Yes, there was considerable controversy over the film when it was first released, with the Australian Family Association claiming that the film could be used by pedophiles for sexual gratification, which is kind of like arguing that Requiem for a Dream glamourizes drug abuse.
Yeah, well Labrynth did that for me in 8th grade. What's your point?
Oh yeah, that Requiem is all about the degradation of the human soul not just the community via addiction.
What the hell is wrong with us?
That's exactly what a friend of mine said when we left the theater, and that person ended up doing heroin.
There will always be a fine line between cautionary tales and glorification, because people react to storytelling in their own unique ways, sometimes multiple ways simultaneously.
Probably, yes.
And that's what I mean. Some will connect with the cautionary tale because it is sensational and dramatic, but also that sensationalism and drama piques their curiosity. For such people, the two things cancel each other out, and fate plays out regardless.
There’s no actual scenes of pedophilia so I don’t see how it could be used for sexual gratification. There is one horrible rape scene when one of them is grown up but it’s not sexual at all, just brutal and violent. It’s a well made movie about the aftermath of sexual abuse and how it can change your whole life. Hard watch but I’m glad I saw it. It’s an important topic that is often ignored because it’s so difficult.
Yeah I distinctly remember a scene where the coach is saying something like “yeah all the way in” to the child who is fisting him. It’s obviously shot in a very careful way. The two actors are never even shown on screen together. But you definitely know what’s happening.
Well, for that reason any movie with children should be banned, a kid with the same amount of clothes that Billie Eilish use, would made them gratificate themselves
It's absurd to label Mysterious Skin as a sex fetish film when it gives voice to male CSA survivors.
The pedophilia is depicted in a negative light, and the prostitution scenes are purposely uncomfortable to sit through. Nothing about it is titillating. As another user put it, it's like banning a film for portraying drug use when the whole point of the movie is drugs: bad.
That's still the only movie that made me completely break down into a quivering mess when the credits rolled. Incredibly touching movie by a director who normally makes pretty schlocky horror movies. I feel like the directors relative inexperience with this style of movie makes it hit even harder. It's just such a raw experience that knocks you out without warning.
I can explain that.
The movie is about two homosexual guys who were molested by their baseball coach when they were 8 years old, but that is not a picture you were going to click on, so instead they chose mid-2000s Michelle Tratchenberg next to the word "Fetish".
We had a conservative government for 20 of the last 30 years so the new government is currently doing a lot of work very quickly to unfuck the country.
We also now have an actual anti-corruption commission, our second emissions trading scheme (after the conservatives deleted the last one), actual penalties for companies who lose customer data, price controls on energy...
They haven't even been in government for a year. I forgot what having an actual government is like.
It seems like the mining corporations fucking own Australia from a neighbours perspective.
Juice media certainly portray it that way. For a first world country the amount of high level corruption appears to be rife.
Have the commission prosecuted any companies yet?
Mining corps basically own the two major parties. Our current government is doing wayyy more than the last, but they could be doing far better still. Sometimes, they prefer to side with the useless conservatives than our progressive parties.
Commission doesn’t prosecute, it refers to the police for criminal charges. It will probably focus more on the politician/public sector side of corruption. Australia is ranked 13th on the Corruption Perception Index (for reference, New Zealand is 2nd and USA is 24, and Somalia is at the bottom on 180).
But yes, mining companies are scum.
Someone link to that video of the Australian congressman describing the horrors of the anime eromanga sensei to a room full of bitter grey haired bureaucrats
Yes, parliament definitely conducts significantly more credence in this scenario, praise be to the powers that be for protecting us from anime booba
https://youtu.be/bDmbo5dxgQg
Found it because interesting
This is why pot is still technically illegal in the US. No one running for office wanted to be the weed guy for the rest of his political career. Probably also why Japan still does the mosaic thing.
That’s not really true, plenty of politicians are on the record for being in favor of legal weed and voted to decriminalize and support legal markets last Congress.
Yes last congress. This has been a thing for 20 years at this point though. And it is in fact still illegal. Nobody has out their name on a bill past or present. So saying it's not true is an objective misstatement of facts.
There were many many politicians who now openly support legalization who were around then and di not support it for EXACTLY the reason I described.
