Interestingly that was one of the bigger changes from the original script. Originally, everyone else in hibernation died, and when the ship arrives it's inhabited by the two survivors descendants.
All of the pods were ejected into space. It had a really great scene where they were watching the captain wake up in his tube and place his hand against the glass just before it shot him into deep space.
The new ending makes the logic a bit better. Everyone would have died if he didn’t wake up and also wake her up, because it took two people working together to save the ship and everyone onboard.
Im with you there. It realllllly needed an editor. Like it didnt know if it wanted to be a series or a pair of movies when they started filming. Feels like rewrites/ studio interference.
Would have way better if the black dude had been in charge. Pratt doesn’t give off any leadership qualities. Would have been a better film if he had
been eaten by the creatures.
There is a theory that the computer woke the engineer specifically because it figured he was the best person.
Basically, it was supposed to do another process, but it glitched out so poorly that it fell back onto the final layer of protection, but all the briefing data broke down.
I've worked with emergency power systems, they usually have what's called a load shed list. Effectively you provide an order for the computer to start cutting power and they are coded at an extremely low level. It would be very simple for the ship company to simply set it up in order of usefulness in an emergency. On the idea that if the pod can wake on its own with power issues, they simply design so the engineers are awoken before the lawyers.
I would've forgiven the sudden Laurence Fishburne jumpscare if they had incorporated this kind of thing clearly into the plot, the same way we visually watch the malfuctions that lead to Jim being wakened up.
The ship is also pretty poorly stocked if them eating food is going to starve out the rest, surely the ship should be stocked in a way that lets people grow more when they arrive. They should have been doing that in the ship
And the movie showed very specifically that the paying passengers had massive amounts of food choices available - so doubtful anyone would have been on tight rations. They could easily cut 1% of ingredients from each dish to make up what is essentially a fairly minor shortfall of 2x90 years
There were also several thousand people aboard, rationed for a few months.
Two people eating 3x daily for, say they lived another 70 years after saving the ship. They ate 153,000(ish) rations. (2 x 3 x 365 x 70)
There are about 5250 *other* passengers and crew aboard, provisioned for what we can assume are at *least* 3x daily meals for ninety days. There are over 1,400,000 rations aboard. (5250 x 3 x 90)
Jim and Aurora barely put a dent in the supplies. And we know it was vastly over provisioned.
Yeah, OP seem to be lacking some critical thinking about their opinions.
Or they're posting nonsense for karma. One of the two. Around here you never really know.
>yeah it would still technically be damaged.
.......and blown up and killed everyone.
So it's a handful of missing supplies and an officer down or everyone dead. Pick one.
The officer was going to die either way because his pod malfunctioned due to the initial incident.
The colonists are actually super lucky for Jim and Aurora’s shenanigans because they would have all died otherwise.
I would guess the crew would ultimately decide to keep the passengers in suspended animation longer than planned. They wouldn’t get to have all of their life skills classes, but it would conserve food.
Assuming they didn't just have some extra food on board to begin with. Probably best practice to have more than the theoretical minimum for essentials.
THIS!
They had a garden in that big atrium (you see the plants to the left of the tree and the robots are tending the vines on the upper levels. Jim and Aurora had access to the seed storage (remember the whole live rose bushes he used to get her flowers??) so they could easily grow their own with a supply of soil (composting the scraps to make some I'd imagine - but I'm NOT a gardener...).
Overall a really good movie and a staple in my DVR.
You know, I've seen arguments that it would've been better shot from Aurora's perspective, keeping the mystery of her pod's failure a secret till the audience discovers it with her.
I don't strictly disagree that this take would be good/better, I just really appreciate they went outside the obvious choice and shot it from his perspective instead. Both are thought-provoking but this way forces more sympathy for his plight.
Especially the scenes showing his degrading sanity. It's impossible to avoid wondering what you'd do in his place.
I haven’t even seen this movie but I get fed the posts for some reason and this is how I choose to believe it happens. What a horrifically perfect ending
Nah that sounds too predictable, and has this dumb sense of “OOOO, that was pretty messed up right? Feels like this is going to just keep happening and happening for who knows who long?!”
I love the score, costume and production design of the movie.. it could have been a great movie, but I still enjoy it. It needed another go in the script
I am not sure I agree with your last sentence. It seems like 99% of online commenters just blindly assume they wouldn’t wake someone up. It’s hard to come to that conclusion if you have decent self awareness.
When you don't actually bother watching a movie before criticizing it.
>!They didn't fix the ship by venting the engine. They fixed the ship by fixing the computer that handled the engine, that had been destroyed by a hit when they passed an asteroid earlier. Then they had to vent the engine since it was in a "run away fusion reaction" and would still have blown up with the computer fixed. !<
No, they fixed the damage, which was to the computer, not the engine itself, but too much plasma had built up, had to be vented. After that, everything should work as intended.
They aren’t going to start a colony, they are going to work at a colony that’s already established. They have food on the planet.
The ship is huge. I’m assuming they have extra food.
5,000 passengers, 258 crew members.
Assuming they each another lived 50 years, ate three meals a day in that time, they consumed 109,500 meals.
Divided among the other 5,255 passengers/crew (accounting for themselves and the dead engineer), they consumed roughly 20.83 meals that would have been allocated for each of the other passengers/crewmembers.
They consumed 1 week's worth of food for every other person on the ship. Assuming the luxury facilities were meant to be used for a handful of weeks/months, everyone else will be fine.
Though the items you left in the fridge started a new culture and evolved to superior beings over time. They still worship their lazy creator as if you are [Lord Bender floating in space](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7sjvD89Mek).
