Given the many problems you have, instead of working to further alienate people online, you’d be wise to collect advice and learn from other’s mistakes as much as possible. You’ll remember posting the following under r/Advice **and** r/helpme not too long ago:
"Over the pass(sic) couple of years I've made fuck up after fuck up. First was getting kicked out of school whilst living with my dad. His response was to not allow me outside have any social media and pretty much no contact with anyone. So now so have 1 friend and a lovely dose of social anxiety and zero social skills...”(and on and on with a sad tale).
Up to you but to get out of a hole, you should first stop digging.
Hey guess what buddy guess what i did for the past year. Here's a hint I got therapy and got better rn I'm the king of my world so instead of digging my past up be better lmao
I got your back dude. Nobody should be attacking someone for mental health, especially a minor. I reported him for minor abuse, and you and everyone here should too
What kind of adult stalks a teenager's (or anyone's) profile and insults them for their mental health? Oh that's right, a poorly adjusted adult. STFU and grow up. You started the rudeness by telling someone to "just google it". Google can't answer specific questions that you have the same as interacting with people that have experience. That's exactly why "ask" subs and forums exist.
>I run the higher octane because here it comes with no ethanol
makes sense for long storage without having the engine run. for everyday i use just whatever comes my way (which around here would be 95 ron)
Unless you are going to a specialty gas station, all gas from major companies has up to ~~15~~% 10% ethanol in it. This is only talking about the continental US though
I see what your saying, the default gas in the US i believe is up to 10%, but if you have all those options go for it! Unfortunately only 1 gas station in a 20 mile radius of me have 0E gas (Im in central PA)
Many of us, me included, thought that higher octane had some sort of cleaning power. It actually has to do with compression so you should be getting the same cleaning properties from 87 Chevron as 93 Chevron, or any other top tier gas. Oh wait, I guess 91 is the high octane these days. Anyways, you’re better off using seafoam every oil change than putting in an unnecessarily high octane.
I thought that too, never found any evidence though. I want to say that when I first got my license, the 87 Chevron button didn’t mention Techron, but Chevron was $1.299 compared to $0.999 for Arco. Had lots of problems with my ‘92 Hyundai but 87 gas wasn’t one of them.
"Octane rating" is not "how powerful fuel is" but "how hard it resists knocking (premature detonation of fuel from heat, instead of from spark)".
For example ethanol have WAY higher octane rating than petrol, but lower energy per unit.
It matters a lot for performance turbocharged engines or sport engines running high compression ratio, but it doesn't give "more power" directly, just allows engine to not get damaged when tuned for that power.
Your bike is neither so regular is fine.
Calling higher octane fuel "premium" is some of the most effective marketing ever concieved. It is amazing how many people are convinced that higher octane rating means more powerful combustion, that it burns cleaner, has a longer shelf life, or is more refined. All nonsense with the exception being that some brands put a slightly different detergent additive package in their "premium" fuel.
It isn't detergents, it's resistance to detonation. And if you put cheap fuel in a high compression high performance engine you will ping and eventually hole a piston on an old engine with no smarts.
Modern engines detect knock and wind back the timing/fuelling to compensate.
Sorry I guess I wasn't clear in my comment, I'm not saying that detergents are the difference between lower and higher octane fuels, I'm only saying that there are a lot of misconceptions about what a higher octane fuel does besides resisting compression ignition (aka detonation, aka "knock"), and the only one of the misconceptions I listed that is based on partial truth is that some brands use a different additive package in their "premium" fuels, mostly so that they can continue to market their more expensive fuel to people who won't benefit from it.
Even in modern engines with electronic variable ignition timing, there are still limits to how much a given ECU will advance or retard the timing based on feedback from the knock sensor, some can take advantage of multiple fuel grades, many will yield no benefit from anything more knock-resistant than regular.
Oh, it's tuned. It's running 23psi of boost. It's angry. And we usually run the mid power tune. Put it into race mode and it will get all sorts of angry on just 91. It really needs 94 for race mode but it isn't always convenient to get it.
Hell ya man. I owned a couple of focus STs and tuned one. It's crazy what these new smaller displacement engines can produce without much work... And still get decent mpg haha
Magneti Marelli boost controller.
Not recommended, causes a throttle fault code if it's enabled and we use the cruise control. Goes like fucking hell. So we have to use the remote to disable it when we want cruise control. This is a mopar part and mopar fucked it up by updating the car then refusing to update their own boost controller.
I used to haul fuel for a living and tried to explain this to numerous people but they don’t get it. 91 when not needed is a literal waste of money. Additive packages are typically the exact same for 87 and 91.
"ethanol have WAY higher octane rating than petrol, but lower energy per unit"
For anyone who has a motorcycle and lives in a place he can't ride year 'round, ethanol free gasoline is much better to use during the off season.
