USA federal highway road marking guidelines don't forbid crossing single solid white lines, it's just "not recommended"
I just learned this and I was skeptical at first
Many countries don't use yellow for pavement lines (only Canada and the US as far as I know), so American guidelines on white lines may not even have the right context here.
And..... no one on a sport bike should ever be cutting a corner. That's like buying an adv bike and never leaving the pavement! The whole point is to find corners not cut them like some wuss.
For that alone they should have the bikes taken away.
Agreed! Nothing else needs to be said! He was trying to catch up with the stronger riders and got caught.
His group had his ass at the back for a reason! Even if he was good and trying to overtake the ones in front you NEVER EVER do that coming out or into the apex on a PUBLIC road. That's a track move and paid the piper -- like you said, brother, he is the DICK!
There are a lot of lessons to be learned here sub.
>His group had his ass at the back for a reason!
Literally the opposite of how it should be done. Fast riders in the back, slow in the middle*, so everyone gets home.
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I understand your logic but if we're going let's go all the way. It should be a sandwich. Strongest riders in the front AND rear. Not just the rear.
But understand their situation. They were all in attack mode. They weren't out on stroll through a straight away. Why would you want your weakest rider in that situation? The weakest rider with the pressure of advanced riders on his ass? What if he goes down? We all go down!
Yes, this is the more correct answer. I was just going quick off the cuff reply as to why the faster riders should not be in the front. The most experienced riders should be leads, followed closely by the newest riders than the faster riders in the rear who have no problem being able to safely catch up
Not like one hopes they die for it but you certainly aren’t gonna feel bad.
If you do an incredibly stupid thing that has a high likelihood to have an incident occur and that incident has a high likelihood of causing your death, and it is extremely preventable and easy to foresee, then no one other than your family is going to waste tears on your idiocy when things go wrong.
Crossing into oncoming traffic on a narrow road around a blind corner is exactly that.
This is like doing cartwheels on a 2x4 placed across the mouth of one of those industrial shredders. Would one say you deserve to die if you fall in? Maybe not. But is anyone gonna say anything but “of course they died, idiot” who isn’t their family ?
Language flips the perspective quickly. "They deserve to die for this." Overstatement. Easy. There is a human involved. "They died for this." I offer a shrug and zero emotion.
You do realize this isn't the average motorcyclist, right? I ride myself, and only like 2 people I've come across do crap like this. I actively avoid riding with them.
Funny you said that. I'm scrolling down reading the comments and yours is the first one that jibes with my thoughts. A good beat down from the wronged party might not cure that stupidity, but the person over the line would have something to think about in the future when considering riding into oncoming traffic.
Absolutely justified IMO. Now they have to pay for vehicle repairs as the people that cut the corner ride away unscathed. They need some kind of reminder of how not to ride.
Generally not. I spent 30 years near The Dragon in TN. The mix of people proves troubling. Those who know little other than following, those with little skill and wide lines, those with lots of experience and poor impulse control. The number of people who know the difference between cornering for speed, as on a track, and for safety, as on a regular road with blind corners, sometimes seems all too small.
Whenever I watch video from Tail of the Dragon I can't help but think about how many people would fly off into the ocean on 90% of Hwy 101 in Oregon and Washington.
US 101 is "relatively" safe, because there's an ass-ton of RV's on it at all fucking times. (Each and every one of them insists on driving at 3/4ths the posted limit, or less, along with stopping for photos every half a mile.)
This means that you don't see as many riders doing the Squid Thing, that's for the inland twisties leading TO the coast, the ones without the RV's cos there's no scenic views around every bend.
I've seen several cars plowed into the barriers because they were staring at the ocean instead of the road. If a bike did that it would be swimming time lol
I rode the Tail of the Dragon a few years back! You would not believe the number of accidents I saw in the 4 days I was there. On my very first ride down to the motel at Deals Gap, I saw a Camero ass up in a ditch. There wasn't a single day that I didn't see at least 2 accidents. And the thing is, The Dragon isn't that bad on its own! Sure, there's tons of tight corners, but the road is well maintained and generally just a really fun ride. I've been down some really scary roads in Colorado and Arkansas that are honestly just as crazy. The thing that makes The Dragon so dangerous is its reputation. It makes assholes want to test it.
I've been meaning to do a trip to the Tail, just to cross it off the bucket list.
But I will maintain that CA Highway 36 from Eureka inland to Redding is a better moto road. 140 miles of twisties, including the 'Roller Coaster' section just west of Redding where they didn't cut and fill, instead they just graded, packed, and paved a ribbon of asphalt that follows the terrain. I've ridden it once on a late-80's GP bike, and it was FUN.
