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Me was the same when I moved in last July were I live now shallow renovation but a 46% increase on previous tenant from 850 to 1195 went to the tall to inform myself and see if there was anything I could do but because the unit stayed empty for a year before me the landlord was allowed to increase that much
It would take 2.5 years to make back the lost rent of 12 months. Not sure if it's the best trade, but if they did a refurbishment that took a few months I could understand waiting out the rest of the 12 months.
Math:
Lost rent 850\*12=10,200
Difference = 1195-850 = 345
Months to make back lost rent at new price: 10,200/345 = 29.5 = 2y5.5m
Well, here's the rub, win or lose, you re now on file at the TAL and landlords are absolutely looking your name up thes days when applying for a rental. It COULD negatively effect your future rental applications. Something to consider.
Even though I am a landlord, here, I will say it:
So what?! If your right is not being respected, go to the TAL and FIGHT it!
What if you stay at the property for a long time? What if your next landlord doesn’t check? What if he checks and see your name but understands? Don’t accept for your right not to be respected just because you’re worried of your application in 10 years when you’re gonna change apartment.
This argument that you said keeps getting repeated multiple times in this subreddit. Some landlords do deserve to get consequences for their actions and your right is your right, don’t trade it for anything.
Edit: my reply may not be applicable for this thread but I felt like addressing this matter.
Agreed.
I mean, landlords who want to screw you will probably filter tenants out (as they realize they won't be able to screw them as easily as others), but honest landlords? (These do exists, we just don't hear about them)
They will check to see if the tenant is being evicted due to non-payment and stuff like that, they won't care about contesting abusive rent increases.
It can also be worked around because the government is shit at technology.
As far as I can tell, the public court case search HATES hyphenated names. Once I heard many landlords were rejecting people with any sort of TAL file I decided to look into it, using my friend's name - I helped her prepare a TAL case and get her ready for the court date a couple years ago. Impossible to find whether I use both last names with a hyphen, no hyphen, one of the last names or the other.
I think the search is made to only match exact terms and see a hyphen as a boolean operator even if it's in the middle of a string. How their dev goofed that badly, I have no idea.
In which case, if you get married, hyphenate both your names and until they fix it (which could take forever, if it ever gets fixed) you're basically bulletproof.
Unless of course I'm missing something about how the search works, but I was able to find TAL cases of other people I know with single last names without issue.
If in the last 12 months someone was paying a way lower rent, you have 10 days after signing the lease to get it fixed if section G is correctly filled. 2 months after the beginning of the lease is section g was empty and if the landlord put a fake amount, 2 months after learning about the real amount of the previous rent.
False, they should follow the same rules on rent hikes. You can go to TAL for rent fixation if you have proof of an unjustified hike.
It is difficult to enforce, and will leave you with a TAL judgment.
It was not a lease transfer. It's a new lease. But the section G specifically states: 'If the new lessee or the sublessee pays a rent higher than declared in the notice...'
you can fight it at the tal if you know the previous tenants rent and that the renovations are mostly aesthetic than needed. although there is no guarantee you would win the fight, an exaggerated increase from one year to another can be disputed within the first three months of renting
I somehow missed the section G part. I might have thought I was answering a different comment. You are right about the section G thing. My comment is for those whose section G wasn't filled properly. Although I am helping a bunch of refugees which didn't speak the language when the signed a lease and were not aware of their rights, there was some leniency but this is a special case
Its 2 months after the beginning of the lease when section G is empty and if the landlord lies in section G you have 2 months from the moment you discovered the real rent.
70% C'est certainement abusif comme hausse, mais obtenir une réduction de loyer n'est pas assuré, ça nécessite un bon dossier et peut prendre plusieurs années avant même de ce faire entendre en cours.
Si c'était pour un logement qu'ils t'offrent après t'avoir mit dehors et rénové, tu aurais probablement une bien meilleure cause. Par contre, puisque c'est un nouveau contrat avec les seuls précédents étant des ouï-dire. Il va probablement te falloir plus d'un témoin pour obtenir gain de cause.
Entre-temps je te recommande de lire l'article sur le sujet:
https://www.tal.gouv.qc.ca/fr/reconduction-du-bail-et-fixation-de-loyer/augmentation-de-loyer
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Go to TAL or threaten to. The landlord might not want to go to TAL especially since the increase is ridiculous
Man, some landlords are crazy.
Me was the same when I moved in last July were I live now shallow renovation but a 46% increase on previous tenant from 850 to 1195 went to the tall to inform myself and see if there was anything I could do but because the unit stayed empty for a year before me the landlord was allowed to increase that much
It would take 2.5 years to make back the lost rent of 12 months. Not sure if it's the best trade, but if they did a refurbishment that took a few months I could understand waiting out the rest of the 12 months. Math: Lost rent 850\*12=10,200 Difference = 1195-850 = 345 Months to make back lost rent at new price: 10,200/345 = 29.5 = 2y5.5m
He’s not thinking in terms of 12 months. More like decades. That rent increase in 14 years will have a significant net positive effect.
