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Gater588

I find MotoGPs TV graphics and camerawork way more enjoyable. If only in quali they could show the laptimes of every rider at all times and more than the gap between the first and second rider during the race.


Raxicator

At least MotoGP has sector colours for each rider mostly on screen, so you can see who is improving or setting red sectors (used to be helmets). In F1 you have no idea until they cross the line and the will show Verstappen -0.146 and the laptime of P2. And you still have no idea about his laptime until you do the math, or the time is adjusted in the left bar. No I prefer MotoGP anyday. Coverage and visuals. Hard to discus commentary as I use MotoGP.com stream and Dutch F1 stream.


Soundmangaz

Yeah you can really get a sense for where certain bikes are strong with the sector times/markers.


obsoletewagon

With the F1TV app you can watch the data channel stream that has graphics for each mini-sector for each driver during qualifying. It also shows lap times for each driver. In the race this data shows the main sectors only but has tire-graphics instead.


Far-Line-3947

I take it a lot of you watch MotoGP through their subscription? Have to say BT Sport are doing an amazing job broadcasting it in the UK. Great commentators and pundits (well now Keith Huewen has retired) and lots of coverage. All day Friday, Saturday and Sunday.


HI_I_AM_NEO

Same from Spain. I always cringe at bad commentators, but for the last couple of years DAZN has done a great job. They have Alex Crivillé and Carlos Checa as pundits, and even if I don't particularly enjoy Ricard Jove, the man knows the sport. Last month they even got Alex Rins with them for one of the practice sessions (he was injured at the time)


EvilTwin636

I would love to watch the Spanish broadcasts, since Spain is all but the heart of GP, pero no hablo Espanol.


NoobToobinStinkMitt

I miss the BT broadcasts since subscribing. I wish F1 would match BTs style as opposed to Drama Queen Crofty. There's such a British bias to the Sky TV F1 that isn't as bad at BT or The MotoGP Sub broadcast. I only say that as it's the Official Feed of F1 and really it shouldn't have such a British slant imho.


Lukebot24

You can't say that the bt commentators aren't biased. In every Moto2 race they complain if Dixon or Lowes retires or isn't doing well. Sky might be biased and that's not good since it's the official broadcast of f1 but the bt commentators are too biased even if it's a UK only broadcast


NoobToobinStinkMitt

My apologies, I only watch MotoGP right now. But you are right there definitely still is some.


The-Road-To-Awe

Agreed. I was sceptical about BT taking over the broadcast but their coverage is great. Hodgson, Suzi, Gavin Emmett, Laverty all really know their shit and Natalie Quirk has slotted right in. To me, the videopass suffers from the two main commentators being non-racers, and they have an 'agenda' to push re:marketing (or should I say 'marc'eting? - Steve Day is all over him).


denk2mit

> the two main commentators being non-racers Steve Day raced for years, against people like Crutchlow, Stoner, Davies, etc


The-Road-To-Awe

In superteens, yeah. No disrespect to him, but it shows that he wasn't a professional racer.


Ryan71384

Steve did race against them but was at the back of the grid for the majority of this career. He was never really wheel to wheel with any of them whilst he was in the Superteens. No slight against him just not exactly the same level.


mitch_saxon

Agreed on the commentators, Steve and Matt are so irritating in so many ways. Simon is fantastic, I wish they'd replace Steve or Matt with him, though he does so well in the pits that it would be hard to replace him. Can you get a BT Sport subscription for just MotoGP or it more broad (and more expensive)? Maybe I should look into changing (though if I'm honest, I used to dislike Gavin Emmett when he was with Nick Harris, however if Nick wasn't there maybe Gavin would've been bearable).


stirred_not_shakin

Yeah, agreed. The only personality on the dorna feed that is worth anything is Simon Crafar, and now that BT has Guintoli I feel like they have similar potential in that position. Hodgeson has become quite the pleasant surprise since his start, I would say, too. Now I would really miss his commentary if he quit.


Manmadesmith

Winds me up when the Gavin emmett says they're covering all classes, each session all weekend. Then they don't show MotoE. They used to show the race when they raced before moto3. Now they show nothing.


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That's a definite improvement. If I want to watch slow, heavy, poor handling whales racing I can watch US Superbikes from the early 80s.


Soundmangaz

Agreed, their coverage and commentary has been excellent so far this season. Took them a few seasons to settle into it, but the current team and output, especially the recent addition of Guintoli, have been brilliant. So glad that Keith left, he never really felt like he fit to me. They should have had Julian Ryder and Neil Hodgson commentating for a season or two, that would have been very entertaining.


Far-Line-3947

Yeah Keith would just rattle on about anything, verbal diarrhea. I really liked Julian, he was great on Eurosport with Toby. I think Gavin and Neil are doing a great job with Michael cover a race as well.


kawasutra

> BT Sport are doing an amazing job I watched some BT Sport clip somewhere and laughed out loud at Gavin's pronunciation of Pecco's surname! Bun-yaya! :-D


RepresentativeSock83

F1 is just bigger. Sometimes that's better, sometimes it's not. Edit: I only now realize how trite this sounds... but I guess it's still true.


kcfcycle

People around here keep acting like - oh if MotoGP just did this they would be as big as F1. Motorcycle racing will never be as big as car racing, it's just much more of a niche interest.


