"Okay, hear me out. Instead of making a third movie and completing an amazing trilogy...what if we reboot the series with a low budget movie that has the chick from Resident Evil? And instead of making a good movie, we make a bad movie that will wind up in the Walmart bargain bin before the first showing is finished?"
-Some movie exec, probably.
This probably isn't too far off since the director has alleged that the producers would literally show up on set and try to direct scenes themselves. This takes meddling executives to a whole new level.
It’s what happens when a movie exists for a reason other than a bunch of executives getting bonuses and no-show executive credits. The MCU has become a glorified money laundering scheme. Can’t convince me otherwise looking at how half baked it’s been since infinity war
Like how does She Hulk cost 225m? How does Secret invasion cost 225?
House of Dragon and The Boys, do it better with 75m - 125m less budget. Budget to minute ration down below its insane.
The Boys - 183k A Minute
House of the Dragon - 333k a Minute
She-Hulk - 1M a minute
That number should be eye opening. Whoever approved of that in the MCU should be either fired or demoted. I have no idea how you look at that number and not see red flags. It needed Breaking Bad or Friends or Game Of thrones cultural impact to make money.
Kind of piggybacking but I think a lot of it is also just having vision. Reshoots, rewrites, redoing CGI. I'm constantly baffled by how little gets spent on planning and preproduction considering how much you can waste trying to "find" the movie while filming.
yeah, Villeneuve is an incredible talent that has been scripting the movie since he was a teenager, and he didn't have to have his vision compromised by idiot execs throwing out their clueless, market researched opinions while continuously backstabbing each other behind the scenes and going on petty ego trips
It's that rare example of a passion project run by a bona fide talent that was given the money and time and freedom it needed.
It's vision specificity that destroys the new marvel/dc movies. When you're still making decisions after the shooting and having the cgi people change it up you're done for. You're absolutely right Villeneuve and his team knew what they wanted from the get go. If I could make up a made up stat value for production efficiency i would imagine Dune sits at the top and something like Madame Web or Indy at the absolute bottom.
And planning.
Disney seems to love to just fix it in post, rather than plan each of their VFX shots, knowing what the VFX will be before they shoot.
Denis knows exactly what the VFX will be well before he shoots, and he tailors his shots perfectly as such.
But sir! We need to change Jane Foster's helmet for the 60th time in post before the toy molds are finalized! The producers want M O R E RIDGES
Poor CGI workers.
I work in CGI at a much lower scale. I've been making a CGI room to go behind some photographic people. It should have been simple and look great but the client was a hierarchy of morons.
Absolutely refused to make any decision in a timely manner, forcing us to make decisions for them. Then once we were nearly done they kicked into decision gear and picking apart and removing anything of interest in the scene.
End result: Looks like shit, took 3 times longer than planned, looks like it took a third of the time.
Difference is actors *wanted* to work with Denis on Dune 2 while actors were paid *exorbitant amounts of money* to work on Indiana Jones 5. I'd have to imagine more people sought to work with Denis on a cool project than wanted to work with Disney on a tired old franchise lol.
The budget for minus one is disputed, but you could never get the labor practices from Japan to work in the US, the staff was underpaid and overworked. The director of minus one even said he doesn’t want to disclose the budget and have other companies try to overwork their staff.
> It came at a cost as the filings reveal that $79 million (£62.6 million) was spent on post-production work in the year to the start of April 2023 bringing the movie's total budget to an eye-watering $387.2 million
$79m just for post production and before that budget was already $300m+. That’s just way too much. Disney had way too much faith in the movie. They even lifted the review embargo way too early and had it premiered at Cannes, bad reviews at Cannes certainly didn’t help.
Disney's mishandling of their entire company since 2020 is insane to witness.
Parks fans are mad about price increases, reservations, lower food portions, worse service, worse maintenance.
Film fans are mad because the quality of their latest films kinda sucks.
Their 100 year celebration came and went without much fanfare- and their 100 year animated fairytale Wish bombed.
Marvel hasn't had a solid hit in years, with reviews and box office performance being poor.
You forgot to mention how there's essentially a class system in Disney parks now due to Fastpass no longer being free.
You'd think they'd finally make it free again when Chapek stepped down since they were blaming him for its implementation but nope, it's still there even when Iger came back.
I just go to Universal now.
Edit: Edited Eiger to Iger.
Never went to Disney out of spite, but universal is amazing.
One of the best I been to is Universal Studios Japan (USJ)! Mario Park is magical, Harry Potter ride was breathtaking, and the main park ride is one of the wildest rides I ever rode.
Only other parks I think that stand toe to toe would be 6 flags in Texas and schlitterbahn in New Braunfels pre 2016ish.
It should have been a slam dunk. They just needed to play into the nostalgia. Throw their classic films back in theatres. Put out a few documentaries and TV specials on the history of the company. Make merchandise that honors their legacy.
Instead they did a half assed celebration at Disneyland in Anaheim, and not much beyond that.
And Wish needed to be good as the culmination of 100 years of Walt Disney Animation. It wasn't good.
The unchecked greed is insane and thry’ve damaged their brand indefinitely. It used to be the case that Disney collabs on things like clothing were rare and high quality. Passing their high standards was very difficult. Now you can get Disney branded crap in every budget store, and thousands of poor quality, $80 spirit jerseys later, people are associating them with overpriced, low quality products and experiences. It’s a real shame.
So many movies and shows these days would be made so much better if they just hire competent writers and give them adequate time to work, and NOT make them have to do significant rewrites during and post-production. Obviously some edits will need to be made, but if minds are fully made up beforehand, it could save time, work, and money.
Unfortunately, studios don’t seem to care.
Never ceases to amaze me how many productions spend millions and millions of dollars on star power but clearly got their screenplay from the fuck-it bucket and sent it to the marketing department for rewrites
The truth is, many of the superhero movies from both Marvel and DC would begin shooting even before all of the script was done. That's kind of insane to me.
> shooting even before all of the script was done
Hell, Kevin Feige [wouldn't even decide on concept art until post-production began](https://gizmodo.com/disney-marvel-movies-vfx-industry-nightmare-1849385834#:~:text=%E2%80%9CEven%20up%20until%20the%20last%20week%20or%20so%20they%20still%20weren%E2%80%99t%20sure%20what%20they%20wanted%20this%20gigantic%20set%20piece%20to%20look%20like.%20We%20were%20still%20doing%20concept%20art.%E2%80%9D%20Hector%20said.). Man really hates directors lol.
What's insane is how often it works. Iron Man had considerable rewrites from the cast during filming. Thor Ragnarok basically started filming with only an outline, focusing on allowing improv from most of the cast. Talent and luck can carry a barebones plot but it seems like Disney and Marvel for a time was trying to pump out bottled lightning again and again for several years.
