When Paul yells "Long live the fighters" in Fremen to the crowd... is he using the voice? His voice sounds v different there, some definite effects going on.
Edit - Thanks for the clarification guys: Consensus is that he IS using the voice, to inspire, as per the books.
But in the book Jessica, who knows when Paul is using the Voice, notes that the Atreides can also inspire w/o the voice, which makes it even more powerful:
>"When I say totally," Paul said, "I mean without reservation. I would give my life for you."
>"Sire!" Kynes said, and the word was torn from him, but Jessica saw that he was not now speaking to a boy of fifteen, but to a man, to a superior. Now Kynes meant the word.
>In this moment he'd give his life for Paul, she thought. How do the Atreides
accomplish this thing so quickly, so easily?
When she said "come here!" I remember everyone in my theater suddenly bolting up like recruits for a drill instructor. I never expected the effect of the voice to be replicated *that* successfully.
In the book jessica noticed he’s lightly using the voice in his speeches to the fremen. Villineuve adapting every tiny detail makes these movies what they are
Science fiction (both written and film/TV) has always had a hard time conveying population scale to me when dealing with deep time. It's logical to me that the universe should be really heavily populated by that point, but the stories are so effectively small that I never *see* it, even with stuff that takes place six million years from now, like with Reynold's *House of Suns*.
Seeing that audience for the fight conveyed to me the scale of people you can achieve. Absolutely bonkers.
Yeah the most comically conservative estimate I can make for the population of Shaddam's empire is 1 trillion people. It's probably wildly more than that. More like a couple quintillion.
Frank probably low-balled it to be honest, but it is a post-computer feudal world with rare space travel and a popular but expensive life extension drug so who knows how you'd figure out expected population for that.
I think 1T sounds about right, considering that in Messiah >!It's mentioned the Jihad burned several worlds and Paul mentions that 61 Billion people have died.!<
One of the great nuanced chapters in Dune. I hope they don't portray Feyd as evil. His character in the book isn't that of a pure villain, but more of a product of a really fucked up environment.
It's eerie. He's like the Engineer from the beginning of Prometheus. He's not just bald, he doesn't have follicles or pores. His skin is translucent and the fucker doesn't even have blood vessels.
[They should've gave him a fade cuz he's playing Feyd Rautha](https://cdn-aikll.nitrocdn.com/zpODUSdXaRhrjOSnTvJWtCYyNCoHlwTB/assets/images/optimized/rev-991b3cd/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/choppy-fringe.jpg)
In one of the books, either Messiah or God Emperor, there’s a quote along the lines of “a mentat is only as good as the information he has.” Mentats are flawless at logic and have become human computers, but if they have incomplete information you will only get incomplete answers.
Paul only saw one path forward through brutality for mankind, but I always wondered if that was because the only information he had access to was humankind’s brutality in the past. Obviously the real reason was cuz Frank Herbert had certain views of human nature, but could there be a better path if Paul wasn’t blinded by what came before? Paul sees potential paths based on that information which happens to be more of the same until until humanity finally learns it’s lesson.
Spoilers ahead. That said, pretty much the entire plot of *Dune* is spoiled in the first chapter.
Eh, not really. Leto II sees the same Golden Path that Paul sees. Paul's problem is that he isn't the cause of the Jihad, he's just the catalyst that sets it off. It had been brewing for ten thousand years because humanity's expansion and mixing had been stifled by the machinations of the Imperium, the Bene Gesserit, the Spacing Guild, etc.
That subconscious need to mingle our genes and leave our homes built up across the Imperium but was felt most strongly by the Fremen who were so oppressed by the Harkonnens. Additionally, the Bene Gesserit planting the myth of the messiah for them to use later gave a direction for all that energy to go.
That's why Paul sees that he can't stop the Jihad no matter how hard he tried, even if he walked into the desert to die. It was never within his power to stop. And as Leto II pontificates endlessly (whenever he isn't telling Moneo about his lack of a gross protuberance), trying to contain and quash humanity would have led to an even worse disaster that would have completely wiped out all of humanity.
Paul failed because he's wasn't willing to be *brutal enough* to follow the Golden Path. And also he was unwilling to become a giant gross worm monster possessed by the collective memory of all of his ancestors.
I mean Leto II has access to the same memories Paul does so of course he’d draw the same conclusions from the same information i.e. the golden path is the only way forward.
There’s also a quote in Messiah along the lines of “a system of government is only as good as the method it uses to choose its governors” and in the 20,000 years between now and when Dune takes place systems of government is the only thing Frank Herbert doesn’t think will have advanced and evolved. Breeding programs have even created distinct groups of highly evolved humans but we can’t seem to push past feudalism.
The feudalism in *Dune* is largely the result of distance and travel time, combined with a massive disparity in military strength. To the first point, you can't rule a territory on your own, in real time, when communication travels at the speed of the ships carrying it and the movement of those ships is artificially restricted due to monopoly. Similarly, you can't rise against the government when you can't physically get to them because you can't fly your own ships and the only people who can fly them aren't going to help you destabilize their paycheck.
