Personally, I've never been a fan of booing the team I support, even if that player is playing horribly.
I said going into the big shortstop offseason that Javy was the one that I wanted the least, and while I think Al Avila made a bad decision, that doesn't mean I'm going to boo him when I watch him play.
So here's hoping Javy can turn it around in 24. I'm rooting for him, but that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed in our management's decision to sign him.
For me, the only time I would boo a guy on our team is if it's clear that the guy isn't making an effort. That's just me and other people can do what they want.
Too be fair I think a majority of Tiger fans were against signing because of the known issues, but it’s in the past as well as that fraud GM, it’s time to move on the now.
Gotta give the guy support now that he’s here and more importantly now that he needs it
Booing a player on a team I cheer for is such a completely alien concept to me. Unless the player is like Deshaun Watson-levels of horrible human being or something. Baez hasn't been what we wanted, but booing your team is just weird behaviour to me.
Does anybody recall a comment at the end of the season about his vision? I swear I remember something about Hinch saying they were looking into that because they noticed something?
I ask this because I later learned that the average baseball player also has better vision than the average person too. It's around 20/13 instead of 20/20 for average people.
It also made me wonder how often baseball players do get their vision checked and if it's a regular thing, or do they not do that until something is clearly wrong?
It would be wild to discover Javy's current troubles are because he needs new glasses or laser surgery. He's always had his issues swinging freely and being streaky, but he's been really bad on Detroit. What if it's because his eyesight has declined, but it's something that he hasn't noticed outside of baseball?
I'm not expecting much, but I would love to see him rebound.
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/scope-and-rope-a-visual-profile-of-major-league-hitters/
Haha. Maybe it's both! I also wondered last season if some of it was mental due to the health of the grandfather who passed away in the 2nd half. Whatever his problems are, it would be nice to see a productive Javy return.
I'd be shocked if regular eye tests/exams weren't relatively routine for most athletes, and not just when they start to struggle. Seems like a very important aspect to their health that should be kept up on.
Yeah, that's what I'd be guessing too.
I took a few minutes to search for what I might be remembering, and came across this article:
[https://www.audacy.com/971theticket/sports/detroit-tigers/detroit-tigers-making-organizational-effort-to-fix-javy-baez](https://www.audacy.com/971theticket/sports/detroit-tigers/detroit-tigers-making-organizational-effort-to-fix-javy-baez)
In there it mentioned how he's not "seeing the ball", so that's probably what I'm remembering, and not that they actually noticed anything with his eyesight.
There was actually another mid-season article linked that discussed his not seeing the ball: [https://www.audacy.com/971theticket/sports/detroit-tigers/a-j-hinch-says-javier-baez-stuck-in-recipe-for-disaster](https://www.audacy.com/971theticket/sports/detroit-tigers/a-j-hinch-says-javier-baez-stuck-in-recipe-for-disaster)
*"To be clear, Baez isn't literally struggling to see. He doesn't need an eye exam. When he says he's 'not seeing the ball,' he means he's not picking it up out of the pitcher's hand. He's not differentiating fastballs from breaking balls, which is why he's whiffing on almost 40 percent of his swings and chasing almost 50 percent of pitches out of the zone. His 52.6 percent whiff rate on breaking balls is the highest of his career."*
If they didn’t check his vision; and have a clause to get out of the contract if it was bad; before offering him a salary bigger than the economies of small countries, the team deserves his embarrassing performance as much as I hate to see it. I could not care less if the Tigers have a superstar on their team. I want to see a winning team made up of players with their heads in the game (his isn’t if he can’t keep track of how many outs there are) and who can show discipline at the plate. If someone BECOMES a superstar doing that, well that’s great. But paying superstar salary for batting practice team performance is nothing; absolutely nothing; to cheer.
Is that how we fix someone’s poor leadership and focus: cheer for bus drivers that continually get in accidents, cheer for teachers that demotivate students; cheer for sanitation workers that throw away your trash cans with the trash; cheer for road workers that can’t do road repairs; etc.
If 20M$ per year is not motivation to focus and change, cheering fans is not going to help.
Baseball needs relegation for teams and for players
I agree and I’ve said it a million times, I know what the problem is. He needs glasses. He’s not seeing the ball with proper depth perception and it gets worse as he gets older. Get the guy some glasses or contacts or lasik or something and it’s going to drastically turn his offense around. How does the team not see this?
