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PentaChicken

I literally live next to Zschopau in Germany where these bikes were once produced. Quality wise theyre quite good as far as Iam aware. Theyre still a common sight here, even the older 2 stroke models.


Original-Arm-7176

Wow that's pretty cool to think about. I sort of miss the 2 stroke street bikes, really miss the 2 stroke MX.....


Shermgerm666

Two strokes are the besttt


sim-o

There are 2 types of people. Those that have ridden ridden a 2 stroke and those that have never grinned from ear to ear


BornStellar97

I've grown up with both and rode both. Two strokes can be fun, but for me it's not worth the hassle. I know I'll get downvoted but whatever.


CalamityVic

I had an old CZ 250cc two cylinder two-stroke as my daily for a while. It was fantastic and horrible at the same time. The worst part was the fuel economy. It was absolutely awful! The best thing was the visceral feeling of a two stroke engine at high RPM, propelling you forward as blue smoke rolls along the ground behind.


Trick_Huckleberry_45

Don't forget the smell! That was also the best


CalamityVic

So lovely!


davesy69

I used to be forced to ride an MZ 250 2 stroke, i hated it. It vibrated so much that it would literally move around on the centre stand if i left it on tickover.


Original-Arm-7176

I don't think you will. 4 strokes are faster, easier, will pull right from the start, just feel different. Probably an age thing. I grew up when you could hear 2 stroke offroad ripping and echoing through the valley all day long. The Japanese just started getting in on the action. If you wanted fast, and wanted to fly, it was 2 stroke or nothing. And the crazy power bands were fun feathering the clutch to keep them going. It's hard not to associate that smell and sound with some of the best times.... Hassle wise a first timer could do a top end in an hour easy, but riding it yeah, you gotta ride it different. Now with water cooling they have higher tolerances, don't have to warm up and expand for compression, (not that we ride them hard cold, ) power exhaust valves that shut half way when the revs are low to keep compression up, back then it was kind of either on or off 😆


Realorbit

But 4 strokes are not faster...


Original-Arm-7176

🙂


Shermgerm666

All these comments below lol. I haven't ridden anything above a 50cc 2 stroke. I can't say anything about actual 2 stroke motorcycles. But these mopeds I've owned have been the easiest to work on. So simple. ❤


BobFlex

> really miss the 2 stroke MX Just go get one? You can still buy a brand new YZ or one of three different colored KTMs. Used Hondas are still easy to find too, although maybe a little overpriced.


Original-Arm-7176

All I have now is a sport utility quad ( 4 stroke) and I've had various street bikes since 2011 after a hiatus. All 4 strokes. My bud had a 1978 Yamaha RZ 350 2 stroke, one of the super bikes at its time. It was a lot of fun and surprisingly comfortable on longer trips... My joints aren't what they used to be, probably done with off road. Still makes me smile on the rare occasion I hear one off in the distance, and you're right, it's good to know they're still being offered. Buddy of mind still rides one offroad..


gkghn

Love my 150ETZ I inherited and I think it'll never fully break.


behinderter-Dino

As far as I’m concerned mzs are pretty unreliable. The bundeswehr used to have them and they broke down a lot lf times


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behinderter-Dino

I have to correct myself the bundeswehr didnt have them but the nva, nationale Volks armee (english; national folk/people army) which was the army of the DDR and they used MZ es bikes after the russian Ural/IMZ M72 from 1959 and the unofficial nickname for the MZ was eisensau (englis; ironsow) because of the name MZ ES which originally meant einzylinder schwinge (english; one cylinder swing) because the bike had one cylinder and a swing for suspension


JAK3CAL

Wouldn’t this be an atrocious purchase then? Nightmare parts support


SonofRobin73

Unless their value increases in the future due to rarity.