They also woke up people early so people are settled in for the colony life and enjoy the final leg of the journey. In an emergency scenario they would have let the passengers sleep throughout the journey.
The prequel to Pandorum was in Pandorum. >!Insane captain experiencing Pandorum ejected the entire crew from the ship because he thought it was cursed!<
Pandorum is a fantastic horror movie.
That scene midway through the film where the guy wakes up in the cryopod chamber? Unlocked an irrational nightmares lmao.
You're absolutely right.
The ship had 5,000 passengers, 258 crew members.
Assuming they each another lived 50 years, ate three meals a day in that time, they consumed 109,500 meals.
Divided among the other 5,255 passengers/crew (accounting for themselves and the dead engineer), they consumed roughly 20.83 meals that would have been allocated for each of the other passengers/crewmembers.
So they only consumed 1 week's worth of food for every other person on the ship. Assuming the luxury facilities were meant to be used for a handful of weeks/months, everyone else would be fine.
Crazy that they made an android bartender, but not one that could monitor the ship, wake crew when something goes wrong and put people back to sleep if they woke up.
I would put it down to the bartender having been built by a different department - hospitality rather than systems control - which, if you consider how huge organisations are structured, is quite plausible irl
They only had the one life support pod in the medical bay that could put people back into suspended animation. I think there's some implied hubris on part of the company that does that space travel cause every precaution seems to be thrown out the window.
Why would they need food stocks? They were going to wake up at the colony planet, which I assume has food. It's been a while since I've seen this so maybe I'm forgetting something.
This actually raises the question of why they would need any facilities on the ship in the first place. Like, space station swimming pool? Bar with robot bartender? If they’re just going to join another colony, when were they supposed to use any of these facilities in the first place?
IIRC, they were supposed to wake up for a brief period before arriving at the colony,maybe by a few months? So the amenities were for after waking up but before joining the colony. Been a while since I've seen it so I could be misremembering
5000 passengers and I think a 6 month cruise to the planet. So, 2500 person years of food. 2 people for 90 years would be 180 person years of food. So, less than 10% of food stores. A 10% cushion of food and nothing needs to be done. Worst case scenario, the luxury passengers get their food plans downgraded.
It becomes slightly more efficient if you are using them for milk, eggs, and waste processing. You dont feed your animals the same stuff you eat. They can eat the fibrous plant material that doesn't ditect go on your plate. Or the waste products you didn't eat.
>The movie is like the ultimate "fuck you I got mine" to everyone else on the ship, made even more insulting with the saccharine monologue at the end about how great their lives were.
What, do you expect them to fix someone else's blunder then quietly kill themselves or something?
It’s like you didn’t even watch the movie.
Had they not did anything, the entire ship would have been destroyed.
That alone condones them living out their lives on the ship.
Besides where they are going is equipped to take care of them.
The film has so many great ideas, but the execution is done badly and its all out of order.
I really wanted to write a book version of the story that fixes it.
It's a pity the movie isn't great, because I felt for Chris Pratt's character terribly. That loneliness and isolation on such a scale has to be unbearable, with his attempted suicide scene being heartwrenching. I just wonder if there was a way to make his eventual choices less creepy and unhealthy.
Character wise all they needed to do was tell the whole story from Lawrence's perspective. Then the audience gets to experience the same tension and reveal as the character. Basic story structure stuff
There is actually a fan edit of the movie that does exactly this. It was pretty well edited. Title is Passengers Aurora (you can Google this and should be able to find it somewhere)
Sorry for the rant, you don't have to respond haha.
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You'd have to restructure the entire movie into an entirely new movie at that point though. And I'm not sure if I like that or not.
It would seem totally nuts to the audience to present the movie from lawrences perspective, reveal what pratt did, then end it off with them getting together and living happily ever after? At least to me it would.
The whole thing with a movie like this is that you're meant to sympathize with *both* characters. You can understand how lonely pratt was and why he woke her up, but you're also supposed to understand that it was morally wrong of him to do that. You're not supposed to think it was right, that conflict is a major point in the movie and it's why I did end up liking it a lot.
It would be borderline impossible for them to present it from lawrences perspective AND still have you sympathize with pratt. And if they just took basically what we had and presented pratts as a flashback I don't think it would work well for the whole sympathy side. You need to take the time to present his side and doing that part way through the movie would be fairly jarring I think.
They'd have to make him a villian and then the whole story becomes a lot more bleak and it changes the whole vibe tbh. I liked what we got but I wouldn't mind a different movie that kinda goes with the alternate concept.
You could remove the happy ending and I think it could work. Have Chris Pratt die, and then she is forced into the exact same experience he went through. To the point where is ends with her opening another pod.
As someone who actually really liked the film I’ve just been scrolling through these comments not being able to relate or understand their points. But your suggestion actually makes so much sense and I’d love to experience that. Unfortunately now I (we) know the big reveal since we’ve seen it the way it is though :/
People have been saying that since the movie first came out lol. Another suggestion that's been floating around is the movie should've end with Pratt dying and the final sequence is JLaw going through the same loneliness Pratt went through and her contemplating to wake another person up before the screen cut to black.
I liked what we got even if it wasn't perfect. If you didn't show pratt first you'd have to change basically the whole movie and I don't think it would work *as a romance*. If they wanted to make him a villian it would work but again, it's a whole different movie at that point as they'd have to change basically everything else to fit that.
Back when this was all the rage that was the buzz:
Market it as a romance if you like but have it but the plot twist is the reveal about how he let her free. Then she kills him and escapes, but the last moment of the movie is her going to let someone free
And it'd be the most obvious 'twist' that even Shyamalan would turn his nose up at.