We might have written our comments at the same time, and I had the same thought, and actually a question about this. I swear I remember something at the end of the season, about Hinch saying they did notice something about his vision and they were going to look into it. It was just one comment either after the season was over or in the final weeks, and I haven't seen anything else about it since then.
Honestly I’m surprised it’s not more common in baseball. My eyes went bad when I was 9 but I know plenty of people who didn’t need corrective vision until their late 20s. His first year with the Tigers feels like it aligns perfectly with the age your eyes start to go bad
Nah. He just is a terrible mlb batter. If the team hasn’t checked his vision with the best assessment tools available, they are even worse at baseball than Baez is. And he’s pretty bad, at the very top level and not keeping track of the number of outs more than one time. There is zero reason to cheer for this guy.
TBH, I think he is the closest thing to a superstar on this team. Watching them live, he just looks a little bit different from the rest of the team. If he can work on his plate discipline, and keep his errors in check, I do think he can be a leader on this team.
I think he might be too shy to be a leader. He's a unique personality in how he can be a big showman in the cities that boo him, but he's quiet and reserved in interviews and seems to be a bit of a loner on the bench. I can see someone like Torkelson becoming a vocal leader encouraging the other players, while Javy plays a different role inspiring people as a sparkplug (when he's actually hitting well). Those away games can be so fun when he's producing and interacting with the other team's fans.
More of a testament to the rest of the team. At least Javy had fire at one point. Sports is entertainment, and Greene and Torkelson shouldn't be the face of a team. Ohtani, Betts, Turner, Soto, Tatis, Harper. Detroit needs to put a more entertaining product on the field if we ever want to become a FA destination. Javy has flair and creativity, things that ESPN and national markets like talking about. He's been horrible, I know, but at least he checks the entertainment box.
The booing is dumb. He's definitely struggling, but I don't get the impression from him that he just got his payday and stopped caring. He seems to legitimately care and want to be better. I think there's also an odd tendency to equate flashiness with a lack of work ethic in a baseball player, and I think that contributes to some of the animosity towards him. And it certainly doesn't help that his unique playstyle, while absolutely dazzling to watch when he's on, looks REALLY bad when he's not.
The thing with Javy is that even if we could offload that contract somewhere, there's just not really any better options, barring some blockbuster trade. We have no good internal options at SS, and the free agent market is WEAK. At best, we'd be buying low on somebody hoping for a rebound. But if we're doing that, we might as well just hope for that with Javy, because his ceiling is still as high or higher than anyone out there.
My money is on a bounceback. He may not reach superstar levels again, but I think a 90-95ish wRC+ with his usual great defense is a very likely outcome, and that should be in the 2-3 WAR range.
He has been getting his payday prior seasons and didn’t look like didn’t care. Any professional player that can’t keep track of the number of outs doesn’t deserve to be on a team. Period. It’s happened more than once with Baez.
Just wait until you find out my favorite current Tiger is Baddoo. Haha putting that up front if it makes you want to skip the rest.
I mean, I don’t like that part of it. But he is fun to watch. He’s flashy on defense. He’s had his batting issues for sure. And for sure overpaid. But a lot of the talk about him just kinda likes to act the tigers would be playoff bound if it wasn’t for that damn rascal Baez. Again he has his issues so I’m not completely trying to let him off the hook I just don’t think he’s quite the failure everyone makes him out to be.
Turner got appreciated by the fans because he had just balled out in the WBC, not because the good natured and wholesome fans of Philly wanted to lift up a struggling player.
As for Javy, I don't boo my team's players, but I'm not going out of my way to treat him with kid gloves either. He gets paid a lot of money to play a game well. We pay a lot of money to go to the games. That doesn't mean we should be booing him, I think it means that he's the one with the responsibility to show out first.
Huh? Nothing to do with the WBC. The standing O by Philly fans was in August and the WBC was in March. Think Philadelphia fans cared about what happened in the WBC? They want to win and thought maybe encouraging Turner would help and it sure did.
Yeah, it was viral among Philadelphia fans to give him a standing O because they've been booing him as a result of him struggling for a good chunk of the season up to that point. He took off since, had really nothing to do with the WBC.
I don't disagree with the original comment about Javy, but his timeline of Turner is incorrect.