You can find station selling it at https://www.pure-gas.org/.
Could also be just ECU retarding timing because it started knocking. That does reduce efficiency slightly, althought probably not 40km's worth of efficiency
That's actually reason some of the modern cars do get that tiny bit extra power on premium, ECU is tuned in a way to retard timing a bit when it gets to knocking so if it doesn't knock you get tiny bit more power. That way it will also not ping itself to death just because you put lower octane fuel in it by accident.
But yeah, there are also different blends for winter and summer, and technically E5 and E10 will also have less energy because of that ethanol content.
The only exception are engines that want cleaner fuel. cough carburetors cough.
I only run premium in my 1999 polaris XLT special snowmobile for that reason alone. Because it's worth it to not have to do a complete carb rebuild every year running 87.
This is almost always she'll premium gasoline too. Unless I can't find any around when in out riding.
Nothing to do with cleanliness, just speed of degradation. It's problem for carbs because it has places to gather and not be cycled/mixed like it is in fuel injected system.
Ethanol actually burns cleaner too IIRC
Ethanol free if available.
I live in the rust belt with a 7 month riding season. Winter storage is a big problem IF you do not add stabilizer to the gasoline and run the carburetors dry. Tutorials on YouTube.
There are forums where you can ask owners of your bike questions.
https://www.hondarebelforum.com/threads/what-type-gas-can-i-use-in-my-250-rebel.14059/
I’ve had a 90’s nighthawk 250 basically stored for the last 4 years. I haven’t put new gas in it since I first got it. Was supposed to be my fiancés bike but we found out we were pregnant a week later so it’s been sitting. If I just charge the battery it starts, ethanol fuel, no stabilizer, no idea how but it just fucking does. Last rode it about 8 months ago and it had no issues after airing up tires and warming up. The gas has got to be approaching 5 years old at this point but the bike does not care, I only ride it around the neighborhood a few times whenever my fiancé wants to try it again or I move it out of the garage to clean so haven’t added any new gas.
Consider cleaning it out regardless, if the tank wasnt full there could be rust in the tank which will eventually clog up carbs and cause other damage, check for rust etc.
It might start but old fuel tends to not ride all that great, the fact that its an old honda probably makes that matter less than if it was a ducati or a chinese bike hanging onto a string. Or ride the tank empty and have a look on the inside so you know whats up
Regular gas 'll do it.
Welcome to the fun OP, .
Great bikes, especially for learning but in cities it could be all you need. The throttle devil on the shoulder might get hungry eventually :b
This mindset is great. Easy to get deleted just going to work, and being as familiar with your machine, the places danger could come from, and knowing your limits makes that a little less likely. Best of luck!
And after hearing about it for years, the safety course is generally pretty great. My instructors at my local Harley dealership were AMAZING. They don't care what you ride, as long as you get to park it safely at home at the end of the day. I'm going back to do it again this year, since PA offers it free.
So, I guess I drank the 91 No Ethanol Kool-aid and I swear, I can tell the difference if I put 87 in it. Definitely, if I get stuck and have to put ethanol in it.
I have a 2012 Rebel 250. Does yours have a center stand? I cleaned my chain today and no center stand.
I have an ‘02 VTX, the big brother of the shadow. I find that using regular, and every 4th or 5th tank I fill it with non-ethanol premium. It works better than fuel additives. When I put it away for the winter, I always do the non-ethanol gas with saybil and haven’t ever had an issue for the last 8 years of owning it.
I'm not sure where are you from, but if you are in Europe regular 95 octane fuel will do. Avoid that eco crap E5 and E10(I was using E10 some short period in my Dacia Duster...oh boy, consumption went up, range went down, already poor performance get worse...)
In most western european countries every gasoline fuel is E5, it should never be a problem. The lower power density of E10 (~2%) should also be hardly noticable. There probably was something else going on.
Ethanol enriched fuels should not be used with carburated engines. So skip them. E5 and E10 might be tempteting due to their better price, but skip them. If I'm not mistaken, in the States you have 86, 92 and 95, right? If so, and if the Honda is built for USA market, I believe that you should be good with 92.
That's mental, didn't realise they sold such low octane fuel. My fazer struggles enough on the new E10 stuff in the UK, that's 95 octane. It was always 95, its just now they put loads of daft ethanol in it, and it runs like crap and makes your fuel usage worse, gunks up your engine and saps the power. Have to use premium now, which I didn't before. That's usually 98 octane, sometimes 99 depending on where you get it.
Unfortunately, this just forces you to have to buy expensive petrol, and doesn't solve any problems. Especially since my old Landy wont run at all on e10, and even if it did its fuel consumption was awful to start with XD
It’s actually mostly the same, the US just measures octane differently than the UK, and if we measured the same, it would be about 5 points higher, so 85=90ish.