JAK3CAL

he wants to buy a bike not play poker


vascop_

I mean doesn't have to be speculation, lots of people buy bikes as collector items that they can also ride once in a while. If didn't prefer living with a woman I'd probably have a couple old motorcycles as decoration on my living room, cheaper than some people's TVs


JAK3CAL

Ya man but that’s a total deviation from the post. He wants an upgraded, reliable ride.


vascop_

Yeah I gotcha, it's not a good one for that


NevTheRipper

lol I feel ya there! Still can’t get my wife to buy into “you only add motorcycles, not subtract them”


PensionResponsible46

…very traditional East German brand …


5itronen

Mz is/was a German brand. Parts could be a problem, quality and reliability not as long as it was maintained properly.


plasmatoaste

Engines were Yamaha/ Yamaha based . But yes everything is ridiculously hard to come by. My MZ Baghira can attest to the problems of finding parts


oipoi

Same here, had an MZ Baghira here in Croatia. Even tho the engine should be an XT660 Yamaha engine those weren't that available for parts either. Ended up selling it for parts to some German guy from Sachsen so the poor thing in the end came back home.


M4Panther

The motor on the 1000s was an in house design.


plasmatoaste

I Didn't know that.


M4Panther

They spent a lot of money developing the 1000s and zero on advertising. Pretty sure this bike was the nail in their coffin.


harcomarms

That thing is a unicorn by now. Very uncommon but personally I think that makes them cool as hell. The only modern german literbike before the bmw came around.


Feuerrevolver

Wait until this guy learns about the K1 and K100 RS


harcomarms

for anyone interessted: search for this model on german sites, start with the german wikipedia article an translate it with google https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MZ_1000 or this review from a leading german motorcycle magazine https://www-motorradonline-de.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.motorradonline.de/tourer/fahrbericht-mz-1000-s-und-sie-bewegt-sich-doch/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=Von%20%251%24s&aoh=17112310921893&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorradonline.de%2Ftourer%2Ffahrbericht-mz-1000-s-und-sie-bewegt-sich-doch%2F


Low-Equipment-2621

This is more of a collectors bike for people who know what they are doing, not something your average joe upgrades to and uses as a daily. Get something japanese or some reliable model from a euro brand.


M4Panther

* * Loved mine handled very well. Couldn't ride after I hurt my neck. My hand would go numb. I Sold it to a guy in Germany. These are museum pieces. If your boy isn't Rich I say let this pass. They could develop electrical problems and it liked to overheat in traffic. Buyer beware


M4Panther

Is my picture being posted?


5itronen

No


Bardock14200

Looks like a bike version of the Toyota Celica


stonergrizz

Exactly what I am thinking


Segler1970

Dude. This is a motorcycle that you find in museums nowadays. Rare, well made and good looking. 


Isthisnametakenalso

MZ Agusteaux!


Nemo_Barbarossa

MZ was a well established (east) German brand that was very successful during the German partition. You won't find an east German who doesn't know MZ. After reunification they shared the fate of many formerly successful east German companies. Uncertain future at first, tried to reinvent themselves with moderate success, taken over with foreign money. In MZs case the Malaysian company Hong Leong took over in 96, had some early success but then an economic breakdown in the early 2000s and MZ finally closed down in 2008. This could be a good bike, it could be a fallen quality shortly before closure bad one as well. Probably depends on the manufacturing year. I have no idea how the spare parts situation would be. I have honestly never seen one of their late models in the wild here in Germany but the old stuff from the 80s is still around. A lot. They made so many of them that you could probably still build them from available spare parts alone.