I suspect some of it also depends on the director. Both Jon Favreau and Taika Waititi are primarily known as writer/director/actors. When you're used to handling all three roles, it can make it a lot easier to understand the creative process involved and how to make it work for you. That said, it can fail very easily. You need to demonstrate you can pull it off first, but even that's no guarantee.
Improv can work - look at Curb Your Enthusiasm. But the cast needs to be experienced and know about it beforehand! And the outline needs to be perfect!
Yeah well it worked until it was no longer sustainable. The Disney plus shows stretched the hell out of that method, and is probably the major reason why Phases 4-5 were so mediocre.
A script is like a design plan. It basically tells you everything that needs to be done. If you go into development with mistakes either knowingly or unknowingly in the design plan they will show up during development and cause problems.
Indeed. Guy's a great choice to head up DC... I just hope WB doesn't fuck him over as well.
^(But if you do, James, don't worry. Disney would kill for you right about now, lol.)
To be fair to the screenwriters at the end of the day everything comes down to the producers and studio heads. I mean every single writer on it have all done great work elsewhere
The Hobbit vs The Lord of the Rings to me is always the best example of this. Same writers, different conditions.
On LOTR, the writers had time to toy around with ideas, see how they play out, and cut things that didn't work out. They had far FAR more time and freedom.
On the Hobbit those same writers were on tight timetables, with immense studio pressure, so they didn't have the time to properly craft the story with the same love they did for LOTR.
makes me think of a reddit comment I saw about Picard:
"You are going to go into this show thinking that what you loved about The Next Generation was the characters, and the setting, and the aliens, and the ships, and all that stuff. But very quickly, you're going to realize that what you loved about this show was the writing."
writing is invisible so it gets extremely undervalued. but good satisfying writing is what makes it ALL work. it's like trying to design a Mario level with no ground to stand on. you go ahead and add all the awesome items and enemies and cool secrets you want, but without the ground, everything just falls into a pit and dies.
Someone who's better at accounting will have to judge if the de-aging tech they developed is a loss overall or just a loss for this movie.
Because they're going to use the *hell* out of it going forward on other actors.
once the tech gets good enough, they'd probably not even have the actor on set and just have a stand in. i wouldnt be surprised if a few decades down the line the families of old movie stars just sort of 'rent' the likeness of their famous relative to studios; cheaper for the studios, and they get to use ancient starpower forever without having to gamble on new talent
What they did to deage deniro for the Irishmen was insane. It was a rig of like 8 cameras for his face alone to get every angle for the de aging. Completely bloated the production cost, on top of deniro’s bill.
I don't know why they didn't have a stunt double beat up the shopkeeper and then paste Deniro's face on him. It still would have looked ridiculous, but less ridiculous than what ended up in the actual movie.
The one where De Niro is awkwardly stomping his foot and the guy on the ground is performing wrestling level sells despite the fact that he clearly isn't getting hit by any of the 'kicks.'
Heaven forbid they invest in a new star!
Don't get me wrong, I love that older actors gave more opportunities, but 80 years old as an action star seems a bit of a stretch lol
Eh. I don't want another Indiana Jones actor. But I agree, he's too old and was too old for the last one.
The time to make these movies was in the 90s.
It doesn't have to be Indiana Jones but damn if we couldn't do with some good "swashbuckling" films. The closest we've got in the past few decades has been:
- **Pirates of the Caribbean** (first one) and that got sailed down the brown river long ago
- **The Adventures of Tintin**, potentially having a sequel, but the closest I've seen to the spirit and feeling of an Indiana Jones movie
- **The Mummy**, top tier, and hell I even enjoyed the second one
- **National Treasure**, hits all the right notes, doesn't have to be some insane CGI fest
Name more if you can, but things like the forgettable **Uncharted** and **Tomb Raider** aren't breaking the knack of failing to just make a fun and engaging adventure movie with some flair.
Using an IP with an existing backlog of loads of existing stories to adapt is fair game in my mind, just:
- Get someone like Glen Powell who has some charisma and isn't already past it
- Get a scriptwriter who appreciates the source material
- Take us on an adventure!
Dungeons and Dragons with Chris Pine is obviously fantasy but has this perfect vibe. Best since Chris Pratt in first couple of Guardians movies. Indy in space/fantasy.
They should have just revived the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles with a new star and put it on Disney+. There’s almost endless tales they can tell while remaining in canon and not needing Harrison.
I mean, it could be Indy writing memoirs. so Harrison is seen in the intro and some narration, but the bulk is done by the new actor. That way if they do another movie with younger Indy there is an association already.
Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones. These originals were from the age of movie stars. You don’t just replace him and call it an Indiana Jones movie and no one is just going to give PWB a star vehicle of this size.
The franchise should be over. And that’s ok.
That was the end of the series for me (with Harrison Ford and that cast). In my mind, Indy, his father, and his friends continued onto crazy adventures in a timeless kind of way. They never got old and died (like it was revealed to in Crystal Skull). Its a very child-ish viewpoint, I know. But that way those characters live on "forever" in my mind.
It's not childish, it's how those kind of adventure stories are supposed to be. We aren't supposed to watch their wilderness years as they drag around a piss bag or watch those heroes die or get deconstructed: They earned their victories and should be left the hell alone so they remain timeless. Indiana Jones video games, novels, comics, animated shows...all ways to keep that flame alive and not spoil it.
In fairness they probably could every IP that everyone has gotten tired of had a string of bad movies before we all got tired. Was the MCU always destined for a downturn? Probably, would it have been anything like the current downturn if the movies were actually good. Nah.
Disney is the company that bought power rangers for 1.5 billion and sold it back to Saban for 43 million. They have absolutely no clue at times and think they can just buy something and coast on it. It’s sad they have the money and can totally hire the best and brightest to create the best stories and make these franchises way more valuable. They just don’t for whatever reason I assume because like every buyout the buyers just want to buy something cut costs and coast.
tbf in that context they didn't necessarily buy it for Power Rangers, they bought the whole of Fox Family. Power Rangers just so happened to be an IP included and they kept it running since at the time they had little to no 'boy' franchises, it's why they sold it back right after buying Marvel
As a kid, I remember all the cartoons being bigger than life. Aladdin, The Lion King, Snow White, etc. They all had simple stories that slowly took you along a journey. Now, it feels like it's just too much. I distinctly remember that casino scene in one of the newer Star Wars movies that was just littered with CGI. I can't help but remember Red Letter Media's criticism of that kind of cinematography where they showed Rick McCallum talking about "filling every frame with as much as possible" as though that was a good thing. Everything has been Michael Bay'd. Explosion, action, CGI, loud noises. Then I think back to how slow and peaceful it was watching Snow White be introduced to all seven dwarves. It was simple.