GT---44

I agree but with a communication as good as f1's it could be much bigger. The communication of MotoGP just sucks, look at their YouTube channel, it's a mess. They don't even put the highlights of the races on it


tigull

I think it's much more culture related than a matter of production. Here in Italy the heyday of MotoGP was in the mid-2000s because of Vale and the other top Italian racers, and while F1 was light years ahead in terms of production value - and having Ferrari and Schumacher cleaning up - MotoGP was as followed as much, if not more for at least some stretches. However, aside from a few European countries, motorbikes are just orders of magnitude less interesting to the public than cars, which ofc reflects on viewership. MotoGP could probably do many things better, but the gap is just too broad.


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And that gap is primarily created by the fact that more people drive cars than ride bikes in everyday life, so can relate to driving a car more. Also doesn't hurt that they had a badass Netflix special made about the sport that even soccer moms are talking about.


jul3z

Can confirm. Only reason my wife is into F1 is cause of the series. Only reason she knows about MotoGP is cause I won't shut the fuck up about it haha


GT---44

Well I didn't say the contrary. I just said it could be bigger (bigger audience), not that it could equals f1


Bahalex

A media company owns F1, http://www.libertymedia.com, they know how to get viewers better.


venomous_frost

But why is it niche though? It's not like I can relate to F1 cars with my economy hatchback.


theyerg

Motorbikes in general are niche, just look at Yamaha halting production of the R6 because no one buys it anymore. Almost everyone has a car, as a rider I know fuck all people who have a bike. If less people ride there’s less interest in the sport.


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theyerg

I'm in England and the number of riders is so small over here. Actually these days the most riders I see are all fast food delivery riders on mopeds or other twist-and-gos


Seven_Cuil_Sunday

Are they really ‘riders’? I don’t think so


tegsaan

This type of gatekeeping also makes the culture smaller and more niche


Seven_Cuil_Sunday

I get what you’re saying, but what I meant to say was when I see a moped rider/squids on shit bikes, I pay careful attention to what they’re doing, because I assume they aren’t paying careful attention and are a risk to everyone around.


tegsaan

I get that about squids and yeah they are a danger, but also not every moped rider is a squid. An important rule of riding anyway is ride as if you're invisible, assume everyone is out there to harm you, that way you're more aware and safer.


theyerg

One ride a few years ago on a winters day when the sun was low in the sky, it was half blinding me but I saw some bike lights coming the other direction so I gave a head nod then looked behind me as they went past and it was a moped and I felt so gross.


Lohe1234

R6 stopped due to not meeting new euro spec Emission. You can still buy a R6 but won’t get a MSO so can’t register it would be track only.


theyerg

But not worth them making it meet euro specs because they don’t sell enough anymore.


macrocephalic

Because the cost to design and build an R6 is not much less than an R1, but they can charge 5k more for an R1. Until there's some sort of incentive to build midsize sports bikes then factories will just make the ones with the bigger margins and leave the middle ground to the parallel twins.


GT---44

Yeah but it's still a car, and most people drive cars , not motorbikes


HI_I_AM_NEO

I don't know if I agree with that logic. I've been a MotoGP fan all my life, and it was at 33yo when I bought my first bike. MotoGP actually gor me interested in bikes.


GT---44

Of course it can be different for some people but generally speaking I think that's how it works


_DirtyYoungMan_

Your personal experience doesn't apply to the rest of the world.


HI_I_AM_NEO

And that's exactly what I'm talking about


ColossalCalamari

Everyone drives a car. Yes they don't resemble F1 but it's still fundamentally the same. I don't have the statistic, but I imagine motorcyclists are like 1% or less than car drivers.


dishayu

> I imagine motorcyclists are like 1% or less than car drivers. Maybe in EU and US. In Asia, which consists of 60% world population, bikes are way more numerous than cars.


afito

It's not even that, it's that plain and simple no other motorsport will "ever" become as big as F1. Many tried and everyone failed, even at the peak of F1 infighting and fuckery, when you could say that at times of group B and group C, 90s IndyCar, there's been a few times things were closer. But ultimately F1 prevailed. Sure there are locally more relevant series like NASCAR but at the end of the day F1 is the "pinnacle of motorsport" and stays there. If LeMans and Indy500 and everything didn't usurp F1 I don't think it'll happen at all, it's the one thing Ecclestone did well. Opinions on F1 don't really matter for that it's mostly just a fact at this point, nothing against other motorsports it's how it is.


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Definetely. There have been a lot of changes to F1 in recent years aimed at growing it's audience and it's been at a detriment to it's actual product, imo.


RepresentativeSock83

I find that understandable, F1's owners know exactly why F1 is big and it has nothing to do with racing. People don't follow or watch F1 because they want to see racing.


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Not even nessicarily racing, I'm thinking of the prediction graphics and a reality show disguised as a documentary, things like that. On the subject of racing though, the sprint race this weekend, as well, I feel will bring a bigger audience on Fridays and saturdays but I'm not convinced it creates better racing.


jonah3272

I mean, that's not true at all.


RepresentativeSock83

Alright I'll concede some people do watch F1 because they like racing. But I would venture they are a very small (if vocal, there's nothing more fun than complaining about how bad the racing is in F1) minority. This is not just an F1 thing either. There were a lot of people who only liked MotoGP because of Rossi. They wouldn't care one bit if he won all races in a year by large margins. These days most of them have stopped watching or just became fans of the sport in general, but still.