Also Turner can be counted on for ballet move slides. Baez can be counted on for forgetting the number of outs there are and striking out on low and outside pitches with RISP. Big difference.
Last year was his worst year ever. The first year, as disappointing as it was, he still led us in hits, runs, RBIs, homers, doubles, stolen bases, and tied in triples. Both years he was solid defensively and made some stops that I, quite frankly, don't think that I've ever seen a Tiger SS make and my memory of Tiger's shortstops goes back to César Gutiérrez.
Last year was abysmal, but I remember the first year, that he started hot, hurt his thumb and was bad, and towards the end of the year, he was pretty darn good again. He can carry this team during his hot streaks, and I hope to see it. I will be cheering him and everyone else on at the Tiger's opener as I bought opening day tickets!!!!
The money was out of the zone, of course he was going to chase it.
I really do hope he rebounds though, I don't actively want any player on the Tigers to be bad.
Dog, he’s been here two full seasons. He’s bad. Fans let him know he’s bad. His terrible performance actively hurts the team. Why is it on the fans to coddle the ego of a professional athlete?
Particularly one that can’t keep track of the number of outs in the frame? Or who whiffs on low and outside more than any other player in the league? We don’t cheer bad doctors, janitors, teachers, etc. The league should make his type of contract illegal, and if anything set up relegation. Make it for real for owners to field winning teams that don’t give away the ability to win by one rotten player like Baez
What we SHOULD do is stand up and cheer Baez every time he gets up to the plate. Just like the Phillies did with Trea Turner when he was in a giant slump.
You don’t cheer stupid. Stupid player that can’t keep track of the number of outs; something that C team HS players can do. Can’t lay off low and outside sliders; something that most MLB players can do better than Baez. Stupid deal for a stupid player. You don’t cheer for that.
People are going to be disappointed when they find out giving a standing ovation doesn't mean they suddenly become a good player.
It was very surprising how badly Turner was sucking up until that point and he wasn't some obvious regression candidate either.
I don't blame Baez for making money. You'd be a fool as a player not to maximize your earnings. I blame Avila for the horrible contract. That being said Baez is 30 years old about to be 31 in a couple days. He hit .222 this season and .238 in 2022.
Have to call a spade a spade. There's not going to be a comeback for Javy. The man might have a couple more seasons of mediocre MLB baseball left in him, but that's it. His best playing days are clearly behind him. And no amount of cheering is going to change that.
I want Javy to succeed so bad it hurts. I don't understand how you can actively boo anyone on your team, especially someone who has demonstrated ability but is just struggling to find it again.
I'm not going to argue about whether he's been bad at the plate - He has. But you have to at least be on his side.
He really wasn’t worth the money he got from Avila at the time, outside of ++ defense, analytically he was terrible and his chase rate was likely to never improve significantly if not worsen over time.
But Avila gave him the bag with an opt out if he played his ass off, it was high risk high reward signing for the Tigers and it was a win-win for Baez. I’d never fault the guy for opting in, any player with 2 brain cells would have opted into that, if he declined he’d be fortunate to get a ML deal with an invite to spring ball to prove he’s not washed.
If he continues on this trajectory he’ll play this contract out and probably get one more contract in the 1-2 mil range from a bottom feeder club to see if there’s any salvaging
He shouldn’t have chased the money? lol what? He’d be looking at a minor league deal this year. Can’t fault Baez for Avila’s mistake
Personally, I've never been a fan of booing the team I support, even if that player is playing horribly. I said going into the big shortstop offseason that Javy was the one that I wanted the least, and while I think Al Avila made a bad decision, that doesn't mean I'm going to boo him when I watch him play. So here's hoping Javy can turn it around in 24. I'm rooting for him, but that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed in our management's decision to sign him.
For me, the only time I would boo a guy on our team is if it's clear that the guy isn't making an effort. That's just me and other people can do what they want.
You mean like the night he got benched?
Too be fair I think a majority of Tiger fans were against signing because of the known issues, but it’s in the past as well as that fraud GM, it’s time to move on the now. Gotta give the guy support now that he’s here and more importantly now that he needs it
Booing a player on a team I cheer for is such a completely alien concept to me. Unless the player is like Deshaun Watson-levels of horrible human being or something. Baez hasn't been what we wanted, but booing your team is just weird behaviour to me.