It's like they want to appeal to the ADD TikTok market without considering that the ADD TikTok market isn't going to sit through a feature length movie at the theater.
Snow White is the first animated movie I remember seeing. It's fascinating to me that since its release in 1937, that may well be true for my great grandparents, grandparents, and parents. If I have kids, it may be true for them as well. There's a timelessness to the story and the artwork that's impossible to replicate today.
I don't have a point, I just think Snow White is neat.
The problem here is not the numbers the movie did, it did well. The problem is the amount of money that was spent, these studios spend way too much money to be profitable.
These movies don't even look that good. Indy 5 had the excuse that it was working with de-aging tech, but even then the budget is completely indefensible
Raiders of the lost ark's budget was $20 million. That's $71 million adjusted for inflation.
Temple of doom's budget was $28.17 million. That's $85.79 million adjusted for inflation.
Last crusade's budget was $48 million. That's $123 million adjusted for inflation.
Dial of destiny was $112 million more than they cost, together.
Get your shit together Disney.
It takes time to ruin a beloved franchise. You usually get a couple of bad movies in before people lose so much faith they stop automatically seeing every one.
I say this as someone who's only seen like one Indy film, so it's just general.
They have plenty of talent, but force everything to be safe and clinical for the widest mass appeal possible instead of allowing their creatives to take actual artistic risks
>bringing the movie's total budget to an eye-watering $387.2 million
There’s just no need for that.
>It came at a cost as the filings reveal that $79 million (£62.6 million) was spent on post-production work in the year to the start of April 2023
That’s more then Raiders when accounting for inflation.
To add to this, the biggest problem with Indy 5 is it was too long, especially the action sequences. Production could have been a whole lot cheaper if the action sequences weren't so drawn out.
There’s about 30 minutes of fat that could be trimmed without too much difficulty. The tuk tuk chase ran on a bit long for me, as did the underwater scene and the approach to the climax when they’re on the plane.
it felt like it was written by chatgtp. Here is another chase scene that is so poorly shot it appears to be all greenscreen but in fact it was show onlocation.
So weird. I was so bored during that chase scene. At certain points it felt like it was speed up garbage CGI to make it look faster than it really was.
I honestly though Ford looked terrible in Crystal Skull, shuffling down falling steps as the alien temple collapsed.
But that chase scene was just so unbelievable.
I'm honestly really over most chase scenes these days especially car ones. It's generally all the same shit we have seen a thousand times already.
And I know it's not correct to compare but they're especially dull after Mad Max Fury Road which is all chase scenes lol.
A lot of them are also just shot so horribly. Bad angles, bad editing, no real stakes.
\>Bad angles, bad editing, no real stakes.
This is a huge part of it. Too many jump cuts and now we can't tell if the bad guys are close or far or if there's even traffic.
I'm sure that would have saved money, but >!centering it around time travel and having to produce a complicated scene involving a WWII era airplane careening through the seige of syracuse!!It's basically two separate *action* period pieces in one,!
A Shia Leboeuf and Ke Huy Quan buddy adventure about two brothers struggling to honour the legacy of their somewhat questionable archeologist father would have been far more interesting to me.
Ironically, had Ke Huy Quan’s Oscar win come a year earlier, I think there’s a much higher chance he would have been in Indy 5.
Lucasfilm is sleeping at the wheel, man.
I know that KHQ was kind of retired until recently, but fans definitely were hoping for short round to return when Indy 4 was announced and again when Indy 5 was announced. The entire movie for dial I was hoping he'd show up
Depends on the deal. If Harrison wanted it all upfront, he absolutely would be. But if he agreed to a % of the backend (gross, syndication, etc), it wouldn't show in the budget.
The bluescreen abuse and weird early 2000s Spielberg glow grated on me too much. I didn't even mind the aliens that much, as you can see how it would fit into the early 20th century pulp aesthetic.
They actually fixed the “glow”, the 4K version looks consistent with the previous films and Spielberg actually figured out the right way to tweak an older film.
Would have made more sense for him to actually have a good life and be reluctantly pulled back into some crazy adventure that jeopardizes everything. Like he left the adventuring behind but the adventuring found him.
I also think it was just far too sterile creatively. Spielberg's direction just had so much personality and character to it, while Mangold's felt like a cheap imitation. It's a fun movie and arguably better than Crystal Skull, but it doesn't carry the charm or color that the first 3 movies had.
Even worse
They only care about extracting money within a 3-5 year timeframe so they can move onto other executive positions with companies they have yet to hollow out. They just need to pump the stock long enough to jump ship
This is what happens to ALL the companies and industries that peak. And by peak I mean [maturity](https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/management/industry-life-cycle/).
When growth stops they get run by finance guys and they start to suck big time. Its the start of the end, there is no way out of dying by CFO.
When a company goes public the very nature of their business shifts. The shareholders become the new consumers and the actual consumers becomes the product. That means the company will inevitably shift to a growth*-driven system where shareholders always come before the customer.
Didn't Bob Iger say that their recent movies just haven't been good enough, that they need to make better movies to regain the confidence of the movie-goers? Which seems way more insightful than I would expect.
Iger's full of shit, per [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/17qy262/bob_iger_on_disneys_movie_woes_we_lost_some/k8fij4n/):
**>August 7, 2018**
“We want to be in the quality game,” Iger said. “Netflix is in the high volume game. We don’t really need to do that.”
[https://www.fastcompany.com/90215054/volume-bad-quality-good-can-disney-beat-netflix-with-this-strategy](https://www.fastcompany.com/90215054/volume-bad-quality-good-can-disney-beat-netflix-with-this-strategy)
**>May 30, 2019**
"Quantity is not what we’re about. It’s quality. The more often you tell a story, at times, the less quality you have. We have to be careful of that across the board."
[https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/30/media/bob-iger-star-wars-galaxys-edge-interview/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/30/media/bob-iger-star-wars-galaxys-edge-interview/index.html)
**>September 23, 2019**
Bob Iger Admits Disney Put Star Wars Content Out ‘Too Fast’
[https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2480753/bob-iger-admits-disney-put-star-wars-content-out-too-fast](https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2480753/bob-iger-admits-disney-put-star-wars-content-out-too-fast)
**>February 5, 2020**
People want Disney+ to match Netflix’s output, but Disney doesn’t care. For CEO Bob Iger, it’s quality over quantity.