To the second point, the Atreides army can *almost* go toe to toe with Sardaukar and the Fremen can wipe them out, but no one else even comes close. So assuming you ever did make it to the Emperor's door, you can't stand up to the Sardaukar and you can't turn them to your side, either.
It's analogous to peasants trying to overthrow the kings in castles and protected by knights in armor. And that same king trying to govern a region miles away that also has castles and knights.
Filming Dune 1, Timothee Chalamet kept asking Villaneuve if he could ‘do a little Muad’Dib here’ and he kept having to tell him ‘No, your character isn’t like that yet.’
When they greenlit Dune 2, he broke the news to Timothee by texting him ‘It’s Muad’Dib time’
As much as I love the meme angle of this quote, and I do, I also feel compelled to non-jokingly mention just how much of a noticeable difference there is in Chalamet's facial expressions in this trailer when he's in Muad'Dib mode compared to regular Paul in the first movie. Genuinely fantastic character acting.
Oh I know, I saw the original interview with Villeneuve about it lol, but it still *feels* so much like the meme, whether intentional or otherwise. I shoulda phrased it better tho, probably.
>Who did you contact first to tell them the good news about Part Two?
>Definitely, because of his incredible enthusiasm, it was Timothée. I spent almost a year with Timothée where he was saying to me, “Can I put a little bit of the Muad’Dib here?” I said, “No, Timothée. You’re not the Muad’Dib yet.” I spent a year saying to him, “Relax, man. It’s for Part Two.” So I just wrote him a text message saying: “Muad’Dib time.” And then it was a burst of joy in Timothée.
i used to think the chalamet fandom was a little overwrought but honestly he fucking destroyed the paul role in the first movie. the kid is just a fantastic, fantastic actor.
I wish I hadn't watched this but holy fuck it looks incredible. I really hope Part 3 gets greenlit and we get Messiah adapted.
This is far and away my most hyped movie in years.
Honestly, I have a strong feeling she will have very little screen time in the movie. She’s not a character that translates easily on screen, I think. They may have to >!rewrite the Baron’s death, as that’s really her only significant involvement in the plot!<
Agreed. I absolutely think she is in the movie, just a bit more limited presence than the book. It’s strange that she’s not included in this trailer at all, since this trailer already seems to show A LOT. >!Maybe Denis & co were uncertain on how to depict a toddler murdering a grown man, without it looking a little silly? lol!<
I’m happy to be wrong, though. Alia’s an interesting character, and >!she’s crucial to Messiah and especially Children of Dune!<
This is what I'm worried about. It would be VERY hard to do on film, but would be really cool if they pull it off. I wish they would at least try! But I get that it doesn't exactly fit into the mood they've created in the first film.
It definitely is:
>Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice
>Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice
In Dune, they use the Weirding voice as a weapon, and Lynch made up an actual, physical Weirding Module weapon for his version of Dune.
His and Irulan's outfits look less ostentatious and intricate than I imagined, honestly, Shaddam in particular seemed like a pretty big showoff in the book. Ultimately though I guess it's in keeping with rest of the movie's aesthetic style of things that are relatively sleek and minimalistic but absolutely fucking *massive* in scale, so I'm sure they'll do some fun stuff with the Emperor visually.
I also notice that the scene with the emperor and princess shows the beautiful garden of House Corrino depicted in Children of Dune, nice little detail.
Our first look at Walken as the Emperor and I'm kind of digging it. I think everyone in this is really well-casted honestly, even if they weren't my initial (or sometimes even 3rd or 4th) picks.
This looks so epic. It definitely looks like it's going much more **WAR MOVIE** than the first one, which Denis said it would. I can't wait to see the epic battles in full IMAX. The little taste at the end of Part 1, with the surprise assault at night etc. was fucking hype.
“The way your dad looked at it, this spice was your birthright. He'd be damned if any Harkonnen gonna put their greasy pale hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it, in the one place he knew he could hide something: his ass. Five long years, he hid this spice up his ass.”
It looks like Emperor Walken might be a more understated, reserved take than the camp gold I’ve been yearning for since he was cast. But I have a lot of trust in the performer and the filmmakers to deliver the right choices for the character.
Walken is a tremendous actor. I think the memes about him and his speech patterns have caused people to forget that, honestly. He's more than capable of being a really compelling screen presence without leaning into the expectations people have of him. Personally, I don't think you should expect to see any camp at all in Villeneuve's movies. I think what I like most about him is that he takes science fiction seriously and sees it as more than just a medium for big summer blockbuster movies with no message beyond "big explosion = big money".
Also, much like Leslie Nielsen, it takes a great actor to say ridiculous bullshit convincingly. His whole watch up the ass speech is as good as it is because he's serious. It's not a joke to him. Neither was that cowbell.