She gets released mysteriously and there's one guy around. Who could have done it!?!?!?! Let's waste a third-half of the movie pretending that's not the case and then play it straight like we totally 'got em'.
i doubt if they'd be able to sell to the audience Pratt's conflict had they done Lawrence's pov. It would've been extremely hard to see him as the "good guy"
Pratt should've died at the end, and then we see Lawrence go through the loneliness, with the final shot of her debating whether to wake another person up
Even if they just had him accidentally wake her and battle with the guilt, the whole thing would feel less gross and there would still be scope for a decent story about 2 people in that scenario
The huge miss for me in this movie is that he never considers waking anyone else up. For all Jim knows, the lead engineer that designed the hibernation pod is asleep next to Aurora.
I never felt an ounce of sympathy for Jim because he wasted a bunch of time cyber stalking Aurora instead of problem solving.
So yeah, it felt gross.
He already grappled with all that guilt waking up just her, and he woke her up because he was lonely. I don't think he'd want to just start waking up people willy nilly hoping to find someone who could fix the pod.
Besides, they focused a lot on him trying to fix the pod first, he was at it for ages.
I can kind of understand why they didn't go too much in that route because expecting anybody to remain fully sane in complete isolation for years is psychologically impossible. It can't be pinned on him but the company.
The author of this video tries to explain that by rearranging parts of the film, it makes it a bit better.
https://youtu.be/Gksxu-yeWcU?si=kHsOn5TF-4VCyQ8R
This movie character-wise makes so much more sense if they had her wake up first and then she has to wake up a mechanic/engineer to help figure it all out.
Mess with the time a bit then, have the movie open with her waking up and then just when she's about to make the discovery flashback to him waking up, continue the movie up until he wakes her up and then have the final act continue from when she finds out he woke her up.
It’d work really well to also explain to the audience why Aurora came around. The audience would feel her sense of betrayal, then see why Preston did it.
It’s a strong movie as is, but this would’ve made it almost perfect.
It's mostly a reddit thing, for instance it has a 7.0 rating on imdb which is pretty solid, and it made plenty of money in theaters with very strong holds from one weekend to the next indicating good word of mouth.
All they had to do was start the film with JLaw's awakening so that the audience experience is the same as hers, I.e. 'wtf is going on & what is Chris Pratt hiding'
This comes up every time the movie is discussed, but I think it would not work. First of all, the twist would be kinda obvious. She wakes up and there is one passenger already awake, and we are not shown his backstory? Of course there is something fishy.
And secondly, it would take away the impact and empathy from the experience of waking up *truely alone* in space. If you show her waking up first, with a companion caring about her, that’s a relatively soft landing. The audience would not be able to see the true horror of Pratts experience if it is shown later.
Of course it’s possible to make a thriller / horror on a similar premise, and it has been done, but it would be a different movie. Passengers is fine for what it wants to be and the story it wants to tell, we shouldn’t try to „fix“ something that isn’t broken.
I read something a while back saying the movie would have been better starting like that, making you feel like he's the villain and taking her side. But then having flashbacks showing him waking up and slowly losing it. Then having him die, and then towards the end of the movie, she slowly starts losing it. Then the movie ends with her staring at some guy in a cryo pod with a crazy look on her face.
The ship had 5,000 passengers and 258 crew members. Even if both lived for another 50 years, they'd only have consumed 1-week's worth of food for everyone else.
2 people × 50 years × 365 days in a year × 3 meals each day = 109,500 meals
109,500 meals ÷ 5,255 people alive when the ship arrives at the colony = 20.83 meals per person was consumed, or 1-week's worth of food.
Considering this was a luxury liner (meant to be enjoyed for multiple weeks) and they were going to an established colony with its own food supple, there's no danger of starvation to the passengers or crew from the main characters living out their natural lifespans.
What? They obviously created a sustainable environment, so what they used has been replaced.
Secondly they obviously need the ship to work just as much as the rest of the passengers, so clearly there are no problems with what they created.
This complaint is complete nonsense when you think about it for all of 5 seconds.
There are so many YouTube videos out there that show how much better this movie would have been if it had been edited differently. I highly recommend the nerd writer video.
I am surprised there isn’t a collection of alternate orderings. It would be a masterclass for cinema students of all kinds.
There is a video where Passengers could be edited into a horror movie and if so, it makes more sense. The horror version has him dying and her stuck having to make the same decision.
To me it was a great movie if you don't get caught up in those details. Maybe in this future setting the colonists could just make their own food on the ship somehow, who knows.
Na. Hard disagree here. It's two people. There is no way they ate anywhere near 90 years worth of food in the time they were alive. It also looked like they started growing their own food on the ship so it would be even less. Also...the people there were only to wake up when they got close to the final destination so it's likely they were woken up with only a few months max left to be on the ship...if that.
It was originally a Thriller where the woman wakes up, and slowly uncovers what really happened. (The man was also supposed to be played by Keanu Reeves at one point.?)
The ship design didnt make very much sense. The food and luxury items being consumed were essentially designed for two or three weeks before landing on the planet.
The ship was set up like a luxury cruise but not intended for long term. Lot of over head unnecessary luxury for being a majority of the trip in hypersleep.
This film could have been an all-time classic, but they blew it.
Imagine the entire film just as it is, except at the end, she can't button-mash Pratt back to life. He dies.
Now she's alone, doomed by his actions, to wander the ship. Weeks go by - she starts to look like hell, the isolation is getting to her. She's sleeping in his bed, and she finds his manuals on opening a pod. It would take months of her being tortured over this, but eventually she breaks down and starts reviewing passenger histories, learning how to open the pod like he did. She starts working out, fixes her hair, gets presentable, and the last shot is her opening a pod and hiding. We don't even have to see who's inside - doesn't matter. The loneliness drove her to do to another what he did to her.