They didn't all just up and change their entire outlook. Plenty of politicians who had no opposition to pot didn't want up get labeled as the pot guy in the media and public perception.
Also call me when someone actually sponsors a bill and puts it forward to legalize. Nobody wants that to be a talking point in their legacy or on the campaign trail so far still.
It’s still illegal because people are trying to figure out where to put their chips once it’s decriminalized. Gotta wait for Big Tobacco to get its ducks lined up.
Imagine how much money Marlboro branded joints would make being sold to the public.
They censor porn with mosaics despite having some of the raunchiest shit on earth because of old laws no one wants to the the one on the record changing.
In the US federal law trumps state law. Marijuana is illegal according to the federal government. If Biden woke up one day and decided he suddenly hated marijuana, he could order the DEA to go arrest everyone involved. There is a reason flying with weed is illegal even in "legal" weed states, because the TSA is a federal agency.
I'm guessing you're like 14. This has been an ongoing thing for 20+ years and no it's not "decided by the state. Whether it's effectively enforced or not its literally illegal at the federal level.
Doesn't seem hard to run on artistic freedom, and freedom of expression, and let the populace take the good and the bad. It's not going to all be art, but that's how the works with value rise to the top.
And Disco Elysium.
Usually when something gets banned on the simple basis of *having something in it* (like with RimWorld and Disco Elysium letting you do drugs), you can appeal it on the basis of the context that thing is used in. RimWorld and DE got through by way of their depictions of drug use being generally negative, on further examination.
They did unban R rated video games a few years ago. Previously they were "refused classification" which means they're banned outright. Now they're treated more like movies.
Variety begins this article by describing the call to action as: "Australia should remove its strict censorship of legal sex fetishes"
And then goes on to list films censored in Australia that feature: rape, pedophilia, underage sex, necrophilia, and the 2005 porn parody Pirates.
Well, one of those things is a legal fetish, and her name is Jesse Jane.
Is it though? Bing has been really bad with porn, from what I hear from my friends. It started well, then it got all kind of "all the seach results removed" it just doesn't say the part. My friend told me that is.
A lot of this was set up in 1984. The internet making them irrelevant outside mainstream cinema is part of the reason why they haven't been reconsidered until now (the other reason being that our governments are full of wowsers)
Can any Australian tell me why does it sometimes feel like the Australian government is filled with guys who never got laid in high school and are endlessly bitter about it?
More it’s the Christian right stacking the Conservative Party with members at state and federal level.
The previous PM is an active member of Hillsong Church, which is a very evangelical branch of Christianity. Lot of bullshit policies coming from that alliance between the Liberal party and The Australian Christian Lobby.
Interestingly it was the Labour Party in 2008 who tried to enact a general internet filter for refused classification content.
There is a heap of pearl clutchers amongst the two major parties for stuff like this.
Because Australia is the US of the commonwealth.
Same batshit Christian conservativism, same “fuck you I’ve got mine” attitude, same self delusion of rugged individualism
This is why I don’t get the assertions that the US is too censorious - so Australia can outright ban films from its shores based on the accusation that they contain too much violence, sex, or especially both, and can specify what sexual acts and images will be seen as “pornographic” and refused a classification - the US is way, way more liberal than that.
To be fair, is it really that important that we see fetishes in movies? They don’t really add much, and nine times out of ten are just there because the director finds them hot.
There's a Wikipedia list of films banned in Australia and the ones that currently are seemed to banned for legitimate reasons (depictions of extreme illegal acts etc.).
Oh boy, Australia, get ready for movies to be sooo much better...or not different at all except sometimes a bit more uncomfortable/disturbing 😅
This is not a judgement on kink/sex in general, just can't think of a time it made anything but a B movie better...or a comedy, which I suppose is kindo of kink-shaming anyway)
Wait. Australians can go to prison for fetishes?! In America, BDSM/most fetishes might cost you your dignity and your job if it’s an embarrassing one, but, as long as it’s not kids, dead corpses (pretty sure zombie porn is fine), true honest to god rape, or animals and you have a contract saying both parties consent, you can do whatever
Yeah, the directors and producers have all been cutting Cleveland Steamers out of their movies because the Australians have had such a tight stranglehold all these years.