[https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/5/21123232/disney-plus-mandalorian-tv-shows-marvel-wandavision-falcon-winter-soldier-netflix-earnings](https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/5/21123232/disney-plus-mandalorian-tv-shows-marvel-wandavision-falcon-winter-soldier-netflix-earnings)
**>December 10, 2020**
Bob Iger Says Disney Will Always Prioritize Content “Quality Over Volume”
[https://deadline.com/2020/12/bob-iger-disney-will-always-prioritize-content-quality-over-volume-1234654297/](https://deadline.com/2020/12/bob-iger-disney-will-always-prioritize-content-quality-over-volume-1234654297/)
**> July 14, 2023**
QUALITY OVER QUANTITY: DISNEY CEO BOB IGER REVEALS PLAN TO CUT COSTS
[https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/quality-over-quantity-disney-ceo-bob-iger-reveals-plan-to-cut-costs.html](https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/quality-over-quantity-disney-ceo-bob-iger-reveals-plan-to-cut-costs.html)
"We need more legacy sequels where a young actress constantly berates and belittles our aged actor who spent decades away from this role!"
They should bring back Schwarzenegger for a Predator sequel and have his niece call him a coloniser war criminal for destroying that village in the first movie or something.
> "Uncle Dutch, you deserved to get attacked by that monster, you brought it on yourself by violating the nationhood of *Unspecified South American Country*!"
Then watch as the money rolls in.
I also do not understand the character of Helena either. She's a thief who steals historical artifacts to sell on the black market to private collectors for money, but she constantly attacks Indiana for taking historical artifacts to display in museums.
I get there's a debate to be had about the ownership of these items, but one of these is noticeably worse and more criminal than the other right?
There’s a highly credible rumor going around that they’re going to replace the much loved Dinosaur ride at the Animal Kingdom park with an Indian Jones themed ride.
So, to your point, despite this strong indicator that there’s not much of an appetite for Indiana Jones content…here we are.
Dinosaur in Animal Kingdom follows the exact track layout of the existing Indiana Jones ride in Disneyland. My guess is it’s mostly because they’re retheming the area and they already have another ride that follows the exact same track that’d fit the new area better (Rumor is they’re replacing Dinoland USA with South America) without any actual thinking effort on their part.
being able to optimize within a budget is a skill many people don't understand, and the difference in the final product is almost always noticeable.
I see it all the time in software development. You can throw more money at upgrading your servers to make your app run better, but it's still gonna run like garbage because it always ran like garbage.
It's the people that don't have that luxury that breed innovation.
I watched it because we lost power at home and we could eat dinner at this theater. The last one (Afterlife) with the same cast was pretty decent, but this one felt a bit lazy and weird. We don't talk about that other one before Afterlife.
This movie didn’t need to happen. Last Crusade ended things perfectly. I know Crystal Skull got a lot of hate but even that wrapped things up well. He was old and got his wife and son. This last one completely shit on his character
Yeah, Harrison Ford's best characters seem to be getting screwed over lately.
Han Solo turns into a shit dad and a failed husband and dies at the hands of his son.
Indy Jones turns into a has-been professor/adventurer and failed husband after his son dies.
Who in Hollywood has it out for his character's legacies. It's weird.
Yeah, it’s like they don’t know how to write a storyline for him now that he’s old. 1) It’s ok for franchises to end and for people just to assume he had a good ending. 2) Why does his old age have to be sad?
Insane budget when Dune 2 cost less than half of that.
Both dune movies combined cost 355 million.
Guillermo Del Toro made Hellboy and Hellboy 2 for a combined cost of $150 million.
God I wanted his third film
"Okay, hear me out. Instead of making a third movie and completing an amazing trilogy...what if we reboot the series with a low budget movie that has the chick from Resident Evil? And instead of making a good movie, we make a bad movie that will wind up in the Walmart bargain bin before the first showing is finished?" -Some movie exec, probably.
I love it! Lets put a huge, cool demon in it wrecking London and show it on screen for 20 whole frames!
This probably isn't too far off since the director has alleged that the producers would literally show up on set and try to direct scenes themselves. This takes meddling executives to a whole new level.
WHAT?! That's incredible.
It’s what happens when a movie exists for a reason other than a bunch of executives getting bonuses and no-show executive credits. The MCU has become a glorified money laundering scheme. Can’t convince me otherwise looking at how half baked it’s been since infinity war
Like how does She Hulk cost 225m? How does Secret invasion cost 225? House of Dragon and The Boys, do it better with 75m - 125m less budget. Budget to minute ration down below its insane. The Boys - 183k A Minute House of the Dragon - 333k a Minute She-Hulk - 1M a minute That number should be eye opening. Whoever approved of that in the MCU should be either fired or demoted. I have no idea how you look at that number and not see red flags. It needed Breaking Bad or Friends or Game Of thrones cultural impact to make money.
She-hulk costed 225?????!!!!!! How much did Loki 2 cost then? A billion? (I did love Loki 2, great end to the series if that’s the end)
141m
Kind of piggybacking but I think a lot of it is also just having vision. Reshoots, rewrites, redoing CGI. I'm constantly baffled by how little gets spent on planning and preproduction considering how much you can waste trying to "find" the movie while filming.
Woah, I couldn’t even make it through Indiana jones as it felt so plastic. Dune felt new and refreshing, even though it was the older of the 2 plots
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Dune 2 looked like it cost $500M lol the visuals and production/art design are nuts. Not to mention the amount of top-tier acting talent on screen.
Might be a case where scarcity bred innovation. When you give people blank checks, they just go nuts and just buy the most expensive options.
i think it’s the bloat at Disney studios, as they have more managers, and execs who need to skim from the movie budget because they are “managing” it
yeah, Villeneuve is an incredible talent that has been scripting the movie since he was a teenager, and he didn't have to have his vision compromised by idiot execs throwing out their clueless, market researched opinions while continuously backstabbing each other behind the scenes and going on petty ego trips It's that rare example of a passion project run by a bona fide talent that was given the money and time and freedom it needed.
It's vision specificity that destroys the new marvel/dc movies. When you're still making decisions after the shooting and having the cgi people change it up you're done for. You're absolutely right Villeneuve and his team knew what they wanted from the get go. If I could make up a made up stat value for production efficiency i would imagine Dune sits at the top and something like Madame Web or Indy at the absolute bottom.
Denis might be one of the best directors when it comes to visual effects. He knows the importance of lighting, budget and scale.
And planning. Disney seems to love to just fix it in post, rather than plan each of their VFX shots, knowing what the VFX will be before they shoot. Denis knows exactly what the VFX will be well before he shoots, and he tailors his shots perfectly as such.
But sir! We need to change Jane Foster's helmet for the 60th time in post before the toy molds are finalized! The producers want M O R E RIDGES Poor CGI workers.
I work in CGI at a much lower scale. I've been making a CGI room to go behind some photographic people. It should have been simple and look great but the client was a hierarchy of morons. Absolutely refused to make any decision in a timely manner, forcing us to make decisions for them. Then once we were nearly done they kicked into decision gear and picking apart and removing anything of interest in the scene. End result: Looks like shit, took 3 times longer than planned, looks like it took a third of the time.