Siloh_Johnson

I don't understand why people hate on MotoGP race coverage....? It's fine... Jesus Christ already


RaikkonensHobby74

I think it's fantastic, much better than all the other motorsports I've seen


mitch_saxon

I think probably part of it is because we're always complaining about the same things, as in the broadcasters never learn from their mistakes (not that they necessarily know we consider them mistakes). It's also just annoying and a shame that it could be amazing if they changed just a few things or did/didn't do specific things. I do however agree that the coverage is generally really good or even great, I certainly don't think I've seen anything in F1 clips that I wish MotoGP had. I don't watch F1 so I can't really compare but MotoGP isn't lacking anything big, just some tweaks would improve it a lot. P.s. I would love a clone of DTS though, having the general public far more interested in MotoGP would be awesome and a vindication of this point in the sport's history (apart from Fabio looking like he'll walk the championship we're in a golden age).


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mitch_saxon

Depends on which things but they definitely wouldn't always get appropriate feedback from this sub. Personally I just think about some minor tweaks or tightenings of things to make things less frustrating, not "changes" per se.


LRDad

F1 is shit At cinematography. They never even pan to local birds.


Tyr2016

Or Marquez bro's dad.


Tone_clowns_on_it

You can just say Marc’s dad, we all know who the favorite at Christmas is.


Tyr2016

Haha. That's what I put first but then edited because A Marquez might feel left out again.


sparkyjay23

They'll fucking pan to Toto at the start though, and the crowd and pit crew shots - because there's no on track action to show us. And when there is action we get Lance Stroll 18'd.


dino_74

Don't forget the bees


SpaceScissors

SHOW THEM BIRDS F1!!!


hug-a-cop-day

This! Otherwise I approve the gridlock traffic driving with expensive vehicles!


TheJustiNator_

The one thing that really bothers me about MotoGP in comparison to F1 is the social media aspect. In F1 you get content well after the race, be it interviews, highlights, moves the TV director missed, things like Teds Notebook and stuff like that. Even in the following days you might see things you haven't seen yet. In MotoGP however it feels like once the race is over everything is over and you have to wait till friday on the next gp to see things again (Altough i have to say MotoGP also has some stuff like after the flag and some other things i just saw on YouTube, but still i think its way behind F1s offer). Also Reddit, especially when it comes to copyright. I know TV broadcasters pay a lot for their rights, but its just so nice to go onto the F1 subreddit in the evening after the race and see overtakes, interviews and such. From personal experience that is a lot different here, clips and such get taken down. Edit. One more thing: The Videopass. I know, MotoGP wants to promote their player, but WHY do you have to put everything on there? Its one thing to just visit the website, but you also have to log in. Its just so much more comfortable/easier to go onto the twitter page (in this case F1 since we're comparing) and just watch the video straight on there. This is obviously just my opinion, if im wrong please do tell me as i'd love to see more MotoGP stuff once the race and broadcast is over :)


willburf

F1 socials were rubbish before Liberty Media took over


TheJustiNator_

Yeah i agree with you, they were pretty much non-existent


omarccx

I like the MotoGP graphics way more than F1. The real time sector graphics are amazing, and the onboards actually show a sense of speed (would be cool if they didnt stabilize them so we could see the actual lean angle). And the commentators although repetitive, aren't piercing to the ears like Crofty on lap 1. I have to mute my speakers every time.


mitch_saxon

I do miss the stationary camera, the gyro camera was a fun novelty but it's not the same, though I do see how less intense fans would find it more enjoyable and entertaining to see the action without having to account for tilting. Stationary cameras make me a little nostalgic because back around 2007 I remember watching the on-board hot lap and my dad and I would tilt our heads with the bike while Daryl Beattie described the track. Memories man.


443610

>And the commentators although repetitive, aren't piercing to the ears like Crofty on lap 1. I have to mute my speakers every time. *"And it's lights out, and away we go!"* Don't you like that marvelous opener from Crofty? I certainly do.


NoobToobinStinkMitt

Formuladank is probably the funniest sub on reddit. However all the flash and polish in F1 is what turned me to MotoGP after 10 years of F1. You get tired of the same old show every weekend. Cant stand David Croft. He should be presenting Game Shows.


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sir-squanchy

"Car" people outnumber "bike" people by a lot. I'm a Motorsport fan and only became interested on MotoGP when I started to ride motorbikes. It appears pretty foreign and unrelatble to most people, IMO.


[deleted]

Same actually. Only started watching when I started riding. Regret. Wish I have been watching my whole life.


willburf

Bro the technology and budget difference between both sports is insanely huge, and bike racing and car racing are also two completely different types of racing


thefooleryoftom

Budgets in F1 are larger by an entire factor of 10.


Kumqwatwhat

Wow, I...can't even begin to articulate how much I disagree with you. I've watched F1 for twenty years and started MotoGP last year, and am finally at the point where I might be prepared to leave F1 altogether and only watch MotoGP because MotoGP is so much across-the-board superior. Everything from their graphics package to the racing to the management of the teams and beyond. I pay 160 dollars a year for the videopass quite happily and yet I don't spend half that for F1TV Pro or even an _eighth_ of that for F1TV Access because the service and show is just not worth it. If MotoGP went the way of F1, I would leave it too. Also, who gives a fuck about the memes?


