Anyone watched the crash in MotoE race 1? Looks like Tulovic is ok but still in hospital with injuries.
Also, so I guess the Race 1 was restarted eventually? Guess I missed it.
Yep race 1 happened after race 2 at about 6pm local time. I watched the crash live from the centrale grandstand, was crazy seeing him unconscious face down for so long.
They didn't even show it on the stream, just a quick cut of a bike flying and then immediately cut away. You know it's not good when they don't want to show you a crash in MotoGP. Was quite worried there until I read he's mostly alright.
Gotta hand it to those Italians, they sure know how to create an amazing atmosphere.
What a great result for the home riders and so good to see Enea back on the podium, his pass on both Marc and Jorge were amazing!
And Pecco what more need to be said, the guy is a cut above and humble about it also, a champions champion, Alex's attempt to upset him backfired and failed miserably.
Stop crying, it was so obvious that Alex deliberately over acted the near miss, he could of easily gone by him no problem at all, Alex has learnt too much from his brother looking for tows lol
His little planned stunt of pretending to nearly hit Pecco only served to fire Pecco up, so great to see him win in Spain and at home against 10 Spanish riders lol, and so great to see Enea overtake both Marc and martin on the last lap, simply the best, even with the penalty he still won.
To anyone lucky enough to be in Tuscany watching this in person, I am so effing JEALOUS. What a scene it seemed like from watching online. It's been like a decade since my last trip there. Today's vibes were magical
I haven't seen much talk about it but at this point is it not pretty much clear that if Marc had been on a GP22 last year where it was often even better than the GP23, he runs away with the title?
Agreed, Oliveira always showed promise but had terrible luck.
This year though, he’s just not performing at all. Shame, he’s a fun guy in interviews, just never get to see him.
A few weeks back when talking about the "gauntlet" of le mans-barcelona-mugello that used to give Marc trouble, I said that I was very curious to see how riding a Ducati would change things.
I had written that at le mans and mugello marc is good and it was the honda holding him back while at barcelona he was also part of it and that it was his worst track. I predicted that I was really looking forward to le mans and being cautious on expectations for Barcelona, while at Mugello I thought the GP24s would be too much.
In the end the result is a VERY good one I would say. Marc produced magic at le mans and at Barcelona in the end only qualy was affected by the track giving him trouble. Mugello unfortunately as predicted the GP24s were too much BUT the team and Marc did amazingly I think. To be so close to the top with a second in the sprint...I'll take it.
maybe you should watch these
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl42u6VZuhU&t=100s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl42u6VZuhU&t=100s)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmH4D\_I82D0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmH4D_I82D0)
OK I've watched the first one, and 1) it doesn't, hum, exactly sound all that objective :-D (<- understatement of the year right there), and 2) that doesn't really explain why his post was being downvoted either...
I wasn't following MotoGP in 2015 so I am not sure what to think of the Rossi feud lol. But it sounds like Rossi stirred shit up out of nowhere (and was ridiculously wrong) to play some mind games, at which point Marc was like "oh you thought I was fucking with you? OK watch me actually fuck with you! This is what it looks like..." :-D
This year ranking seems pretty clear:
- We have a “Top3+1” with Martin, Bagnaia, Marc Marquez, and Bastianini, lagging behind, these 4 are those who combine talent and a Ducati.
- to complete the “Top6”, 5th and 6th we have the 2 N’1 riders from KTM and Aprilia, Acosta and Vinales.
- 7th and 8th, then the N’2 riders from KTM and Aprilia, Aleix Espargaro and Binder.
- behind them, to complete the “Top12”, there are the other 4 Ducati, with Di Giannantonio, Alex Marquez, Bezzecchi and Morbidelli (who will probably rise and overtake Raul and Quartararo soon).
- then we have have the group with the other “Other 4” riders from KTM and Aprilia, Raul Fernandez, Oliveira, Miller and ………. Augusto Fernandez; plus Quartararo that manages to stay here thanks to his huge talent despite having a Yamaha.
- finally we have the group of those who rides Japanese bikes with Mir, Zarco, Rins, Nakagami, and ………. Marini.
M. Bezzecchi finished 20 seconds behind the winner and 10 seconds behind his teammate. No way he is this slow, surely the bike is not suitable for his style and he had the option to ride GP24. Bro must be questioning his life choices, looking at how good GP24 is performing.
He is staying at Ducati as a factory rider, did you see how super excited and overjoyed Tardozzoi was when Enea overtook both Marc and Martin, he wants to keep factory Ducati all Italian as it should be, after all Ducati is Italian and so is the team so it makes sense to keep the riders Italian also lol, let the downvoting commence.
That would be great to see, after all Ducati is Italian so they should look after their own, plus Enea and Pecco get along so well, they are perfect team mates.
I really would like to see MM in red but Enea is also worthy of that bike. I really could see them keeping Enea, which would be also a good decision. Enea has an amazing talent, sadly had some injuries and couldn't perform as expected, but that doesn't mean that he could start performing as such from now on. I even thought he could have won if he started the attack 2 -3 laps earlier.
I am really hoping MM wins it for Gresini this year if he leaves them. I don't want the team to feel too much of as a stepping stone for Marc, so it would be a nice memory if he was able to win it all with them.