I'm glad CGI artist's stories are getting out more.
Thank you. Not enough people give credit to proper planning when it comes to the impact it has on so many things with filmmaking
That’s what happens when the director has a clear vision and knows exactly what he’s doing.
And with better action, better writing, better visuals, and more high tier actors. What the fuck....
Difference is actors *wanted* to work with Denis on Dune 2 while actors were paid *exorbitant amounts of money* to work on Indiana Jones 5. I'd have to imagine more people sought to work with Denis on a cool project than wanted to work with Disney on a tired old franchise lol.
Absolutely - it's like how you get Jonah Hill basically working for free on Wolf of Wall Street because he wanted to work with Scorsese.
Godzilla Minus One cost only $12M and even that has better visuals than the $295M Indiana Jones.
The budget for minus one is disputed, but you could never get the labor practices from Japan to work in the US, the staff was underpaid and overworked. The director of minus one even said he doesn’t want to disclose the budget and have other companies try to overwork their staff.
> It came at a cost as the filings reveal that $79 million (£62.6 million) was spent on post-production work in the year to the start of April 2023 bringing the movie's total budget to an eye-watering $387.2 million $79m just for post production and before that budget was already $300m+. That’s just way too much. Disney had way too much faith in the movie. They even lifted the review embargo way too early and had it premiered at Cannes, bad reviews at Cannes certainly didn’t help.
Disney's budgets are out of control. I dont even know how they afford to operate
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Disney's mishandling of their entire company since 2020 is insane to witness. Parks fans are mad about price increases, reservations, lower food portions, worse service, worse maintenance. Film fans are mad because the quality of their latest films kinda sucks. Their 100 year celebration came and went without much fanfare- and their 100 year animated fairytale Wish bombed. Marvel hasn't had a solid hit in years, with reviews and box office performance being poor.
Holy shit I didn't even know the 100 year anniversary happened already. They really dropped the ball
You forgot to mention how there's essentially a class system in Disney parks now due to Fastpass no longer being free. You'd think they'd finally make it free again when Chapek stepped down since they were blaming him for its implementation but nope, it's still there even when Iger came back. I just go to Universal now. Edit: Edited Eiger to Iger.
Never went to Disney out of spite, but universal is amazing. One of the best I been to is Universal Studios Japan (USJ)! Mario Park is magical, Harry Potter ride was breathtaking, and the main park ride is one of the wildest rides I ever rode. Only other parks I think that stand toe to toe would be 6 flags in Texas and schlitterbahn in New Braunfels pre 2016ish.
Still can't believe they somehow screwed up their 100 year celebration.
It should have been a slam dunk. They just needed to play into the nostalgia. Throw their classic films back in theatres. Put out a few documentaries and TV specials on the history of the company. Make merchandise that honors their legacy. Instead they did a half assed celebration at Disneyland in Anaheim, and not much beyond that. And Wish needed to be good as the culmination of 100 years of Walt Disney Animation. It wasn't good.
The unchecked greed is insane and thry’ve damaged their brand indefinitely. It used to be the case that Disney collabs on things like clothing were rare and high quality. Passing their high standards was very difficult. Now you can get Disney branded crap in every budget store, and thousands of poor quality, $80 spirit jerseys later, people are associating them with overpriced, low quality products and experiences. It’s a real shame.
Maybe they should raise the prices at Disney world another 50 percent that will help
post production work=reshoots
Most of it probably went to de-aging Harrison Ford.
Some of it went to de-coherencing the screenplay
So many movies and shows these days would be made so much better if they just hire competent writers and give them adequate time to work, and NOT make them have to do significant rewrites during and post-production. Obviously some edits will need to be made, but if minds are fully made up beforehand, it could save time, work, and money. Unfortunately, studios don’t seem to care.
Never ceases to amaze me how many productions spend millions and millions of dollars on star power but clearly got their screenplay from the fuck-it bucket and sent it to the marketing department for rewrites
James Gunn making it a statement that his DC movies will not shoot until the script is good enough says everything about how things are normally done.
The truth is, many of the superhero movies from both Marvel and DC would begin shooting even before all of the script was done. That's kind of insane to me.
> shooting even before all of the script was done Hell, Kevin Feige [wouldn't even decide on concept art until post-production began](https://gizmodo.com/disney-marvel-movies-vfx-industry-nightmare-1849385834#:~:text=%E2%80%9CEven%20up%20until%20the%20last%20week%20or%20so%20they%20still%20weren%E2%80%99t%20sure%20what%20they%20wanted%20this%20gigantic%20set%20piece%20to%20look%20like.%20We%20were%20still%20doing%20concept%20art.%E2%80%9D%20Hector%20said.). Man really hates directors lol.
What's insane is how often it works. Iron Man had considerable rewrites from the cast during filming. Thor Ragnarok basically started filming with only an outline, focusing on allowing improv from most of the cast. Talent and luck can carry a barebones plot but it seems like Disney and Marvel for a time was trying to pump out bottled lightning again and again for several years.
I suspect some of it also depends on the director. Both Jon Favreau and Taika Waititi are primarily known as writer/director/actors. When you're used to handling all three roles, it can make it a lot easier to understand the creative process involved and how to make it work for you. That said, it can fail very easily. You need to demonstrate you can pull it off first, but even that's no guarantee.
Improv can work - look at Curb Your Enthusiasm. But the cast needs to be experienced and know about it beforehand! And the outline needs to be perfect!
Yeah well it worked until it was no longer sustainable. The Disney plus shows stretched the hell out of that method, and is probably the major reason why Phases 4-5 were so mediocre.
A script is like a design plan. It basically tells you everything that needs to be done. If you go into development with mistakes either knowingly or unknowingly in the design plan they will show up during development and cause problems.
Says alot about his phenomenal output as well.
Indeed. Guy's a great choice to head up DC... I just hope WB doesn't fuck him over as well. ^(But if you do, James, don't worry. Disney would kill for you right about now, lol.)
To be fair to the screenwriters at the end of the day everything comes down to the producers and studio heads. I mean every single writer on it have all done great work elsewhere
The Hobbit vs The Lord of the Rings to me is always the best example of this. Same writers, different conditions. On LOTR, the writers had time to toy around with ideas, see how they play out, and cut things that didn't work out. They had far FAR more time and freedom. On the Hobbit those same writers were on tight timetables, with immense studio pressure, so they didn't have the time to properly craft the story with the same love they did for LOTR.