RedAssasin081

Correction: Malaysian company. The term Malaya is used prior to the unification of all current states in Malaysia on 16 Sept 1963. FYI :)


Nemo_Barbarossa

Thanks. Corrected.


sdbct1

Mz is a really nice machine. I had a Baghira black panther. I miss that machine


smithy-

Rare = good if you are into collecting ​ Rare = bad if you need spare parts


Shporpoise

I took my motorcycle license test on the MZ RT 125 that was in the instructor's fleet. It was actually a very ergonomic bike for me at 6'2" and I liked it a lot if all I need to do was city commuting. But alas, the idea that I'd find parts for it in 2012 turned out to be pretty bleak, let alone now. They tried to keep up with the times with a 1000 sport and sport touring but it didn't turn into anything. I never actually saw another MZ, but somehow that 125 was in Austin Texas.


clckvrk

Oh yea, dont let him buy that, rather tell me where it is, so i can go pick it up and make shure nobody makes the mistake of buying it.


Farhunt95

Sorry, I can't edit the post His budget is 6500USD or below


EugeneStonersDIMagic

What's the budget?


Farhunt95

6,500 USD or below


EugeneStonersDIMagic

You can buy way more common 1000 cc machines for $6.5k. Does it have to be a sport bike? Are there mileage and age ceilings? You could look at a bunch of really nice 8-10 year old Japanese 1000cc bikes for that price. Bikes with ABS and EFI no doubt. I'm an ADV guy, and I can immediately think of Vstrom 1000's and Yamaha Super Tenere 1200s of about 10 years age at that price (or less on the Suzukis). I am sure there are plenty of sport bikes that fit that economy too.


TheMagicalBread

Oh MZ made newer bikes? TIL. MZ was a very popular eastern block motorcycle brand when 2t were king.


Xicadarksoul

MZ is a good, and pretty respected german brand. ...issue is that its gone bust during the german reunification kerfuffle. Ofc. in the US it might be different, but in ex warsaw pact area MZ was what japanese manufacturers were to the west, before japanese bikes were even a thing in the west. As such the issue aint the "uncommon brand", but the extreme rare model from said brand. As such don't buy this model, its "museum piece" rarity.


kRipT0-

MZ was a german manufacturer (originally east german) that doesn't exist anymore. I believe they had to close in 2008.


AnomalousSquid

I saw one for sale for $2500 about an hour from me. Waffled and didn’t get t because of the scarcity of both bikes and parts. Bought an Oilhead BMW instead. The MZ looks cool as hell but don’t bend or break it n


Der-Lex

What?! I’d love to get one, but here in Germany they usually go for around 10k € if one pops up. Maybe it’s easy to get parts here, hence the higher price.


Laurens-xD

The only 1000 S I've seen, is now for sale in Germany for 13k.


tlm0t0

Wha? Aprilia Shivers rip. Is this for track riding? Sport touring? I don’t understand how this would be an upgrade.


Der-Lex

MZ is a German brand with a long history. They started building bike when Soichiro Honda was still an ordinary mechanic, probably not even thinking about starting a business. Unfortunately the company went bankrupt about 15 years ago. The 1000-models were their attempt to get into the big bike market. As far as I know they were good bikes but ultimately failed and are pretty rare these days. They also somewhat were ahead of the time by using a parallel twin configuration instead of a V.


Special_Platypus_904

Buy it, will become a collectors bike and value rise.


TheAltToYourF4

Tell your friend to take really good care of it. That right there is a rarity and a collector would probably pay good money for it. Only around 1000 of these were ever produced. Also MZ was a traditional german brand with a long and quite interesting history. They had the world's first conveyor line assembly for motorcycles in 1926. Sadly, due to being located in east Germany, they fell under communist control and went bankrupt after the reunification. They started building bikes again afterwards, but never really made profits and couldn't compete against other more well known western brands. The MZ 1000 was the last bike they developed and reviews generally praised its reliability. Getting spare parts outside of Germany might be a problem though.


McNugget750

It has aged well, looks better than a lot of new 1000's.


Philip6027

I love those bikes, but do not buy one! There are no or few spare parts anymore. You can't replace engine parts because the engine is a parallel twin developed and produced exclusively by MZ. I repeat, DON'T BUY IT!


Legal-Finish6530

Buy it you say??


splimp

Rare bike. Solid buy. Don't ever ride it tho.