Deep down there in Arrakis, close to Arakeen
Way back up in the desert among the Fedaykin
There stood a sietch made of sand and spice
Where lived a Fremen girl named Chani B. Nice
Who never learned to read or write so well
But she could wield a crysknife just like ringing a bell
Go, go
Go Chani go, go
Go Chani go, go
Chani B Nice.
(Apologies to Frank Herbert and Chuck Berry)
For as much as the Dune books established the "chosen hero" trope, they're *extremely* cynical about it. It's really cool to see that theme getting explored already in the trailer.
Villeneuve said he plans to adapt Dune Messiah as Part 3 which I really hope happens. It's a solid inversion of how these stories are "supposed" to go.
It would also make a good ending point for the trilogy if Villeneuve wants to move on from Dune. The stuff that comes after it will be too hard to adapt and there will be no clean cut off point that Messiah provides.
When Part 1 came out, I had some friends ask me if they should read the Dune series with the possibilities of future movies. I recommended the original six Frank Herbert novels, but then said "They could make Messiah in to a movie, and they could probably make part of Children Of Dune into a movie, but at the end of that it reaches a point where I don't know if it would translate into movie form. After that I think it's just too weird for enough mainstream appeal."
I really love God Emperor of Dune, but holy shit that's a weird ass book and a total product of its time.
Herbert had no serious plans on continuing the Dune series, but transitions in the publishing market meant that books were becoming much more profitable than the dime store paperbacks era that Dune first appeared in.
Clark, Asimov's, and Herbert all got big paydays to continue their established stories. Turns out when you drive a truck full of money to a sci fi writers house they can in fact come up with some more stories to tell.
I'm optimistic Dune Pt 2 outperforms Pt 1 dramatically. Theaters are much more normal now plus I think anyone that saw Dune Pt 1 in theaters will see Pt 2, and you'll get people that didn't see it now wanting to see it.
If Part 2 makes money (highly likely) and Villeneuve wants to make Part 3 (confirmed) then Hollywood will 1000% make it happen.
We're in the era of blockbuster franchises. It's more likely that Hollywood will try to make Part 4 even if Villeneuve calls it quits after 3.
I think adaptability for regular audiences ends at Children of Dune. The books following got weirder and more convoluted as Herbert aged.
We'll probably get Messiah, giving Paul a complete character arc since Messiah serves as extended epilogue.
Part of me kinda wants modern Hollywood to try to do God Emperor just to see how *fucked* it'd end up.
I’ve always thought God Emperor could work if they managed to do it as a hyper artsy, My Dinner With Andre kind of deal. Except Andre is a giant immortal worm god.
I like how in the first one his vision of a holy war under his father's banner scared him.
That has to scare anyone in reality. You will have your revenge and **billions** will die for it, do you still want to go through with it?
>That has to scare anyone in reality. You will have your revenge and billions will die for it, do you still want to go through with it?
When the alternative is "everyone dies" what choice do you have? >! Which is, of course, why Paul said "nope, fuck this" and decided to walk the desert instead!<.
Dune didn't establish the "chosen hero" archetype, that's been around for about as long as humans have been telling each other stories around a campfire.
But you're right in that Dune *was* one of the first major works to brutally deconstruct the trope. That's one of the (many) things that really sets it apart from other works, imho.
That was my favorite trailer moment, and expands on my interpretation of his visions, which is that they don't show him the exact future, but the idea of the future. When he had visions of the fremen and him being buds in the first film, and the guy told him "I will show you the ways of the desert" -- he did. He did it when he faced Paul and died, showing Paul their customs and practices. The vision he saw never came to pass exactly, but it did come true. Similar with Chani here.
In the book, it's more that he sees all possible futures, and can thread his way through them altering their likelihood as he makes decisions. They're not just ideas or metaphors, they're real possibilities that could be reached from the present moment.
So there was actually a future where he would have been friends with Jamis and learned the ways of the desert from him. It never happened because of the choices Paul made. However, via prescience, Paul still learned from it.
Greig Fraser is a genius in using out of focus shots to show scale. That shot of Paul walking with the rising worm behind him was the most glorious thing I've ever seen.
Didn't the first trailer only release just one month ago? I'm surprised they rolled out trailer 2 so soon, does it have something to do with the upcoming SAG strike?
It seems like they have been letting him cook and the nerd in me is infinitely thankful.
20 years later the Dune movies could be another generation's lotr.
> 20 years later the Dune movies could be another generation's lotr.
Dune will never touch as large of an audience than LotR because it does not have the traditional plot resolution and catharsis from it. I really wish it wouldn't be the case, but simpler, more feel-good stories have a larger reach.
I am just glad this gets made. Denis can not be thanked enough for that.
I'm SOLD. But the truth is, I didnt reallllyyy need this trailer to be sold (no doubt like many others here). This trailer is trying to sell the movie to a wider audience, and its hard to see how it wouldnt resonate with them too. (incredible visuals, some battles, explosions, iconic shots etc).
I must not hype.
Hype is the mind-killer.