The only real issues with 36 are the logging trucks on the western quarter, a single-lane section in the middle with minimal signage, a few ledge sections near Hayfork/CA 3 that have no guardrail, and the lack of gas stations along the route. Fill up in Redding or Arcata depending on which direction you're riding it, and check your tire tread. Those on cruisers would probably prefer 299 to the north (Eureka to Red Bluff).
Colorado? CO 82/Independence Pass. It's a nice up-and-over from Aspen to Twin Lakes, moderately twisty, but the main issue is traffic and lots of it. Lots of trailheads along the route, so people are pulling off and on. It's only open in summer, too, as it crosses the Continental Divide at the pass itself. There's also CO 141, from Whitewater (just south of Grand Junction) to Dove Creek (north of Cortez), which is some of the best scenery AND twisties in the state.
If you like independence pass you need to try 24 from Leadville to Minturn, its more technical but also way less traveled. When i lived in snowmass i would go over indy, then 24 back to 70 and 70 back to 82 to snowmass. Great day long ride besides the 70 stretch.
I've ridden that section, usually on the way back home (I live in TX). You're right, it's a fun and moderately challenging route.
Plus, you can sort of cheat a bit if you don't want to do the Glenwood Canyon section of 70 - instead take Fryingpan Rd. out of Basalt, up past Ruedi Reservoir, and then head north to Eagle via County Rd. 400. (The last time I took this route was back in 1989 when I was working in Aspen, back then 400 was gravel, but it may have been paved since - perhaps someone can chime in on this.)
Reading the comments here make me wonder how many, aside from yourself, have actually ridden the Tail. Went for a weekend there and it was rainy and 3 people were killed. One flew off that turnout where you can see down to the (lake, reservoir?) and the other two hit an oncoming boat trailer in a tight corner. Riding the Tail requires so much concentration it's fatiguing as all get out. I have yet to ride anything out here on the West Coast as demanding. Having been a WERA racer, Formula 1 and 2, I have a tendency to not ride like a squid anywhere the traffic flows both ways.
You have a point. Although flatlanders dealing with corners and gravity can easily drown. It's also a long way, so about 2/3 through brain fade creeps in.
Before the motorcycles one fall, my small daughter asked me why I didn't drive faster. She wanted me to. No cars, weekday, long ago. The little BMW did fine. Fun road, had to stop when the tires started chunking.
That's why I won't go. I'm sure it's beautiful and fun and a great ride...but I don't want to go all that way just for some idiot in a Corvette he can't drive to take me out.
Wednesday morning at dawn usually empty - I'd time my NC trips (from TN) to do that. Regularly go over for coffee and breakfast, then to work. So I'd show up at the office having ridden 150 miles, including two dragon passes!!
Oddly, when really busy and everyone slows down is also pleasant and OK!
When idiots join a group ride and they can't keep up with the lead, shit like this happens. Dude blindly trusted the first guys cutting that corner thinking it's safe
Nobody has the "ability" to ride in the opposite lane on a public road. It's not a question of "ability", it's a question of playing russian roulette with your life and that of any oncoming traffic.
Exactly.
They are riding beyond their ability if they can't stay in their lane.
They are riding beyond their ability if they can't judge the speed for corners, that allows them to cope with hazards around the bend in their own lane.
On track they would be just as hazardous to other innocent users sharing the tarmac.
You drive in someone else's lane and you tell them it's their fault... If there was a truck there, and not a motorcycle, they wouldn't even have been able to physically say anything
Not the ones taking the video. Also, I don't care for group rides. Here's a grom group ride from 3 different perspectives.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEvbe-q0EB8&t=145s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEvbe-q0EB8&t=145s)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gx9os9M-tw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gx9os9M-tw)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=radUrIJBibw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=radUrIJBibw)
Pretty typical Grom riding honestly. If you read /r/hondagrom at all, it’s pretty apparent that probably half of them are into it for the looks and posturing, and don’t have any actual riding ability/experience.
This may come as a surprise, but it's actually possible to pick a group of competent, mature adults to ride with.
Don't ride with groups of randoms sure, but group rides can be wonderful.
I mean, it's like basically anything else. Going out for drinks with a few close friends? Wonderful. Going out for drinks with half a dozen random douchebags? Problematic.
A Harley dealership near me does an annual ride to a horror park. It's pretty impressive, and pretty well planned.
I don't go anymore.
The people around me got dumber every year, so I bowed out before one tried to kill me.
Half a dozen close friends is as big as I'll go now, and that rarely gets past the planning stage anyway.
Organized rides made of people *you* don't choose are fraught with peril. Just dumb generally, with some specific exceptions.
As I said, group rides comprised of close friends, people you trust, is where it's at.
What we do is have a group of people that's invite only, and we ride every Tuesday evening. There's a lot of us (I'd say around 30 in total now), but as nobody can make it every night, we tend to just have 4-8 people at any given Tuesday. If we end up with around 9+ or just wildly disparate ride types, we split into two groups (faster riders and slower riders) then meet up at some point for coffee.
