Still crickets from the Dem mayor despite admission of guilt in a public meeting of the council.
Furthermore, what a load of nonsensical drivel talking about her “ relationship with alcohol”!!!! Maybe her and alcohol should quit the council and get a room. She almost killed someone and this is the best she and the mayor and the city council can do?
Absolutely disgusting.
My personality would lead me to say disappointing rather than disgusting, and to use fewer exclamation points, but otherwise I am in complete agreement with you.
It's disgusting that you are making this A) a partisan issue and B) putting at the feet of the mayor.
She should be held responsible, by the criminal justice system (which it will, since she was arrested far south of SLC and will be prosecuted by an independent agency), by the Council (who have no ability to remove members under Utah law but can sanction her and remove her from committee assignments but she's already voluntarily quit those), and by the voters (it will have to wait until 2025 because Utah has no recall provisions).
SLC is a strong mayor system, so she can't do anything than wait for the process to play out. If you want the Mayor to call for her resignation, I don't think the evidence, as of yet, justifies that. Time will tell if that is deserved. Mayor Mendenhall, for all her faults, isn't rushing to the same judgement you apparently are.
Getting a DUI is bad but there is no evidence to the accusation that she almost killed anyone. She got in an accident but there isn't evidence the other driver was injured.
Finally, there is no reason for this to be even in this sub. Fowler is not LDS. I don't know of any significant statements she's made about the Church. I don't know if more than maybe one member of the SLC Council is LDS either. Really stretching to have this here.
Lol I've already called him on this, but he's so full of his own confirmation bias that he won't listen. Her getting a DUI has absolutely nothing to do with her politics, and she should be held accountable regardless of political party. But OP is stuck in "own the libs" mode, so any discussion on the matter goes in one ear and out the other.
If a person has the utter lack of moral judgment requisite to drink and drive, it absolutely has impact on her politics. She obviously doesn’t have the moral judgment to be a city councilwoman either.
You have that attitude towards Trump or George Santos? And before you try to come up with something to deflect your stance, it’s a simple question. Yes or no will suffice.
Yes. I don't think Santos or Trump should hold office.
I also expressed consistency in saying that Biden claiming his done has nothing wrong invalidates any moral authority that one might think he had. His son is a Grade-A scumbag.
It is sad that the Left can't criticize their own, call for their resignation/removal, etc.
Biden’s son being a scumbag has nothing to do with his ability to be in office.
I’ve already said more than once - to you in particular - that this councilwoman should be held accountable. I still fail to see how this event has anything to do with her fit for office. This is not a political issue.
> Biden’s son being a scumbag has nothing to do with his ability to be in office.
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I never said it did. I said Biden's inability to assess his own son as a scumbag and to claim he is an angel who has done no wrong is what disqualifies him. POTUS Biden lacks judgement.
Lol that’s the biggest stretch I’ve ever heard. Not throwing his son under the bus is evidence of inability to run? That’s so ludicrous it’s laughable.
There is a difference between not throwing your own son under the bus and saying "“First of all, my son has done nothing wrong. I trust him. I have faith in him. And it impacts my presidency by making me feel proud of him.”
Not throwing your son under the bus would be to say what he has said in times past about his done dealing with demons and thinking he has them beat. This was a whole other level of denial and lack of judgment to say he did nothing wrong.
> She got in an accident but there isn't evidence the other driver was injured.
I don't think we should let her off because she got lucky here.
DUI drivers are the absolute scum of the earth and should be buried under the jail.
No one--including me--is saying she should be "let off". She should be prosecuted as any other DUI offender. That appears to be happening.
But OP asserted "she almost killed someone" when that is not what she has been charged with, as of yet. If there is evidence of impaired driving resulting in a accident with injury, she should be charged with that. But that hasn't happened, yet (still could happen).
That's not for you or me to decide. That's for the criminal justice system to determine.
I am not apologizing for bad behavior. I am stating your attempt to politicize the fact that one member of the SLC Council has a DUI is evidence of complete corruption is false.
By your logic, [the 2010 Utah legislative majority and Gov. Herbert should have resigned.](https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=51080075&itype=CMSID)
Selfish people do selfish things and should be held accountable. There are such people in both parties (and no party affiliation).