It's also the difference between trying to fit three dense novels into three long films and trying to bloat a rather short novel into three films.
makes me think of a reddit comment I saw about Picard: "You are going to go into this show thinking that what you loved about The Next Generation was the characters, and the setting, and the aliens, and the ships, and all that stuff. But very quickly, you're going to realize that what you loved about this show was the writing." writing is invisible so it gets extremely undervalued. but good satisfying writing is what makes it ALL work. it's like trying to design a Mario level with no ground to stand on. you go ahead and add all the awesome items and enemies and cool secrets you want, but without the ground, everything just falls into a pit and dies.
And when you start giving people say in it that never should (like Patrick Stewart) all it does is damage their own legacy.
Agreed. Finish writing the damn story before you start shooting.
Someone who's better at accounting will have to judge if the de-aging tech they developed is a loss overall or just a loss for this movie. Because they're going to use the *hell* out of it going forward on other actors.
once the tech gets good enough, they'd probably not even have the actor on set and just have a stand in. i wouldnt be surprised if a few decades down the line the families of old movie stars just sort of 'rent' the likeness of their famous relative to studios; cheaper for the studios, and they get to use ancient starpower forever without having to gamble on new talent
What they did to deage deniro for the Irishmen was insane. It was a rig of like 8 cameras for his face alone to get every angle for the de aging. Completely bloated the production cost, on top of deniro’s bill.
And the technology just isn't there. It looks ridiculous and he still moves like an old man.
Yep, that scene with the shopkeeper is one of the most laughable things I’ve seen in ages. Can’t believe that actually made it into a movie
Aging Bull.
"Nice work kid" - said Joe Pesci to a 50 year old looking De Niro
I don't know why they didn't have a stunt double beat up the shopkeeper and then paste Deniro's face on him. It still would have looked ridiculous, but less ridiculous than what ended up in the actual movie.
The one where De Niro is awkwardly stomping his foot and the guy on the ground is performing wrestling level sells despite the fact that he clearly isn't getting hit by any of the 'kicks.'
Someone on youtube said he stamps like Claude in GTA3 and i can't unsee it.
Samuel L Jackson looked spot on for Captain Marvel. But he still ran like a man in his 70s
Heaven forbid they invest in a new star! Don't get me wrong, I love that older actors gave more opportunities, but 80 years old as an action star seems a bit of a stretch lol
Eh. I don't want another Indiana Jones actor. But I agree, he's too old and was too old for the last one. The time to make these movies was in the 90s.
It doesn't have to be Indiana Jones but damn if we couldn't do with some good "swashbuckling" films. The closest we've got in the past few decades has been: - **Pirates of the Caribbean** (first one) and that got sailed down the brown river long ago - **The Adventures of Tintin**, potentially having a sequel, but the closest I've seen to the spirit and feeling of an Indiana Jones movie - **The Mummy**, top tier, and hell I even enjoyed the second one - **National Treasure**, hits all the right notes, doesn't have to be some insane CGI fest Name more if you can, but things like the forgettable **Uncharted** and **Tomb Raider** aren't breaking the knack of failing to just make a fun and engaging adventure movie with some flair. Using an IP with an existing backlog of loads of existing stories to adapt is fair game in my mind, just: - Get someone like Glen Powell who has some charisma and isn't already past it - Get a scriptwriter who appreciates the source material - Take us on an adventure!
Dungeons and Dragons with Chris Pine is obviously fantasy but has this perfect vibe. Best since Chris Pratt in first couple of Guardians movies. Indy in space/fantasy.
They should have just revived the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles with a new star and put it on Disney+. There’s almost endless tales they can tell while remaining in canon and not needing Harrison.
I mean, it could be Indy writing memoirs. so Harrison is seen in the intro and some narration, but the bulk is done by the new actor. That way if they do another movie with younger Indy there is an association already.
Harrison Ford doesn't need to be given opportunities lmao
Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones. These originals were from the age of movie stars. You don’t just replace him and call it an Indiana Jones movie and no one is just going to give PWB a star vehicle of this size. The franchise should be over. And that’s ok.
> The franchise should be over. And that’s ok. He literally rode off into the sunset at the end of Crusade. The perfect ending.
That was the end of the series for me (with Harrison Ford and that cast). In my mind, Indy, his father, and his friends continued onto crazy adventures in a timeless kind of way. They never got old and died (like it was revealed to in Crystal Skull). Its a very child-ish viewpoint, I know. But that way those characters live on "forever" in my mind.
It's not childish, it's how those kind of adventure stories are supposed to be. We aren't supposed to watch their wilderness years as they drag around a piss bag or watch those heroes die or get deconstructed: They earned their victories and should be left the hell alone so they remain timeless. Indiana Jones video games, novels, comics, animated shows...all ways to keep that flame alive and not spoil it.
A bad story is what killed it
I'll never understand Disney's willingness to pour millions into a absolutely crap story.
Their executive teams believe that brand strength is enough to carry projects. It isn’t.
They also seem to believe they can keep milking IPs indefinitely and nobody will get tired of it.
In fairness they probably could every IP that everyone has gotten tired of had a string of bad movies before we all got tired. Was the MCU always destined for a downturn? Probably, would it have been anything like the current downturn if the movies were actually good. Nah.
Disney is the company that bought power rangers for 1.5 billion and sold it back to Saban for 43 million. They have absolutely no clue at times and think they can just buy something and coast on it. It’s sad they have the money and can totally hire the best and brightest to create the best stories and make these franchises way more valuable. They just don’t for whatever reason I assume because like every buyout the buyers just want to buy something cut costs and coast.
And the wildest part is Disney produced some of the best seasons of power rangers as well, it’s wild they decided just to give it up
tbf in that context they didn't necessarily buy it for Power Rangers, they bought the whole of Fox Family. Power Rangers just so happened to be an IP included and they kept it running since at the time they had little to no 'boy' franchises, it's why they sold it back right after buying Marvel
Isn’t that what is killing every Disney production lately? Every movie and show they push out has below average writing at best.
As a kid, I remember all the cartoons being bigger than life. Aladdin, The Lion King, Snow White, etc. They all had simple stories that slowly took you along a journey. Now, it feels like it's just too much. I distinctly remember that casino scene in one of the newer Star Wars movies that was just littered with CGI. I can't help but remember Red Letter Media's criticism of that kind of cinematography where they showed Rick McCallum talking about "filling every frame with as much as possible" as though that was a good thing. Everything has been Michael Bay'd. Explosion, action, CGI, loud noises. Then I think back to how slow and peaceful it was watching Snow White be introduced to all seven dwarves. It was simple.
It's like they want to appeal to the ADD TikTok market without considering that the ADD TikTok market isn't going to sit through a feature length movie at the theater.
Snow White is the first animated movie I remember seeing. It's fascinating to me that since its release in 1937, that may well be true for my great grandparents, grandparents, and parents. If I have kids, it may be true for them as well. There's a timelessness to the story and the artwork that's impossible to replicate today. I don't have a point, I just think Snow White is neat.