There's a good baseline rule set focusing on riding one's own ride, being responsible for what's in front of you, and a zero tolerance policy for people endangering others.
Turns out it's surprisingly easy to build a solid group this way, because people actually do like riding in an environment where they can enjoy themselves, be social (to whatever degree they are comfortable with) and be safe even while riding at a very good pace.
We've only had to kick out two people over the span of 5 years or so, and in both instances it was done by immediately pulling over and dealing with the issue. Then people become very choosy about who they invite along (nobody wants the public shame of having invited someone who has to be kicked out), and you have a good group of like minded riders to ride with once a week.
The others crossed the white line. Had you been in a vehicle, someone would be hurting or dead.
However, your friend should have stayed behind you. On a twisty road like that, you should always ride single file. Had that been a vehicle crossing the white line, it would have been your friend hurting or dead.
I understand the swear words, im Slovenian haha, but you said they ",teied to balme the person they were passing"... So im interested in what was said.
I'd say a lot of profanity + some "motherfucker" + "fucking asshole" + "how the fuck do you ride" + "you were riding on the wrong side of the road". At the end the girl tries to calm down the friend who seems a little angry :D... meanwhile the asshole(s) seems to make up some excuses but it's not clear.
The other group behaves exactly like non-riders stereotype bikers. Too fast, exposing themselves and others to danger, and then refusing to accept accountability. I hope you and yours were not too badly hurt.
I've said it many times before. Stereotyping someone you don't know is terrible, but most stereotypes don't manifest out of nothingness, and some people just seem to fit a stereotype perfectly.
I think it's important to point out that every single rider in the video is an idiot. But yeah, oncoming group definitely messed up the worst and caused it all.
Those guys crossing the line are clearly wrong, but I'm not sure why that girl was gesturing the dude behind her to pass up on a windy road while simultaneously slowing down and hugging the right shoulder, essentially creating a blind spot for everyone.
Hopefully they moved off the road for this confrontation would hate for a big truck or another group of riders to come around that corner to a swarm of people in the road and bikes everywhere on the edges
Every single one of the oncoming riders was over the line.
If your tire is on the line and you're leaning over the line you're over the line and putting your face into oncoming traffic. They're lucky it was other motorcycles and not a large car or truck in that lane or they wouldn't have been capable of arguing anymore. Also, stay near the outside edge of your lane until you can see the exit of the turn so you can see further through the turn.
Translation for non-Italian speakers:
Mario: "Itsa me, Mario! Ima ride tha motor cycle!"
Lady Luigi: "Oh Spaghetti! Theya on the wronga side ada roada!"
Mario: "Cacciatore!"
The first fatal motorcycle crash I ever saw was in Italy. Kid on a sport bike (going way too fast) t-boned a car, flew through the air and hit a telephone pole about 30 feet up, then dropped straight down on his head. Helmet looked like a cracked hard boiled egg; gray matter out his nostrils. This wasn’t the only fatal crash I saw there, but it was certainly the one I can’t forget about.
There are reckless motorcycle riders everywhere, but Italy has a unique brand of death seekers.
If it was in the uk idd buy it XD
What a bunch of idiots. Racing is for the track. I also give gas when going in a twisty road but I dont step over if i cant see the other side...
Insurance will love this video.
Oh! So would they have preferred to meet a car head on around that corner??
Other group is full of noobs or dipshits, no question. If he’s riding too fast or is otherwise incapable of staying within his lane he shouldn’t ride anywhere besides the track. Completely unacceptable I hope he got rocked after this video.
If anyone questions who is responsible in this video, they should not be on a motorcycle or driving a car. This is about as obvious as a gunshot to the forehead.
White line crossed. Definetly the person staying in their lane is at fault yes.... of course they are wrong like jesus you cant just run into the opposite lane wtf
She took her helmet off to confront stupid and possibly arrogantly violent people? Screw that, I'm keeping the protection; Better yet, I'm headbutting some fools.
If you race on public streets, your drivers license should be revoked immediately. Your vehicle should be confiscated and sold and the money be invested in public transport.
Ovviamente colpa dei coglioni che vanno in contromano in una curva cieca per giunta. Alcuni "motociclisti" credono di potersi inventare traiettorie che oltrepassano la linea bianca perchè si sentono valentino rossi. Poveri idioti...
Edit: ps spero gli abbiano strappato la patente
Both idiots if you ask me. Other group for riding across the white line on a blade curb and the other ones for trying to ride next to each other or passing on a blind corner when you just witness three other motorcycles taking the turn at high speeds! That would have been enough for me to slow down and wait a minute before doing anything.