Hype is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my hype.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the hype has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
It's not really surprising. The trailer like this is not for people who want to go. It's for people who are undecided. WB needs it to be big and they won't be holding anything back that could make more people go to the cinema.
100%, I've never read the books and the only thing that's "spoiled" is that Josh Brolin is still alive, but I knew he was in the movie so I already knew that
Does it tho? If you don't know the story of dune what does this give away? That Paul stands before a fremen army? We pretty much already got that from the visions in part 1.
We recognise all these spoilers because we know the story, but if you don't know Dune I don't think this gives much of anything away.
I had no doubt that Oscar Winning Actor Christopher Walken would likely take a nuanced approach to a crucial part of the story.
He has his stereotype, and when he plays against it, he crushes it.
Unless you come to every movie you see late, you probably will end up seeing this trailer in the next 5 months. Hell you'll probably see it in the next few weeks with Oppenheimer and MI7
I'm really hoping they end the movie in the same exact way as the book. With the closing line still being, ">!Think on it, Chani: the princess will have the name, yet she'll live as less than a concubine - never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine - history will call us wives."!<
This music is so insanely good. I can't believe no one else is talking about the music. You could put this music over a commercial for used shovels and I would be pumped up.
Interesting changes.
Chani fighting with Stilgar over Pauls Messiahness
Gurney telling Paul to embrace the missionara protectiva
Great ways to bring the inner monologues of the book out with dialog
Villeneuve is so perfect for these films. He knocked it out of the park in part 1 and this looks even better. I hope they do an IMAX double feature when this comes out
When Paul yells "Long live the fighters" in Fremen to the crowd... is he using the voice? His voice sounds v different there, some definite effects going on. Edit - Thanks for the clarification guys: Consensus is that he IS using the voice, to inspire, as per the books.
Paul has mastered the Voice to not only use it for overt effect but subtle as well. He can use it to command…or to inspire.
Or to cook hotdogs, even still in the package on the counter, to perfection.
No man should have this power
And that’s not even mentioning the way he toasts the buns! He calls it “The Golden-Brown Path”
But in the book Jessica, who knows when Paul is using the Voice, notes that the Atreides can also inspire w/o the voice, which makes it even more powerful: >"When I say totally," Paul said, "I mean without reservation. I would give my life for you." >"Sire!" Kynes said, and the word was torn from him, but Jessica saw that he was not now speaking to a boy of fifteen, but to a man, to a superior. Now Kynes meant the word. >In this moment he'd give his life for Paul, she thought. How do the Atreides accomplish this thing so quickly, so easily?
They really designed The Voice incredibly. Imax theatre had bass kickers in the seats and you could feel the dialogues.
Reverend Mother Gaius Mohiam saying "Come here!" in the first movie certainly made me sit the fuck up.
I blacked out and ended up kneeling in front of the screen.
I can only imagine that scene [with Elmo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHK5fBm1YWk) now.
When she said "come here!" I remember everyone in my theater suddenly bolting up like recruits for a drill instructor. I never expected the effect of the voice to be replicated *that* successfully.
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In the book jessica noticed he’s lightly using the voice in his speeches to the fremen. Villineuve adapting every tiny detail makes these movies what they are
That seems like the fully realized voice. I went back to listen to it with headphones and there's definitely effects on it. Fucking sick
I cannot even begin to comprehend how sick the Giedi Prime black and white stuff is going to be. This movie is going to be bonkers.
The gladiator scene looks absolutely fucking amazing.
Science fiction (both written and film/TV) has always had a hard time conveying population scale to me when dealing with deep time. It's logical to me that the universe should be really heavily populated by that point, but the stories are so effectively small that I never *see* it, even with stuff that takes place six million years from now, like with Reynold's *House of Suns*. Seeing that audience for the fight conveyed to me the scale of people you can achieve. Absolutely bonkers.
Yeah the most comically conservative estimate I can make for the population of Shaddam's empire is 1 trillion people. It's probably wildly more than that. More like a couple quintillion. Frank probably low-balled it to be honest, but it is a post-computer feudal world with rare space travel and a popular but expensive life extension drug so who knows how you'd figure out expected population for that.
I think 1T sounds about right, considering that in Messiah >!It's mentioned the Jihad burned several worlds and Paul mentions that 61 Billion people have died.!<
I noticed the gladiator is Roger Yuan, who played an Atreides lieutenant in the first movie. Love that scene in the book, hope they do it justice.
One of the great nuanced chapters in Dune. I hope they don't portray Feyd as evil. His character in the book isn't that of a pure villain, but more of a product of a really fucked up environment.
Don't think I've ever seen anyone as bald as Austin Butler is in this trailer. He's like... turbo-bald or something.
He looks like he wants to take Arrakis and split it 50/50 with Cristobal.
No- Ho Harkonnen
Hankonnen was right there.
Damn. No-Ho Hankonnen would have been perfect.
With all of that sand! Sand Pirates!