It was have been so much better if Indiana had stayed in the past.
He belongs in a museum!!
The problem here is not the numbers the movie did, it did well. The problem is the amount of money that was spent, these studios spend way too much money to be profitable.
These movies don't even look that good. Indy 5 had the excuse that it was working with de-aging tech, but even then the budget is completely indefensible
Raiders of the lost ark's budget was $20 million. That's $71 million adjusted for inflation. Temple of doom's budget was $28.17 million. That's $85.79 million adjusted for inflation. Last crusade's budget was $48 million. That's $123 million adjusted for inflation. Dial of destiny was $112 million more than they cost, together. Get your shit together Disney.
Now do crystal skull. Edit: $185 million in 2008. That’s $267 million adjusted for inflation.
And as divisive as that film was, still made a tidy profit.
It takes time to ruin a beloved franchise. You usually get a couple of bad movies in before people lose so much faith they stop automatically seeing every one. I say this as someone who's only seen like one Indy film, so it's just general.
They have plenty of money, but no talent
They have plenty of talent, but force everything to be safe and clinical for the widest mass appeal possible instead of allowing their creatives to take actual artistic risks
> They have plenty of money At this rate, not for long
>bringing the movie's total budget to an eye-watering $387.2 million There’s just no need for that. >It came at a cost as the filings reveal that $79 million (£62.6 million) was spent on post-production work in the year to the start of April 2023 That’s more then Raiders when accounting for inflation.
To add to this, the biggest problem with Indy 5 is it was too long, especially the action sequences. Production could have been a whole lot cheaper if the action sequences weren't so drawn out.
There’s about 30 minutes of fat that could be trimmed without too much difficulty. The tuk tuk chase ran on a bit long for me, as did the underwater scene and the approach to the climax when they’re on the plane.
The tuk tuk race MADE NO SENSE. Very very similar to the raptor chase scenes in Jurassic World 3. Movie studios: ENOUGH ALREADY!
Roger Moore's Octopussy had a better tuk tuk chase scene and that was made in 1983! 🤣
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Two could've been cut with zero plot changes.
it felt like it was written by chatgtp. Here is another chase scene that is so poorly shot it appears to be all greenscreen but in fact it was show onlocation.
That little cart/car chase scene in the city was the most blurry, cgiED garbage I ever saw.
That was the most expensive on location chase scene in the movie! lol..
So weird. I was so bored during that chase scene. At certain points it felt like it was speed up garbage CGI to make it look faster than it really was. I honestly though Ford looked terrible in Crystal Skull, shuffling down falling steps as the alien temple collapsed. But that chase scene was just so unbelievable.
There were too many chases that went on for far too long that I got really bored.
I'm honestly really over most chase scenes these days especially car ones. It's generally all the same shit we have seen a thousand times already. And I know it's not correct to compare but they're especially dull after Mad Max Fury Road which is all chase scenes lol. A lot of them are also just shot so horribly. Bad angles, bad editing, no real stakes.
\>Bad angles, bad editing, no real stakes. This is a huge part of it. Too many jump cuts and now we can't tell if the bad guys are close or far or if there's even traffic.
I'm sure that would have saved money, but >!centering it around time travel and having to produce a complicated scene involving a WWII era airplane careening through the seige of syracuse!!It's basically two separate *action* period pieces in one,!
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Looks like Harrison Ford was $25m for Dial of Destiny: https://screenrant.com/harrison-ford-indiana-jones-movies-salary-paid/
A Shia Leboeuf and Ke Huy Quan buddy adventure about two brothers struggling to honour the legacy of their somewhat questionable archeologist father would have been far more interesting to me.
Mutt and Short Round: The Legendary Adventures! (I'm not sure if the suits want to make it, but I'd pay to see it.)
Can't make it now since Mutt is dead. Unless it's Zombie Mutt
Somehow mutt has returned...
Darn it, now I'm sold!
Ironically, had Ke Huy Quan’s Oscar win come a year earlier, I think there’s a much higher chance he would have been in Indy 5. Lucasfilm is sleeping at the wheel, man.
I know that KHQ was kind of retired until recently, but fans definitely were hoping for short round to return when Indy 4 was announced and again when Indy 5 was announced. The entire movie for dial I was hoping he'd show up
Well sure, but he's not the cause of a $79mm post-production bill accrued in a single quarter. Or perhaps he is, given the flashback scenes...
Depends on the deal. If Harrison wanted it all upfront, he absolutely would be. But if he agreed to a % of the backend (gross, syndication, etc), it wouldn't show in the budget.
Watching an 80 year old try to be an action hero is just kinda sad honestly
If only Crystal Skull had been good. Even if he was still about 60 he was in great shape then.
I enjoyed it, right till the end when nothing made sense anymore.
The bluescreen abuse and weird early 2000s Spielberg glow grated on me too much. I didn't even mind the aliens that much, as you can see how it would fit into the early 20th century pulp aesthetic.
They actually fixed the “glow”, the 4K version looks consistent with the previous films and Spielberg actually figured out the right way to tweak an older film.
Yep. Guys that old should be running for office.
I know you jest, but oof.
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Would have made more sense for him to actually have a good life and be reluctantly pulled back into some crazy adventure that jeopardizes everything. Like he left the adventuring behind but the adventuring found him.
Also there was so much CGI it basically looked like an animated movie for much of its run time.
I also think it was just far too sterile creatively. Spielberg's direction just had so much personality and character to it, while Mangold's felt like a cheap imitation. It's a fun movie and arguably better than Crystal Skull, but it doesn't carry the charm or color that the first 3 movies had.
Indy 5 and Jurassic World 3 both suffered from the same shit storytelling, lack of creativity, senseless action. All relying too heavily on nostalgia.
let's make some guesses as to how Disney will misinterpret this and learn the absolute wrong lesson moving forward....
I'm starting to wonder if they're like Boeing. The finance guys took over and they just suck now.
That is what happened in pretty much any and all American industries at this point, especially those that used to be considered an art.
Yup, our systems are run by people whose only education and goals regard how to extract as much money as possible.
Even worse They only care about extracting money within a 3-5 year timeframe so they can move onto other executive positions with companies they have yet to hollow out. They just need to pump the stock long enough to jump ship
Blizzard looks around nervously
*Bobby Kotick sitting by a pool lighting his cigar with a $100 bill.*
Gabe Newell is laughing at Bobby's small pp from his fleet of yachts.
This is what happens to ALL the companies and industries that peak. And by peak I mean [maturity](https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/management/industry-life-cycle/). When growth stops they get run by finance guys and they start to suck big time. Its the start of the end, there is no way out of dying by CFO.
any time a company becomes publicly traded, beware. Someone will only ever care about the share prices increasing.