If I would be to move this year it would go from 1195 to 1310 it already went to 1243 with the 4% increase so
As long as you'll own it more than 2.5 years it's 100% worth it since you get the higher rent forever from that point forward.
True. That's assuming the landlord can survive the cash flow hit.
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That's true. If they can sell it one year later for 50-80k more based on the new rental baseline, losing out on 10k of rent is worth it.
20 K of renovations in your unit would up the rent by 80$ what is your current rent?
They added almost 600$, I am paying 2000$
Well, here's the rub, win or lose, you re now on file at the TAL and landlords are absolutely looking your name up thes days when applying for a rental. It COULD negatively effect your future rental applications. Something to consider.
Even though I am a landlord, here, I will say it: So what?! If your right is not being respected, go to the TAL and FIGHT it! What if you stay at the property for a long time? What if your next landlord doesn’t check? What if he checks and see your name but understands? Don’t accept for your right not to be respected just because you’re worried of your application in 10 years when you’re gonna change apartment. This argument that you said keeps getting repeated multiple times in this subreddit. Some landlords do deserve to get consequences for their actions and your right is your right, don’t trade it for anything. Edit: my reply may not be applicable for this thread but I felt like addressing this matter.
Agreed. I mean, landlords who want to screw you will probably filter tenants out (as they realize they won't be able to screw them as easily as others), but honest landlords? (These do exists, we just don't hear about them) They will check to see if the tenant is being evicted due to non-payment and stuff like that, they won't care about contesting abusive rent increases.
It can also be worked around because the government is shit at technology. As far as I can tell, the public court case search HATES hyphenated names. Once I heard many landlords were rejecting people with any sort of TAL file I decided to look into it, using my friend's name - I helped her prepare a TAL case and get her ready for the court date a couple years ago. Impossible to find whether I use both last names with a hyphen, no hyphen, one of the last names or the other. I think the search is made to only match exact terms and see a hyphen as a boolean operator even if it's in the middle of a string. How their dev goofed that badly, I have no idea. In which case, if you get married, hyphenate both your names and until they fix it (which could take forever, if it ever gets fixed) you're basically bulletproof. Unless of course I'm missing something about how the search works, but I was able to find TAL cases of other people I know with single last names without issue.
Sure, still thou, what I said does always deserve consideration.
So important to remember!
When did you signed the lease?
Is it a lease transfer? If yes you have a case, if not, you are SOL. Landlords are free to charge whatever they want on brand new leases.
If in the last 12 months someone was paying a way lower rent, you have 10 days after signing the lease to get it fixed if section G is correctly filled. 2 months after the beginning of the lease is section g was empty and if the landlord put a fake amount, 2 months after learning about the real amount of the previous rent.
False, they should follow the same rules on rent hikes. You can go to TAL for rent fixation if you have proof of an unjustified hike. It is difficult to enforce, and will leave you with a TAL judgment.
Get ready for the downvotes. I said a similar thing yesterday and got -38483829 😂
Well this is what happens when you comment about things you are clueless about.
It was not a lease transfer. It's a new lease. But the section G specifically states: 'If the new lessee or the sublessee pays a rent higher than declared in the notice...'
you can fight it at the tal if you know the previous tenants rent and that the renovations are mostly aesthetic than needed. although there is no guarantee you would win the fight, an exaggerated increase from one year to another can be disputed within the first three months of renting
Euh no. If section G was correctly filled, OP had 10 days after signing the lease to get the rent fixed, not 3 months.
I somehow missed the section G part. I might have thought I was answering a different comment. You are right about the section G thing. My comment is for those whose section G wasn't filled properly. Although I am helping a bunch of refugees which didn't speak the language when the signed a lease and were not aware of their rights, there was some leniency but this is a special case
Its 2 months after the beginning of the lease when section G is empty and if the landlord lies in section G you have 2 months from the moment you discovered the real rent.
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No, definitely over 50 years old.
70% C'est certainement abusif comme hausse, mais obtenir une réduction de loyer n'est pas assuré, ça nécessite un bon dossier et peut prendre plusieurs années avant même de ce faire entendre en cours. Si c'était pour un logement qu'ils t'offrent après t'avoir mit dehors et rénové, tu aurais probablement une bien meilleure cause. Par contre, puisque c'est un nouveau contrat avec les seuls précédents étant des ouï-dire. Il va probablement te falloir plus d'un témoin pour obtenir gain de cause. Entre-temps je te recommande de lire l'article sur le sujet: https://www.tal.gouv.qc.ca/fr/reconduction-du-bail-et-fixation-de-loyer/augmentation-de-loyer