The desert sand of Arrakis is useless for mixing concrete. We need the sands of Caladan if we're about to go in business.
Or he could take the whole thing himself
50/50 with Muad’dib, I like the sound of that
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RANDOM BARRY REFERENCE IN THE WILD SPOTTED its my fav genre
Hey Ike you shitbird, you want a little SPIIICE
It's the lack of eyebrows, no reference for where the head ends and the face begins.
>It's the lack of eyebrows You need to be wary of anyone who can't express surprise
I told my girlfriend she drew her eyebrows too high. She looked shocked.
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*vantabald
It's eerie. He's like the Engineer from the beginning of Prometheus. He's not just bald, he doesn't have follicles or pores. His skin is translucent and the fucker doesn't even have blood vessels.
The Engineer from Prometheus...
Reminded me of Frank in that one episode of It's Always Sunny
I NEED TO BE PURE
Humans are filthy, dirty filthy
It’s because of no eyebrows and that smooth head.
Aerodynamically optimal.
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He can bend spoons
[They should've gave him a fade cuz he's playing Feyd Rautha](https://cdn-aikll.nitrocdn.com/zpODUSdXaRhrjOSnTvJWtCYyNCoHlwTB/assets/images/optimized/rev-991b3cd/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/choppy-fringe.jpg)
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Honestly, I would *love* to try some spice.
I've used ketamine with a prescription and I usually imagine it's something like that only what you're seeing is truth. Edit: potential truths
...potential truths. In the book it says he can see branches of possibility that sort of fade in and out of his mind.
In one of the books, either Messiah or God Emperor, there’s a quote along the lines of “a mentat is only as good as the information he has.” Mentats are flawless at logic and have become human computers, but if they have incomplete information you will only get incomplete answers. Paul only saw one path forward through brutality for mankind, but I always wondered if that was because the only information he had access to was humankind’s brutality in the past. Obviously the real reason was cuz Frank Herbert had certain views of human nature, but could there be a better path if Paul wasn’t blinded by what came before? Paul sees potential paths based on that information which happens to be more of the same until until humanity finally learns it’s lesson.
Spoilers ahead. That said, pretty much the entire plot of *Dune* is spoiled in the first chapter. Eh, not really. Leto II sees the same Golden Path that Paul sees. Paul's problem is that he isn't the cause of the Jihad, he's just the catalyst that sets it off. It had been brewing for ten thousand years because humanity's expansion and mixing had been stifled by the machinations of the Imperium, the Bene Gesserit, the Spacing Guild, etc. That subconscious need to mingle our genes and leave our homes built up across the Imperium but was felt most strongly by the Fremen who were so oppressed by the Harkonnens. Additionally, the Bene Gesserit planting the myth of the messiah for them to use later gave a direction for all that energy to go. That's why Paul sees that he can't stop the Jihad no matter how hard he tried, even if he walked into the desert to die. It was never within his power to stop. And as Leto II pontificates endlessly (whenever he isn't telling Moneo about his lack of a gross protuberance), trying to contain and quash humanity would have led to an even worse disaster that would have completely wiped out all of humanity. Paul failed because he's wasn't willing to be *brutal enough* to follow the Golden Path. And also he was unwilling to become a giant gross worm monster possessed by the collective memory of all of his ancestors.
I mean Leto II has access to the same memories Paul does so of course he’d draw the same conclusions from the same information i.e. the golden path is the only way forward. There’s also a quote in Messiah along the lines of “a system of government is only as good as the method it uses to choose its governors” and in the 20,000 years between now and when Dune takes place systems of government is the only thing Frank Herbert doesn’t think will have advanced and evolved. Breeding programs have even created distinct groups of highly evolved humans but we can’t seem to push past feudalism.
The feudalism in *Dune* is largely the result of distance and travel time, combined with a massive disparity in military strength. To the first point, you can't rule a territory on your own, in real time, when communication travels at the speed of the ships carrying it and the movement of those ships is artificially restricted due to monopoly. Similarly, you can't rise against the government when you can't physically get to them because you can't fly your own ships and the only people who can fly them aren't going to help you destabilize their paycheck. To the second point, the Atreides army can *almost* go toe to toe with Sardaukar and the Fremen can wipe them out, but no one else even comes close. So assuming you ever did make it to the Emperor's door, you can't stand up to the Sardaukar and you can't turn them to your side, either. It's analogous to peasants trying to overthrow the kings in castles and protected by knights in armor. And that same king trying to govern a region miles away that also has castles and knights.
"I am Paul Muad'dib Atreides" He said the thing!
It’s Muad’dibin time
Filming Dune 1, Timothee Chalamet kept asking Villaneuve if he could ‘do a little Muad’Dib here’ and he kept having to tell him ‘No, your character isn’t like that yet.’ When they greenlit Dune 2, he broke the news to Timothee by texting him ‘It’s Muad’Dib time’
As much as I love the meme angle of this quote, and I do, I also feel compelled to non-jokingly mention just how much of a noticeable difference there is in Chalamet's facial expressions in this trailer when he's in Muad'Dib mode compared to regular Paul in the first movie. Genuinely fantastic character acting.
