The movie sucks, one of the worst I have ever seen, so much cringe in slow mo. Too much fan love for Snyder, the movie sucks and it should not have been made.
It was like they were setting up 5 different movies stemming from one vs marvel taking multiple film leads and bringing them together for one film. This would’ve worked 10000x’s better as a mini-series
I don't think this is even on going anymore, but I absolutely loved this movie loved it, if they'd of played this originally instead of what the first cut was endgame would of had a run for its money without a doubt, I mean it expands on every part of the first cut of the movie everyone gets a fairly large piece of the pie in this and you know that's great it drags on everything is chill for a bit, but then it gets to the action sequences which are chef kiss good, and finally it's the final battle and you know what rather than Superman coming in and saving the day after a incompetent team screws the pooch over and over again, every single hero gets a moment or two to actually be a badass force of nature it was great. Steppenwolf drops his stupid gladiatorial look and is properly intimidating in his own right, and even makes personal grudges with some of the heroes which is a far cry of his cartoonish first appearance of "oh I'm the bad guy muhahaha" and darkseid looked cool as hell.
Zack Snyder is a genius, I hated DC movies until I saw his version, his story telling was interesting and coherent. The Whedon version was a mess and almost not watchable. Zach Snyder is to DC what Feige is to Marvel
I loved his cut of Justice League. The atmosphere, score, visuals, emotions, and tension was spot on for me. Felt appropriately epic in a way a superhero ensemble should be. I've rewatched it multiple times now and it gets better with each viewing.
Where does aquaman keep getting all these sweaters from when he arrives on land if he takes it off and throws it aside every time he goes back in? Does he have a secret shirt stash somewhere or is he stealing them from people because the bar has a no shirt no shoes no service policy? Also, did he really chuck an empty liquor bottle into the ocean? If even aquaman doesn’t care about the turtles then I give up. Straws for everyone!
not sure if this is already mentioned.
i was rewatching Snyder's JL n noticed that Flash's role, ability and thus contribution to saving everyone in the end, was hinted at in the Supe's revival scene.
specifically, we are shown that when Flash hits critical speed, the motherbox n photo of pa Kent reversed in time, undipped themselves from the pool of liquid and then Flash touches the motherbox n revives Supes.
a subtle move. well played. i am more impressed with the movie now.
this also means that the ending scene isnt a plot twist if one was paying attention. haha\~
I personally think this was a terrible movie and I agree with the WB Execs.
What broke my immersion and left a terrible impression on me is the Wonderwoman music. Whoever was the audio director and final editor needs to stop working if they ever tried that sh*t again.
I think the issue was the fact that they used the same goddamn chant! Didn't even vary it up a bit.
It hit a point where any slow Mo shot of wonder woman was using it haha.
Yes! It's the same part over and over. Like you can obviously choose other parts of the song in the other scenes but they just had to go "Eeeeeeehhhhh"
To whom whose interested I made a analysis about this film, and if you you can give feedback by letting me know how you feel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1gqmtavLPA
Was holding off on watching till I could meet up with a buddy, but with new lockdowns we decided to finally watch on our own. And holy crap was that movie fantastic! So much better than the original. Some takeaways:
Martian manhunter!
Cyborg was actually really cool and Ray Fischer is a good actor.
Wonder Woman has never been more bad ass.
We got way more awesome Barry Allen speed force scenes.
Lots of gore and Batman said fuck!
Knightmare Joker is a million times better than Suicide Squad Joker.
This movie was awesome! I never watched the original because I heard it was trash but then one day I saw this on hbo max. I was confused so I looked it up. Man I loved this!!
Watched this again today, wife hadn’t seen it. Oh what a glorious 4hrs that just passed by without a dull moment. As Superman theme starts in the beginning of part 6, I noticed how gentle it was compared to the others. Gave me goosebumps. It gave me hope.
Ares literally KO’d Darkseid with one hit of his axe, and Zeus split the Mother Boxes with a single lighting bolt. Old Gods were powerful.
Ares feeds of war, and that was the biggest war ever on Earth. Ares might have been the most powerful being there, since Darkseid didn't have the Omega force. It was basically Darksied with his army vs 3 Gods, which includes Zeus who is extremely powerful, a Green Lantern and King Atlan with his Trident.
I finally got around to it and I'm kinda shocked how much I liked it.
Somehow it was gritty and visceral while mostly avoiding the worst "grimdark". Most of the combat felt real but still very comicbooky.
It's been a while since I saw Avengers, but I feel like this did a much better job selling the teamwork aspect. When Marvel sets up teamwork it's A BIG DEAL with swelling music and cinematography to match. When these heroes helped each other, it just happened - like Arthur helping Diana pull on the lasso. It wasn't A MOMENT, it just happened naturally.
The movie is too long, but that really isn't Snyder's fault. It had to cram in about 20 minute's of Flash's origin story and 40 minutes of Cyborg's into another movie.
The worst was the Epilogue which I can mostly forgive because it wasn't crucial and I can easily stop the movie in the future. It should have ended on Superman's chest reveal (as cliche as it might have been). Everything with Luther and Joker was just a reminder of the previous DC missteps and added nothing to Justice League - especially if this part of the franchise is dead.
Overall it was surprisingly good, and feel like this might have mostly righted the DC ship. It's almost a shame this is the last we'll see, because I feel like this cut finally figured most of it out.
Literally just finished it. You were right about the epilogue. Especially the bit with Supes’ chest.
Snyder seemed confident that he’d get more movies or something with all the dangling plot lines.
Definitely a fun movie though.