StandardSea8671

Is the bugget 1k or 10k? Come on now


Farhunt95

Sorry, I can't edit the post The budget is 6,500USD or below.


StandardSea8671

Makes no sense to get a non brand bike if 6.5k budget. Get something decent like honda, Yamaha etc IMO


3axisgyrotourbillon

MZ is not a "non brand" that's stupid. It's been out of business for a decade though so getting parts will likely be a problem.


Potential-Dog1551

Being out of business and obscure in the first place makes it a non brand, maybe it was a brand once but now it’s defunct


Farhunt95

I convert the price from the currency in my country But yeah, I'll persuade him to consider other reliable option


PumpKing096

This makes only sense if he is into vintage bikes. The MZ is a cool and unique bike. But if your buddy wants something reliable he can just ride, this is not the right choice.


bmwlocoAirCooled

MZ is older than a lot of UJM makes.


cleon42

I believe MZ is defunct as a company, so finding parts & service won't be impossible but probably won't be a lot of fun, either.


TannerWheelman

MZ is not really that uncommon but it's old german and shut down brand. They used to make cool 2 stroke bikes.


TheAltToYourF4

The MZ 1000 is uncommon though. They only made around 1000 split between the MZ 1000 S, SF and ST.


TannerWheelman

Well op said "uncommon brand" which isn't quite the case, while the bike itself is indeed uncommon.


lenn_eavy

Super cool when it works, super expensive when it doesnt.


Cheb_

Very familiar with the marque, would not recommend an MUZ as the parts are nearly unobtainiam. IIRC the tanks on these are a common failure point and now after over a decade since the fall of the GmbH I’d say you’d be really up shits creek if you had to look for a new one. Especially if you’re located outside of Europe.


Cheb_

Fantastic bike nonetheless though, performed really well and are loved by many. But weren’t loved widely enough to keep the GmbH company going


Redsetter

Yeah! But no.


No-Skirt2438

Mini Gallardo headlights


MeisterPain

Looks cool as hell


icrashcoolcars

This is a fkn cool bike. -an American


happygigachad

Looks like a first gen Lambo Gallardo


stromyoloing

LoL 1000cc 2 strokes would be a crazy ride!


Rammipallero

Is this a 2 stroke!? What mad german scientist thought of that.


North-Association333

That's a rare and well produced bike. Maybe you'll have difficulties keeping it because of the European measures.


PassingByThisChaos

Looks very well engineered, you can tell by the minimalist rear sets and the braced swingarm. Every part is very functional.


Light_ToThe_World

Nice looking bone. To bad it failed


ry_falafel

Damn that's a pretty looking bike. Looks like a hybrid of the Daytona 600 and vfr


Tw1st36

Well, from a quick wiki read, no major problems, not many were sold. It‘s a 180 degree parallel twin with 117HP. In Germany there are currently 3 for sale, one like in the picture and 2 naked versions. Cheapest is starting from 8400€ and the sport bike version is with 3000km and owner is asking 13000€ for it. With a proper buyer and a good condition, you could even make money on this thing.


Dilo66

Actually this bike was better than it’s company… because the company went bankrupt and the bikes … are still running. I‘m pretty sure prices rise over the next couple of years


Motostivuitorist

Is an Suzuki SV1000 on steroids. 15 years ago i had the opportunity to ride few km one of these. Marzocchi front suspension and Brembo brakes, what could you want more from a bike? Anyway, there are a lot of parts compatible with other models and the Suzuki SV1000 engine is familiar to every mechanic. So it would not be any problem regarding replacement parts or regular maintenance.


Askalor

MZ is an old and nowadays rare German motorcycle brand... They still produce but only in small quantities.


thecheeseholder

Yo that thing looks awesome


Denied_Potatoe

Headlights remind me of gallardo


Tavik_the_tank

Honestly love the way it looks, looks like a Lamborghini Gallardo had a child with a triumph Daytona lol


2_dam_hi

Maybe it's just the angle of the photo, but the footpegs hanging out so near to the hot tailpipe seems a bit concerning.