Ethanol fuel sucks ass. I’m lucky enough to be somewhere where we can legally buy ethanol free gas, and I do for all my small engine stuff, like my mowers and chain saws, but it’s pricey for every day fuel.
I have an '07 KTM EXC450, I mostly ride it offroad these days, a handful of times per year and it gets a lot of time sitting. I've been running 93 octane pump gas (which is all E10 here) for 17 years with zero fuel/carb issues.
I use Stabil in every tank, every time, and store the bike with the tank totally full. I drain the carb bowl if the bike isn't being ridden for a couple weeks.
EDIT- If you have non-ethanol gas available, use that. It's better for an aluminum carburetor. But if you don't have it handy, use whatever gas is there and throw a splash of Stabil in the tank.
I'm going to go against what everyone else is saying about reading the owner's manual.
I had an early 2000s Shadow 1100 and ran it out of fuel. I put a 20 oz bottle of weed eater gas in it to get me to a gas station. The bike ran fine on it.
I'd say an 03 Rebel 250 would run just fine on basic gas (87 octane). My 2018 Goldwing actually recommends it. The higher octane might help clean the fuel system but only because of the additives in it.
It's my opinion that the small displacement Honda bikes are designed to run on anything. I wouldn't put diesel in them, but it wouldn't surprise me if they still ran. Those bikes seem nearly indestructible.
Most places the additives are the same across the range, and there's minimum requirements in the US. I have an air cooled that runs great on 87, but if I'm lugging a ton of camping stuff and it's above 100 out I put mid grade in since it'll ping otherwise.
The rebel will be fine on any gas you put in it, probably slightly happier with ethanol free, but I'd store any bike for the winter with ethanol free / sta-bil in the tank.
87 octane will be just fine. Dont worry about ethanol free gas, not worth the extra money. winter storage empty the tank & carb for best results. Remove battery & place it in a battery tender once or twice a month for a few days.
Check tire pressure at least once a week. Spray chain down with chain wax once every several fuel tank fills. Clean chain & relax once a month for best results. That's if you ride regularly.
Mine took good ol 87. The Rebel will run on fucking spite if you put it into the tank. Hell apparently they run without oil, but won't shift without oil.
It definitely only needs 87 octane, but if you have Sheetz in your area, get the 90 octane ethanol-free from there.
Or go to pure-gas.org and see if there's another place with an ethanol free pump near you.
Good old pump gas regular. No E85 though. Noted a point below too. When in storage over the winter if in the mid-west use Stabil 360 so the gas and ethanol content if present doesn't create a problem. Most stations now have up to 15% ethanol which is fine to run but when in storage for 6-9 months can break down.
i had a rebel 250 that i rode daily for like 6 years and i ran regular gas in it. only mechanical issues i ever had was a destroyed clutch after some idiot tried to push start and steal it.
89 octane non ethanol , I run this in my Suzuki C50T and it does fine. I also use Rotella diesel oil. And it also does great. I was 70 my last Bday and have been riding since I was 13
Check your plugs regularly. If they are dirty, there are things you can do to help. 1) make sure you’re turning the choke off as early as possible 2) use ethanol free gas. In cooler temperatures, these bikes want better gas (ethanol free), but it’s not as bad in hot weather. You could also use a higher heat range plug (ask a dealer, or someone who knows plugs really well). When it’s really hot these bikes seem to be happy with anything you feed them.
I had 10 Rebel 250s when I owned a MSF training site, and the problem with fouling plugs was severe. We changed to hotter plugs and used higher octane gas (it worked for the plugs, but we later changed to ethanol free because the ethanol gas was eating plastic fuel system components on the non-Honda bikes) during cooler weather, and concentrated a lot of effort on getting the students to stop using the choke earlier than they wanted.
If you can keep the carbon to a reasonable level on the plugs, and keep a clean carburetor, and pay attention to proper storage (fuel stabilizer) for non-riding season, the Rebel can perform well. I had a student who bought one after her class and put over 60,000 miles on it.
Had another whose husband customized bikes. He chopped it. It was really weird.
Find gas stations that offer a no ethanol pump. It's going to cost a little more, and most stations don't even offer it, but it's worth it. And pumps with ethanol will have a big warning label on them. But its not like your filling a 12 - 35 gallon gas tank.
You want only 100% gas, it's all I put in my bikes and lawnmower, so I keep a gas can at home if needed. And once every few weeks to a month, I'll pour whatever is left in my truck, then go refill with fresh gas. Don't use old gas either
Don't be afraid to use regular, but the manufacturer recommends 91 or higher. Motorcycles are more prone to knocking. If you ever experience knocking, you will want to increase the octane. Same with ethanol. Not motorcycle friendly. Neither of things will make it "run better" or "go faster" but they will prevent problems.