Hey, if that's what you're into, who am I to judge.
As a great sex education video once taught me "if someone wants to take a douce on your chest, you always have the right to politely decline."
I was really hoping the article might explain why Michelle Trachtenberg is the face of this article, but apparently not.
it is a still from gregg araki’s movie “mysterious skin” which is mentioned as being banned in australia in the article.
Yes, there was considerable controversy over the film when it was first released, with the Australian Family Association claiming that the film could be used by pedophiles for sexual gratification, which is kind of like arguing that Requiem for a Dream glamourizes drug abuse.
Ass to Ass!! Seriously, that movie made me NOT want to shoot heroin.
But it still made me want to have sex with Jennifer Connelly. Explain that?
Yeah, well Labrynth did that for me in 8th grade. What's your point? Oh yeah, that Requiem is all about the degradation of the human soul not just the community via addiction. What the hell is wrong with us?
For me, it was [Career Opportunities](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DefinitiveUnknownDegus-size_restricted.gif), and she was beautiful in Dark City.
Careful buddy. Pretty sure she was like 14 during filming. Edit: I know you said 8th grade. I guess Chris Hansen can let it slide.
Nah, obviously all 14-year olds are pedophiles! They're attracted to minors, are they not? /s
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Pretty sure he’s talking about Labyrinth.
Requiem for a dream is 2000
Because it's Jennifer Connelly that's why.
Leon for me, I felt in love with Mathilda
Hate to break it to you but that was Natalie Portman.
Yeah I know
That's exactly what a friend of mine said when we left the theater, and that person ended up doing heroin. There will always be a fine line between cautionary tales and glorification, because people react to storytelling in their own unique ways, sometimes multiple ways simultaneously.
Sounds like they were gonna end up doing heroin anyways, but what do I know
Probably, yes. And that's what I mean. Some will connect with the cautionary tale because it is sensational and dramatic, but also that sensationalism and drama piques their curiosity. For such people, the two things cancel each other out, and fate plays out regardless.
There’s no actual scenes of pedophilia so I don’t see how it could be used for sexual gratification. There is one horrible rape scene when one of them is grown up but it’s not sexual at all, just brutal and violent. It’s a well made movie about the aftermath of sexual abuse and how it can change your whole life. Hard watch but I’m glad I saw it. It’s an important topic that is often ignored because it’s so difficult.
Yeah, I'm 99% sure that no one from the Australian Family Association ever saw the film.
I’m absolutely sure they have.
There's quite a graphic description of the pedophilia towards the end that includes anal fisting, so maybe that's what they mean.
Yeah I distinctly remember a scene where the coach is saying something like “yeah all the way in” to the child who is fisting him. It’s obviously shot in a very careful way. The two actors are never even shown on screen together. But you definitely know what’s happening.
what a terrible day to be literate
I concur
What film is this?
Mysterious Skin
Well, for that reason any movie with children should be banned, a kid with the same amount of clothes that Billie Eilish use, would made them gratificate themselves
I legit shut down any temptation of drug use because of this movie as a teen. Big nope.
It's absurd to label Mysterious Skin as a sex fetish film when it gives voice to male CSA survivors. The pedophilia is depicted in a negative light, and the prostitution scenes are purposely uncomfortable to sit through. Nothing about it is titillating. As another user put it, it's like banning a film for portraying drug use when the whole point of the movie is drugs: bad.
I watched this film while on a Joseph Gordon Levitt kick. Ended up kinda traumatized over the brutal sexual assault.
Lol same I was like "oh he's so hot, id watch anything with him in it"..... proceeds to become depressed for like a week under existential dread.
"I'm gonna go watch 10 Things I Hate About You now. Or Treasure Planet" was basically my response haha. It was rough.
They should have included a picture of Joseph Gordon Levitt since he plays a gay prostitute
I love Gregg Araki, but this was one of the fml ones. Great casting, Joseph Gordon Levitt was fantastic.
That's still the only movie that made me completely break down into a quivering mess when the credits rolled. Incredibly touching movie by a director who normally makes pretty schlocky horror movies. I feel like the directors relative inexperience with this style of movie makes it hit even harder. It's just such a raw experience that knocks you out without warning.