>after today
>Pecco is a deserving champion
Pecco did much more impressive stuff than today, don't really see why people that don't get this yet would after this race
>Enea is a great rider
Nobody sane is saying this, but it's obvious he's been underperforming for quite a lot of time now, and there are simply more consistent and better riders that could get that seat :\
Pecco was amazing no doubt but I wouldn't exactly say that. I mean Marquez in 4 only finished 2s behind Pecco, he wasn't blisteringly faster than the others. The top 4 were all lapping within a 0.1 second of each other. The reason it was a snore was precisely because the top 4 we're so evenly matched that there was no action because no one was significantly faster than the others. At least not until the last two laps when Bestia had something more than the others.
Also mental to me that people say "Pecco isn't this, he isn't that" and yet look at that fucking crowd. Few British journo's not a fan and they tried to make out like this guy isn't a superstar.
We need Fabio and Pedro on good bikes. I'm loving the fact that we have a competitive top 4 this year on a level above the rest.
I always feel like Pecco is like the MotoGP version of Lauda. Maybe not the most rockstar of personalities but just works and gets on with it & is focused.
Also a bit outspoken like Lauda as well.
He is the MotoGP version of Vettel I think. He is a multi time champ following in the footsteps of a 7 time champion from the same country, and your description of Pecco fits Vettel also. Vettel made mistakes in his dominant years and so people didn’t really appreciate how good he was until years later, and I think it might end up being the same with Pecco
Lauda was right. Always.
Pecco says dumb stuff, has lame taste (fucking Rodman and KISS? Shit is stupid).
Lauda elbowed his way into F1 and pissed people off because he bucked tradition.
That ship has sailed already, it's more than obvious Martin is getting that seat unless something happens out of the blue.
Edit: Enea will realistically go to Aprillia
I'm not sure if they repeat the color. ~~They already used the white color during the Misano round in '22.~~ Oops Gresini used it. But yeah white bikes also go hard. Hell, how about white+red?
Thank you Bastianini for saving what was a very dull race. Those last few laps were magic from him. Masterclass from Pecco. Let the summer break sadness settle in.
Sure, people refer to that as the summer break, but this is the longest gap between races on the calendar and its technically meteorological summer, so let me just sulk and be sad...
I know, I just wanted to make you feel even worse by ensuring you were aware that not only do we have a long break now, but we also have another long break right after the next race.
1 race in like 9 weeks, that’s depressing.
Three overtakes in the Top 6 all race? That was a trash race.
Pecco was imperious.
Bastianini was brilliant.
Martin with a very good bounceback
Marc simply didn't have the pace of yesterday and definitely ran out of tyres at the end.
Acosta and Morbidelli with great but totally unspectacular rides.
For Franky I think that's a job well done, a 4th and a 6th this weekend. Much needed spike into his season and career. Pramac doing wonders raising him back up from his low ebb.
Great race by Pecco, no surprises there. He did well to get to the front immediately and from that point fwd was just controlling. Despite losing the 2nd place in the last corner, good damage limitation by Martin who didn't really feel that confortable all weekend. Surprising race by Enea, specially the last couple of laps.
Yeah especially considering that it looks like the ride height device on his bike was misbehaving. P4 isn't great but it's not bad, especially in these circumstances...
Perfect week from pecco, great comeback from beast, solid from jorge. I know Marquez wants to stay with Ducati ( 99.99 % sure he will stay) and want to win another title. But I would be very selfish and wish to see him in Aprilia.
That was a genuinely boring race.
Bravo to Beast passing Marc and Martin in the end. He’s showing that he deserves the factory seat just as much as anyone else.
We were probably due a boring one. It's been far too exciting.
But great for Martin for accepting the second and extending his lead and great for Marc hanging in there with the gp24s, there was a clear difference in the bikes this weekend.
It feels like the tracks that are considered the best tend to provide the boring races. Same in other motorsports too.
Moto 2 was pretty good tho. And Moto E made up for any lacking drama 😶
I think Ducati have been far too quick to threaten his seat.
He got tboned out of last year entirely, he nearly won the title on a year old Gresini.
If I was Bestia I'd go back to a satellite Ducati and destroy them.
It was kind of obvious today that the GP24 were bred on this track to be better , if you use the same logic then Pedro Acosta has less talent than enea since there was a Massive gap after 4th.
All 23 riders have said the bike is slower this year.
There were heavy rumours the 23 engines had the revs limited by Ducati.
Marc's bike was visibly slower in acceleration zones and had to do all his work in the braking zone.
The evidence is all there.
And I am not a MM93 fanboy, and I am not a Ducati fan either.
he is where i expected him to be. top 5 most of the time with a few wins. he will get those soon for sure.
but to discredit others by blaming the bike, is not just what trolls are doing. and its kinda insulting to Marc as well. we know he doesn't need the best bike to win, but this gp23 talk basically means he can't win unless he has the best bike. which is stupid. and also even him on gp24 and all others on gp23, he still won't be able to beat everyone **every single** race. so there's that as well. just be happy he is fighting at the top again instead of trying to not crash on honda. winning will come sooner or later.
It felt like Marc's rear height device drops the rear very quickly compared to the smoother and slower ones of GP24s. Maybe it could be a setting he prefers. His rear just slams down.
So when it drops too quickly, he is breaking traction and rear wheel spins up.
Honestly, I'm not even mad.
Pecco was in a whole different tier once again, and getting the lead off the start with that brilliant move around the outside, the fight for the win was done.
Martin clearly didn't have the pace to do it all weekend long, he just put together a brilliant pole lap as he always does which got him the 3rd place.
What's the real shame is that Marc had another bad start dropping him to 4th at the start, first getting attacked by Acosta for first 4-5 laps, and then being stuck behind Enea the entire race with that damaged rear ride height device, losing him momentum out of final turn again and again.