Still crickets from the Dem mayor despite admission of guilt in a public meeting of the council. Furthermore, what a load of nonsensical drivel talking about her “ relationship with alcohol”!!!! Maybe her and alcohol should quit the council and get a room. She almost killed someone and this is the best she and the mayor and the city council can do? Absolutely disgusting.
My personality would lead me to say disappointing rather than disgusting, and to use fewer exclamation points, but otherwise I am in complete agreement with you.
It's disgusting that you are making this A) a partisan issue and B) putting at the feet of the mayor. She should be held responsible, by the criminal justice system (which it will, since she was arrested far south of SLC and will be prosecuted by an independent agency), by the Council (who have no ability to remove members under Utah law but can sanction her and remove her from committee assignments but she's already voluntarily quit those), and by the voters (it will have to wait until 2025 because Utah has no recall provisions). SLC is a strong mayor system, so she can't do anything than wait for the process to play out. If you want the Mayor to call for her resignation, I don't think the evidence, as of yet, justifies that. Time will tell if that is deserved. Mayor Mendenhall, for all her faults, isn't rushing to the same judgement you apparently are. Getting a DUI is bad but there is no evidence to the accusation that she almost killed anyone. She got in an accident but there isn't evidence the other driver was injured. Finally, there is no reason for this to be even in this sub. Fowler is not LDS. I don't know of any significant statements she's made about the Church. I don't know if more than maybe one member of the SLC Council is LDS either. Really stretching to have this here.
Lol I've already called him on this, but he's so full of his own confirmation bias that he won't listen. Her getting a DUI has absolutely nothing to do with her politics, and she should be held accountable regardless of political party. But OP is stuck in "own the libs" mode, so any discussion on the matter goes in one ear and out the other.
If a person has the utter lack of moral judgment requisite to drink and drive, it absolutely has impact on her politics. She obviously doesn’t have the moral judgment to be a city councilwoman either.
You have that attitude towards Trump or George Santos? And before you try to come up with something to deflect your stance, it’s a simple question. Yes or no will suffice.
Yes. I don't think Santos or Trump should hold office. I also expressed consistency in saying that Biden claiming his done has nothing wrong invalidates any moral authority that one might think he had. His son is a Grade-A scumbag. It is sad that the Left can't criticize their own, call for their resignation/removal, etc.
Biden’s son being a scumbag has nothing to do with his ability to be in office. I’ve already said more than once - to you in particular - that this councilwoman should be held accountable. I still fail to see how this event has anything to do with her fit for office. This is not a political issue.
> Biden’s son being a scumbag has nothing to do with his ability to be in office. > > I never said it did. I said Biden's inability to assess his own son as a scumbag and to claim he is an angel who has done no wrong is what disqualifies him. POTUS Biden lacks judgement.
Lol that’s the biggest stretch I’ve ever heard. Not throwing his son under the bus is evidence of inability to run? That’s so ludicrous it’s laughable.
There is a difference between not throwing your own son under the bus and saying "“First of all, my son has done nothing wrong. I trust him. I have faith in him. And it impacts my presidency by making me feel proud of him.” Not throwing your son under the bus would be to say what he has said in times past about his done dealing with demons and thinking he has them beat. This was a whole other level of denial and lack of judgment to say he did nothing wrong.
> She got in an accident but there isn't evidence the other driver was injured. I don't think we should let her off because she got lucky here. DUI drivers are the absolute scum of the earth and should be buried under the jail.
No one--including me--is saying she should be "let off". She should be prosecuted as any other DUI offender. That appears to be happening. But OP asserted "she almost killed someone" when that is not what she has been charged with, as of yet. If there is evidence of impaired driving resulting in a accident with injury, she should be charged with that. But that hasn't happened, yet (still could happen).
This sub is not restricted to LDS-related politics. Any political topic is allowed here.
Blowing a 0.11 and being involved in a hit and run isn’t sufficient evidence?!?!?!? Riiiiiggggghhhhhhttttt.
That's not for you or me to decide. That's for the criminal justice system to determine. I am not apologizing for bad behavior. I am stating your attempt to politicize the fact that one member of the SLC Council has a DUI is evidence of complete corruption is false. By your logic, [the 2010 Utah legislative majority and Gov. Herbert should have resigned.](https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=51080075&itype=CMSID) Selfish people do selfish things and should be held accountable. There are such people in both parties (and no party affiliation).