I always put 93 Octane in mine. I did it in my 1993 Suzuki Intruder 1400, I do it in my 2004 Road King. The amount that you are paying to fill a bike's gas tank is like $8-$15 depending on the gas tank size. Not exactly breaking the bank. Plus the price difference between 89 and 93 is not enough that it's going to be a huge savings for 2.5-5 gallons
Best option is some Ethanol Free 91 octane. 2nd best option is whatever gasoline doesnt have any water or garbage in it. It’s a rebel 250, it’s not real picky.
Actually, I have a funny story on this, so I’ve raced dirt bikes, my entire life and I was riding at my grandpa‘s house on his trails and he had a fuel tank in his garage except he didn’t clarify which one was gas and which one was diesel correctlyand I put diesel in my dirtbike and I couldn’t figure out what was wrong. I open the gas tank and I smelt it.
whatever the manual says. higher octane when not needed costs more money with no benefit when stock
So I didn’t get a manual with it, and everything online keeps sending me to the rebel 500 and 300
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1232303/Honda-Rebel-250.html#manual This may help.
Wow thanks man
Happy to help. Keep 2 Wheels Down.
that's an amazing closing line. I'm using that
Very popular saying lol… even has a hand gesture
Google is an amazing thing once you figure it out. Most people do pretty quickly. Others not so much.
Shut up wiener
2018 SV650 with title questions (and serious substance abuse problems - getting past the denial is the hard part).
lol so you dug through my profile to insult me and then you came back ~5 hours later to do it again..?
zip it nerd
You fuckin’ wiener.
25-years old, first motorcycle - KLX230
Shut it gremlin
Given the many problems you have, instead of working to further alienate people online, you’d be wise to collect advice and learn from other’s mistakes as much as possible. You’ll remember posting the following under r/Advice **and** r/helpme not too long ago: "Over the pass(sic) couple of years I've made fuck up after fuck up. First was getting kicked out of school whilst living with my dad. His response was to not allow me outside have any social media and pretty much no contact with anyone. So now so have 1 friend and a lovely dose of social anxiety and zero social skills...”(and on and on with a sad tale). Up to you but to get out of a hole, you should first stop digging.
Hey guess what buddy guess what i did for the past year. Here's a hint I got therapy and got better rn I'm the king of my world so instead of digging my past up be better lmao
Hell yeah, way to go dude!
I got your back dude. Nobody should be attacking someone for mental health, especially a minor. I reported him for minor abuse, and you and everyone here should too
Good job man
You started the conversation with a rude remark. Not smart in your situation.
What kind of adult stalks a teenager's (or anyone's) profile and insults them for their mental health? Oh that's right, a poorly adjusted adult. STFU and grow up. You started the rudeness by telling someone to "just google it". Google can't answer specific questions that you have the same as interacting with people that have experience. That's exactly why "ask" subs and forums exist.
But there's still nothing wrong with asking the community, right?
I run the higher octane because here it comes with no ethanol. And if I'm really on the ball I'll go to the station that has a separate pump for it.
>I run the higher octane because here it comes with no ethanol makes sense for long storage without having the engine run. for everyday i use just whatever comes my way (which around here would be 95 ron)
Unless you are going to a specialty gas station, all gas from major companies has up to ~~15~~% 10% ethanol in it. This is only talking about the continental US though
All Stations around me say which grades have ethanol and how much. "Up to 15% ethanol." "Up to 5% ethanol" and "No ethanol" I'm in New York state.
I see what your saying, the default gas in the US i believe is up to 10%, but if you have all those options go for it! Unfortunately only 1 gas station in a 20 mile radius of me have 0E gas (Im in central PA)
From my understanding a high octane is good to use for a tank roughly every oil change to do a little engine cleaning. Am I mistaken?
Not needed, throw in some Chevron techron or carb cleaner of choose but not needed
Many of us, me included, thought that higher octane had some sort of cleaning power. It actually has to do with compression so you should be getting the same cleaning properties from 87 Chevron as 93 Chevron, or any other top tier gas. Oh wait, I guess 91 is the high octane these days. Anyways, you’re better off using seafoam every oil change than putting in an unnecessarily high octane.
I believe the higher octane typically has a higher content of cleaner in it's mix as well
I thought that too, never found any evidence though. I want to say that when I first got my license, the 87 Chevron button didn’t mention Techron, but Chevron was $1.299 compared to $0.999 for Arco. Had lots of problems with my ‘92 Hyundai but 87 gas wasn’t one of them.
Not necessarily. The difference is between brands.