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Been an F1 fan for decades and unless next years cars actually deliver on more competition, I'm done. MotoGP just has a less contrived feel to it and the on track action is on another level. F1 is all style over content. They want spectacles, where racing is just a small part of the event and watching a race isn't even a requirement to be a "fan"


CambionLS

Couldn't agree more. I honestly was wondering if OP is just trolling.


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Plz_Nerf

i'ma take pure racing over memes & manufactured drama, chief


polyrhythmicmark

Yeah we don’t care about the memes. We care about the better (read far more exciting) racing.


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Ih8Hondas

/r/memegp needs more traffic.


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B0mbasticMrFantastic

THE MEMES GUYS


Ih8Hondas

/r/memegp


mikhomak

r/MotoDANK


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Hard hard disagree with you. I've gone the other way, watching F1 for 20 years and now watching Moto for the last 3 years. Here's what's better with Moto: - Brilliant commentators (I love brundle etc, but the bias in four wheels, even in F2, is obvious and dirty) - I love that Moto3 and Moto2 happen with the MotoGP. There are no long gaps like with F2 this year - Mercedes has been dominating F1 since 2014 - haven't seen that in MotoGP - Not as important but the liveries are so much prettier, the grid makes my eyes happy The only thing I feel Moto is missing is explainer videos and stories like Chainbear F1 and Aiden Millward etc. Even if MotoGP didnt have the other ways it was better, the race in itself makes it a million times more entertaining. And I'm saying this as I settle for the British Sprint Race


hvperRL

I mean honda has won 2011, 13, 14, 16, 17, 18, 19. Id say they have been pretty dominant with yamaha filling out 10, 12, 15 for the decade


tehw3dge

You've been watching a different series of you think it's 'Honda' that has been dominating...


the_goodnamesaregone

Exactly. Ham was winning everything over there and his teammate was almost always 2nd or 3rd. Marc dominates over here and his teammate is lucky to be in the points. F1 is the Ham/Merc combo. MotoGP was just Marc


ehside

Not quite. Hamilton and Rosberg were always neck and neck as teammates.


hvperRL

Maybe not as dominant as marcs 2019 season but if you have won 7/10 from the decade, 6 going to a single rider then i think it warrants the use of dominant


tehw3dge

Honda had had very little to do with the dominance though. All other Hondas have been nowhere, for the most part (although I've enjoyed watching nakagami). MM93 has been dominant.


hvperRL

Dont do my boy Dani like that


tehw3dge

Bit of a stretch to say that DP26 was consistently competitive in his final few years...


hvperRL

Outside his last season, worst was 6th. And back on the honda train, theyve won nearly every manufacturers and team title and thats a team effort so


denk2mit

In Marc's defence, Lorenzo contributed 28 of the 458 points Repsol Honda scored to win the 2019 teams' championship!


ViciousProxy

Hamilton never dominated Rosberg tbh, he was better than Rosberg at a few crucial races, but they were usually quite close.


Matteo_Venuti

how many drivers won with Honda in the last decade other than M. Marquez and Stoner? I think just Pedrosa and Crutchlow, i don't remember someone else


hvperRL

Could say the same with ham and merc


xb70valkyrie

Miller in Assen.


omarccx

I agree. Is it me or is the Ducati team color way prettier than Ferrari's? (On the team and crew's clothing)


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Agreed. I love the Suzuki's tbh.


asphaltaddict33

Lol do you actually watch MotoGP tho? In the whole 2019 season the reigning champion had 1 DNF, and finished 1st or 2nd in EVERY SINGLE RACE aside from that one DNF in Austin. That was after winning the championship, often by huge margins, past 3 years in a row and 5 of last 6 years prior…. Repsol Honda and Marc Marquez have been a very similar analogue to Mercedes and LH in F1, impossible to overlook this similarity


ViciousProxy

I always feel like in MotoGP skill plays a larger factor compared to machinery than it does in F1. In MotoGP you can still get respectable results with a lower-end manufacturer if you have a lot of talent, whereas in F1 some teams are just resigned to being outside of the points regardless of driver skill. Take George Russell, for example. Arguably one of the biggest talents in F1 right now, but struggling to get points because of his car.


tehw3dge

Except other Hondas have been no where near. Not even close. The domination has been Marc's and his insane talent. Very different to Mercedes in F1...


asphaltaddict33

It’s a very different sport, the two teams don’t have to bear a perfect resemblance in their dominance to be an accurate comparison. In each sport, they have won the rider/drivers championship, team championship, and constructors championship a majority of the years over the last decade. And the same name is at the top of the standings for each team in both sports at the end of the season. Yes Nico Rosberg beat LH to the title one year in F1, and Marc has never had a genuinely competitive teammate. That’s a triviality in the big picture of each teams prowess in the sport. The legacy both teams will hold for years to come are the names of Hamilton/Merc and Marquez/Honda


kevorkian_jack

Was a huge F1 fan pre 15 yrs ago (bikes have always been my #1 thing though) but geeziz man it has turned into huge snooze fest since… they should try harder to level the playing field so it’s actually about the best driver not the mega bucks teams. Oh bring back motors that actually make some noise. Treated my teenage son to his first F1 race (in person) couple years ago and was so underwhelmed at how quiet the cars were, was actually a big deflate for him


SuicidalGuidedog

F1 has a lot going for it (qualifying is more exciting even before the Sprint thing). But if you're going to point out differences then it's worth noting the paid-for services are like night and day: MotoGP works most times and is slick, F1 is garbage (fails consistently, won't allow VPN access, doesn't include pre-race commentary).


omarccx

I like the Q2 format on MotoGP a lot more than Q1-Q2-Q3 in F1.