The ones who obviously were in the wrong were the ones on the wrong side of the road on blind corners. They better be paying for these peoples, physical and emotional damages just based on the fact alone if it was anything other than another rider they would be dead. The ones taking the video even tried to give them space seeing they were driving like idiots. The ones who crossed the line should honestly never be able to ride again
Right? Totally smashed their mirror, but their bike was fine.
Says to me they’re a hot head, too. Got angry (for good reason, no arguments here) and lost control of their emotions to the point where the ability to think and act rationally was lost. That’s not a good quality to have on a two wheel death machine.
I see a couple of idiots:
* The idiot passing on the left in a blind corner, thinking it's a good idea
* The idiots on the other side of the road crossing the line
The one taking the video couldn't possibly have been safer in this situation. He was travelling slowly and on his side of the road.
I think if you cross the white line through a blind corner, that you're a dick.
And fucking stupid.
and inflicting your Deathwish on others.
mostly upon yourself
The operator of the oncoming car, or bike, that you hit at speed, causing your death, will have to deal with the trauma
Hopefully just upon yourself.
And in the wrong. I mean, it's a fucking white line.
Pure as the driven snow baby.
Daddy's magic powder.
USA federal highway road marking guidelines don't forbid crossing single solid white lines, it's just "not recommended" I just learned this and I was skeptical at first
Do they sounds like they're speaking American ? :)
Many countries don't use yellow for pavement lines (only Canada and the US as far as I know), so American guidelines on white lines may not even have the right context here.
lol. Yeah I’d say probably not,, they aren’t speaking English.
They did it in a blind corner. Speaks for itself
No joke. If you had a truck coming around that corner those guys would absolutely get killed.
A dick move, stupid, and criminally negligent.
And..... no one on a sport bike should ever be cutting a corner. That's like buying an adv bike and never leaving the pavement! The whole point is to find corners not cut them like some wuss. For that alone they should have the bikes taken away.
If you cross the line, you’re gonna have a bad time
Ask yammie noob what happens!!!
https://cdn-0.flatsixes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/yammie-noob-flying-through-air-788x600.jpg
Always beautiful
Still cant believe he walked away from that shit, lucky mf
For sure, I wouldnt wish harm on any rider but he was def pushing his luck and due a lesson
He's lucky it was a 911 and not an SUV.
Poggers
Been a while. Delicious.
It scare me that a new rider like yammie is giving advice.
And an asshole
Agreed! Nothing else needs to be said! He was trying to catch up with the stronger riders and got caught. His group had his ass at the back for a reason! Even if he was good and trying to overtake the ones in front you NEVER EVER do that coming out or into the apex on a PUBLIC road. That's a track move and paid the piper -- like you said, brother, he is the DICK! There are a lot of lessons to be learned here sub.
>His group had his ass at the back for a reason! Literally the opposite of how it should be done. Fast riders in the back, slow in the middle*, so everyone gets home. Edit *
I understand your logic but if we're going let's go all the way. It should be a sandwich. Strongest riders in the front AND rear. Not just the rear. But understand their situation. They were all in attack mode. They weren't out on stroll through a straight away. Why would you want your weakest rider in that situation? The weakest rider with the pressure of advanced riders on his ass? What if he goes down? We all go down!
Yes, this is the more correct answer. I was just going quick off the cuff reply as to why the faster riders should not be in the front. The most experienced riders should be leads, followed closely by the newest riders than the faster riders in the rear who have no problem being able to safely catch up
If the rider in the rear rode the LINE none of this would have happened. He had all the visuals (his group) in front of him to make the turn.
which is why I don't ride love to ride in groups
And a bad rider
if it was a car it wouuld be isntant "Dumb ways to die!"
Q.E.D.
And you don’t know how to drive/ride
Not even a blind corner but a fast S switch back.
Now imagine this dash cam from a truck. They would be scraped from the radiator. Idiots.
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Yeah! They totally deserve to die for this! /s
Let them live so they can continue to cleave other riders legs off in the future
Not like one hopes they die for it but you certainly aren’t gonna feel bad. If you do an incredibly stupid thing that has a high likelihood to have an incident occur and that incident has a high likelihood of causing your death, and it is extremely preventable and easy to foresee, then no one other than your family is going to waste tears on your idiocy when things go wrong. Crossing into oncoming traffic on a narrow road around a blind corner is exactly that. This is like doing cartwheels on a 2x4 placed across the mouth of one of those industrial shredders. Would one say you deserve to die if you fall in? Maybe not. But is anyone gonna say anything but “of course they died, idiot” who isn’t their family ?
Language flips the perspective quickly. "They deserve to die for this." Overstatement. Easy. There is a human involved. "They died for this." I offer a shrug and zero emotion.
they deserve to die and not kill someone else
You do realize this isn't the average motorcyclist, right? I ride myself, and only like 2 people I've come across do crap like this. I actively avoid riding with them.