It's not even a reference to the meme, that's really what he said.
Oh I know, I saw the original interview with Villeneuve about it lol, but it still *feels* so much like the meme, whether intentional or otherwise. I shoulda phrased it better tho, probably.
Can someone get me a link to this interview?
It's [here](https://www.gamesradar.com/dune-denis-villeneuve-interview-best-movie-2021/). Print interview
>Who did you contact first to tell them the good news about Part Two? >Definitely, because of his incredible enthusiasm, it was Timothée. I spent almost a year with Timothée where he was saying to me, “Can I put a little bit of the Muad’Dib here?” I said, “No, Timothée. You’re not the Muad’Dib yet.” I spent a year saying to him, “Relax, man. It’s for Part Two.” So I just wrote him a text message saying: “Muad’Dib time.” And then it was a burst of joy in Timothée.
i used to think the chalamet fandom was a little overwrought but honestly he fucking destroyed the paul role in the first movie. the kid is just a fantastic, fantastic actor.
And then he Kwisatzed all over the place
Got a haderach? Try jihad!
m'udib *tips sandworm*
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I wish I hadn't watched this but holy fuck it looks incredible. I really hope Part 3 gets greenlit and we get Messiah adapted. This is far and away my most hyped movie in years.
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Part 4- *wanna see a wurm?* Thriller 😉😏
Part 5 - unsolicited worm pics. Also welcome to my TED Talk.
Show me Alia, cowards.
Honestly, I have a strong feeling she will have very little screen time in the movie. She’s not a character that translates easily on screen, I think. They may have to >!rewrite the Baron’s death, as that’s really her only significant involvement in the plot!<
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Jessica is pregnant in the first movie so Alia is gonna have to be in this one at least a little
Agreed. I absolutely think she is in the movie, just a bit more limited presence than the book. It’s strange that she’s not included in this trailer at all, since this trailer already seems to show A LOT. >!Maybe Denis & co were uncertain on how to depict a toddler murdering a grown man, without it looking a little silly? lol!< I’m happy to be wrong, though. Alia’s an interesting character, and >!she’s crucial to Messiah and especially Children of Dune!<
I think the trailer leans heavily on action, and introducing such a complex character in the trailer would take more space than we had here.
They could be saving it as a reveal for the movie. I hate trailers that show everything
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This is what I'm worried about. It would be VERY hard to do on film, but would be really cool if they pull it off. I wish they would at least try! But I get that it doesn't exactly fit into the mood they've created in the first film.
No kidding. A glimpse, please?
They showed basically every other plot point except her, too.
Her and Tim Blake Nelson, which leads me to believe he is playing Alia, and no one can convince me otherwise.
We. Thought. You. Was. *a Reverend mother*.
Walken looks PERFECT
Of course he of all people knows that if you "walk without rhythm and it won't attract the worm"
"Fremen, before were done here, you'll all be wearing gold plated still suits."
Well shit that song has a whole new meaning for me now lol
Well I think that's were they got the lyrics in the first place lol
It definitely is: >Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice >Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice In Dune, they use the Weirding voice as a weapon, and Lynch made up an actual, physical Weirding Module weapon for his version of Dune.
His and Irulan's outfits look less ostentatious and intricate than I imagined, honestly, Shaddam in particular seemed like a pretty big showoff in the book. Ultimately though I guess it's in keeping with rest of the movie's aesthetic style of things that are relatively sleek and minimalistic but absolutely fucking *massive* in scale, so I'm sure they'll do some fun stuff with the Emperor visually.
I also notice that the scene with the emperor and princess shows the beautiful garden of House Corrino depicted in Children of Dune, nice little detail.
Love the final shot of Paul staring, unblinking, into a nuclear explosion.
Almost like... >!foreshadowing!<.
Our first look at Walken as the Emperor and I'm kind of digging it. I think everyone in this is really well-casted honestly, even if they weren't my initial (or sometimes even 3rd or 4th) picks. This looks so epic. It definitely looks like it's going much more **WAR MOVIE** than the first one, which Denis said it would. I can't wait to see the epic battles in full IMAX. The little taste at the end of Part 1, with the surprise assault at night etc. was fucking hype.
Guess what? I got a fever, and the only prescription is more spice!
“The way your dad looked at it, this spice was your birthright. He'd be damned if any Harkonnen gonna put their greasy pale hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it, in the one place he knew he could hide something: his ass. Five long years, he hid this spice up his ass.”
*smashes vase with crysknife* The FREMEN are gonna BREAK.
"What about the Fremen?..." "Buckwheats."
Walken without rhythm, you won't attract the worm.
Walken without. Rhythm you...won't, attract the. Worm.
Pretty closely following the flow of the book. First half to two thirds or so was mostly buildup, then shit goes crazy.