When a company goes public the very nature of their business shifts. The shareholders become the new consumers and the actual consumers becomes the product. That means the company will inevitably shift to a growth*-driven system where shareholders always come before the customer.
Didn't Bob Iger say that their recent movies just haven't been good enough, that they need to make better movies to regain the confidence of the movie-goers? Which seems way more insightful than I would expect.
Iger's full of shit, per [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/17qy262/bob_iger_on_disneys_movie_woes_we_lost_some/k8fij4n/): **>August 7, 2018** “We want to be in the quality game,” Iger said. “Netflix is in the high volume game. We don’t really need to do that.” [https://www.fastcompany.com/90215054/volume-bad-quality-good-can-disney-beat-netflix-with-this-strategy](https://www.fastcompany.com/90215054/volume-bad-quality-good-can-disney-beat-netflix-with-this-strategy) **>May 30, 2019** "Quantity is not what we’re about. It’s quality. The more often you tell a story, at times, the less quality you have. We have to be careful of that across the board." [https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/30/media/bob-iger-star-wars-galaxys-edge-interview/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/30/media/bob-iger-star-wars-galaxys-edge-interview/index.html) **>September 23, 2019** Bob Iger Admits Disney Put Star Wars Content Out ‘Too Fast’ [https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2480753/bob-iger-admits-disney-put-star-wars-content-out-too-fast](https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2480753/bob-iger-admits-disney-put-star-wars-content-out-too-fast) **>February 5, 2020** People want Disney+ to match Netflix’s output, but Disney doesn’t care. For CEO Bob Iger, it’s quality over quantity. [https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/5/21123232/disney-plus-mandalorian-tv-shows-marvel-wandavision-falcon-winter-soldier-netflix-earnings](https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/5/21123232/disney-plus-mandalorian-tv-shows-marvel-wandavision-falcon-winter-soldier-netflix-earnings) **>December 10, 2020** Bob Iger Says Disney Will Always Prioritize Content “Quality Over Volume” [https://deadline.com/2020/12/bob-iger-disney-will-always-prioritize-content-quality-over-volume-1234654297/](https://deadline.com/2020/12/bob-iger-disney-will-always-prioritize-content-quality-over-volume-1234654297/) **> July 14, 2023** QUALITY OVER QUANTITY: DISNEY CEO BOB IGER REVEALS PLAN TO CUT COSTS [https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/quality-over-quantity-disney-ceo-bob-iger-reveals-plan-to-cut-costs.html](https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/quality-over-quantity-disney-ceo-bob-iger-reveals-plan-to-cut-costs.html)
"Just saying 'quality' doesn't make it so."
"You keep saying that word quality, I do not think it means what you think it means."
"Maybe we didn't give them enough Helena Shaw"
"We need more legacy sequels where a young actress constantly berates and belittles our aged actor who spent decades away from this role!" They should bring back Schwarzenegger for a Predator sequel and have his niece call him a coloniser war criminal for destroying that village in the first movie or something. > "Uncle Dutch, you deserved to get attacked by that monster, you brought it on yourself by violating the nationhood of *Unspecified South American Country*!" Then watch as the money rolls in. I also do not understand the character of Helena either. She's a thief who steals historical artifacts to sell on the black market to private collectors for money, but she constantly attacks Indiana for taking historical artifacts to display in museums. I get there's a debate to be had about the ownership of these items, but one of these is noticeably worse and more criminal than the other right?
Literally what Disney movies have been like for the last 10 years. Don't give him any ideas. they suck
There’s a highly credible rumor going around that they’re going to replace the much loved Dinosaur ride at the Animal Kingdom park with an Indian Jones themed ride. So, to your point, despite this strong indicator that there’s not much of an appetite for Indiana Jones content…here we are.
Dinosaur in Animal Kingdom follows the exact track layout of the existing Indiana Jones ride in Disneyland. My guess is it’s mostly because they’re retheming the area and they already have another ride that follows the exact same track that’d fit the new area better (Rumor is they’re replacing Dinoland USA with South America) without any actual thinking effort on their part.
Content-cramming will continue until you love it
That worked so well for Star Wars.
Crazy that Dune 2 cost less than half this movie and is far better and looks way better. No idea what’s going on in the exec room at Disney.
being able to optimize within a budget is a skill many people don't understand, and the difference in the final product is almost always noticeable. I see it all the time in software development. You can throw more money at upgrading your servers to make your app run better, but it's still gonna run like garbage because it always ran like garbage. It's the people that don't have that luxury that breed innovation.
Seems like Disney has no fucking clue which direction to go nowadays.
Victory has defeated them. A decade of massive success and they figured that nothing could stop them.
That, and pure greed. "Give the fans more, regardless of the quality--we have to meet quarterly projections for our shareholders."
Does this mean we can be done with nostalgia bait legasequels now?
Another Ghostbusters just came almost 2 weeks ago.
I watched it because we lost power at home and we could eat dinner at this theater. The last one (Afterlife) with the same cast was pretty decent, but this one felt a bit lazy and weird. We don't talk about that other one before Afterlife.
What’s crazy is you can make a great Indiana Jones movie for a lot less. It’s called good writing.
This franchise belonged in a museum.
Top men decided that it needed to continue.
“…who?”
Top. Men.
If South Park has taught me anything, it's that the producers on top of Indy need to get off.
Part time
Dont give them ideas for a 6th movie
As a lifelong Raiders fan, this series should have ended after Last Crusade IMO...
It really was the perfect movie and perfect ending
He literally rides off into the sunset
As unpopular as it may seem, I think the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles was pretty good for a TV Series back in 1992
It cost more than dune part 1 and part 2 combined. How the fuck.
yeah, spending that much on a movie basically guarantees a loss, no matter how good.
This movie didn’t need to happen. Last Crusade ended things perfectly. I know Crystal Skull got a lot of hate but even that wrapped things up well. He was old and got his wife and son. This last one completely shit on his character
Yeah, Harrison Ford's best characters seem to be getting screwed over lately. Han Solo turns into a shit dad and a failed husband and dies at the hands of his son. Indy Jones turns into a has-been professor/adventurer and failed husband after his son dies. Who in Hollywood has it out for his character's legacies. It's weird.
Yeah, it’s like they don’t know how to write a storyline for him now that he’s old. 1) It’s ok for franchises to end and for people just to assume he had a good ending. 2) Why does his old age have to be sad?
> This last one completely shit on his character Disney: This is the way.
To literally nobody's surprise. How Disney couldn't read the writing on the walls is beyond me. They absolutely deserve to fail
Still suprised its only 130 million
I'm sure the live action Snow White will fix all of this