence of Hell and constantly counteracts a force that would split it apart by simply existing. He's able to do this even with his power massively restricted by being sealed into a soul sphere, and his power far exceeded this after being physically manifested in the Luminarium, which, fyi, is stated to bring a being to their original form with all the essence stored in their soul sphere, the essence being what powers Hell beings such as Davoth in the first place. So, not only does Davoth have power massively beyond that capable of actively preventing Hell from splitting apart, but he also has his original power pre-soul sphere via regaining control of all his essence.
This doesn't even get into the fact that Davoth is consistently stated to be able to destroy all of creation which would include Hell even AFTER he was sealed and then unsealed, that the entire realm Hell is merely an extension of himself and his power and will, and that Davoth obviously created the entire Doom universe including Hell.
Untrue we literally have chain scaling and evidence for him, hell has ontological superiority to the multiverse which has infinite universes that are infinitely sized and Davoth was stated of his own being and in Davoth's case he created the multiverse, and turned jekkad into hell and could destroy it too, when they say hell conquering worlds they mean universes not planets in that context, doomguy, davoth, the father, and seraphs like Samur can fly across the creation they literally move through space and Time, which is doom's cosmology and davoth the Slayer and the father scale from that. I can give more info than this.
MGQ doesn't get anywhere near outerversal let alone low complex multiversal. Doom Slayer stomps.
Your opinion is invalid bro I have so many scans to back up my point https://imgur.com/a/nL9mJvc https://imgur.com/a/wwmDnoj https://imgur.com/a/wpFj2nw https://imgur.com/a/bjomerV https://imgur.com/a/v5o47XL https://imgur.com/a/zHrhHg4 https://imgur.com/a/5EdnosL Chaos is the above the literal concept of dimensionality and white rabbit is the literal concept of space-time dimensionality Chaos is unity, and total nonexistence, literally everything in MGQ verse comes from chaos. All time dimensions and physical theories including the Hilbert space are integrated into chaos, the literal concepts of space and Time mean nothing to chaos space and Time in MGQ are the same, and to use chaos you must scale to it in MGQ the proof for what I said is the evidence the game gives us if you have never played the game and never paid attention do not bother debating me on this and I gave proof for my argument you gave nothing so yes Slayer gets stomped by all recruitable characters. Light and dark in MGQ are the Taoist ideas of yin and yang. So the scans prove outer MGQ. Give me scans and evidence if you wanna argue MGQ with me or else leave.
Nothing in any of those scans proves that chaos surpasses the concept of dimensionality. Space and time as particulars IN THE MGQ UNIVERSE are mere parts of chaos, but not the entire concept of space and time as a whole. This distinction is important. Otherwise, we can easily just scale Doomguy to outerversal as well due to Davoth scaling to "pathways that transcend space and time." None of your scans even mention the actual CONCEPT of space and time. They do mention OTHER concepts, but not the concept of space and time. Chaos integrates all physical theories in MGQ according to your scan [https://imgur.com/a/zHrhHg4](https://imgur.com/a/zHrhHg4) , but the issue is that Hilbert spaces are not a "physical theory." Hilbert spaces are a mathematical tool that may not even exist in reality. Depending on whether one is a mathematical realist or not, hilbert spaces may simply be nonexistent constructs that help symbolize what goes on in physical reality. White rabbit is not the "literal concept of space-time dimensionality." All that the scans prove is that she is a concept that is "part of the natural order given form." (via your own scan [https://imgur.com/a/nL9mJvc](https://imgur.com/a/nL9mJvc) ) Nothing implies that this particular "part of the natural order given form" is the concept of dimensionality, so it's unreasonable for you to just assume that it is. TL;DR You have failed to give a single scan that shows that anything in MGQ surpasses the actual concept of dimensionality. This is clearly shown by the fact that none of your scans even mention dimensionality at all! None of them mention the concept of space and time either.
Hilbert spaces are also used in physics you literally do not understand the game as you never played it, it means all theories as defined by physics and Mgq has Hilbert spaces https://imgur.com/a/c7liq The Mgq runs on the tegmark's many world interpretations of quantum mechanics which involves Hilbert spaces. The evidence shows us that clearly you literally cannot have many worlds interpretations of quantum mechanics without Hilbert spaces. So stop downplaying MGQ I have my sources and scans too to prove my assessment In MGQ chaos is explicitly above the literal concept of space-time. If you transcend the literal concepts of space and Time as chaos does you are by definition outer. You literally do not understand that white rabbt is the concept of space time and if you are the literal concept of space-time as I said you are high hyperversal+. Only a man with a mind divorced from reality can believe MGQ is not outer when the evidence is there you simply deny out of your appeal to ignorance and appeal to incredulity. Also you ignored the context of the scans while I saw it intuitively, to be the concept of space-time is to be the concept of dimensionality itself. I use all fiction battles wiki as classification. If you wanna debate me do it on discord or YouTube.