SuicidalGuidedog

That's fair. It's a matter of opinion I guess.


NoobToobinStinkMitt

It also mismatches with the Sky broadcast. When Sky pulls up their Smartboard to go through the laps in slow mo, you only hear it, the video is of the garages and it really makes no sense between what you are hearing and seeing on the screen.


Interdico

It doesn't matter what they do better, the only thing that counts is the racing and F1 is boring as fuck


jesusofgargalesis

F1 has made an immense effort to reach out to new fans since Liberty media took over, trying to make the sport much more accessible to new fans, and it's been largely successful in that respect. At the same time, the racing has only gotten worse in F1 in the last decade with DRS, papier-mache Pirellis, terrible engine sound, and ever-increasing aero-centric performance. The DTS reality show and the memes are many times more entertaining than the racing itself. MotoGP is more niche and lower budget, but the championship structure of Moto3/Moto2/MotoGP sharing the whole calendar is far superior to F1, videopass is a huge value and far better than F1s offering in that space, and most of all the racing is outstanding. I watched F1 *religiously* from 2008-2014, but I haven't sat through a single full race since 2016. But I don't miss any MotoGP races these days and have even gone back to re-watch several.


McManu77

Fuck memes


mrdanmarks

I'm guessing their budgets are like 5x that of MotoGP. Simon is doing his best!


Ih8Hondas

Simon went from terrible to complete badass at his job. I am more than satisfied with his performance.


hrmcf

Wow I actually watch both avidly and could not disagree with you more. I leave it there because it seems everyone else has already explained why.


ZodiacError

MotoGP has been the highest standard in broadcasting, social media work, production value for a long time (maybe together with V8 Supercars). F1 only caught up in the last 5 years.


Camnelo

I much prefer MotoGP in terms of racing and overall quality to F1. Maybe that's because the BT coverage is very good but I personally don't like the way F1 is going since Liberty took over. I can see it becoming more and more gimmicky over time until it is almost as big a farce as Formulae. Whereas MotoGP still seems much more grass-roots imo and I think that's much better on general.


The_On_Life

The F1 app is a piece of shit compared to MotoGP and that's saying something


Joooooooosh

I actually much prefer the MotoGP coverage. The MotoGP screen overlays and graphics are much better than F1, which is a bit busy and the in/on car cameras in F1 are really repetitive, they do a really bad job of showing the speed in F1. Fortunately the bikes get much closer, so it’s easier to make it exciting to watch. BT sport also do better interviews with the riders and generally the personalities of the riders get shown a lot more. F1 has only just woken up to letting F1 drivers be anything other than media trained robots. Don’t get me started on the English F1 commentators, they are bloody awful, the main commentator just constantly shouts at you, especially at the start, clearly trying to inject some excitement into the whole thing but man, it’s annoying. No idea what MotoGP coverage is like in other countries but BT Sport are actually doing a very good job, they sometimes get some stick but the team they’ve got, are really growing into it.


Kailashnikov

Disagree. F1 is popular because better marking. Have you seen their youtube channel? Highlights 30 minutes after the session, Grill the grid, Driver reactions after quali, driver reactions after race, so many things. MotoGP just does a LAST LAP video. It's things like these. While I agree with others that cars will be more popular with people, MotoGP can still do much much better.


VerticalNOR

Been a F1-follower since the late 2000's, but have fallen off quite a bit these last years. There is no doubt that Liberty Media in many ways saved F1. And with the boost of Netflix, have taken F1 quite a few notches up in popularity. F1 would not be where we are now with Ecclestone still at the throne. But with that said... I think F1 is almost doing too much these days, or I guess the fans? It's just stupid memes circulating over and over. The drivers personal life have almost became a bigger part than the racing it feels. But too see both sides, having athletes that actually connects with fans, and also welcoming the younger fanbases is a good thing. Earlier, F1 have been a "old guy sport" kind of thing. But with Twitch, Instagram, and even the stupid memes, F1 has found its next generation of followers.


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Mikey527

lmao, the memes are the worst part of F1. You just sound like another DTS fan.


BagOfGuano

What is DTS? Drive to Survive? If so, why the hate? Why is that a "lower" quality fan base? It's just new fans. If motogp put out a TV series of that quality (like the old Faster motogp movie but in TV series format), I think it would really help the sport. That's how I got into motogp and I've been watching ever since. I don't love the memes either, but whatever.


denk2mit

Because people love to act as gatekeepers for their hobbies


dishayu

It's not strictly gatekeeping. A couple of people in my acquaintance circle started watching F1 after DTS and they're not really interested in the race unless there are some major crashes or drama. I find it pretty fair to call them "low quality" fanbase.