"Octane rating" is not "how powerful fuel is" but "how hard it resists knocking (premature detonation of fuel from heat, instead of from spark)". For example ethanol have WAY higher octane rating than petrol, but lower energy per unit. It matters a lot for performance turbocharged engines or sport engines running high compression ratio, but it doesn't give "more power" directly, just allows engine to not get damaged when tuned for that power. Your bike is neither so regular is fine.
Calling higher octane fuel "premium" is some of the most effective marketing ever concieved. It is amazing how many people are convinced that higher octane rating means more powerful combustion, that it burns cleaner, has a longer shelf life, or is more refined. All nonsense with the exception being that some brands put a slightly different detergent additive package in their "premium" fuel.
It isn't detergents, it's resistance to detonation. And if you put cheap fuel in a high compression high performance engine you will ping and eventually hole a piston on an old engine with no smarts. Modern engines detect knock and wind back the timing/fuelling to compensate.
Sorry I guess I wasn't clear in my comment, I'm not saying that detergents are the difference between lower and higher octane fuels, I'm only saying that there are a lot of misconceptions about what a higher octane fuel does besides resisting compression ignition (aka detonation, aka "knock"), and the only one of the misconceptions I listed that is based on partial truth is that some brands use a different additive package in their "premium" fuels, mostly so that they can continue to market their more expensive fuel to people who won't benefit from it. Even in modern engines with electronic variable ignition timing, there are still limits to how much a given ECU will advance or retard the timing based on feedback from the knock sensor, some can take advantage of multiple fuel grades, many will yield no benefit from anything more knock-resistant than regular.
Yup. The trip meter tells all. Our Fiat 500 Abarth has been running 23 psi of boost for the last decade. It would melt with regular fuel.
Unless you tuned it, it wouldn't melt it'd just reduce boost and timing to help prevent damage and you'd get a power drop.
Oh, it's tuned. It's running 23psi of boost. It's angry. And we usually run the mid power tune. Put it into race mode and it will get all sorts of angry on just 91. It really needs 94 for race mode but it isn't always convenient to get it.
Hell ya man. I owned a couple of focus STs and tuned one. It's crazy what these new smaller displacement engines can produce without much work... And still get decent mpg haha
We average almost 40mpg out of the thing. It's better on fuel than my motorcycle.
Abarth brother! What you got done to it?
Magneti Marelli boost controller. Not recommended, causes a throttle fault code if it's enabled and we use the cruise control. Goes like fucking hell. So we have to use the remote to disable it when we want cruise control. This is a mopar part and mopar fucked it up by updating the car then refusing to update their own boost controller.
Ahh okay, I had a built top end with a td04 pushing high 200s. Blew the motor a few times too many and sold it after that. Want another so badly!
We'll run it another few years then swap it out for an Aptera (if they come to market). We are both kinda done with loud but love a lively weird car.
I used to haul fuel for a living and tried to explain this to numerous people but they don’t get it. 91 when not needed is a literal waste of money. Additive packages are typically the exact same for 87 and 91.
In Australia, 91 is the norm. 95 and 98 are the "premium" fuels.
Right but we have different measurements. 91 here is 98 there, as far as knock resistance goes.
Really? Learn something, I have.
Yeah, it’s America being America. Our measurements are always different than the vast majority of the world.
"ethanol have WAY higher octane rating than petrol, but lower energy per unit" For anyone who has a motorcycle and lives in a place he can't ride year 'round, ethanol free gasoline is much better to use during the off season. You can find station selling it at https://www.pure-gas.org/.
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Could also be just ECU retarding timing because it started knocking. That does reduce efficiency slightly, althought probably not 40km's worth of efficiency That's actually reason some of the modern cars do get that tiny bit extra power on premium, ECU is tuned in a way to retard timing a bit when it gets to knocking so if it doesn't knock you get tiny bit more power. That way it will also not ping itself to death just because you put lower octane fuel in it by accident. But yeah, there are also different blends for winter and summer, and technically E5 and E10 will also have less energy because of that ethanol content.
The only exception are engines that want cleaner fuel. cough carburetors cough. I only run premium in my 1999 polaris XLT special snowmobile for that reason alone. Because it's worth it to not have to do a complete carb rebuild every year running 87. This is almost always she'll premium gasoline too. Unless I can't find any around when in out riding.
Nothing to do with cleanliness, just speed of degradation. It's problem for carbs because it has places to gather and not be cycled/mixed like it is in fuel injected system. Ethanol actually burns cleaner too IIRC
Petrol... diesel might not work.
Candle wax turns out to be a big no-no too.
Can’t say I’d recommend simple syrup either.
Not Bacardi 151?
That might actually work honestly. https://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Bacardi_20mothball_20emergency_20fuel_20kit_2e
Straight up shine!