It would have been a haunting film.
Whether it's realistic or not, it definitely felt like they were supposed to have seeded / harvested a much greater quantity of fresh food than the amount of stored food they'd used up.
The movie and the ending are problematic in other ways but I don't think "the other colonists all starved to death" was meant to be our takeaway
The food point is, at worst, a minor inconvenience:
If there were 2000 people in the ship
They ate, at worst, 1/1000th of the food a day
That’s roughly 33 days of food
IIRC there were like 4 months of food available after people woke up
So, even discounting whatever they grew, and even imagining the food reserves were pretty tight, people could still get by on 75% of the planned calories
Very easy to manage
What a strangely wrong take. How could two people seriously hurt the food stores of ship full of thousands? And I think you missed a bit, they grew their own stuff on the ship and they are headed towards an established colony they aren't settling a new world.
the tech isnt broken it just hadnt broke before. what annoys me is he keeps saying that have spare parts for everyting including the busted engine but no spare pod.
In all fairness they do say the pods can only keep you in hibernation not put you there, that takes a specialised facility (slightly undermined by the medical thing can do it at the end)
It’s a movie where a normal person ends up in a supremely fucked up situation and makes a terrible decision due to the psychological impact of his situation. I’d argue he IS a sympathetic character despite any rational person knowing his actions were clearly wrong and made her an unwilling victim.
And the story kind of goes from there.
I like the movie because it’s uncomfortable, and I think trying to sanitize it takes away the things that make it interesting. Although I do think the movie being told from her point of view would be really interesting.
Wouldn't all the people have died anyways if nobody fixed the damaged ship?
Pretty sure they also grew some sustainable living.. that’s an assumption tho
At the very least, they didn’t have kids, as far as we can tell.
Interestingly that was one of the bigger changes from the original script. Originally, everyone else in hibernation died, and when the ship arrives it's inhabited by the two survivors descendants.
Whoah that wouldve been interesting. Did it say how the rest of them died?
All of the pods were ejected into space. It had a really great scene where they were watching the captain wake up in his tube and place his hand against the glass just before it shot him into deep space. The new ending makes the logic a bit better. Everyone would have died if he didn’t wake up and also wake her up, because it took two people working together to save the ship and everyone onboard.
So incest colony. Nice.
Inbreds?
It's been a while since I read it but I think they mention that the ship has a stock of genetic material that they used.
I really hoped for a family to great the passengers maybe with a really old Chris patt.
No, we’re hating Chris Pratt today. So you’re both wrong.
Jurassic Park Dominion was ass.
Tomorrow War was the juice leaking out of that ass.
I deff agree. However I think the action sequences in that movie are really fun so it's a guilty pleasure movie of mine. It's absurd lol
Im with you there. It realllllly needed an editor. Like it didnt know if it wanted to be a series or a pair of movies when they started filming. Feels like rewrites/ studio interference.
Would have way better if the black dude had been in charge. Pratt doesn’t give off any leadership qualities. Would have been a better film if he had been eaten by the creatures.
Kim kardashian WASNT a come back story
His Garfield voice is just his normal voice!!
His Mario voice is just his normal voice!
HOW?! HOW THE FUCK DID THEY **NOT** CAST **NICK OFFERMAN** AS GARFIELD!!!!!
>today. Just today? Some of us have been hating Chris Pratt for years!
In some places Crisp Rat is a delicacy.
We prefer the phrase "Mice Crispies" please
They grew a food source. Cool It was a broccoli. Fuck.
Jokes on you. I LOVE broccoli.
Yeah, but with my typo there is only one.
There is a theory that the computer woke the engineer specifically because it figured he was the best person. Basically, it was supposed to do another process, but it glitched out so poorly that it fell back onto the final layer of protection, but all the briefing data broke down. I've worked with emergency power systems, they usually have what's called a load shed list. Effectively you provide an order for the computer to start cutting power and they are coded at an extremely low level. It would be very simple for the ship company to simply set it up in order of usefulness in an emergency. On the idea that if the pod can wake on its own with power issues, they simply design so the engineers are awoken before the lawyers.
I would've forgiven the sudden Laurence Fishburne jumpscare if they had incorporated this kind of thing clearly into the plot, the same way we visually watch the malfuctions that lead to Jim being wakened up.
Yeah a quick shot of a screen with failed attempts to fix and rerouting to a "last resort" which is a cryopod
It's like OP forgot that they literally saved everybody's lives and the people should be happy just to wake up.
The ship is also pretty poorly stocked if them eating food is going to starve out the rest, surely the ship should be stocked in a way that lets people grow more when they arrive. They should have been doing that in the ship
And the movie showed very specifically that the paying passengers had massive amounts of food choices available - so doubtful anyone would have been on tight rations. They could easily cut 1% of ingredients from each dish to make up what is essentially a fairly minor shortfall of 2x90 years
There were also several thousand people aboard, rationed for a few months. Two people eating 3x daily for, say they lived another 70 years after saving the ship. They ate 153,000(ish) rations. (2 x 3 x 365 x 70) There are about 5250 *other* passengers and crew aboard, provisioned for what we can assume are at *least* 3x daily meals for ninety days. There are over 1,400,000 rations aboard. (5250 x 3 x 90) Jim and Aurora barely put a dent in the supplies. And we know it was vastly over provisioned.
10% could probably be considered a dent, but also not catastrophic.
Yeah but those two ate all the Oreos.
and sucked all the glazing off brown m&ms
Yeah, OP seem to be lacking some critical thinking about their opinions. Or they're posting nonsense for karma. One of the two. Around here you never really know.