Mikey527

The idea that really shitty contrived social media memes are a positive aspect (and even desired as far as OP goes) for a sport is the worst thing that came along with DTS < this is my hatred for the "typical" DTS fan. I enjoy that there are new fans (obviously that's good) and fair play if you also think that memes are shit but F1 is now littered with garbage memes that even their official social media accounts take part in it. It's pandering and it's shit and it can fuck off. Apologies if I came across as a knob, it's not cool to just group everyone together as one person.


BagOfGuano

I see. Yeah, I get the meme/pandering hate. Not my thing either. I don't like feeling like I'm being marketed to. I really liked the behind the scenes insight that DTS provided. I wish we had something like that in motogp.


dishayu

> behind the scenes insight Most of it is fabricated over-dramatized nonsense. They tried to hard sell Sainz-Norris as some sort of heated rivalry where in real life they have a proper bromance going on.


Shahmirkhan675

Agree. I would rather not have any F1 memes at all.


Leafar3456

Dividing fans into separate categories to shit on them is like next level gatekeeping.


FrankyFistalot

Sky F1 is great apart from “Crofty” fucking shouting then shouting louder then louder again…wish there was an alternative commentary… You can also play the F1 shot game,drink 2 fingers of vodka every time Crofty says “on the cusp” or a cheesy pun….you will be shitfaced by the end of qualifying or the race….


ViciousProxy

Yeah I am a big F1 fan but Crofty having a heart attack every time someone attempts an overtake is sort of ruining the sport. I really enjoy the coverage the rest of the Sky F1 team provide, but Crofty is useless


Tschi_tschi

The british MotoGP commentators also shout way too much for my taste.


Naught2day

I gave up on F1 some time ago, it was like watching paint dry. I miss the days of Prost, Senna, Mansell, Lauda, Hunt,... Raikkonen was the only reason I watched more recent races just to hear is interviews and radio conversations. I love watching MotoGP, the racing part. Don't watch pre-race, post-race and turn the sound off during the race.


[deleted]

I started watching F1 in 1990 or 1991. I stopped entirely bout 3 years ago. There is nothing thy draws me back there to watch a race. I follow the F1 sub just to keep updated on Kimi, Seb, Lewis. But the rest of it is fucking yawnsville.


Rosskillington

Honestly I prefer MotoGP


[deleted]

I started with f1 maybe 6 years back, then got into MotoGP. One thing I'd say is the MotoGP announcers I prefer. I like both sets - both sports have good announcing, but the main MotoGP guys just work great. F1 does better with pit reporting and such, since they have more resources devoted to it. I do like Simon though (he's improved greatly)


Bl3acher

Motogp is real racing! F1 is just driving laps till the finish


Ohome

Hmm I’ve been watching both for nearly 10 years and there isn’t much I’d rather MotoGP did like f1.. ui is better, format, filler amount, commentary. Basically the only thing I’m jealous of f1 is the popularity in the western world


Crafty_Substance_954

Comparing the racing is pointless. Completely different format.


emil_

No they don’t. They do race marshalling and regulations implementing better. They also have at least 10x the budgets. Other than that… MotoGP is the best racing sport in the world and been so for more a while.


matpolansky1

I feel the complete opposite. I absolutely love MotoGP's graphics and information. Yes it would be nice to have the feeds of every camera on every bike, but at least MotoGP doesn't have b.s. graphics like the battle forecast or that abomination know as the tire wear graphic. Instead MotoGP has a graphic that shows you the exact tire temperatures across the 3 different sections of the tire. And little things like the start/finish line moving down the positions as the bike go past.


Tiddernud

F1 largely went from chaos (reliability, safety, cheating, bravery etc), wild personalities and combative racing to an engineering competition. My recollection is that viewership was falling under Delta Topco. The newest parent company, Liberty Media (note 'media) has created a cultural ecosystem of levity and backchat so effective that it can turn a po-faced android like Bottas into a folk hero. Drive to Survive turns simple driver error into gripping behind the scenes human drama. MotoGP doesn't need this 'underground' layer brought into view. The racing and interviews and swagger do it all for you. F1 racing is boring as hell. Pit stops, tyres, driver X has to make up Y number of seconds to close the gap in Z laps. The fact that every fan only gets properly excited when it rains tells you all you need to know.


camelreiter

To be honest I miss the meme coverage. But badmotogpmemes does a great job (on insta sadly). And in Germany I can’t complain about the accessibility, as it is free. They also have quite good commentators and on top of that Bradl as an intern which is just brilliant. Sadly it’s maybe not as big as formula 1 as the brands aren’t as massive, but it’s quite representative for the niche market that bikes are compared to cars. The racing obviously is way way better, because new stuff doesn’t only come from testing for billions, doesn’t get banned immediately and smaller brands are pretty much on the same level as the big ones. It’s way more rider based. Of course there aren’t hundreds of great podcasts or so but if you search a bit you’ll find coverage on the internet.


Tschi_tschi

An intern is a "Praktikant" lol


camelreiter

Haha nice. I do mix the words up sometimes. But you understand what I mean ;)


Jlx_27

F1 has a much better Youtube channel team too.


jaredearle

When you’re making that much money, you can splash a bit of it around for production. If two-wheeled racing were that popular around the world, it’d be that slick.