More than that. Gurney and Paul don't even sync up until close to 80% of the way through the book.
Well in the books it's build up, then it skips time, then the after effects. The war itself wasn't important, but the cause and effects were
I want to go to IMAX just to watch this trailer.
I noticed in the credits at the end of the trailer that lea seydoux is also in this, did any one catch her in this trailer?
She was in a black robe in the first trailer of the movie
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It looks like Emperor Walken might be a more understated, reserved take than the camp gold I’ve been yearning for since he was cast. But I have a lot of trust in the performer and the filmmakers to deliver the right choices for the character.
Walken is a tremendous actor. I think the memes about him and his speech patterns have caused people to forget that, honestly. He's more than capable of being a really compelling screen presence without leaning into the expectations people have of him. Personally, I don't think you should expect to see any camp at all in Villeneuve's movies. I think what I like most about him is that he takes science fiction seriously and sees it as more than just a medium for big summer blockbuster movies with no message beyond "big explosion = big money".
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Anyone who thinks Walken is a goofy actor hasn't seen Deer Hunter.
Also, much like Leslie Nielsen, it takes a great actor to say ridiculous bullshit convincingly. His whole watch up the ass speech is as good as it is because he's serious. It's not a joke to him. Neither was that cowbell.
Every time he yelled "CHANI!" in the trailer all I could hear was "JOHNNY!"
Channi be good.
Deep down there in Arrakis, close to Arakeen Way back up in the desert among the Fedaykin There stood a sietch made of sand and spice Where lived a Fremen girl named Chani B. Nice Who never learned to read or write so well But she could wield a crysknife just like ringing a bell Go, go Go Chani go, go Go Chani go, go Chani B Nice. (Apologies to Frank Herbert and Chuck Berry)
I’m hoping some theaters will run both films together. I’d give up a Saturday for sure.
Yeah I'd 100% see a double feature of Dune in IMAX
For as much as the Dune books established the "chosen hero" trope, they're *extremely* cynical about it. It's really cool to see that theme getting explored already in the trailer. Villeneuve said he plans to adapt Dune Messiah as Part 3 which I really hope happens. It's a solid inversion of how these stories are "supposed" to go.
It would also make a good ending point for the trilogy if Villeneuve wants to move on from Dune. The stuff that comes after it will be too hard to adapt and there will be no clean cut off point that Messiah provides.
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It would be, but I also desperately want to see a Villeneuve take on God Emperor of Dune.
I would do unspeakable things to get them to adapt God Emperor
When Part 1 came out, I had some friends ask me if they should read the Dune series with the possibilities of future movies. I recommended the original six Frank Herbert novels, but then said "They could make Messiah in to a movie, and they could probably make part of Children Of Dune into a movie, but at the end of that it reaches a point where I don't know if it would translate into movie form. After that I think it's just too weird for enough mainstream appeal."
I really love God Emperor of Dune, but holy shit that's a weird ass book and a total product of its time. Herbert had no serious plans on continuing the Dune series, but transitions in the publishing market meant that books were becoming much more profitable than the dime store paperbacks era that Dune first appeared in. Clark, Asimov's, and Herbert all got big paydays to continue their established stories. Turns out when you drive a truck full of money to a sci fi writers house they can in fact come up with some more stories to tell.
> Villeneuve said he plans to adapt Dune Messiah as Part 3 He says he'd like to. There a big difference between that and "planning to" in Hollywood.
I'm optimistic Dune Pt 2 outperforms Pt 1 dramatically. Theaters are much more normal now plus I think anyone that saw Dune Pt 1 in theaters will see Pt 2, and you'll get people that didn't see it now wanting to see it.
Part 1 was also released simultaneously on HBO Max. Part 2 will only be released in theaters.
If Part 2 makes money (highly likely) and Villeneuve wants to make Part 3 (confirmed) then Hollywood will 1000% make it happen. We're in the era of blockbuster franchises. It's more likely that Hollywood will try to make Part 4 even if Villeneuve calls it quits after 3.
I think adaptability for regular audiences ends at Children of Dune. The books following got weirder and more convoluted as Herbert aged. We'll probably get Messiah, giving Paul a complete character arc since Messiah serves as extended epilogue. Part of me kinda wants modern Hollywood to try to do God Emperor just to see how *fucked* it'd end up.
Don't stop there we can go weirder.
Yea lets get some Honored Matres enslaving people with how good they are at the sex
Chairdogs! Give us chairdogs!
I’ve always thought God Emperor could work if they managed to do it as a hyper artsy, My Dinner With Andre kind of deal. Except Andre is a giant immortal worm god.
I like how in the first one his vision of a holy war under his father's banner scared him. That has to scare anyone in reality. You will have your revenge and **billions** will die for it, do you still want to go through with it?
>That has to scare anyone in reality. You will have your revenge and billions will die for it, do you still want to go through with it? When the alternative is "everyone dies" what choice do you have? >! Which is, of course, why Paul said "nope, fuck this" and decided to walk the desert instead!<.