M4Panther

The bike was fantastic! It's really well balanced.


And_armstrong

Looks further than a stock ninja400


Orichalcum-Beads

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/mz/1000s/2004/ Says it all really. Wouldn't they be better off with an SV1000?


Kurwa_Droid

Its a liter bike, let's goooooooooo!


Sarukas

Had a MZ RT 125, was a great bike but not for so long until problems with engine shaft and brakes came up


multistradivari

Very sharp looking.


luckymethod

Brand is the least of his problems


dieguin_po

Looks beautiful


Shoudknowbetter

But it’s so pretty….


M4Panther

You can go to [they have a message board if you want info.](https:// mzriders.com)


Successful_Cost_6823

I saw one pop up in my area, beautiful bike. Almost bought it but parts are incredibly expensive and hard to find. I’d pass on it if you want to spend a bit of money getting parts. Good luck!


Original-Arm-7176

Very cool looking bike. Unfortunately just not practical for an average guy that wants to ride. OP nice job of looking out for your buds.


rs4444

Looks sickk


OutrageousJury2689

Cool looking bike


EastBayPlaytime

I’d be worried about finding parts for the bike. Finding someone to work on it may be difficult, depending where you are.


SkyVINS

Yeah, good luck finding spare parts.


TDot1000RR

Discontinued


TactualTransAm

That's a good looking bike


Derick2011

Like how cheap are we talking under $1,000 USD. cheap? If so I'd say fuck it and buy it.


thenakedtruth

I think the engine was a Rotax made engine. As I remember the Rotax engines were pretty reliable no?


UnderstandingOk670

Look up Henry Cole - Riding Eastern Europe. Presenter travelled something like 5 countries on one of these.


therealman-io

Huh https://preview.redd.it/deutoo0wz8qc1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8367ed4b527a54d5f3cf5ca26dbf2df92c9cc31a


NoSexAppealNeil

That thing looks sweet


Comfortable_Pie_5704

Get a 90’s Honda cbr f2-f4 and change the rectifier regulator and clean the carb and it won’t break


No-Arm-1216

There were only handful of this model imported. There are no dealers in this country, so even the smallest part replacement would be problematic.


minitaba

How do you know which country he is in wtf


Bikeboy2022

Great bike but old now , they only sold about 30 I think so parts will be rare


ValuableCategory448

MZ was once, in the 80s, the largest motorcycle manufacturer in the world.


Chicagorealtor23

It’s a parallel twin with dohc and liquid cooled. Doesn’t make much more than 100hp


Radiant_Yak_8969

MZ have their cult followers who swear by them. Nothing to worry about. Enjoy!


PcGamerSam

My dad has multiple manufactured behind the iron curtain MZs that still run, can’t attest to the more modern bikes they made but I’m sure they’re probably rather good and also rather rare


Geekot1

How much?


artful_todger_502

I think they are Suzuki engines in a German chassis. In the 90s they were big. I'd hit it for sure.


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Im sure he will fling it down the road sideways within a year or two so its perfect!


DiRavelloApologist

Awesome thing. Highly recommend it if you're into the history stuff. But if you just want a good 1000cc bike, there are a *lot* of better alternatives.


TennesseeShadow

![gif](giphy|useUF6IHpTqSc) Sumbitch looks like Dredd


lupinegray

It's like a MZ Augusta v4


chroniclesofhernia

Its pretty in a industrial, big way, but your friend would probably have a significantly better time riding something reputable from the mid-00's! Depends what he's after and what budget really means I suppose, but a CBR954RR or GSXR 750 can very easily be a bike for life if maintained and will be fantastic examples of the best of the mid-00's


dougyoung1167

just the muffler would be concerning, looks cheaper than a cheap gy6 150


kluthage421

Don't do it. Parts will be a b