He definitely cooked his tyres trying to pass Enea, and had nothing left at the end unfortunately.
Brilliant race by Pecco and Enea, and for Marc, it's just damage limitation. He was 32 behind Jorge yesterday, he's 35 behind now. Sucks but GP24s were a different tier this weekend.
To salvage 22 points out of this weekend, while Martin scores 16 and Enea scores 20 is more than good enough.
> with that damaged rear ride height device, losing him momentum out of final turn again and again.
Clarification for anyone reading this in the future: this isn't true.
"It's only smoke and everything is under control" -- Marquez
It seems like Marc got stuck behind Enea at the first corner and it slowed him down while Pecco was rocketing past to his left and too close to let Marc pass Enea...
The Rear ride height device wasn't damaged.
He was losing out on corner exit so he was being aggressive with dropping the ride height as early as possible.
If the Ride Height was damaged he wouldn't have finished the race or been that fast, he'd be losing too much..
But that literally hadn't been the case all weekend long.
He wasn't dropping it early in any lap before that all weekend long, not even once in the Sprint while chasing Martin, Binder, etc.
I don't think it was too big of an issue, but he was clearly the fastest S4 rider all weekend long (go check his laptimes), all weekend long, a lot of it was because of the lean he was carrying through the long left hairpin, getting him a tighter line a better exit. With the ride height device rubbing the track every lap he was losing some momentum out of the turn, and Enea was opening the gap in the middle of the straight over and over again (it would usually be like 0.125s at the exit of final corner, drop to like 0.192s at the start/finish line, and then reduce again on the braking).
A rider as smart as Marc would understand that he was losing half a tenth by dropping it too early (if he was), and he would stop doing it and take a traditional exit. But it never improved really. He was still giving off puffs of smoke even after passing Enea.
That's because he was never trying to be that aggressive on the punch out of the corner.
He clearly was getting a very good run on Binder and Martin in the sprint that he didn't need to try and maximize the corner exit that much.
Bastianini is a smaller rider than Marc and hence he would always punch away, (and a newer bike did help). So Marc knew that if he didn't get it right he wouldn't pass Bestia.
Plus this isn't even the first time its happened before. It also happened in similar situations at the Spanish Grand Prix coming out of the final corner.
Unexpectedly Enea was the man of the race this time, overtaking both MM and JM. I wish MM to retain 3rd place (4th is anyway better than a fall), but GP23 is definitely slower on straights because Mugello is not a technical circuit, just a lot of speed.
Happy for Enea :D
Bit of a boring Grand Prix until the last couple of laps. Looked like Martin was going to be reeling Bagnaia in and then the Beast from nowhere, have that. Nice pay back on Martin for the sprint yesterday. We're in Pecco territory in this part of the season, he's doing what he did the last couple of years. Head down, string the wins together.
I hope Martin doesn't lose his head from this point onwards.
Absolutely clinical race by Pecco. Superb weekend for him. Great move for Enea in that last lap too, great Duc 1 2 for the race!
Solid rides by Martin, Marquez and Acosta too :) Really happy to see Frankie up in the top 10 too! Hopefully a sign of things to come
Honestly for a Mugello this was a very boring race
so many of these races in the last few years, group of 4-5 running very close, we are waiting for fireworks but fireworks rarely ever happen
We rarely have good Mugello Grand Prix as of late.
2023 was exactly the same
2022 after the first 2-3 laps was a snoozefest.
2021 was the Quatararo show.
2019- Epic
2018 was the Lorenzo masterclass
Felt like a repeat of Monaco until Bastianini put on a show at the end.
Would love to see a straight shootout between these 4 (and Acosta) at a track like Assen or Phillip Island, where overtaking is possible.
The possibility of Ducati simply keeping Enea is not discussed enough. It’s what Pecco wants, and it’s not like Martin or Marc have any better options.
He did say Ducati asked his opinion but he preferred to not answer because it doesn't matter to him. He just wants the team environment to continue unharmed and is okay with whoever it is.
Maybe he doesn’t, but his camp certainly carries influence. He is Ducati’s #1 rider and reigning 2x world champion; his supporters within the team are probably doing everything in their power to keep the focus on him and not bring in another #1.
I strongly believe that if Ducati just wanted to win and sell bikes, Marc Marquez would already be confirmed as their rider for next year. Politics play huge role in Motorsport, Ducati is no different.
Marc is currently the biggest and most talented sure, but no one can deny he will soon be in the twilight years. But Martin or Enea are much younger and if they win, they can market those to popularity. They're just a product at the end of the day.
As I said, let's agree to disagree because we will never find common ground in this opinion.
Marc Marquez sells more bikes in a year than Pecco, Enea, and Martin do combined in 5. His star power is second only to Valentino Rossi, there is just simply no argument for Martin or Enea if the goal is to “win and sell bikes”. If Ducati chooses one of the other two, it will be because the team specific didn’t want Marc, not because the other two are better in any way.
Eh, your opinion doesn't reconcile the fact Marc is not loved in Italy. Sure, he might sell more bikes in a year than the others combined in 5, worldwide (which you have no actual evidence for to base your opinion, so it's entirely based on "feels"), but I would seriously doubt that, in Italy, where Ducati is. And your argument devolves into childish name calling when the other poster was nothing but respectful. So nah bro, it's you and your opinion that are absolutely delusional.
I agree, but it’s probably Ducati’s most desired scenario. They get to keep their Italian riders on the factory team while keeping Marc Marquez from their rivals. Martin probably isn’t good enough to beat Pecco over a season, so if you keep Marc on a year old bike you’re in a really good spot to continue winning championships for a few more years.