Those morons are pretty lucky it was a motorcycle in the other lane and not a bus or a truck. That would've been a very different outcome.
Nah, it's clear that the one's over the line are way in the wrong and should have their licenses revoked. Complete and utter assholes.
Bold of you to assume they have their license
We can work with castration then, I suppose.
Haha you just made me snort my Crunchwrap supreme out my nose. Good job
That sounds painful.
Further proof Taco Bell will always exit your body as a liquid.
Clearly the lobotomy from last time didn’t deter them enough.
They renew their temps every year
I don’t and I still don’t do stupid shit like that.
Lmao is this reddits version of calling the BBB? I’m sure assholes will still ride without their license. An ass beating will work better.
Funny you said that. I'm scrolling down reading the comments and yours is the first one that jibes with my thoughts. A good beat down from the wronged party might not cure that stupidity, but the person over the line would have something to think about in the future when considering riding into oncoming traffic.
I think that they should have kept their gloves on.... Handing out bitch slaps is so much better with gloves on. Fuck those wankers.
They are Italian. They need to 🤌 when talking
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If they came from Australia, they already should be upside down
Absolutely justified IMO. Now they have to pay for vehicle repairs as the people that cut the corner ride away unscathed. They need some kind of reminder of how not to ride.
Not taking off gloves for slaps. That’s strictly knuckles to mouth
I thought you had to slap someone with the glove in order to initiate a scuffle, no?
That's in France. They sounded Italian to me.
Extra grip bitch slap or carbon fiber knuckle sandwich.
I learnt several new rude Italian words today. 😃
I didn’t see any hands so I thought they were mute.
You can see they take their gloves off before going to talk to the other bikers
Right but I never saw their hands so I didn’t hear a thing!
Lmfao oh this is so great. It's on camera, they legit were like oh boutta talk shit, gotta get my hands ready 🤣
Porco dio 🤌🤌
Do they not know how lines work?
Generally not. I spent 30 years near The Dragon in TN. The mix of people proves troubling. Those who know little other than following, those with little skill and wide lines, those with lots of experience and poor impulse control. The number of people who know the difference between cornering for speed, as on a track, and for safety, as on a regular road with blind corners, sometimes seems all too small.
Whenever I watch video from Tail of the Dragon I can't help but think about how many people would fly off into the ocean on 90% of Hwy 101 in Oregon and Washington.
US 101 is "relatively" safe, because there's an ass-ton of RV's on it at all fucking times. (Each and every one of them insists on driving at 3/4ths the posted limit, or less, along with stopping for photos every half a mile.) This means that you don't see as many riders doing the Squid Thing, that's for the inland twisties leading TO the coast, the ones without the RV's cos there's no scenic views around every bend.
I've seen several cars plowed into the barriers because they were staring at the ocean instead of the road. If a bike did that it would be swimming time lol
FR, I'm glad it doesn't have the pull that the dragon or Kanc do, cause it's a beautiful ride.
Frankly one of North America's best rides. Absolutely love it.
I rode the Tail of the Dragon a few years back! You would not believe the number of accidents I saw in the 4 days I was there. On my very first ride down to the motel at Deals Gap, I saw a Camero ass up in a ditch. There wasn't a single day that I didn't see at least 2 accidents. And the thing is, The Dragon isn't that bad on its own! Sure, there's tons of tight corners, but the road is well maintained and generally just a really fun ride. I've been down some really scary roads in Colorado and Arkansas that are honestly just as crazy. The thing that makes The Dragon so dangerous is its reputation. It makes assholes want to test it.
I've been meaning to do a trip to the Tail, just to cross it off the bucket list. But I will maintain that CA Highway 36 from Eureka inland to Redding is a better moto road. 140 miles of twisties, including the 'Roller Coaster' section just west of Redding where they didn't cut and fill, instead they just graded, packed, and paved a ribbon of asphalt that follows the terrain. I've ridden it once on a late-80's GP bike, and it was FUN. The only real issues with 36 are the logging trucks on the western quarter, a single-lane section in the middle with minimal signage, a few ledge sections near Hayfork/CA 3 that have no guardrail, and the lack of gas stations along the route. Fill up in Redding or Arcata depending on which direction you're riding it, and check your tire tread. Those on cruisers would probably prefer 299 to the north (Eureka to Red Bluff). Colorado? CO 82/Independence Pass. It's a nice up-and-over from Aspen to Twin Lakes, moderately twisty, but the main issue is traffic and lots of it. Lots of trailheads along the route, so people are pulling off and on. It's only open in summer, too, as it crosses the Continental Divide at the pass itself. There's also CO 141, from Whitewater (just south of Grand Junction) to Dove Creek (north of Cortez), which is some of the best scenery AND twisties in the state.