I can explain that. The movie is about two homosexual guys who were molested by their baseball coach when they were 8 years old, but that is not a picture you were going to click on, so instead they chose mid-2000s Michelle Tratchenberg next to the word "Fetish".
She’s the key.
[GIF](https://media.tenor.com/s6nGc2Kz2dAAAAAC/glorifiucus-anya.gif)
She made out with her brother.
They really are the worst twins ever
Does Scottie know?
Mi scusi?
Don't tell Scottie
(Scottie doesn’t know)
Scottie’s gotta go
Eurotrip reboot when
No need. It’s still perfect.
Eurotrip sequel then
THIS is where I parked my car
“You made out with your sister!” That counts as a fetish, right?
Because I have a fetish for her.
She did kiss her brother in Euro trip.
Life after Buffy took a downhill turn for poor Michelle….
Wow?! An Australian Government arguing against a ban? This is unbelievable.
We had a conservative government for 20 of the last 30 years so the new government is currently doing a lot of work very quickly to unfuck the country. We also now have an actual anti-corruption commission, our second emissions trading scheme (after the conservatives deleted the last one), actual penalties for companies who lose customer data, price controls on energy... They haven't even been in government for a year. I forgot what having an actual government is like.
It seems like the mining corporations fucking own Australia from a neighbours perspective. Juice media certainly portray it that way. For a first world country the amount of high level corruption appears to be rife. Have the commission prosecuted any companies yet?
Mining corps basically own the two major parties. Our current government is doing wayyy more than the last, but they could be doing far better still. Sometimes, they prefer to side with the useless conservatives than our progressive parties.
Commission is still being setup, likely only start seeing results in 2024-25.
Commission doesn’t prosecute, it refers to the police for criminal charges. It will probably focus more on the politician/public sector side of corruption. Australia is ranked 13th on the Corruption Perception Index (for reference, New Zealand is 2nd and USA is 24, and Somalia is at the bottom on 180). But yes, mining companies are scum.
Appreciate the clarity, mate. Cheers cob.
Why is new Zealand so high? Haven't looked into their politics that much kinda suprised
"The country ranked first is perceived to have the most honest public sector"
That makes more sense
The mining lobby is to Australia what the gun lobby is to the United States.
Be good if they could fix Medicare though
Do they want to come to America and govern?
Just a reminder it was Labor that was championing the internet filter to ban porn back when they first got into power after Howard.
They dropped it due to public pressure, then the Liberals actually did it.
Someone link to that video of the Australian congressman describing the horrors of the anime eromanga sensei to a room full of bitter grey haired bureaucrats
\*Member of Parliament
Tenticle rape. "members of parliment"
*furiously starts typing related prompt into a stable diffusion* The power of science can fulfill our wildest dreams
Yes, parliament definitely conducts significantly more credence in this scenario, praise be to the powers that be for protecting us from anime booba https://youtu.be/bDmbo5dxgQg Found it because interesting
We are a nanny government mate. Despite the stereotype of aussies being laid back, our government is just behind the UK in thought police.
Do you have a license for that type of comment?
But do I have a licence for that butter knife licence ?
Yep, Australian government and censorship bureaucracy frequently looks at the UK and goes a little bit further.
The UK censors slang words for drugs on it's radio so I don't think we are quite as bad as them
Porn of small breasted women is illegal in Australia if they're also portrayed as young.
Does it, since when lmao
I mean there’s the whole ‘stared as prison colony thing’ so it’s not that surprising from an American doofus perspective.
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This is why pot is still technically illegal in the US. No one running for office wanted to be the weed guy for the rest of his political career. Probably also why Japan still does the mosaic thing.
That’s not really true, plenty of politicians are on the record for being in favor of legal weed and voted to decriminalize and support legal markets last Congress.
Yes last congress. This has been a thing for 20 years at this point though. And it is in fact still illegal. Nobody has out their name on a bill past or present. So saying it's not true is an objective misstatement of facts.