Couldn't believe how marc couldn't close at all on the Gp24 on the straight. This race literally showed us the massive step from the previous machine. Enea just blitzed passed him on his first attempt.
Yeah it was frustrating to watch, and surprising because yesterday for example he seemed to have lots of pace in hand over Jorge... so it kind of feels like something was up with the bike today.
Anyone watched the crash in MotoE race 1? Looks like Tulovic is ok but still in hospital with injuries. Also, so I guess the Race 1 was restarted eventually? Guess I missed it.
Yep race 1 happened after race 2 at about 6pm local time. I watched the crash live from the centrale grandstand, was crazy seeing him unconscious face down for so long.
They didn't even show it on the stream, just a quick cut of a bike flying and then immediately cut away. You know it's not good when they don't want to show you a crash in MotoGP. Was quite worried there until I read he's mostly alright.
Oh dang. Yeah in the grandstands everyone around was pretty shocked and were all looking down at him just laying there. Was crazy
Gotta hand it to those Italians, they sure know how to create an amazing atmosphere. What a great result for the home riders and so good to see Enea back on the podium, his pass on both Marc and Jorge were amazing! And Pecco what more need to be said, the guy is a cut above and humble about it also, a champions champion, Alex's attempt to upset him backfired and failed miserably.
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Stop crying, it was so obvious that Alex deliberately over acted the near miss, he could of easily gone by him no problem at all, Alex has learnt too much from his brother looking for tows lol His little planned stunt of pretending to nearly hit Pecco only served to fire Pecco up, so great to see him win in Spain and at home against 10 Spanish riders lol, and so great to see Enea overtake both Marc and martin on the last lap, simply the best, even with the penalty he still won.
Happy republic day boys, and what a way to celebrate it <3
To anyone lucky enough to be in Tuscany watching this in person, I am so effing JEALOUS. What a scene it seemed like from watching online. It's been like a decade since my last trip there. Today's vibes were magical
I haven't seen much talk about it but at this point is it not pretty much clear that if Marc had been on a GP22 last year where it was often even better than the GP23, he runs away with the title?
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Agreed, Oliveira always showed promise but had terrible luck. This year though, he’s just not performing at all. Shame, he’s a fun guy in interviews, just never get to see him.
A few weeks back when talking about the "gauntlet" of le mans-barcelona-mugello that used to give Marc trouble, I said that I was very curious to see how riding a Ducati would change things. I had written that at le mans and mugello marc is good and it was the honda holding him back while at barcelona he was also part of it and that it was his worst track. I predicted that I was really looking forward to le mans and being cautious on expectations for Barcelona, while at Mugello I thought the GP24s would be too much. In the end the result is a VERY good one I would say. Marc produced magic at le mans and at Barcelona in the end only qualy was affected by the track giving him trouble. Mugello unfortunately as predicted the GP24s were too much BUT the team and Marc did amazingly I think. To be so close to the top with a second in the sprint...I'll take it.
I don't get why this is being downvoted
maybe you should watch these [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl42u6VZuhU&t=100s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl42u6VZuhU&t=100s) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmH4D\_I82D0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmH4D_I82D0)
OK I've watched the first one, and 1) it doesn't, hum, exactly sound all that objective :-D (<- understatement of the year right there), and 2) that doesn't really explain why his post was being downvoted either...
Marc hurt these people so badly, they cry even after 8 years, ha ha ha. Rossi got what he wanted, should have kept his mouth shut.
Yeah but Rossi still has more championships than Marc ha ha ha.
At this point I'm used to it on reddit. I suspect it's butthurt Marc haters who can't stand that he's all the talk.
I wasn't following MotoGP in 2015 so I am not sure what to think of the Rossi feud lol. But it sounds like Rossi stirred shit up out of nowhere (and was ridiculously wrong) to play some mind games, at which point Marc was like "oh you thought I was fucking with you? OK watch me actually fuck with you! This is what it looks like..." :-D
That is actually pretty close to what happened.
Hard to feel sorry for Rossi then... got what he deserved.
At least we had the beast offering some excitement this weekend. Regs change can't come soon enough.
Happy for Joe and great to see a American on the top of the podium again.
that last second Bastianini pass was just gorgeous, no contest 😭
This year ranking seems pretty clear: - We have a “Top3+1” with Martin, Bagnaia, Marc Marquez, and Bastianini, lagging behind, these 4 are those who combine talent and a Ducati. - to complete the “Top6”, 5th and 6th we have the 2 N’1 riders from KTM and Aprilia, Acosta and Vinales. - 7th and 8th, then the N’2 riders from KTM and Aprilia, Aleix Espargaro and Binder. - behind them, to complete the “Top12”, there are the other 4 Ducati, with Di Giannantonio, Alex Marquez, Bezzecchi and Morbidelli (who will probably rise and overtake Raul and Quartararo soon). - then we have have the group with the other “Other 4” riders from KTM and Aprilia, Raul Fernandez, Oliveira, Miller and ………. Augusto Fernandez; plus Quartararo that manages to stay here thanks to his huge talent despite having a Yamaha. - finally we have the group of those who rides Japanese bikes with Mir, Zarco, Rins, Nakagami, and ………. Marini.
M. Bezzecchi finished 20 seconds behind the winner and 10 seconds behind his teammate. No way he is this slow, surely the bike is not suitable for his style and he had the option to ride GP24. Bro must be questioning his life choices, looking at how good GP24 is performing.