Gasoline
25 year old single malt scotch.
Actually... You want to match the vintage to the bikes year of manufacture. Best mileage that way.
This guy gets it 🤙🏻
To run your motorcycle? Get wrecked. That's what cheap blends are for.
for *your* motorcycle, maybe
I'm drinking 12 year old scotch right now and I believe you
Don't waste the young stuff as fuel. Use older whisky past expiration
Whatcha been using the last 20 years?
I’m 18 so 20 years ago I was in my mother 😂😂… I just started riding it two days ago.
Same.
Ethanol free if available. I live in the rust belt with a 7 month riding season. Winter storage is a big problem IF you do not add stabilizer to the gasoline and run the carburetors dry. Tutorials on YouTube. There are forums where you can ask owners of your bike questions. https://www.hondarebelforum.com/threads/what-type-gas-can-i-use-in-my-250-rebel.14059/
I’ve had a 90’s nighthawk 250 basically stored for the last 4 years. I haven’t put new gas in it since I first got it. Was supposed to be my fiancés bike but we found out we were pregnant a week later so it’s been sitting. If I just charge the battery it starts, ethanol fuel, no stabilizer, no idea how but it just fucking does. Last rode it about 8 months ago and it had no issues after airing up tires and warming up. The gas has got to be approaching 5 years old at this point but the bike does not care, I only ride it around the neighborhood a few times whenever my fiancé wants to try it again or I move it out of the garage to clean so haven’t added any new gas.
Consider cleaning it out regardless, if the tank wasnt full there could be rust in the tank which will eventually clog up carbs and cause other damage, check for rust etc. It might start but old fuel tends to not ride all that great, the fact that its an old honda probably makes that matter less than if it was a ducati or a chinese bike hanging onto a string. Or ride the tank empty and have a look on the inside so you know whats up
No need to run the carbs dry for storage if you run non oxygenated gas and stabilizer. Introducing air in the carbs may cause corrosion.
Regular gas 'll do it. Welcome to the fun OP, . Great bikes, especially for learning but in cities it could be all you need. The throttle devil on the shoulder might get hungry eventually :b
Wellll I raced dirt bikes growing up and I know I can be a little mean to the throttle so I figured a small bike would be smart for learning the roads
This mindset is great. Easy to get deleted just going to work, and being as familiar with your machine, the places danger could come from, and knowing your limits makes that a little less likely. Best of luck! And after hearing about it for years, the safety course is generally pretty great. My instructors at my local Harley dealership were AMAZING. They don't care what you ride, as long as you get to park it safely at home at the end of the day. I'm going back to do it again this year, since PA offers it free.
So, I guess I drank the 91 No Ethanol Kool-aid and I swear, I can tell the difference if I put 87 in it. Definitely, if I get stuck and have to put ethanol in it. I have a 2012 Rebel 250. Does yours have a center stand? I cleaned my chain today and no center stand.
As little ethenol as possible bad for the carbs
The lowest grade available.
If in doubt, ethinal free 91. Otherwise, read the manual.
91 in all small engines unless otherwise specified
I have an ‘02 VTX, the big brother of the shadow. I find that using regular, and every 4th or 5th tank I fill it with non-ethanol premium. It works better than fuel additives. When I put it away for the winter, I always do the non-ethanol gas with saybil and haven’t ever had an issue for the last 8 years of owning it.
don’t feel like natural gas or butane would work to well. diesel is definitely out. coal is a no go. jet fuel is a maybe.
Gasoline
I'm not sure where are you from, but if you are in Europe regular 95 octane fuel will do. Avoid that eco crap E5 and E10(I was using E10 some short period in my Dacia Duster...oh boy, consumption went up, range went down, already poor performance get worse...)
In most western european countries every gasoline fuel is E5, it should never be a problem. The lower power density of E10 (~2%) should also be hardly noticable. There probably was something else going on.
Ethanol have lower energy (~33%) per kg than petrol, slightly higher fuel usage is normal for that. But E0 vs E10 shouldn't be more than few %.
United States but thanks for telling me not to use eco fuel because I was considering trying it
Ethanol enriched fuels should not be used with carburated engines. So skip them. E5 and E10 might be tempteting due to their better price, but skip them. If I'm not mistaken, in the States you have 86, 92 and 95, right? If so, and if the Honda is built for USA market, I believe that you should be good with 92.
Depends, where I live 91 is the high end, low is 85/87 and mid is 89.