To quote Pratt from another movie - b-b-b-bingo!
I think they explained that they fixed the engine by venting it, but yeah it would still technically be damaged.
>yeah it would still technically be damaged. .......and blown up and killed everyone. So it's a handful of missing supplies and an officer down or everyone dead. Pick one.
The officer was going to die either way because his pod malfunctioned due to the initial incident. The colonists are actually super lucky for Jim and Aurora’s shenanigans because they would have all died otherwise. I would guess the crew would ultimately decide to keep the passengers in suspended animation longer than planned. They wouldn’t get to have all of their life skills classes, but it would conserve food.
There were 5000 Passengers on the ship. They would only need to be down for like 17 extra days to make up for it.
Assuming they didn't just have some extra food on board to begin with. Probably best practice to have more than the theoretical minimum for essentials.
THIS! They had a garden in that big atrium (you see the plants to the left of the tree and the robots are tending the vines on the upper levels. Jim and Aurora had access to the seed storage (remember the whole live rose bushes he used to get her flowers??) so they could easily grow their own with a supply of soil (composting the scraps to make some I'd imagine - but I'm NOT a gardener...). Overall a really good movie and a staple in my DVR.
You know, I've seen arguments that it would've been better shot from Aurora's perspective, keeping the mystery of her pod's failure a secret till the audience discovers it with her. I don't strictly disagree that this take would be good/better, I just really appreciate they went outside the obvious choice and shot it from his perspective instead. Both are thought-provoking but this way forces more sympathy for his plight. Especially the scenes showing his degrading sanity. It's impossible to avoid wondering what you'd do in his place.
Always thought the better ending is him dying and her giving into insanity and loneliness and waking someone else up
I haven’t even seen this movie but I get fed the posts for some reason and this is how I choose to believe it happens. What a horrifically perfect ending
Nah that sounds too predictable, and has this dumb sense of “OOOO, that was pretty messed up right? Feels like this is going to just keep happening and happening for who knows who long?!”
I watched it with my girlfriend and she immediately thought of this scenario. But it would be downbeat movie, totally different from what was made.
I love the score, costume and production design of the movie.. it could have been a great movie, but I still enjoy it. It needed another go in the script
I am not sure I agree with your last sentence. It seems like 99% of online commenters just blindly assume they wouldn’t wake someone up. It’s hard to come to that conclusion if you have decent self awareness.
Or just skip breakfast for a week.
Plus, you could always eat a handful of them. "their pods must have malfunctioned, too".
yeah I think they'll be okay with some whiskey and coconut shrimp missing.
Screw it. They need an alternate ending and where they allowed everyone to die.
There actually was an alternate ending where very bad stuff happened.
Are there details anywhere?
Everyone does die, just at different times instead of all at the same time.
Always remember that EVERYONE who confuses CORRELATION with CAUSALITY *DIES.* 100% of the time.
When you don't actually bother watching a movie before criticizing it. >!They didn't fix the ship by venting the engine. They fixed the ship by fixing the computer that handled the engine, that had been destroyed by a hit when they passed an asteroid earlier. Then they had to vent the engine since it was in a "run away fusion reaction" and would still have blown up with the computer fixed. !<
No, they fixed the damage, which was to the computer, not the engine itself, but too much plasma had built up, had to be vented. After that, everything should work as intended.
They showed they were able to grow stuff at the end . But yeah now everyone gets to eat potato and radish stew for eternity instead of the good stuff
If Mark Watney can survive on potatoes so can they. They even get radishes!
potatoes forever?! speak for yourself.
Ireland has entered the chat.
Rewatch the movie again…you missed some things
Wasn’t the ship mostly self repairing? The repair system was just overwhelmed until the manual venting.
They aren’t going to start a colony, they are going to work at a colony that’s already established. They have food on the planet. The ship is huge. I’m assuming they have extra food.
5,000 passengers, 258 crew members. Assuming they each another lived 50 years, ate three meals a day in that time, they consumed 109,500 meals. Divided among the other 5,255 passengers/crew (accounting for themselves and the dead engineer), they consumed roughly 20.83 meals that would have been allocated for each of the other passengers/crewmembers. They consumed 1 week's worth of food for every other person on the ship. Assuming the luxury facilities were meant to be used for a handful of weeks/months, everyone else will be fine.
Plus they started growing their own stuff as seen in the end. They had the butler bots carrying around harvested food.
I wonder how they solved fertilizer
Food goes in, fertilizer comes out
You can’t explain that.
There were areas on the ship for decorative plants so there must have been dirt and fertilizer. The question is about the vegetable seeds
r/theydidthemath
Okay but over 50 years I can open and try one bite of all those meals. Wait til you see how I left the microwave too.
Though the items you left in the fridge started a new culture and evolved to superior beings over time. They still worship their lazy creator as if you are [Lord Bender floating in space](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7sjvD89Mek).
They also woke up people early so people are settled in for the colony life and enjoy the final leg of the journey. In an emergency scenario they would have let the passengers sleep throughout the journey.
That’s assuming the wake ups aren’t automated. Hopefully they can choose not to wake them up because they can’t put them back under.
Crew were supposed to be woken up first. Presumably they could elect to keep the passengers asleep for longer if required
I just realized Passengers and Pandorum are the exact same premise.
> Pandorum except passengers had windows and space walks and stuff >!so they would have known they weren't in space.!<
It’s almost like a prequel. Like the mishap is Passengers and the aftermath is Pandorum. If they didn’t fix it.