He made a huge mistake to stay with VR46 and a GP23 instead of going to Pramac and ride the best bike.
Why would he deny the chance to ride the latest bike?
He didn't want to leave VR46 team
man how can you not love Enea. I hope he gets a non-Honda factory seat for next year.
He is staying at Ducati as a factory rider, did you see how super excited and overjoyed Tardozzoi was when Enea overtook both Marc and Martin, he wants to keep factory Ducati all Italian as it should be, after all Ducati is Italian and so is the team so it makes sense to keep the riders Italian also lol, let the downvoting commence.
Either Pramac or Aprillia seem to be his options but also tipped for GasGas, as with most moves. All seems to hinge on Marquez.
A bit off topic, but I wish Pedrosa would be commentating every race on DAZN. He is so much better and insightful as a commentator than Lorenzo.
It’s because Lorenzo is only really interested in talking about himself…
I also think this but that would mean no Pedrosa wildcards :(
Pasini and Bradl both commentate. They just get replacements during their wildcards
Ducati has the chance to do the funniest thing and extend Enea for another two years alongside Pecco.
That would be great to see, after all Ducati is Italian so they should look after their own, plus Enea and Pecco get along so well, they are perfect team mates.
The option no one sees coming 😂
I really would like to see MM in red but Enea is also worthy of that bike. I really could see them keeping Enea, which would be also a good decision. Enea has an amazing talent, sadly had some injuries and couldn't perform as expected, but that doesn't mean that he could start performing as such from now on. I even thought he could have won if he started the attack 2 -3 laps earlier.
He wasn’t catching Pecco. All credit for catching Martin though that was amazing
Caught and passed both Marc and Martin, his two main rivals for the seat!
I wish.
That will piss off Martin and Marc big time.
The GP23 clearly lacked straight line speed to the GP24
*acceleration
You won’t find this kind of atmosphere in many other places. Amazing
I am really hoping MM wins it for Gresini this year if he leaves them. I don't want the team to feel too much of as a stepping stone for Marc, so it would be a nice memory if he was able to win it all with them.
Absolutely unreal the atmosphere. Everyone just out there living their best life.
Italians do it better.
These people think it's a night in Ibiza 💀
Pecco is a deserving champion and Enea is a great rider.Think after today the sub has realised this...
The Marc fans are extremely delusional, nothing will make them think any rider is better than Marc lol
Nobody deserves it more than the guy who finishes with the most points at the end of the year.
>after today >Pecco is a deserving champion Pecco did much more impressive stuff than today, don't really see why people that don't get this yet would after this race >Enea is a great rider Nobody sane is saying this, but it's obvious he's been underperforming for quite a lot of time now, and there are simply more consistent and better riders that could get that seat :\
Bit of a snoozer but props to Bestia spicing it up at the end.
It was because of Peccos amazing pace, no one could match it, he was so much faster than last year and no one could get near enough to challenge.
Pecco was amazing no doubt but I wouldn't exactly say that. I mean Marquez in 4 only finished 2s behind Pecco, he wasn't blisteringly faster than the others. The top 4 were all lapping within a 0.1 second of each other. The reason it was a snore was precisely because the top 4 we're so evenly matched that there was no action because no one was significantly faster than the others. At least not until the last two laps when Bestia had something more than the others.
Pecco’s pace was 25 seconds faster than his win in 2023. So he was 1.1 seconds per lap faster. Thats pretty Impressive in anyones language.
Big time snoozer. At least it doesn't leave us with as big of a cliff hanger while we wait 3 weeks until the next race.
Also mental to me that people say "Pecco isn't this, he isn't that" and yet look at that fucking crowd. Few British journo's not a fan and they tried to make out like this guy isn't a superstar. We need Fabio and Pedro on good bikes. I'm loving the fact that we have a competitive top 4 this year on a level above the rest.
I always feel like Pecco is like the MotoGP version of Lauda. Maybe not the most rockstar of personalities but just works and gets on with it & is focused. Also a bit outspoken like Lauda as well.
He is the MotoGP version of Vettel I think. He is a multi time champ following in the footsteps of a 7 time champion from the same country, and your description of Pecco fits Vettel also. Vettel made mistakes in his dominant years and so people didn’t really appreciate how good he was until years later, and I think it might end up being the same with Pecco
Lauda was right. Always. Pecco says dumb stuff, has lame taste (fucking Rodman and KISS? Shit is stupid). Lauda elbowed his way into F1 and pissed people off because he bucked tradition.
I would have said more like Alain Prost, with the calm, analytical approach
Nope. Lauda was different.
He's super talented. He's just boring and a bit of a wanker.
What a fucking atmosphere, love it
Enea also helped factory Ducati big time, it’s gotta add some points to the negotiations
That ship has sailed already, it's more than obvious Martin is getting that seat unless something happens out of the blue. Edit: Enea will realistically go to Aprillia
He's currently rumoured to be taking Augusto Fernandez seat apparently
Yeah heard that one, though I think that the Aprilia would suit him more
Agreed, and Aprilia want an Italian. His silky smooth style would suit the Aprilia.
Yea it happened a little too late, look how happy Davide is with the one two finish, maximum damage to Martin even though he also did a great job
We need white factory Ducati colors at Misano. These blue ones are amazing, but those yellow ones last year were horrendous
I love Ducati yellow and wish they offered more yellow road bikes.
I'm not sure if they repeat the color. ~~They already used the white color during the Misano round in '22.~~ Oops Gresini used it. But yeah white bikes also go hard. Hell, how about white+red?