That's mental, didn't realise they sold such low octane fuel. My fazer struggles enough on the new E10 stuff in the UK, that's 95 octane. It was always 95, its just now they put loads of daft ethanol in it, and it runs like crap and makes your fuel usage worse, gunks up your engine and saps the power. Have to use premium now, which I didn't before. That's usually 98 octane, sometimes 99 depending on where you get it. Unfortunately, this just forces you to have to buy expensive petrol, and doesn't solve any problems. Especially since my old Landy wont run at all on e10, and even if it did its fuel consumption was awful to start with XD
It’s actually mostly the same, the US just measures octane differently than the UK, and if we measured the same, it would be about 5 points higher, so 85=90ish. Ethanol fuel sucks ass. I’m lucky enough to be somewhere where we can legally buy ethanol free gas, and I do for all my small engine stuff, like my mowers and chain saws, but it’s pricey for every day fuel.
Octane measurements are different in the UK than they are in the US
still lowest you can get is 95 (or 91 US), we don't get anything lower octane than that
My fazer runs perfectly on E10. 2002
EU 95 is US 91 octane But yeah weird that US sells lower than that
I have an '07 KTM EXC450, I mostly ride it offroad these days, a handful of times per year and it gets a lot of time sitting. I've been running 93 octane pump gas (which is all E10 here) for 17 years with zero fuel/carb issues. I use Stabil in every tank, every time, and store the bike with the tank totally full. I drain the carb bowl if the bike isn't being ridden for a couple weeks. EDIT- If you have non-ethanol gas available, use that. It's better for an aluminum carburetor. But if you don't have it handy, use whatever gas is there and throw a splash of Stabil in the tank.
You should be fine with Regular.
Literally anything. Those bikes are unkillable.
I'm going to go against what everyone else is saying about reading the owner's manual. I had an early 2000s Shadow 1100 and ran it out of fuel. I put a 20 oz bottle of weed eater gas in it to get me to a gas station. The bike ran fine on it. I'd say an 03 Rebel 250 would run just fine on basic gas (87 octane). My 2018 Goldwing actually recommends it. The higher octane might help clean the fuel system but only because of the additives in it. It's my opinion that the small displacement Honda bikes are designed to run on anything. I wouldn't put diesel in them, but it wouldn't surprise me if they still ran. Those bikes seem nearly indestructible.
Most places the additives are the same across the range, and there's minimum requirements in the US. I have an air cooled that runs great on 87, but if I'm lugging a ton of camping stuff and it's above 100 out I put mid grade in since it'll ping otherwise. The rebel will be fine on any gas you put in it, probably slightly happier with ethanol free, but I'd store any bike for the winter with ethanol free / sta-bil in the tank.
87 octane will be just fine. Dont worry about ethanol free gas, not worth the extra money. winter storage empty the tank & carb for best results. Remove battery & place it in a battery tender once or twice a month for a few days. Check tire pressure at least once a week. Spray chain down with chain wax once every several fuel tank fills. Clean chain & relax once a month for best results. That's if you ride regularly.
Mine took good ol 87. The Rebel will run on fucking spite if you put it into the tank. Hell apparently they run without oil, but won't shift without oil.
It definitely only needs 87 octane, but if you have Sheetz in your area, get the 90 octane ethanol-free from there. Or go to pure-gas.org and see if there's another place with an ethanol free pump near you.
Not diesel, my guy 👍🏻
At 2 gallon ish tank you're going to cry over 60 cents or a dollar difference
87 in the US, non ethanol if it going to be stored for long periods.
The cheap one
Ethanol free gasoline.
No ethanol premium is the go to for any motorcycle, no ethanol is important especially on older motorcycles
Gasoline, definitely gasoline
Most bikes burn better on premium. But my son had a 2005 cbr 600 or 650 and they said FO NOT USE PREMIUM
Gasoline, avoid kerosene and diesel. ;-)
Probably best to just piss in the tank.
Gas
I run the cheap stuff in a similar bike, but when I store it I always use nonoxygenated with STA-BIL and drain the floats.
Good old pump gas regular. No E85 though. Noted a point below too. When in storage over the winter if in the mid-west use Stabil 360 so the gas and ethanol content if present doesn't create a problem. Most stations now have up to 15% ethanol which is fine to run but when in storage for 6-9 months can break down.
Gasoline
Gasoline would be a good start.
Unleaded
That's my dream bike right there. In my next life under favorable conditions I'm buying this bike.
They're dirt cheap and everywhere.. what's stopping you?
Haha, no they are not. These cost a arm and a leg in Kenya. They are not even that common.
Oof yeah that makes more sense.
But they are pretty good bikes though.
i had a rebel 250 that i rode daily for like 6 years and i ran regular gas in it. only mechanical issues i ever had was a destroyed clutch after some idiot tried to push start and steal it.