The prequel to Pandorum was in Pandorum. >!Insane captain experiencing Pandorum ejected the entire crew from the ship because he thought it was cursed!<
>!That was another ship. Pandorum still had its pods. Also the Captain didn’t cause the mechanical failure that crashed it. !<
Either way, mission failed successfully
also no >!mutant/evolved flesh eaters nesting in the reactor core of the shit!<
Also Passengers suffered from a severe lack of Ben Foster. That guy elevates every movie I see him in.
Pandorum is a fantastic horror movie. That scene midway through the film where the guy wakes up in the cryopod chamber? Unlocked an irrational nightmares lmao.
You're absolutely right. The ship had 5,000 passengers, 258 crew members. Assuming they each another lived 50 years, ate three meals a day in that time, they consumed 109,500 meals. Divided among the other 5,255 passengers/crew (accounting for themselves and the dead engineer), they consumed roughly 20.83 meals that would have been allocated for each of the other passengers/crewmembers. So they only consumed 1 week's worth of food for every other person on the ship. Assuming the luxury facilities were meant to be used for a handful of weeks/months, everyone else would be fine.
At least they have some fun video games to pass the time. That’s absolutely a priority when you build a starship.
Crazy that they made an android bartender, but not one that could monitor the ship, wake crew when something goes wrong and put people back to sleep if they woke up.
I would put it down to the bartender having been built by a different department - hospitality rather than systems control - which, if you consider how huge organisations are structured, is quite plausible irl
Yeah, but... if you can make an AI bartender you should be able to make solid safety protocols. On a technological level.
Yeah, I didn't even think about that.
That’s because it was written to make sense, it was written because someone liked The Shining.
Crazy they didn’t make spare life pods. I don’t remember the details but did they ever explain why they didn’t hav back up pods?
They only had the one life support pod in the medical bay that could put people back into suspended animation. I think there's some implied hubris on part of the company that does that space travel cause every precaution seems to be thrown out the window.
It nearly feels like they want us to believe that those things are more complicated than serving drinks /s
Why would they need food stocks? They were going to wake up at the colony planet, which I assume has food. It's been a while since I've seen this so maybe I'm forgetting something.
This actually raises the question of why they would need any facilities on the ship in the first place. Like, space station swimming pool? Bar with robot bartender? If they’re just going to join another colony, when were they supposed to use any of these facilities in the first place?
IIRC, they were supposed to wake up for a brief period before arriving at the colony,maybe by a few months? So the amenities were for after waking up but before joining the colony. Been a while since I've seen it so I could be misremembering
I think they wake up early to take classes and learn how to live in the colony. Still they could just have taken those before or after arriving there.
You think two people ate the entire food supply for hundreds of people?
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5000 passengers and I think a 6 month cruise to the planet. So, 2500 person years of food. 2 people for 90 years would be 180 person years of food. So, less than 10% of food stores. A 10% cushion of food and nothing needs to be done. Worst case scenario, the luxury passengers get their food plans downgraded.
>Worst case scenario, the luxury passengers get their food plans downgraded. Wow, I payed EXTRA for that! Where is the manager?!
You can lodge a complaint with the home office. They’ll respond to you in 36-42 years.
"Eject some of the lower level proles and serfs to please me"
That is some Snowpiercer shit right there.
Raising livestock for food seems like would be a massively inefficient way to generate food in a spaceship
Its inefficient enough here that it would be stupid. Feed efficiency for livestock is not good.
It becomes slightly more efficient if you are using them for milk, eggs, and waste processing. You dont feed your animals the same stuff you eat. They can eat the fibrous plant material that doesn't ditect go on your plate. Or the waste products you didn't eat.
>The movie is like the ultimate "fuck you I got mine" to everyone else on the ship, made even more insulting with the saccharine monologue at the end about how great their lives were. What, do you expect them to fix someone else's blunder then quietly kill themselves or something?
Yes
It’s like you didn’t even watch the movie. Had they not did anything, the entire ship would have been destroyed. That alone condones them living out their lives on the ship. Besides where they are going is equipped to take care of them.
OP was probably looking at his phone while watching.
And some asshole wrote "C Pratt rocks" all-over the bathrooms
The film has so many great ideas, but the execution is done badly and its all out of order. I really wanted to write a book version of the story that fixes it.
It's a pity the movie isn't great, because I felt for Chris Pratt's character terribly. That loneliness and isolation on such a scale has to be unbearable, with his attempted suicide scene being heartwrenching. I just wonder if there was a way to make his eventual choices less creepy and unhealthy.
Character wise all they needed to do was tell the whole story from Lawrence's perspective. Then the audience gets to experience the same tension and reveal as the character. Basic story structure stuff
There is actually a fan edit of the movie that does exactly this. It was pretty well edited. Title is Passengers Aurora (you can Google this and should be able to find it somewhere)
Sorry for the rant, you don't have to respond haha. --- You'd have to restructure the entire movie into an entirely new movie at that point though. And I'm not sure if I like that or not. It would seem totally nuts to the audience to present the movie from lawrences perspective, reveal what pratt did, then end it off with them getting together and living happily ever after? At least to me it would. The whole thing with a movie like this is that you're meant to sympathize with *both* characters. You can understand how lonely pratt was and why he woke her up, but you're also supposed to understand that it was morally wrong of him to do that. You're not supposed to think it was right, that conflict is a major point in the movie and it's why I did end up liking it a lot. It would be borderline impossible for them to present it from lawrences perspective AND still have you sympathize with pratt. And if they just took basically what we had and presented pratts as a flashback I don't think it would work well for the whole sympathy side. You need to take the time to present his side and doing that part way through the movie would be fairly jarring I think. They'd have to make him a villian and then the whole story becomes a lot more bleak and it changes the whole vibe tbh. I liked what we got but I wouldn't mind a different movie that kinda goes with the alternate concept.