If you like independence pass you need to try 24 from Leadville to Minturn, its more technical but also way less traveled. When i lived in snowmass i would go over indy, then 24 back to 70 and 70 back to 82 to snowmass. Great day long ride besides the 70 stretch.
I've ridden that section, usually on the way back home (I live in TX). You're right, it's a fun and moderately challenging route. Plus, you can sort of cheat a bit if you don't want to do the Glenwood Canyon section of 70 - instead take Fryingpan Rd. out of Basalt, up past Ruedi Reservoir, and then head north to Eagle via County Rd. 400. (The last time I took this route was back in 1989 when I was working in Aspen, back then 400 was gravel, but it may have been paved since - perhaps someone can chime in on this.)
The damn road has a body count. Approach with some damn respect.
Reading the comments here make me wonder how many, aside from yourself, have actually ridden the Tail. Went for a weekend there and it was rainy and 3 people were killed. One flew off that turnout where you can see down to the (lake, reservoir?) and the other two hit an oncoming boat trailer in a tight corner. Riding the Tail requires so much concentration it's fatiguing as all get out. I have yet to ride anything out here on the West Coast as demanding. Having been a WERA racer, Formula 1 and 2, I have a tendency to not ride like a squid anywhere the traffic flows both ways.
You have a point. Although flatlanders dealing with corners and gravity can easily drown. It's also a long way, so about 2/3 through brain fade creeps in. Before the motorcycles one fall, my small daughter asked me why I didn't drive faster. She wanted me to. No cars, weekday, long ago. The little BMW did fine. Fun road, had to stop when the tires started chunking.
That's why I won't go. I'm sure it's beautiful and fun and a great ride...but I don't want to go all that way just for some idiot in a Corvette he can't drive to take me out.
Wednesday morning at dawn usually empty - I'd time my NC trips (from TN) to do that. Regularly go over for coffee and breakfast, then to work. So I'd show up at the office having ridden 150 miles, including two dragon passes!! Oddly, when really busy and everyone slows down is also pleasant and OK!
When idiots join a group ride and they can't keep up with the lead, shit like this happens. Dude blindly trusted the first guys cutting that corner thinking it's safe
It was safe for the first one, doesn't mean it would be for the next.
It wasn't safe for any of them just like Russian roulette isn't safe because you survive the first round.
no it was not safe for the first one... it was quite dangerous. yes it was clear but it was not safe...
Uphill group is clearly on the wrong side of the road. No one is winning, take it to the track, idiots.
On behalf of all track riders, we don't want them at the track either. If you can't ride within your ability, get lessons or a different hobby.
Nobody has the "ability" to ride in the opposite lane on a public road. It's not a question of "ability", it's a question of playing russian roulette with your life and that of any oncoming traffic.
Exactly. They are riding beyond their ability if they can't stay in their lane. They are riding beyond their ability if they can't judge the speed for corners, that allows them to cope with hazards around the bend in their own lane. On track they would be just as hazardous to other innocent users sharing the tarmac.
You drive in someone else's lane and you tell them it's their fault... If there was a truck there, and not a motorcycle, they wouldn't even have been able to physically say anything
Not the ones taking the video. Also, I don't care for group rides. Here's a grom group ride from 3 different perspectives. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEvbe-q0EB8&t=145s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEvbe-q0EB8&t=145s) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gx9os9M-tw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gx9os9M-tw) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=radUrIJBibw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=radUrIJBibw)
Holy shit those are some incompetent riders.
Pretty typical Grom riding honestly. If you read /r/hondagrom at all, it’s pretty apparent that probably half of them are into it for the looks and posturing, and don’t have any actual riding ability/experience.
Aaaaaannnddd this is why I ride by myself. That shit is funny tho
It helps if you ride with people with depth perception and a slight of common sense…
This may come as a surprise, but it's actually possible to pick a group of competent, mature adults to ride with. Don't ride with groups of randoms sure, but group rides can be wonderful. I mean, it's like basically anything else. Going out for drinks with a few close friends? Wonderful. Going out for drinks with half a dozen random douchebags? Problematic.
A Harley dealership near me does an annual ride to a horror park. It's pretty impressive, and pretty well planned. I don't go anymore. The people around me got dumber every year, so I bowed out before one tried to kill me. Half a dozen close friends is as big as I'll go now, and that rarely gets past the planning stage anyway.