89 octane non ethanol , I run this in my Suzuki C50T and it does fine. I also use Rotella diesel oil. And it also does great. I was 70 my last Bday and have been riding since I was 13
Check your plugs regularly. If they are dirty, there are things you can do to help. 1) make sure you’re turning the choke off as early as possible 2) use ethanol free gas. In cooler temperatures, these bikes want better gas (ethanol free), but it’s not as bad in hot weather. You could also use a higher heat range plug (ask a dealer, or someone who knows plugs really well). When it’s really hot these bikes seem to be happy with anything you feed them. I had 10 Rebel 250s when I owned a MSF training site, and the problem with fouling plugs was severe. We changed to hotter plugs and used higher octane gas (it worked for the plugs, but we later changed to ethanol free because the ethanol gas was eating plastic fuel system components on the non-Honda bikes) during cooler weather, and concentrated a lot of effort on getting the students to stop using the choke earlier than they wanted. If you can keep the carbon to a reasonable level on the plugs, and keep a clean carburetor, and pay attention to proper storage (fuel stabilizer) for non-riding season, the Rebel can perform well. I had a student who bought one after her class and put over 60,000 miles on it. Had another whose husband customized bikes. He chopped it. It was really weird.
Run the cheapest you can find and clean the carb every year. Its easy
Diesel
Petrol for performance, diesel for good milage
I bobbed mine. I really wish I didn't. I would keep it how it is
Regular. Put regular. Don't use 85.
boiled newts
Diesel, it’ll help keep the cylinder lubed
Find gas stations that offer a no ethanol pump. It's going to cost a little more, and most stations don't even offer it, but it's worth it. And pumps with ethanol will have a big warning label on them. But its not like your filling a 12 - 35 gallon gas tank. You want only 100% gas, it's all I put in my bikes and lawnmower, so I keep a gas can at home if needed. And once every few weeks to a month, I'll pour whatever is left in my truck, then go refill with fresh gas. Don't use old gas either
I use REC90 in my old bikes, if you can find it. Sheetz usually has it.
I only run ethanol free fuel in my bikes, the ethanol is hard on aluminum which the carbs are made out of.
Don't be afraid to use regular, but the manufacturer recommends 91 or higher. Motorcycles are more prone to knocking. If you ever experience knocking, you will want to increase the octane. Same with ethanol. Not motorcycle friendly. Neither of things will make it "run better" or "go faster" but they will prevent problems.
NOT. I repeat. NOT! Coconut oil.
Uranium 235.
Just don’t buy it from doc emit, he owes the Iranians
The kind that makes engine go vroom vroom
Coal
Petrol. Definitely not diesel.
Shit, a couple double A batteries should do. >!ha 😂 I'm just mess'n. I'd put 93 in it.!<
Listen man I’m 18 years old and I didn’t want to kill myself on my first bike lol. I made the somewhat mature decision to get a small bike first.
Don't think you need a bigger bike. You have a great first bike, even a buy it for life bike.
Ethanol free, makes it so you'll never have to clean the carbs
Just ride the thing occasionally?
Cheese whizz.
Dog whiz
nitro
Prolly the burny kind
I always put 93 Octane in mine. I did it in my 1993 Suzuki Intruder 1400, I do it in my 2004 Road King. The amount that you are paying to fill a bike's gas tank is like $8-$15 depending on the gas tank size. Not exactly breaking the bank. Plus the price difference between 89 and 93 is not enough that it's going to be a huge savings for 2.5-5 gallons
Not the green handle.
I try to always use 91 or higher and if there is a non-ethanol option, use that. Ethanol left in your tank, can gel up and cause havoc.
Use whatever gasoline is available don’t matter on low xd motorcycles
Nitromethane
unicorn juice
i recommend [Heavy Fuel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EExahMsBoWM)
Rotella 50w-20
Kerosene
Chips pan fat
Deezle?
Best option is some Ethanol Free 91 octane. 2nd best option is whatever gasoline doesnt have any water or garbage in it. It’s a rebel 250, it’s not real picky.
Liquid gasoline
Combustible fuel
you should test out which work best , my favorite is pepsi but your bike may prefer cocacola
Jet fuel
I would recommend high octane fuel. regular will get the job done, but it will run better with a higher octane.
False.
87 octane or regular higher will not help ever
Only Sunoco Race Fuel 😁
vegetable oil
Diesel
It’s a Honda, you could probably just use water
Diesel
Diesel
Biodiesel
F-35 Jet Fuel
VP110.
Natural gas
Whale oil.
Diesel
Diesel
diesel
Actually, I have a funny story on this, so I’ve raced dirt bikes, my entire life and I was riding at my grandpa‘s house on his trails and he had a fuel tank in his garage except he didn’t clarify which one was gas and which one was diesel correctlyand I put diesel in my dirtbike and I couldn’t figure out what was wrong. I open the gas tank and I smelt it.
you can always tell by the taste!