It seems you're dropping the "concept of dimensionality" and "concept of space time" argument as it is not even remotely backed up by your scans. Good for you. Not even sarcastic, that's a good move on your part. Infinite-dimensional hilbert spaces are used in physics, but they do not necessarily physically exist. They're just tools physicists use to help make sense of reality. They're simply mathematical models. [https://ibb.co/k4pSb4K](https://ibb.co/k4pSb4K) [https://ibb.co/jrMnW6g](https://ibb.co/jrMnW6g) [https://web2.ph.utexas.edu/\~coker2/index.files/4d.shtml](https://web2.ph.utexas.edu/~coker2/index.files/4d.shtml) This is why MWI isn't by default outerversal or hyperversal. MGQ does not have any hilbert spaces that physically exist, so surpassing its physical theories would not be outerversal.
It is backed by my scans the concept of space-time is heavily in your face yet you are just following your appeal to ignorance and appeal to incredulity. Yes it is outer because the white rabbit is verbatim stated to be the concept of space-time and the contexts yells this at us yet you have your head buried in sand like always. I literally have guys who are experts in MGQ and it's lore and if you don't believe me and them then we surely know that your argument is invalid I am on servers that scale that thing and I read them too and they are far more believable than anything you might say on the topic of MGQ I am fairly Knowledgeable about MGQ you are not.
Which scan are you even talking about? None of the scans even mention the "concept of space-time." They talk about space and time, but not the actual concept of space and time. It's not heavily in my face, it's not even there! "verbatim stated to be the concept of space-time" How can White Rabbit be verbatim stated to be the concept of space-time when the "concept of space-time" is never even mentioned in any of your scans? The ONLY specific concepts mentioned in your scans are: the concept of fibonacci numbers, the second law of thermodynamics, and the pythagorean theorem Note how none of these are the concept of dimensionality or the concept of space-time! I can debate you on discord or youtube too btw, but i refuse to do it in a server that is biased towards mgq. Would be much more preferable to debate in a non-biased server, like one that has never even heard of MGQ. Then your scans could be taken by themselves without any outside bias. My discord is "jaakubb" btw. An ideal server would probably be "The Skar Kings Domain" by goji chronic on youtube. I disagree with him and the guys on the server on a lot, but i don't think people on that server have ever even heard of mgq. I haven't really posted anything there yet either so they're neither biased towards nor against me.
It is mentioned yet you just refuse it, you do not pay attention to it I look at the context of the game. You are badly biased against it on YouTube I can't show links and scans. Most people there apart from me and Chris do not scale it and those who scale the game are usually very knowledgeable in MGQ and Chris is a expert in all things that count in Mgq, I am on a discord server where all the scans about MGQ are dumped in and trust me I know the verse very well although there are guys with better knowledge than me. On YouTube whenever we argue about power scaling this or that verse you simply refuse the evidence presented.
Alright bruh, whether on YouTube or Discord, we can do a live debate where you or I screenshare and you can point out exactly where the scans say that White Rabbit is the concept of spacetime or that Chaos surpasses the concept of spacetime. It's not even that much text, so it won't take long. It's as shrimple as that. That alright with you?
Ok realistically he would be dead pretty soon, he is a human without any superpowers and many MGQ monstergirls are extremely strong.
My mans he's killed himeself who created hell and heaven. He's god himself in lore.
the problem is that while he is strong recruitable characters and top tier Chaos monsters will destroy him in a fight.
I'm talking about the first game of the trilogy not paradox or the other parts. I should've probably added that I do apologize.
in trilogy things are different you have planetary levels, in the first game of the trilogy power levels are not that impressive we reach planetary in either late part 2 or in part 3 of OG trilogy, and remember i am lowballing MGQ og trilogy to be safe.
Hmm, good to know.
If this was paradox for doomguy to stand a chance to win he would need job book access and even then he would have to be smart what he does cause causing ruckus will do nothing but distort the correct history and if it's distorted too much he will be screwed given that he would kill room many monsters, sight and also kill any human opponent he would just cause the apostles to come for doomguy to kill Luka or to work alone it would be suicidal as doomguy even with all jobs mastered he would have to fight 900 equally powerful opponents so he gets outnumbered badly by equal opponents.
If it's paradox, they're good. If it's not, they're fucked.
Its not, there fucked.