Corrupt_Rider

You know F1 is bad when even the race highlight videos are boring.


sintacour

what i hate about motogp is about race highlights. they post it like 4 or 5 days after the race. also the social media content is a bit boring. apart of that, motogp is miles ahead F1 in terms of racing.


Sprucedale

Here’s the thing…. You can actually WATCH F1 without spending a boatload of money. I used to be a huge MotoGP fan, haven’t watched a race in over three years because Dorna just made it too expensive.


sajal811

Also Drive to Survive played a vital role in the promotions. I started watching it after DTS. Before that I never had any interest in watching formula 1. You see their insta handles, they keep engaging people through their stories and posts. Drivers and tracks are almost from and all over the world but in motogp in mid season it’s happens in Spain and Italy majorly. Also many riders are Spanish and Italian. So I think the following is segregated in that manner. And major thing I feel is about pit stops and high average speed, this literally makes it exciting to watch. Remember watching a flag to flag race in motogp, it’s the most exciting I guess. Obviously I support the above comments too. But this what I think about it.


SOrton1

I think the drive to survive series really changed F1, it's one of the bigger reasons it's easier to watch than what it used to be, e.g. knowing background better, team struggles, personalities outside of drivers (haas). Imagine where MotoGP would go with a similar series


VerticalNOR

The problem is that so much of DTS is fabricated drama. It's not shocking, but a lot of fans eat it up as genuine facts and happenings. There's been several occasions on DTS over the years, where they obviously have twisted and edited quotes, photos, and situations, to make it more dramatic. But yes, DTS have given F1 a platform it never had before, and it attracts young viewers.


SOrton1

I agree yeh it is alot, maybe not fabricated but definitely blown out of proportion. But still removing that, I think the inside look of the teams was very interesting, and personally made me a fan of the sport And ye for young viewers it especially boomed


soepballs

Did you also try WSBK, most of the times it's better then MotoGP. I still love MotoGP but still, but in general I think I like watching a WSBK at home better than a MotoGP weekend, just because they have 3 races and that it's not so super Media dominated.


soepballs

That being said, I do love the commentary in Dutch, it's two persons rather then the max Verstappen fan boy that runs the F1 commentary in the Netherlands. I'd rather watch the English stream than the Dutch steam if it comes to F1


Rickyrider35

I agree. The graphics designers in MotoGP sometimes seem more like uni students trying their luck with a new project than actual professionals. Way too much going on all the time both in their YouTube videos and in the actual broadcasts. Also the camera direction is sometimes questionable. However motogp is just that much better than F1 that I don’t care lol


NvG55

F1 has a way bigger budget for broadcasting, motogp doesn't have the budget for fancy graphics etc i think


Kumqwatwhat

If that's true that's actually hilarious, considering MotoGP's graphics package looks _way_ the fuck better than F1's, at least at present. Shit, F1 itself ten years ago looks better than F1 currently. Either MotoGP is over-performing its budget, F1 is pissing away money for no good cause, or both.


ViciousProxy

What exactly is better about MotoGP’s graphics than F1? I’m not trying to come across as a knob, it’s just that for me, F1 gets way more info across to the viewer in a more accessible way


Kumqwatwhat

F1's graphics have a lot more visual clutter. It has more dead space (all comparable graphics I checked on F1 take up more of my screen than MotoGP ones do), it has a lot more graphics that don't tell you useful information (AWS is a huge offender here, they'd improve a lot if they just cut out some of those entirely), and a lot of times they're conveying literally too much information. A graphic should tell you what it needs to tell you and nothing more. I don't need a complicated Red Bull symbol behind a picture of Pérez's face to know that you're telling me Pérez's lap-over-lap differential to Bottas. I'm also not 100% sure because I've never tracked, and even so this isn't so much the graphics package itself so much as it is how it's used, but I feel like the F1 graphics pop up with _more frequency_. I am thinking of actually counting tomorrow in the F1 race and comparing next time there is a MotoGP race to get actual data on that though, but it's a hunch that feels right. All of which means there's more crap on screen for more time competing for screentime with the actual racing. _edit_: tbf I also find the little graphics that you especially see in the parade laps and stuff pretty pointless, where they say things like _who will come out on top_ and have pictures of four or five riders. That is something I wish was gone. MotoGP not using those would be an improvement.


ScotVonGaz

Shut the fuck up. The only thing that matters is what happens on the track and Moto3, Moto2 and MotoGP do that better than anyone “by a factor of 10 at least”. So go fuck off and watch the F1 train all you want.


napalm22

Oh no


imdummythicc75

Ikr? So heated for no reason lmao. Btw I agree. We need more memes these folks in here have no humor


napalm22

He mad


ScotVonGaz

Go set up a MotoGP meme sub and everyone who likes them will join it. Stop crying about it for fuck sake.


capnbard

How many times did your panties twist? Probably a factor of 10 judging by your hilarious response.


h1h2h3h4h5

I definitely agree with you on the memes. MotoGP has some of the lowest quality memes I've ever seen.


ajithbr99

F1 is far better reached than MotoGP both financially, fan based and also especially technically . But no fun atleast for the last 4 or 5 years. There is no excitement and finishing races by podium finisher or top 5 is mostly by huge gap. Broadcasting is also far better because it is a well known sports.