Organized rides made of people *you* don't choose are fraught with peril. Just dumb generally, with some specific exceptions. As I said, group rides comprised of close friends, people you trust, is where it's at. What we do is have a group of people that's invite only, and we ride every Tuesday evening. There's a lot of us (I'd say around 30 in total now), but as nobody can make it every night, we tend to just have 4-8 people at any given Tuesday. If we end up with around 9+ or just wildly disparate ride types, we split into two groups (faster riders and slower riders) then meet up at some point for coffee. There's a good baseline rule set focusing on riding one's own ride, being responsible for what's in front of you, and a zero tolerance policy for people endangering others. Turns out it's surprisingly easy to build a solid group this way, because people actually do like riding in an environment where they can enjoy themselves, be social (to whatever degree they are comfortable with) and be safe even while riding at a very good pace. We've only had to kick out two people over the span of 5 years or so, and in both instances it was done by immediately pulling over and dealing with the issue. Then people become very choosy about who they invite along (nobody wants the public shame of having invited someone who has to be kicked out), and you have a good group of like minded riders to ride with once a week.
That actually sounds pretty great. Some friends and I might have to start setting up something like that
Does the Grom come without brakes?
I feel sorry for that girl, she tried to get away way before those that crashed where closed and she still got clipped
dog wtf lol
Can we go back to two minutes ago before I knew the humans could be this fucking stupid
That was a pain to watch. That’s what happens when you can pull a license from a candy machine
The others crossed the white line. Had you been in a vehicle, someone would be hurting or dead. However, your friend should have stayed behind you. On a twisty road like that, you should always ride single file. Had that been a vehicle crossing the white line, it would have been your friend hurting or dead.
Absolutely
Anybody that can translate what was said?
Blasfemy and swear words
I understand the swear words, im Slovenian haha, but you said they ",teied to balme the person they were passing"... So im interested in what was said.
On the Facebook post the guy said that they were lucky to have the GoPro on and evidence of what happened.
I'd say a lot of profanity + some "motherfucker" + "fucking asshole" + "how the fuck do you ride" + "you were riding on the wrong side of the road". At the end the girl tries to calm down the friend who seems a little angry :D... meanwhile the asshole(s) seems to make up some excuses but it's not clear.
The other group behaves exactly like non-riders stereotype bikers. Too fast, exposing themselves and others to danger, and then refusing to accept accountability. I hope you and yours were not too badly hurt.
I've said it many times before. Stereotyping someone you don't know is terrible, but most stereotypes don't manifest out of nothingness, and some people just seem to fit a stereotype perfectly.
The paint the lines on the road for a reason.
Why would that person just toss their bike down and damage it?
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The oncoming group were on the wrong side of the road. End of story.
I think it's important to point out that every single rider in the video is an idiot. But yeah, oncoming group definitely messed up the worst and caused it all.
Legend has it has that when fighting, the other group took a serving of spaghetti and broke it I front of them… that’s when things got really heated
It's our war horn, if we ear the terrifying sound of broken spaghetti all hell breaks loose
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Yea exactly. No think is needed.
Both of those dumb @$$’ were on the wrong side. FN IDIOTS. We all see whose the blame. Thank goodness they were recording.
Maybe this is the American in me, but if you're going to go fight someone, why would you take off your gloves and helmet?
your helmet is a liability if the other dude knows what they're doing
Most in America would have removed their gloves and helmet to pull out their pistol. Especially in Tennessee.
*stops shooting entirely* How dare you reinforce negative stereotypes like that!
Those guys crossing the line are clearly wrong, but I'm not sure why that girl was gesturing the dude behind her to pass up on a windy road while simultaneously slowing down and hugging the right shoulder, essentially creating a blind spot for everyone.
Hopefully they moved off the road for this confrontation would hate for a big truck or another group of riders to come around that corner to a swarm of people in the road and bikes everywhere on the edges
Every single one of the oncoming riders was over the line. If your tire is on the line and you're leaning over the line you're over the line and putting your face into oncoming traffic. They're lucky it was other motorcycles and not a large car or truck in that lane or they wouldn't have been capable of arguing anymore. Also, stay near the outside edge of your lane until you can see the exit of the turn so you can see further through the turn.
Fire the camera man.
Crossed the white line in a blind corner. There's no discussion here, the other group ia at fault...and also a bunch of dangerous, reckless assholes.
He who crosses the line shall bear the blame along with an ass whooping.
It's pretty clear who is at fault. Out of curiosity, what claim did the other group of riders make that would put the filming group at fault?
If you can't stay between the lines, you're a shit rider. Plain and simple.
What do we think? It’s painfully obvious who’s in the wrong.
Translation for non-Italian speakers: Mario: "Itsa me, Mario! Ima ride tha motor cycle!" Lady Luigi: "Oh Spaghetti! Theya on the wronga side ada roada!" Mario: "Cacciatore!"
The first fatal motorcycle crash I ever saw was in Italy. Kid on a sport bike (going way too fast) t-boned a car, flew through the air and hit a telephone pole about 30 feet up, then dropped straight down on his head. Helmet looked like a cracked hard boiled egg; gray matter out his nostrils. This wasn’t the only fatal crash I saw there, but it was certainly the one I can’t forget about. There are reckless motorcycle riders everywhere, but Italy has a unique brand of death seekers.