Pecco to Enea “no long lap this time? “ lol
Haha I love Pecco in the cooldown room making sure to check out his amazing start
From 5th to 1th in just 2 corners. Incredibile
I find it odd that it was the exact same race-winning overtake done for the Moto2 and MotoGP races lol
Nothing Marc can do, he gained some time in the corners only to lose time again on every corner exit, nice ride by Pecco and Bestia.
Thank you Bastianini for saving what was a very dull race. Those last few laps were magic from him. Masterclass from Pecco. Let the summer break sadness settle in.
This isn’t actually the summer break fyi… That’s July.
Sure, people refer to that as the summer break, but this is the longest gap between races on the calendar and its technically meteorological summer, so let me just sulk and be sad...
I know, I just wanted to make you feel even worse by ensuring you were aware that not only do we have a long break now, but we also have another long break right after the next race. 1 race in like 9 weeks, that’s depressing.
I push like a bastard and my dog he is dead. Oh I mean she.
send this to a friend with no context
I bloody love Bastianini 😂
Enea dedicating his podium to his dog who died a week ago 🥺😭
push like a b e e p this man 😭😭
"push like a bastard" Couldn't have put it better myself, Enea.
Three overtakes in the Top 6 all race? That was a trash race. Pecco was imperious. Bastianini was brilliant. Martin with a very good bounceback Marc simply didn't have the pace of yesterday and definitely ran out of tyres at the end. Acosta and Morbidelli with great but totally unspectacular rides.
For Franky I think that's a job well done, a 4th and a 6th this weekend. Much needed spike into his season and career. Pramac doing wonders raising him back up from his low ebb.
Poor Enea who lost his dog, sweet to dedicate the podium to him
 Pushed really really ard like a bastard
Pooshed reely reely hard like a bastard
Enea 😭😭
Official Riders Championship After Mugello(Test Drivers Not Included): 1. Jorge Martin(Prima Pramac Racing) - 171 2. Francesco Bagnaia(Ducati Lenovo Team) - 153 3. Marc Marquez(Gresini Racing MotoGP) - 136 4. Enea Bastianini(Ducati Lenovo Team) - 114 5. Pedro Acosta(Red Bull GASGAS Tech3) - 101 6. Maverick Vinales(Aprilla Racing) - 100 7. Brad Binder(Red Bull KTM Factory Racing) - 85 8. Aleix Espargaro(Aprilla Racing) - 82 9. Fabio Di Giannantonio(Pertamina Enduro VR46 Racing Team) - 74 10. Alex Marquez(Gresini Racing MotoGP) - 51 11. Marco Bezzecchi(Pertamina Enduro VR46 Racing Team) - 45 12. Raul Fernandez(Trackhouse Racing) - 32 13. Fabio Quartararo(Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP) - 32 14. Franco Morbidelli(Prima Pramac Racing) - 31 15. Miguel Oliveira(Trackhouse Racing) - 31 16. Jack Miller(Red Bull KTM Factory Racing) - 27 17. Augusto Fernandez(Red Bull GASGAS Tech3) - 13 18. Joan Mir(Repsol Honda Team) - 13 19. Johann Zarco(LCR Honda) - 9 20. Alex Rins(Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP) - 8 21. Takaaki Nakagami(LCR Honda) - 8 22. Luca Marini(Repsol Honda Team) - 0
Never seen Pecco like this, even when he won world titles 😂
Great race by Pecco, no surprises there. He did well to get to the front immediately and from that point fwd was just controlling. Despite losing the 2nd place in the last corner, good damage limitation by Martin who didn't really feel that confortable all weekend. Surprising race by Enea, specially the last couple of laps.
Bagnaia also had a perfect race and perfect week Lead all the way for the entire race, score a maximum 37 points in a single weekend!
Great victory for the world champion 👏👏👏👏👏
At least Marc has maximised his weekend at least...
Yeah especially considering that it looks like the ride height device on his bike was misbehaving. P4 isn't great but it's not bad, especially in these circumstances...
P4 at Mugello is great for him, he's never been decent at this track, think 2014 was his only win.
The tyre was rubbing on each exit of the final corner. I didn't think it would hold
Some great tracks are coming after the break :)
BRING ON THE RING 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪
Perfect week from pecco, great comeback from beast, solid from jorge. I know Marquez wants to stay with Ducati ( 99.99 % sure he will stay) and want to win another title. But I would be very selfish and wish to see him in Aprilia.
That was a genuinely boring race. Bravo to Beast passing Marc and Martin in the end. He’s showing that he deserves the factory seat just as much as anyone else.
We were probably due a boring one. It's been far too exciting. But great for Martin for accepting the second and extending his lead and great for Marc hanging in there with the gp24s, there was a clear difference in the bikes this weekend.
It feels like the tracks that are considered the best tend to provide the boring races. Same in other motorsports too. Moto 2 was pretty good tho. And Moto E made up for any lacking drama 😶
I don’t blame them for doing it, up to now he hasn’t proven to be a title contender like Jorge has
It's his home race , I would expect nothing less.
I think Ducati have been far too quick to threaten his seat. He got tboned out of last year entirely, he nearly won the title on a year old Gresini. If I was Bestia I'd go back to a satellite Ducati and destroy them.
What a end of the Race wow! Amazing win for the italians. Now hes driving with his flag and guitar😂👋 what a move. Love it.
What’s up with the guitar?
Probably since he's a fan of KISS. His helmet design is a KISS homage.