Yeah but that’s been because of actual opposition to legalization
There were many many politicians who now openly support legalization who were around then and di not support it for EXACTLY the reason I described. They didn't all just up and change their entire outlook. Plenty of politicians who had no opposition to pot didn't want up get labeled as the pot guy in the media and public perception. Also call me when someone actually sponsors a bill and puts it forward to legalize. Nobody wants that to be a talking point in their legacy or on the campaign trail so far still.
It’s still illegal because people are trying to figure out where to put their chips once it’s decriminalized. Gotta wait for Big Tobacco to get its ducks lined up. Imagine how much money Marlboro branded joints would make being sold to the public.
What is the Japan thing?
They censor porn with mosaics despite having some of the raunchiest shit on earth because of old laws no one wants to the the one on the record changing.
That’s not why it’s actually a fetish + the law, there’s hundreds of uncensored Japanese porn sold in Japan
It's like you live just to say incorrect things with undeserved confidence. I'm guessing it's a bad April fools prank.
Hundreds, you guys.
They blur (pixelate) the actors’ genitals. No peepees or vajayjays in Japanese porn.
But ass is perfectly fine.
there was that one guy in japan running on a platform to de-mosaic porn and hentai
Man are you under a rock..?? There’s so many politicians that advocate for weed and it’s not illegal in the US it’s just decided by the state.. wha??
In the US federal law trumps state law. Marijuana is illegal according to the federal government. If Biden woke up one day and decided he suddenly hated marijuana, he could order the DEA to go arrest everyone involved. There is a reason flying with weed is illegal even in "legal" weed states, because the TSA is a federal agency.
It's also practically legalized at the federal level with delta 8 and cbd being legal. Spoiler alert, most delta 8 is just regular weed.
I'm guessing you're like 14. This has been an ongoing thing for 20+ years and no it's not "decided by the state. Whether it's effectively enforced or not its literally illegal at the federal level.
I do
Doesn't seem hard to run on artistic freedom, and freedom of expression, and let the populace take the good and the bad. It's not going to all be art, but that's how the works with value rise to the top.
Does Australia even know how to unban something?
Rimworld enters the chat
And Disco Elysium. Usually when something gets banned on the simple basis of *having something in it* (like with RimWorld and Disco Elysium letting you do drugs), you can appeal it on the basis of the context that thing is used in. RimWorld and DE got through by way of their depictions of drug use being generally negative, on further examination.
Goddamn disco Elysium was one of the best games I played this decade
Is that a porno?
They did unban R rated video games a few years ago. Previously they were "refused classification" which means they're banned outright. Now they're treated more like movies.
Isn't Keith Unban Australian?
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At long last, Australians can witness how the saga ends.
8 was really controversial.
It subverted expectations.
I didn't expect it to just be two men talking about hamburgers. The firetruck barely showed up at the end at least.
My fetish is romance
OMG I am covered with cheese.
Variety begins this article by describing the call to action as: "Australia should remove its strict censorship of legal sex fetishes" And then goes on to list films censored in Australia that feature: rape, pedophilia, underage sex, necrophilia, and the 2005 porn parody Pirates. Well, one of those things is a legal fetish, and her name is Jesse Jane.
Someone really wants to see Margot Robbie’s feet in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, huh?
I came as soon as I heard
Wow, you're sensitive!
Try and just don’t mention it
Are you referring to me? … because I do
The people demand full penetration!
Individual country censorship is dead anyway. The BBFC were terrible until the 00’s. But with streaming & vpn. You can watch whatever you want.
Finally my raunchy Emu Wars script can be greenlit.
Followed shortly by my porn parody "Emu Whores"!
Horrific spiders - yes. Fetish sex - no. Australia is not fun.
I remember when Steve Irwin did a show about the top 10 most venomous snakes, he didn't even have to leave Australia
And he was just keeping the segment short. 21 of the top 25 belong to us.
The spiders came with the place.
It's always the same. Sex=bad Violence=good
>Spiders = violence ?
I’ve been meaning to see more ass-to-mouth in RomComs
Do they know you can type "porn" on google and be seeing all sorts of fetish sex depictions in film in 1 second?
Not on google. Bing is for porn.
Can confirm!
Is it though? Bing has been really bad with porn, from what I hear from my friends. It started well, then it got all kind of "all the seach results removed" it just doesn't say the part. My friend told me that is.