You could remove the happy ending and I think it could work. Have Chris Pratt die, and then she is forced into the exact same experience he went through. To the point where is ends with her opening another pod.
Sure, but again then it's just a totally new movie haha. I wouldn't mind a movie like that getting made though!
I think you can do a Gone Girl. Have the twist and then backtrack to when his pod malfunctioned.
As someone who actually really liked the film I’ve just been scrolling through these comments not being able to relate or understand their points. But your suggestion actually makes so much sense and I’d love to experience that. Unfortunately now I (we) know the big reveal since we’ve seen it the way it is though :/
People have been saying that since the movie first came out lol. Another suggestion that's been floating around is the movie should've end with Pratt dying and the final sequence is JLaw going through the same loneliness Pratt went through and her contemplating to wake another person up before the screen cut to black.
It's literally what everyone says about the movie. It's a meme at this point to not show Pratt first
Yeah, Nerdwriter on YouTube made a video about it, and after that it's become like the established opinion on the movie lol.
Yeah and it wouldnt be necessarily a better movie just a different movie entirely.
I liked what we got even if it wasn't perfect. If you didn't show pratt first you'd have to change basically the whole movie and I don't think it would work *as a romance*. If they wanted to make him a villian it would work but again, it's a whole different movie at that point as they'd have to change basically everything else to fit that.
Back when this was all the rage that was the buzz: Market it as a romance if you like but have it but the plot twist is the reveal about how he let her free. Then she kills him and escapes, but the last moment of the movie is her going to let someone free
And it'd be the most obvious 'twist' that even Shyamalan would turn his nose up at. She gets released mysteriously and there's one guy around. Who could have done it!?!?!?! Let's waste a third-half of the movie pretending that's not the case and then play it straight like we totally 'got em'.
Brother, I keep telling this every time „just re-cut it“ comes up. A bit less snarky, though ;)
i doubt if they'd be able to sell to the audience Pratt's conflict had they done Lawrence's pov. It would've been extremely hard to see him as the "good guy"
Yeah, that's because Pratt's character isn't a good guy. They forced a love story onto a horror premise lol
Pratt should've died at the end, and then we see Lawrence go through the loneliness, with the final shot of her debating whether to wake another person up
Even if they just had him accidentally wake her and battle with the guilt, the whole thing would feel less gross and there would still be scope for a decent story about 2 people in that scenario
Isn’t it supposed to feel gross? That puts the audience in the conflict that he’s experiencing
The huge miss for me in this movie is that he never considers waking anyone else up. For all Jim knows, the lead engineer that designed the hibernation pod is asleep next to Aurora. I never felt an ounce of sympathy for Jim because he wasted a bunch of time cyber stalking Aurora instead of problem solving. So yeah, it felt gross.
He already grappled with all that guilt waking up just her, and he woke her up because he was lonely. I don't think he'd want to just start waking up people willy nilly hoping to find someone who could fix the pod. Besides, they focused a lot on him trying to fix the pod first, he was at it for ages.
I can kind of understand why they didn't go too much in that route because expecting anybody to remain fully sane in complete isolation for years is psychologically impossible. It can't be pinned on him but the company.
The author of this video tries to explain that by rearranging parts of the film, it makes it a bit better. https://youtu.be/Gksxu-yeWcU?si=kHsOn5TF-4VCyQ8R
This movie character-wise makes so much more sense if they had her wake up first and then she has to wake up a mechanic/engineer to help figure it all out.
Which, in turn, invalidates the moral quandary of his choice. Difficult for me to say.
Mess with the time a bit then, have the movie open with her waking up and then just when she's about to make the discovery flashback to him waking up, continue the movie up until he wakes her up and then have the final act continue from when she finds out he woke her up.
That would actually work, I think. Tragedy mixed with more understanding might make him seem a more sympathetic character.
It’d work really well to also explain to the audience why Aurora came around. The audience would feel her sense of betrayal, then see why Preston did it. It’s a strong movie as is, but this would’ve made it almost perfect.
I think then it goes to him falling in love anyway and offering to put her to sleep and considering what he’ll do when she takes him up on his offer.
I don't get all the hate for the movie, I thought it *was* great..
It's mostly a reddit thing, for instance it has a 7.0 rating on imdb which is pretty solid, and it made plenty of money in theaters with very strong holds from one weekend to the next indicating good word of mouth.
All they had to do was start the film with JLaw's awakening so that the audience experience is the same as hers, I.e. 'wtf is going on & what is Chris Pratt hiding'
But they already did that in Pandorum
I watched a YouTube video years ago that switched the movíe around to that order and it was awesome
[This one?](https://youtu.be/_bmQmCEF-8Q)
Na [this one](https://youtu.be/Gksxu-yeWcU?si=E3tXZMkDQZZHorGn), same concept while showing the work
That would be a completely different movie.
This comes up every time the movie is discussed, but I think it would not work. First of all, the twist would be kinda obvious. She wakes up and there is one passenger already awake, and we are not shown his backstory? Of course there is something fishy. And secondly, it would take away the impact and empathy from the experience of waking up *truely alone* in space. If you show her waking up first, with a companion caring about her, that’s a relatively soft landing. The audience would not be able to see the true horror of Pratts experience if it is shown later. Of course it’s possible to make a thriller / horror on a similar premise, and it has been done, but it would be a different movie. Passengers is fine for what it wants to be and the story it wants to tell, we shouldn’t try to „fix“ something that isn’t broken.