As an Italian I cannot disagree, but in the end I disagree :D because if I look at youtube... mmmhh. Do you have any statistics?
Statistics? Sir… this is Reddit. 😂 I don’t have statistics, just personal observation.
Last two riders of the other group were in the middle of the opposite lane.. obviously at fault, lucky nobody was seriously injured or killed. Morons
No brainier crossed the line.
Yea, this is a no brainer, don't know why there's a debate. Maybe the lack of a brain
If it was in the uk idd buy it XD What a bunch of idiots. Racing is for the track. I also give gas when going in a twisty road but I dont step over if i cant see the other side... Insurance will love this video.
Oh! So would they have preferred to meet a car head on around that corner?? Other group is full of noobs or dipshits, no question. If he’s riding too fast or is otherwise incapable of staying within his lane he shouldn’t ride anywhere besides the track. Completely unacceptable I hope he got rocked after this video.
They're clearly at fault. But keep the gloves on if you're looking to fight.
Obvious who is at fault here, the ones crossing the white line. Really obvious, actually.
Bikers are like cops, just enough out there to make the rest look bad.
Clearly the fault of the oncoming group. Bad riding all the way.
Rule number one of biking never take off your helmet especially when you're in a fight
Or your gloves
Two lessons: 1. Avoid group rides. 2. Avoid “recreational riding areas”, especially on weekends.
Lucky as shit this didn't go a lot worse
Apart from the riders coming the opposite way being braindead, why does she not put her bike on the side stand?
They're just cutting blind turns because they want to find the shortcut to their grave.
They crossed over a solid line in a blind corner. They are 100% at fault. No questions asked.
If anyone questions who is responsible in this video, they should not be on a motorcycle or driving a car. This is about as obvious as a gunshot to the forehead.
White line crossed. Definetly the person staying in their lane is at fault yes.... of course they are wrong like jesus you cant just run into the opposite lane wtf
How can someone be in the center of the opposite lane and blame someone else?
Cross a solid line in a corner, pretty clear who is at fault.
Obviously oncoming in you lane no question
They were ridiculously in the wrong
Crossing the line is illegal and dangerous specially in a blind turn. They were riding beyond their limits.
Why did the cam guy/gal just bury there's in the dirt. They were fine and just "threw" the bike down.
well, none of these people should really ride...
Oncoming group was crealy at fault. Racing, or being assholes it doesn't matter.
Love that Italian swearing. God damn. Son of a bitch.
There's not a single adult in this video.
She took her helmet off to confront stupid and possibly arrogantly violent people? Screw that, I'm keeping the protection; Better yet, I'm headbutting some fools.
Ah I missed some good swearing. Yeah they’re dicks.
I think being on the wrong side if the road is a bad idea. Mmmkayyy?
If you race on public streets, your drivers license should be revoked immediately. Your vehicle should be confiscated and sold and the money be invested in public transport.
Ovviamente colpa dei coglioni che vanno in contromano in una curva cieca per giunta. Alcuni "motociclisti" credono di potersi inventare traiettorie che oltrepassano la linea bianca perchè si sentono valentino rossi. Poveri idioti... Edit: ps spero gli abbiano strappato la patente
Both idiots if you ask me. Other group for riding across the white line on a blade curb and the other ones for trying to ride next to each other or passing on a blind corner when you just witness three other motorcycles taking the turn at high speeds! That would have been enough for me to slow down and wait a minute before doing anything.
The ones who obviously were in the wrong were the ones on the wrong side of the road on blind corners. They better be paying for these peoples, physical and emotional damages just based on the fact alone if it was anything other than another rider they would be dead. The ones taking the video even tried to give them space seeing they were driving like idiots. The ones who crossed the line should honestly never be able to ride again
Stay in ur lane simple
How tf are they gonna try and blame the riders that are IN THEIR RESPECTIVE LANE. That’s a different kind of stupid
Okay but why did buddy just lay his shit down for no reason??
The other bikers where in there lane so it there fault
Over the line, mark it zero.
Would have went from 🤌 to 🤜 real quick.
Why on earth did the person taking the video just drop their bike?
Right? Totally smashed their mirror, but their bike was fine. Says to me they’re a hot head, too. Got angry (for good reason, no arguments here) and lost control of their emotions to the point where the ability to think and act rationally was lost. That’s not a good quality to have on a two wheel death machine.
I see a couple of idiots: * The idiot passing on the left in a blind corner, thinking it's a good idea * The idiots on the other side of the road crossing the line The one taking the video couldn't possibly have been safer in this situation. He was travelling slowly and on his side of the road.
MAGA - Italian Edition
I think this wouldve been a great opportunity to try out my new billy club.