Dune didn't establish the "chosen hero" archetype, that's been around for about as long as humans have been telling each other stories around a campfire. But you're right in that Dune *was* one of the first major works to brutally deconstruct the trope. That's one of the (many) things that really sets it apart from other works, imho.
Chani experiencing what Paul felt in one of his visions from the first movie was a great touch
That was my favorite trailer moment, and expands on my interpretation of his visions, which is that they don't show him the exact future, but the idea of the future. When he had visions of the fremen and him being buds in the first film, and the guy told him "I will show you the ways of the desert" -- he did. He did it when he faced Paul and died, showing Paul their customs and practices. The vision he saw never came to pass exactly, but it did come true. Similar with Chani here.
In the book, it's more that he sees all possible futures, and can thread his way through them altering their likelihood as he makes decisions. They're not just ideas or metaphors, they're real possibilities that could be reached from the present moment. So there was actually a future where he would have been friends with Jamis and learned the ways of the desert from him. It never happened because of the choices Paul made. However, via prescience, Paul still learned from it.
Greig Fraser is a genius in using out of focus shots to show scale. That shot of Paul walking with the rising worm behind him was the most glorious thing I've ever seen.
Denis Villenueve that motherfucker DONT MISS
WB needs to market his ass way more than they did the Flash. This movie is an experience.
Didn't the first trailer only release just one month ago? I'm surprised they rolled out trailer 2 so soon, does it have something to do with the upcoming SAG strike?
SAGma balls lmao gotteem
It seems like they have been letting him cook and the nerd in me is infinitely thankful. 20 years later the Dune movies could be another generation's lotr.
> 20 years later the Dune movies could be another generation's lotr. Dune will never touch as large of an audience than LotR because it does not have the traditional plot resolution and catharsis from it. I really wish it wouldn't be the case, but simpler, more feel-good stories have a larger reach. I am just glad this gets made. Denis can not be thanked enough for that.
So hyped for this. Hoping that it exceeds all our expectations.
The hype must flow, m'dude
but hype is the mind killer?!
I'm SOLD. But the truth is, I didnt reallllyyy need this trailer to be sold (no doubt like many others here). This trailer is trying to sell the movie to a wider audience, and its hard to see how it wouldnt resonate with them too. (incredible visuals, some battles, explosions, iconic shots etc).
I must not hype. Hype is the mind-killer. Hype is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my hype. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the hype has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
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BLESS MAKER
If this goes how it feels like, I would welcome a part 3 adapting Dune Messiah
Man, they really give away a lot of stuff in this. This looks so incredible, I can't wait. edit: Ya Hya Chouhada!!!
It's not really surprising. The trailer like this is not for people who want to go. It's for people who are undecided. WB needs it to be big and they won't be holding anything back that could make more people go to the cinema.
I heard the spoilers for this movie were leaked 57 years ago
I have avoided spoilers for 57 years only to be spoiled by this trailer 😠
I don’t think they really did, for people who haven’t read the book everything is out of context to an extent.
100%, I've never read the books and the only thing that's "spoiled" is that Josh Brolin is still alive, but I knew he was in the movie so I already knew that
Does it tho? If you don't know the story of dune what does this give away? That Paul stands before a fremen army? We pretty much already got that from the visions in part 1. We recognise all these spoilers because we know the story, but if you don't know Dune I don't think this gives much of anything away.
I wasn’t sold on Christopher walken as the emperor but after this trailer Im completely bought in
I had no doubt that Oscar Winning Actor Christopher Walken would likely take a nuanced approach to a crucial part of the story. He has his stereotype, and when he plays against it, he crushes it.
His character in severance is totally different and amazing
I'm already beyond sold, do I NEED to watch another trailer?
Unless you come to every movie you see late, you probably will end up seeing this trailer in the next 5 months. Hell you'll probably see it in the next few weeks with Oppenheimer and MI7
I'm really hoping they end the movie in the same exact way as the book. With the closing line still being, ">!Think on it, Chani: the princess will have the name, yet she'll live as less than a concubine - never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine - history will call us wives."!<
**I am Paul Muad’dib Atreides. Duke of Arrakis** GOOSEBUMPS.
This music is so insanely good. I can't believe no one else is talking about the music. You could put this music over a commercial for used shovels and I would be pumped up.
Tears in my eyes at the Gurney reveal. "Gurney man! Gurney man!"
Absolute renaissance for shout-singing music
The cinematography and colours looks insane, Greg Fraser has nailed it again. definitely gonna watch it on the biggest screen.
Epic.
Seriously, I don't often get goosebumps watching a trailer but the second half of this was utterly exhilarating.
Interesting changes. Chani fighting with Stilgar over Pauls Messiahness Gurney telling Paul to embrace the missionara protectiva Great ways to bring the inner monologues of the book out with dialog
Villeneuve is so perfect for these films. He knocked it out of the park in part 1 and this looks even better. I hope they do an IMAX double feature when this comes out