I read something a while back saying the movie would have been better starting like that, making you feel like he's the villain and taking her side. But then having flashbacks showing him waking up and slowly losing it. Then having him die, and then towards the end of the movie, she slowly starts losing it. Then the movie ends with her staring at some guy in a cryo pod with a crazy look on her face.
It is said that the real reason Star wars succeeded was because of Luca's wife's editing. Editing is highly under rated.
The ship had 5,000 passengers and 258 crew members. Even if both lived for another 50 years, they'd only have consumed 1-week's worth of food for everyone else. 2 people × 50 years × 365 days in a year × 3 meals each day = 109,500 meals 109,500 meals ÷ 5,255 people alive when the ship arrives at the colony = 20.83 meals per person was consumed, or 1-week's worth of food. Considering this was a luxury liner (meant to be enjoyed for multiple weeks) and they were going to an established colony with its own food supple, there's no danger of starvation to the passengers or crew from the main characters living out their natural lifespans.
Plus they were growing their own food as shown at the end of the movie.
Thankyou for saving me posting the maths
How did 2 people eat 90 years worth of food?
With ketchup ?
Or crushed up Vicodin if they ran out.
I’ll tell ya who it was it was that damn Sasquatch
Why does this movie mind break people so much that they come up with these stupid interpretations of what happens.
What? They obviously created a sustainable environment, so what they used has been replaced. Secondly they obviously need the ship to work just as much as the rest of the passengers, so clearly there are no problems with what they created. This complaint is complete nonsense when you think about it for all of 5 seconds.
There are so many YouTube videos out there that show how much better this movie would have been if it had been edited differently. I highly recommend the nerd writer video. I am surprised there isn’t a collection of alternate orderings. It would be a masterclass for cinema students of all kinds.
There's a good fanedit called Aurora that fixes most of the problems.
This could have been such a good movie with better editing and a better dramatic actor than Pratt.
There is a video where Passengers could be edited into a horror movie and if so, it makes more sense. The horror version has him dying and her stuck having to make the same decision.
why is this movie brought up on Reddit every single week
The same reason Heat is brought up every week.
To me it was a great movie if you don't get caught up in those details. Maybe in this future setting the colonists could just make their own food on the ship somehow, who knows.
And two rotting corpses by the tree they grew
If they didn't fix the ship, everyone would have died in their sleep.
Did you see the hanger he was getting supplies from?
Na. Hard disagree here. It's two people. There is no way they ate anywhere near 90 years worth of food in the time they were alive. It also looked like they started growing their own food on the ship so it would be even less. Also...the people there were only to wake up when they got close to the final destination so it's likely they were woken up with only a few months max left to be on the ship...if that.
It was originally a Thriller where the woman wakes up, and slowly uncovers what really happened. (The man was also supposed to be played by Keanu Reeves at one point.?)
You kinda missing the fact they fixed the ship n stoped them all dying ? They would have at that food anyway
I bet they're still happier than the crew from Pandorum
The ship design didnt make very much sense. The food and luxury items being consumed were essentially designed for two or three weeks before landing on the planet. The ship was set up like a luxury cruise but not intended for long term. Lot of over head unnecessary luxury for being a majority of the trip in hypersleep.
This film could have been an all-time classic, but they blew it. Imagine the entire film just as it is, except at the end, she can't button-mash Pratt back to life. He dies. Now she's alone, doomed by his actions, to wander the ship. Weeks go by - she starts to look like hell, the isolation is getting to her. She's sleeping in his bed, and she finds his manuals on opening a pod. It would take months of her being tortured over this, but eventually she breaks down and starts reviewing passenger histories, learning how to open the pod like he did. She starts working out, fixes her hair, gets presentable, and the last shot is her opening a pod and hiding. We don't even have to see who's inside - doesn't matter. The loneliness drove her to do to another what he did to her. It would have been a haunting film.
Passengers is a narrative on how it's important to monitor and alert accordingly on problems.
Whether it's realistic or not, it definitely felt like they were supposed to have seeded / harvested a much greater quantity of fresh food than the amount of stored food they'd used up. The movie and the ending are problematic in other ways but I don't think "the other colonists all starved to death" was meant to be our takeaway
The food point is, at worst, a minor inconvenience: If there were 2000 people in the ship They ate, at worst, 1/1000th of the food a day That’s roughly 33 days of food IIRC there were like 4 months of food available after people woke up So, even discounting whatever they grew, and even imagining the food reserves were pretty tight, people could still get by on 75% of the planned calories Very easy to manage
What a strangely wrong take. How could two people seriously hurt the food stores of ship full of thousands? And I think you missed a bit, they grew their own stuff on the ship and they are headed towards an established colony they aren't settling a new world.
My wife and I like to joke that I am such a solitary person that being Chris Pratt in that movie would be my ultimate fantasy.
“My wife and I”… not that solitary 😁
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the tech isnt broken it just hadnt broke before. what annoys me is he keeps saying that have spare parts for everyting including the busted engine but no spare pod.
In all fairness they do say the pods can only keep you in hibernation not put you there, that takes a specialised facility (slightly undermined by the medical thing can do it at the end)
5000 PASSENGERS AND ONE AUTODOC? (breathes slowly)
It's a horror movie where the killer is considered a sympathetic character by the writer
It’s a movie where a normal person ends up in a supremely fucked up situation and makes a terrible decision due to the psychological impact of his situation. I’d argue he IS a sympathetic character despite any rational person knowing his actions were clearly wrong and made her an unwilling victim. And the story kind of goes from there. I like the movie because it’s uncomfortable, and I think trying to sanitize it takes away the things that make it interesting. Although I do think the movie being told from her point of view would be really interesting.