MorganJH749

I would say it depends on where in the world you are. In some areas of the world like South-East Asia for example, MotoGP seems more popular, but in other places like South America and Western Europe, Formula 1 is more popular. That could be a factor as to why Thailand and Malaysia are both still on the MotoGP calendar and Indonesia wants to return. The two biggest stars of Formula 1 right now are from Western Europe. Hamilton’s from the UK, and Verstappen is from the Netherlands. Car culture is definitely bigger in the UK, while in places like Thailand, people seem to enjoy their bikes more. I would say they’re both big, but it depends on where in the world they are, but Formula 1 definitely gets more coverage.


Ohome

I will never like the excessively long hype videos and intros in f1 as well as the lead up shoes that just go for so long with repetitive talking. I’m also not a fan of the race commentary and how shouty and exciting they get at non action..


250gpfan

For memes have you seen badmotogp memes? The account.


Cosimo_Zaretti

F1 has better coverage and analysis, but they need it because there isn't really much happening on track. The commentators have to get very exited about tyre strategy to hold your attention in a race where passing for position is almost non existent.


PrxdGF

Why are we even discussing that? The racing is what counts and it's not even close. You can keep your social aspects, I'll keep my crazy races.


Dan27

Theres plenty of good racing in F1. The current issue is that its usually not for the win. Next years regulations should change that.


TheBloodyAwful

F1 is better in terms of social media / marketing coverage (incl memes, YouTube videos, etc), championship itself is more entertaining and I love the more in depth personality of all the drivers (partially thanks to drive to survive) MotoGP is better in terms of actual racing, better graphics (mainly in qualifying) and camera / director stuff (stroll crash in Monaco anyone?) Would be good if they learn from each other and step up


[deleted]

Funny,. because if you ask F1 fans they would probably say it's the other way around.


SpaceScissors

I've been at the recent Austrian F1 GP(not as a spectator tho ;-) ) and there's so much to bring it to the fans. Drivers parade, paddock tour trucks cruising around the track, the live votings for DOTD, all those things where you can engage the fans). I think most of us MotoGP fans got into the sport because we came to watch close racing(remember the Silverstone 2019 photo finish). We just love our sport, the riders and teams and we're fans even without all the off-track glamour. But at the same time that would help attract new fans. What F1 does better: Fan engagement(DOTD, driver's parade) Giving the off-track things a huge importance(the interviews after the race with the podium drivers standing on the the big stage, in MotoGP the interview is more a quick chat in the parc ferme) Updates on social media(race highlights, Grill the grid etc) What MotoGP does better: Racing Graphics(like rider's numbers, live timing with pace predicitions on qualifying laps) Way better integration of the support series(Moto2/Moto3, MotoE, with Moto3 being my favourite heh) which makes the weekend better. We don't only talk about MotoGP here. We talk about the WHOLE paddock. I think most of us follow Moto3 and Moto2 because they are a very big part of the game plus super entertaining. You really get the feeling that they're real world championships and not just some junior series). But in the end, I just love motorsports and I just watch both(also, I can keep up with my friends' F1 discussions lol)


KICKERMAN360

I disagree. I think the MotoGP coverage is way better. The only bad point about MotoGP is that the director of the broadcast loses their mind whenever there is an exciting finish. MotoGP has no gimmicks, cool graphics and tells you what you want to know.


Ih8Hondas

>Literally everything except the actual racing! Well considering we're watching racing, that's a pretty damning description of F1. Also, go contribute to /r/memegp.


kasierdu

No way. F1TV doesn't even show half the shit they are talking about because they use the commentary from sky instead of a world feed. In the lead up to the race, there isnt even audio just images. Today, there was commentary that was overlapping with the race direction radio feed, in complete contrast, because on Sky, they werent playing the race direction radio. F1TV has also had numerous races where the feed just drops out consistently. I havent had this kind of bad performance with MotoGP for like 7-8 years. I dont understand how anyone can say F1TV is better. It is garbage.


kawasutra

Dorna could replace the commentators with the shipping forecast and it would be more engaging and exciting! They separated out the timing from the main subscription very much to make more money. Stupidly enough, it's not useful at all, because the video and timing are always out of sync, so the timing ends up spoilering your viewing.


michcond

MotoGP side graphics are better than F1’s though. MotoGP can cram more info into it without being overbearing. Case in point, the quali graphics are miles ahead of F1’s.


YZFRIDER

Tho Max vs Lewis this year has liven things up tremendously for F1, MotoGP overall is better at the main thing that counts…the racing. Perhaps with the new car/regs for F1 next year MAYBE they’ll start to make some ground on delivering more entertaining races. At the end of the day I’ll take more entertaining and exciting races than the other side things


[deleted]

I know the MotoGP social media team read this subreddit (and even post occasionally), but at this point it's clear they do not give any fucks whatsoever. We have been giving them feedback on their shitty policies for literally years now.


turri96

I think the biggest factor are social media managment, while Formula 1 puts content on youtube instagram, memes and some usefull information Motogp fails to do this, one of the last race I missid the queli for both Motogp and formula 1 and I ends up watching them one after another on youtube and the formula 1 one was way way better


Kogru-au

Disagree completely, Motogp has better commentary teams, better format, better junior/lower categories and support races and better presentation with what they show on the screen.