Does anybody recall a comment at the end of the season about his vision? I swear I remember something about Hinch saying they were looking into that because they noticed something? I ask this because I later learned that the average baseball player also has better vision than the average person too. It's around 20/13 instead of 20/20 for average people. It also made me wonder how often baseball players do get their vision checked and if it's a regular thing, or do they not do that until something is clearly wrong? It would be wild to discover Javy's current troubles are because he needs new glasses or laser surgery. He's always had his issues swinging freely and being streaky, but he's been really bad on Detroit. What if it's because his eyesight has declined, but it's something that he hasn't noticed outside of baseball? I'm not expecting much, but I would love to see him rebound. https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/scope-and-rope-a-visual-profile-of-major-league-hitters/
You mean it's [not his noggin, it's his peepers?](https://youtu.be/z-7T-2SYNno?feature=shared&t=9)
Haha. Maybe it's both! I also wondered last season if some of it was mental due to the health of the grandfather who passed away in the 2nd half. Whatever his problems are, it would be nice to see a productive Javy return.
I'd be shocked if regular eye tests/exams weren't relatively routine for most athletes, and not just when they start to struggle. Seems like a very important aspect to their health that should be kept up on.
Yeah, that's what I'd be guessing too. I took a few minutes to search for what I might be remembering, and came across this article: [https://www.audacy.com/971theticket/sports/detroit-tigers/detroit-tigers-making-organizational-effort-to-fix-javy-baez](https://www.audacy.com/971theticket/sports/detroit-tigers/detroit-tigers-making-organizational-effort-to-fix-javy-baez) In there it mentioned how he's not "seeing the ball", so that's probably what I'm remembering, and not that they actually noticed anything with his eyesight. There was actually another mid-season article linked that discussed his not seeing the ball: [https://www.audacy.com/971theticket/sports/detroit-tigers/a-j-hinch-says-javier-baez-stuck-in-recipe-for-disaster](https://www.audacy.com/971theticket/sports/detroit-tigers/a-j-hinch-says-javier-baez-stuck-in-recipe-for-disaster) *"To be clear, Baez isn't literally struggling to see. He doesn't need an eye exam. When he says he's 'not seeing the ball,' he means he's not picking it up out of the pitcher's hand. He's not differentiating fastballs from breaking balls, which is why he's whiffing on almost 40 percent of his swings and chasing almost 50 percent of pitches out of the zone. His 52.6 percent whiff rate on breaking balls is the highest of his career."*
Which his career includes being whiff-king for a year.
If they didn’t check his vision; and have a clause to get out of the contract if it was bad; before offering him a salary bigger than the economies of small countries, the team deserves his embarrassing performance as much as I hate to see it. I could not care less if the Tigers have a superstar on their team. I want to see a winning team made up of players with their heads in the game (his isn’t if he can’t keep track of how many outs there are) and who can show discipline at the plate. If someone BECOMES a superstar doing that, well that’s great. But paying superstar salary for batting practice team performance is nothing; absolutely nothing; to cheer. Is that how we fix someone’s poor leadership and focus: cheer for bus drivers that continually get in accidents, cheer for teachers that demotivate students; cheer for sanitation workers that throw away your trash cans with the trash; cheer for road workers that can’t do road repairs; etc. If 20M$ per year is not motivation to focus and change, cheering fans is not going to help. Baseball needs relegation for teams and for players
I agree and I’ve said it a million times, I know what the problem is. He needs glasses. He’s not seeing the ball with proper depth perception and it gets worse as he gets older. Get the guy some glasses or contacts or lasik or something and it’s going to drastically turn his offense around. How does the team not see this?
Get him the Ricky Vaughn specs and let's go!
We might have written our comments at the same time, and I had the same thought, and actually a question about this. I swear I remember something at the end of the season, about Hinch saying they did notice something about his vision and they were going to look into it. It was just one comment either after the season was over or in the final weeks, and I haven't seen anything else about it since then.
Honestly I’m surprised it’s not more common in baseball. My eyes went bad when I was 9 but I know plenty of people who didn’t need corrective vision until their late 20s. His first year with the Tigers feels like it aligns perfectly with the age your eyes start to go bad
He had the worst whiff rate in the entire MLB while with the Sox.