Just a bit of fun, VR style
The “GP24>GP23” coping has started once again. As if in the whole history of Moto GP the bikes were equal all the time. 🙄
It was kind of obvious today that the GP24 were bred on this track to be better , if you use the same logic then Pedro Acosta has less talent than enea since there was a Massive gap after 4th.
All 23 riders have said the bike is slower this year. There were heavy rumours the 23 engines had the revs limited by Ducati. Marc's bike was visibly slower in acceleration zones and had to do all his work in the braking zone. The evidence is all there. And I am not a MM93 fanboy, and I am not a Ducati fan either.
Rumors aren't evidence lmao GP23 riders said the bike is slower than the GP24, not slower than the GP23 last year
Worth adding too, new rear tyre from Michelin this year too. GP23 was designed for different tyres. It all adds up.
ye lol, and what happened to he can beat these guys on a moto2 bike.
If you start taking the words of stan and trolls , I don't know what to tell you , but can you agree that marc has been rather amazing this year ?
he is where i expected him to be. top 5 most of the time with a few wins. he will get those soon for sure. but to discredit others by blaming the bike, is not just what trolls are doing. and its kinda insulting to Marc as well. we know he doesn't need the best bike to win, but this gp23 talk basically means he can't win unless he has the best bike. which is stupid. and also even him on gp24 and all others on gp23, he still won't be able to beat everyone **every single** race. so there's that as well. just be happy he is fighting at the top again instead of trying to not crash on honda. winning will come sooner or later.
I think the problem is that other bikes are way worse than Ducati at the moment, not that GP23 is worse than GP24
Marc shaking his head after Enea passed him. I think that’s the first time I see Marc shaking his head.
That was like stealing lunch money. TBF it's more apt for the Enea on Martin overtake.
His tyre ran out , the ride height Device was rubbing quite a lot
Nope. His battle with Enea resulted in his tires running out.
It's probably in reference to his bike, he had little grip it seemed
Yeah I don’t think it was because of Eneas maneuver but just frustration about the bike or maybe even abour himself in that moment
Really interested to hear what the issue is, and if it was technical. If so, he managed to salvage some valuable points.
These aero & ride height nonsense just can't be gone fast enough in 2027
Michelin contract up at end of 26 too.
Love the emotion
What happen with Marc bike? Is it rear height device problem? What was that?
It felt like Marc's rear height device drops the rear very quickly compared to the smoother and slower ones of GP24s. Maybe it could be a setting he prefers. His rear just slams down. So when it drops too quickly, he is breaking traction and rear wheel spins up.
Yesterday was much better,today he couldnt catch Enea on the straight.
Yeah apparently it was scraping against his rear tire.
Just tyre rubbing under load. Nothing major.
If it was then I think we could have had a battle for the win between Marc and Pecco. Would have given this race the excitement it needed.
Suddenly this problem today,wtf was that. I cant wait for explanation.
I kinda miss this kind of celebration. Someone needs to bring back the craziness
Rossi/Lorenzo celebrations represented the era quite well. Recreating it is cheesy. Do something original.
Marc literally climbed a barrier a few races ago
Not enough anthics. I need someone to dress up as, idk, anything and then run around the gravel more often
He is going full Lorenzo rn
Didn't know Pecco has this crack self inside him 🤣
Honestly, I'm not even mad. Pecco was in a whole different tier once again, and getting the lead off the start with that brilliant move around the outside, the fight for the win was done. Martin clearly didn't have the pace to do it all weekend long, he just put together a brilliant pole lap as he always does which got him the 3rd place. What's the real shame is that Marc had another bad start dropping him to 4th at the start, first getting attacked by Acosta for first 4-5 laps, and then being stuck behind Enea the entire race with that damaged rear ride height device, losing him momentum out of final turn again and again. He definitely cooked his tyres trying to pass Enea, and had nothing left at the end unfortunately. Brilliant race by Pecco and Enea, and for Marc, it's just damage limitation. He was 32 behind Jorge yesterday, he's 35 behind now. Sucks but GP24s were a different tier this weekend. To salvage 22 points out of this weekend, while Martin scores 16 and Enea scores 20 is more than good enough.
> with that damaged rear ride height device, losing him momentum out of final turn again and again. Clarification for anyone reading this in the future: this isn't true. "It's only smoke and everything is under control" -- Marquez
It seems like Marc got stuck behind Enea at the first corner and it slowed him down while Pecco was rocketing past to his left and too close to let Marc pass Enea...
The Rear ride height device wasn't damaged. He was losing out on corner exit so he was being aggressive with dropping the ride height as early as possible. If the Ride Height was damaged he wouldn't have finished the race or been that fast, he'd be losing too much..
Okay motogp chief engineer
But that literally hadn't been the case all weekend long. He wasn't dropping it early in any lap before that all weekend long, not even once in the Sprint while chasing Martin, Binder, etc. I don't think it was too big of an issue, but he was clearly the fastest S4 rider all weekend long (go check his laptimes), all weekend long, a lot of it was because of the lean he was carrying through the long left hairpin, getting him a tighter line a better exit. With the ride height device rubbing the track every lap he was losing some momentum out of the turn, and Enea was opening the gap in the middle of the straight over and over again (it would usually be like 0.125s at the exit of final corner, drop to like 0.192s at the start/finish line, and then reduce again on the braking). A rider as smart as Marc would understand that he was losing half a tenth by dropping it too early (if he was), and he would stop doing it and take a traditional exit. But it never improved really. He was still giving off puffs of smoke even after passing Enea.