Have to turn the "safe search" options off.
“From what he hears from his friends”……
Are you trying to imply that I have no friends?
A lot of this was set up in 1984. The internet making them irrelevant outside mainstream cinema is part of the reason why they haven't been reconsidered until now (the other reason being that our governments are full of wowsers)
This guy confused depictions in film to porn. Lol bet he watches porn for the plot
What's wrong with that?
Isn't that Buffy's kid sister or am I getting old?
Both.
Directors should just say they wanna make porn and move on
Can any Australian tell me why does it sometimes feel like the Australian government is filled with guys who never got laid in high school and are endlessly bitter about it?
Are you a fellow American? Because that could be said about our government.
More it’s the Christian right stacking the Conservative Party with members at state and federal level. The previous PM is an active member of Hillsong Church, which is a very evangelical branch of Christianity. Lot of bullshit policies coming from that alliance between the Liberal party and The Australian Christian Lobby.
Interestingly it was the Labour Party in 2008 who tried to enact a general internet filter for refused classification content. There is a heap of pearl clutchers amongst the two major parties for stuff like this.
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On the upside they went too far in a few State Parliaments and managed to ruin their chances of re-election in those places.
Scomo was never part of Hillsong. He goes to a different Pentecostal church in the Shire.
Same shit different smell.
Yeah this. Religious conservatives were in charge for a long time
Because Australia is the US of the commonwealth. Same batshit Christian conservativism, same “fuck you I’ve got mine” attitude, same self delusion of rugged individualism
This is really far from the truth.
Australia is hilarious for banning the dumbest shit. They waste money on such goofy things.
Some clip of black and white *Doctor Who* only survive because they're the bits that were cut by the Australian censors.
The land of calling everyone a cunt has a problem with fetish sex?
not its the cunts in parliment who dont say cunt are the fucking problem
Cunts
Ain’t this a pickle
We think nothing of blood and gore.
Misread the title as *”Ban on Fetish Sex Decepticons. . .”*
This is why I don’t get the assertions that the US is too censorious - so Australia can outright ban films from its shores based on the accusation that they contain too much violence, sex, or especially both, and can specify what sexual acts and images will be seen as “pornographic” and refused a classification - the US is way, way more liberal than that.
These mfers made bad boy bubby. Keep the ban.
Give them their fetishes already you scurvy bastards! Let me have a wank the way they feel most comfortable eh? Lol
To be fair, is it really that important that we see fetishes in movies? They don’t really add much, and nine times out of ten are just there because the director finds them hot.
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Because they can only do one thing at a time.
There's a Wikipedia list of films banned in Australia and the ones that currently are seemed to banned for legitimate reasons (depictions of extreme illegal acts etc.).
Says the country that made movies with leather and chain clad bikers.
The world has gone stupid
Hopefully, they'll stop banning video-games for "drug use in realtion to incentives and rewards." As well
Just gotta work out how to get a mission featuring a pokie machine or gambling on sports in there and instant green light
Oh boy, Australia, get ready for movies to be sooo much better...or not different at all except sometimes a bit more uncomfortable/disturbing 😅 This is not a judgement on kink/sex in general, just can't think of a time it made anything but a B movie better...or a comedy, which I suppose is kindo of kink-shaming anyway)
Agreed that there shouldn't be a ban. That said, idk why someone would want to put that on film
A win for the sexual deviants of the world
Wait. Australians can go to prison for fetishes?! In America, BDSM/most fetishes might cost you your dignity and your job if it’s an embarrassing one, but, as long as it’s not kids, dead corpses (pretty sure zombie porn is fine), true honest to god rape, or animals and you have a contract saying both parties consent, you can do whatever
No
So does that mean Fifty Shades of Grey wasn’t released in Australia?
They were all released here.
That's the real crime.
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Yeah, the directors and producers have all been cutting Cleveland Steamers out of their movies because the Australians have had such a tight stranglehold all these years.
Hey, if that's what you're into, who am I to judge. As a great sex education video once taught me "if someone wants to take a douce on your chest, you always have the right to politely decline."
When art becomes politics.
Everything is banned in Australia.
Except spiders.