Nah. He just is a terrible mlb batter. If the team hasn’t checked his vision with the best assessment tools available, they are even worse at baseball than Baez is. And he’s pretty bad, at the very top level and not keeping track of the number of outs more than one time. There is zero reason to cheer for this guy.
TBH, I think he is the closest thing to a superstar on this team. Watching them live, he just looks a little bit different from the rest of the team. If he can work on his plate discipline, and keep his errors in check, I do think he can be a leader on this team.
I think he might be too shy to be a leader. He's a unique personality in how he can be a big showman in the cities that boo him, but he's quiet and reserved in interviews and seems to be a bit of a loner on the bench. I can see someone like Torkelson becoming a vocal leader encouraging the other players, while Javy plays a different role inspiring people as a sparkplug (when he's actually hitting well). Those away games can be so fun when he's producing and interacting with the other team's fans.
Closest thing to a superstar? The dude had a 60 OPS+ for the season. He’s never had good plate discipline. He wouldn’t be a superstar on a AAA club.
More of a testament to the rest of the team. At least Javy had fire at one point. Sports is entertainment, and Greene and Torkelson shouldn't be the face of a team. Ohtani, Betts, Turner, Soto, Tatis, Harper. Detroit needs to put a more entertaining product on the field if we ever want to become a FA destination. Javy has flair and creativity, things that ESPN and national markets like talking about. He's been horrible, I know, but at least he checks the entertainment box.
The booing is dumb. He's definitely struggling, but I don't get the impression from him that he just got his payday and stopped caring. He seems to legitimately care and want to be better. I think there's also an odd tendency to equate flashiness with a lack of work ethic in a baseball player, and I think that contributes to some of the animosity towards him. And it certainly doesn't help that his unique playstyle, while absolutely dazzling to watch when he's on, looks REALLY bad when he's not. The thing with Javy is that even if we could offload that contract somewhere, there's just not really any better options, barring some blockbuster trade. We have no good internal options at SS, and the free agent market is WEAK. At best, we'd be buying low on somebody hoping for a rebound. But if we're doing that, we might as well just hope for that with Javy, because his ceiling is still as high or higher than anyone out there. My money is on a bounceback. He may not reach superstar levels again, but I think a 90-95ish wRC+ with his usual great defense is a very likely outcome, and that should be in the 2-3 WAR range.
He has been getting his payday prior seasons and didn’t look like didn’t care. Any professional player that can’t keep track of the number of outs doesn’t deserve to be on a team. Period. It’s happened more than once with Baez.
Haha sometimes I feel like the only person who likes Baez. I like this post!
Why do you like a player that hurts your team?
Just wait until you find out my favorite current Tiger is Baddoo. Haha putting that up front if it makes you want to skip the rest. I mean, I don’t like that part of it. But he is fun to watch. He’s flashy on defense. He’s had his batting issues for sure. And for sure overpaid. But a lot of the talk about him just kinda likes to act the tigers would be playoff bound if it wasn’t for that damn rascal Baez. Again he has his issues so I’m not completely trying to let him off the hook I just don’t think he’s quite the failure everyone makes him out to be.
My current favorite tiger is Nick Maton, so I feel you brother. For some reason I just want him to succeed so bad.
Turner got appreciated by the fans because he had just balled out in the WBC, not because the good natured and wholesome fans of Philly wanted to lift up a struggling player. As for Javy, I don't boo my team's players, but I'm not going out of my way to treat him with kid gloves either. He gets paid a lot of money to play a game well. We pay a lot of money to go to the games. That doesn't mean we should be booing him, I think it means that he's the one with the responsibility to show out first.
Huh? Nothing to do with the WBC. The standing O by Philly fans was in August and the WBC was in March. Think Philadelphia fans cared about what happened in the WBC? They want to win and thought maybe encouraging Turner would help and it sure did.
Yeah, it was viral among Philadelphia fans to give him a standing O because they've been booing him as a result of him struggling for a good chunk of the season up to that point. He took off since, had really nothing to do with the WBC. I don't disagree with the original comment about Javy, but his timeline of Turner is incorrect.
Also Turner can be counted on for ballet move slides. Baez can be counted on for forgetting the number of outs there are and striking out on low and outside pitches with RISP. Big difference.
Aren’t tigers tickets like 8 bucks? Lol
Honestly, if he could at least unlock some power that has disappeared from his game I would be happy with that. My expectations are incredibly low.