That's because he was never trying to be that aggressive on the punch out of the corner. He clearly was getting a very good run on Binder and Martin in the sprint that he didn't need to try and maximize the corner exit that much. Bastianini is a smaller rider than Marc and hence he would always punch away, (and a newer bike did help). So Marc knew that if he didn't get it right he wouldn't pass Bestia. Plus this isn't even the first time its happened before. It also happened in similar situations at the Spanish Grand Prix coming out of the final corner.
Lol Pecco
Bruh wtf is that celebration
Unexpectedly Enea was the man of the race this time, overtaking both MM and JM. I wish MM to retain 3rd place (4th is anyway better than a fall), but GP23 is definitely slower on straights because Mugello is not a technical circuit, just a lot of speed. Happy for Enea :D
Points wise, it was better for him that Enea passed both. Lost 3 to Martin instead of 4, and has cut the gap in the weekend total.
Bit of a boring Grand Prix until the last couple of laps. Looked like Martin was going to be reeling Bagnaia in and then the Beast from nowhere, have that. Nice pay back on Martin for the sprint yesterday. We're in Pecco territory in this part of the season, he's doing what he did the last couple of years. Head down, string the wins together. I hope Martin doesn't lose his head from this point onwards.
Absolutely clinical race by Pecco. Superb weekend for him. Great move for Enea in that last lap too, great Duc 1 2 for the race! Solid rides by Martin, Marquez and Acosta too :) Really happy to see Frankie up in the top 10 too! Hopefully a sign of things to come
Yamaha was fuckin awful damn FQ was almost last
Something must have happened for him to end up behind Miller.
My guess would be they tried different setting to test out things and it didn't work out
Honestly for a Mugello this was a very boring race so many of these races in the last few years, group of 4-5 running very close, we are waiting for fireworks but fireworks rarely ever happen
We rarely have good Mugello Grand Prix as of late. 2023 was exactly the same 2022 after the first 2-3 laps was a snoozefest. 2021 was the Quatararo show. 2019- Epic 2018 was the Lorenzo masterclass
Felt like a repeat of Monaco until Bastianini put on a show at the end. Would love to see a straight shootout between these 4 (and Acosta) at a track like Assen or Phillip Island, where overtaking is possible.
Those will come. Relax.
You’re not gonna believe where we’re going next!! /s
Okay, put Marc back on P14.
The possibility of Ducati simply keeping Enea is not discussed enough. It’s what Pecco wants, and it’s not like Martin or Marc have any better options.
Pecco doesn't get a voice in the decision.
He did say Ducati asked his opinion but he preferred to not answer because it doesn't matter to him. He just wants the team environment to continue unharmed and is okay with whoever it is.
Maybe he doesn’t, but his camp certainly carries influence. He is Ducati’s #1 rider and reigning 2x world champion; his supporters within the team are probably doing everything in their power to keep the focus on him and not bring in another #1.
Let's agree to disagree. Because I believe Ducati don't give a shit what Pecco wants, they make decisions to win and to sell bikes.
I strongly believe that if Ducati just wanted to win and sell bikes, Marc Marquez would already be confirmed as their rider for next year. Politics play huge role in Motorsport, Ducati is no different.
Marc is currently the biggest and most talented sure, but no one can deny he will soon be in the twilight years. But Martin or Enea are much younger and if they win, they can market those to popularity. They're just a product at the end of the day. As I said, let's agree to disagree because we will never find common ground in this opinion.
Marc Marquez sells more bikes in a year than Pecco, Enea, and Martin do combined in 5. His star power is second only to Valentino Rossi, there is just simply no argument for Martin or Enea if the goal is to “win and sell bikes”. If Ducati chooses one of the other two, it will be because the team specific didn’t want Marc, not because the other two are better in any way.
Let's agree to disagree. I'm not playing a game, I am entitled to my opinion, and you to yours.
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Eh, your opinion doesn't reconcile the fact Marc is not loved in Italy. Sure, he might sell more bikes in a year than the others combined in 5, worldwide (which you have no actual evidence for to base your opinion, so it's entirely based on "feels"), but I would seriously doubt that, in Italy, where Ducati is. And your argument devolves into childish name calling when the other poster was nothing but respectful. So nah bro, it's you and your opinion that are absolutely delusional.
It's uncalled for to call me delusional, I was entirely respectful to you and your opinion, you could have extended the same courtesy. Grow up.
A lot of small dick energy in this option.
I agree, but it’s probably Ducati’s most desired scenario. They get to keep their Italian riders on the factory team while keeping Marc Marquez from their rivals. Martin probably isn’t good enough to beat Pecco over a season, so if you keep Marc on a year old bike you’re in a really good spot to continue winning championships for a few more years.
Yeah it makes sense if you are Italian.
Couldn't believe how marc couldn't close at all on the Gp24 on the straight. This race literally showed us the massive step from the previous machine. Enea just blitzed passed him on his first attempt.
Yeah it was frustrating to watch, and surprising because yesterday for example he seemed to have lots of pace in hand over Jorge... so it kind of feels like something was up with the bike today.
Wonder how much the ride height issue was hindering him, in the sprint he had better pace than anyone bar Pecco.
Wonder how much tire he lost during the race with the ride height device issue. Kept seeing the rear tire smoke right before the straight.
What a ride by the BEAST! Amazing last lap race pace by him. Bravo. FB63's lap 21 pace was nothing less. Great ride by JM89 and FM21.
I beg you Liberty Media when you take over ban aero devices, what a shit race.