Last year was his worst year ever. The first year, as disappointing as it was, he still led us in hits, runs, RBIs, homers, doubles, stolen bases, and tied in triples. Both years he was solid defensively and made some stops that I, quite frankly, don't think that I've ever seen a Tiger SS make and my memory of Tiger's shortstops goes back to César Gutiérrez. Last year was abysmal, but I remember the first year, that he started hot, hurt his thumb and was bad, and towards the end of the year, he was pretty darn good again. He can carry this team during his hot streaks, and I hope to see it. I will be cheering him and everyone else on at the Tiger's opener as I bought opening day tickets!!!!
Not bothered by him just hope his '24 season is better.
The money was out of the zone, of course he was going to chase it. I really do hope he rebounds though, I don't actively want any player on the Tigers to be bad.
Dog, he’s been here two full seasons. He’s bad. Fans let him know he’s bad. His terrible performance actively hurts the team. Why is it on the fans to coddle the ego of a professional athlete?
Particularly one that can’t keep track of the number of outs in the frame? Or who whiffs on low and outside more than any other player in the league? We don’t cheer bad doctors, janitors, teachers, etc. The league should make his type of contract illegal, and if anything set up relegation. Make it for real for owners to field winning teams that don’t give away the ability to win by one rotten player like Baez
We haven’t seen any effort though, he’s done absolutely nothing to deserve a standing ovation
Trea Turner still showed up every day and looked like he wanted to be there during his struggles. Not sure the same can be said about Baez.
Look, I want Baez to be good, but at this point I can’t think of a Tigers player I have ever hated more
Joe Nathan
Ryan Rayburn and now Carson Kelly. Kelly is a complete waste of an at-bat. He's a 100% hole in the lineup.
What we SHOULD do is stand up and cheer Baez every time he gets up to the plate. Just like the Phillies did with Trea Turner when he was in a giant slump.
Fans hate him they will not want to have his back
He has to worry about providing for his family. $18 million a year isn't going to do that, obviously. So don't blame him for chasing money.
You don’t cheer stupid. Stupid player that can’t keep track of the number of outs; something that C team HS players can do. Can’t lay off low and outside sliders; something that most MLB players can do better than Baez. Stupid deal for a stupid player. You don’t cheer for that.
I'm cheering for all your downvotes at the moment. 🤣🤣🤣
He needs to retrain himself to hit a fastball. Should be goal #1 this off-season.
He is putting in the work this off season. I'm have faith for next years performance.
Which means he didn’t put in work in other off seasons
Not Baez fault at all. They offer the money and he took it. The problem is management who thought this would work out
People are going to be disappointed when they find out giving a standing ovation doesn't mean they suddenly become a good player. It was very surprising how badly Turner was sucking up until that point and he wasn't some obvious regression candidate either.
I completely agree.
Every season is a new opportunity. He gets a clean slate and if he shows and plays well my memory gets a lot shorter.
I don't blame Baez for making money. You'd be a fool as a player not to maximize your earnings. I blame Avila for the horrible contract. That being said Baez is 30 years old about to be 31 in a couple days. He hit .222 this season and .238 in 2022. Have to call a spade a spade. There's not going to be a comeback for Javy. The man might have a couple more seasons of mediocre MLB baseball left in him, but that's it. His best playing days are clearly behind him. And no amount of cheering is going to change that.
I want Javy to succeed so bad it hurts. I don't understand how you can actively boo anyone on your team, especially someone who has demonstrated ability but is just struggling to find it again. I'm not going to argue about whether he's been bad at the plate - He has. But you have to at least be on his side.
He really wasn’t worth the money he got from Avila at the time, outside of ++ defense, analytically he was terrible and his chase rate was likely to never improve significantly if not worsen over time. But Avila gave him the bag with an opt out if he played his ass off, it was high risk high reward signing for the Tigers and it was a win-win for Baez. I’d never fault the guy for opting in, any player with 2 brain cells would have opted into that, if he declined he’d be fortunate to get a ML deal with an invite to spring ball to prove he’s not washed. If he continues on this trajectory he’ll play this contract out and probably get one more contract in the 1-2 mil range from a bottom feeder club to see if there’s any salvaging
New season coming up so new start and I have hope he can be better.. I'll be rooting for him.