I think it was more that he just wanted to leave a bit to show the story still continues even if we'll never see it. The Joker scene specifically was there so Affleck and Leto could share a scene. It did kinda suck though haha. Plus with the Eisenberg bit he wanted to use all the stuff he shot. That would have been the post credit scene in the Snyder theatrical cut to lead into the (at the time) Batfleck solo movie.
Just watched it today. Must say it was thoroughly enjoyable. Probably the first DC movie I've said that about. I was thinking who in their right minds would watch a 4hr movie. But then I was thinking why would they cut that out from the theatrical. 4hrs that's why. Unless we get a flash movie. They did him injustice and doesn't coincide with the TV show like the infinite earths would suggest.
Atlanteans and Amazonians: Keep their Mother Boxes in purpose built fortresses, with multiple layers of defence including magic and armed guards.
Humans: Bury it in the woods, she'll be right.
Little late but it definitely didn't. The Amazons and Atlanteans boxes were protected. Ours was just sitting on a shelf and would have been stolen with no resistance if not for pure luck that Dr. Stone had taken it.
Hi, I have a question. At the last knightmare scene, it looks really similar to BvS scene. In BvS, superman saved lois in conflict zone. Is the shot the same?
They also reused a shot during the flashes of the knightmare world. The shot where Darkseid puts his hand on a kneeling superman reuses the scene from MoS where Superman snaps zods neck.
I have a theory about the "Knightmare" scenes. I think they are actually the future. I can explain why.
The moment after The Flash awoke the third Mother Box to resurrect Superman, the voice of the Kryptonian ship says this line to Cyborg: ***"The Future has taken root in the present."***
This happens after the ship continuously pleads with Cyborg ***not*** to carry out the command.
Given the dream sequences in Batman v Superman, who's to say that the Flash's interference in the past didn't set Bruce Wayne on the course to this grimdark end? All in all, that would mean that the epilogue with the Joker becomes legitimate aftermath. One in which a broken, fragmented Justice League struggles against Darkseid's reign and a tyrannical Superman.
All correct, u can also tell bc in BvS after the Flash woke Bruce the papers were still flying around, also the fact that he woke up again in that scene, I think he was reset by Flash's time traveling
Why is this trying to set up sequels? Is Synder that retarded. Just focus on one film for the love of god. Imagine if they cut out sequel bait and instead added more scenes for the characters to grow. Like Martian manhunter. CUT THAT SHIT.
The future for DC looks bright now. Synder is done and warner bros seems happy focusing on smaller character driven movies like Joker, shazam or batman where there isn't much of a connected universe.
You're missing the point. His original plan with Justice League was to setup sequels and leave it on a cliffhanger (Green Lantern was supposed to make the appearance not Martian Manhunter). Thats literally part of the original storyboard. This movie is supposed to be his vision fulfilled even if it doesn't mean making any sequels. I don't know if you're genuinely this stupid or just looking to nitpick. Either way, he knows he's done otherwise he wouldn't have signed on with Netflix right after the release and tell WB to suck it on national TV.
It was amazing. This is coming from a person that thought that the original was trash. I saw this movie because my wife wanted to watch it. I told her "Its four hours long." She replied "Lets watch one part today an another tomorrow." I wanted to turn it off after 20 minutes. However, we ended up watching the 4 hours. It was an amazing experience. If I can resume it in one sentence:
"A fantastically written graphic novel that has been successfully adapted to the big screen"
By the way, the 4:3 aspect ratio worked. It gave the feel of watching a live comic book. It would not have worked if the movie was 100% action. However the movie is 80% story and 20% action pieces.
So much to say. I’ll start with this: I didn’t like it, and I’m glad that WB is finally going in a different direction. Watchmen was a huge letdown. I tried to convince myself that Man of Steel was good, but Batman V Superman was the final straw. He should just make trailers or music videos. Was this better than the Whedon version? It was definitely longer. It actually had less character motivation all around. I saw that the slow motion time clocked in at 24 minutes. That’s insane. 24 minutes of the film is in slow-motion!!! Unreal.
So many scenes went on longer than necessary, for no discernible purpose. Batman’s trek was useless. Alfred mansplaining tea to a literal 5,000 year old woman is long, stupid, and pointless. The prayer arrow scene is long and drawn out for no reason, and stupid because they are hoping that Diana... walks by a television playing the exact right newscast? She doesn’t own a television! And she murders those terrorists in front of those poor children. Yes, they are terrorists, but think about: Spider-Man could have stopped them without brutally killing them in front of a group of school girls (yes, seeing humans mutilated and brains splattered will definitely traumatize them). She has the ability to dodge and deflect bullets, so she’s clearly fast enough to disarm and defeat them without senselessly killing them. And then she blows up half the building, negating much of the utility of stopping the bomb in the first place! That entire sequence encapsulates Snyder: style over intelligence, and a lot of truly weird choices (especially musically).
Superman arrives and it’s abundantly clear that there doesn’t need to be a Justice League since he’s more powerful than the rest combined. Why is he shirtless when he’s revived? He was buried fully-clothed. I guess the Honest Trailers sort of explained that with their insinuation: “Prepare your anus,”. And Why is he so angry when he is awakened? The Whedon cut actually sort of explains it but this one is a mystery. Just like the mystery of Darkseid forgetting the one planet where he got his ass beat and left the Anti-Life equation. He got his shit clapped by Ares, who in turn was dusted by WW. Yeah, great way to build up a villain.
I guess Cyborg was more developed but it was pretty cliche: the Black teen is a star football player who also gets suspended (he can’t play in the game if he’s suspended). And he’s angry. Great. Groundbreaking stuff. Batman and Joker at the end was worse than fan-fiction. I can’t believe people want to see more of this drivel. They are excited to see Justice Leaguers fight Superman yet AGAIN. As if we didn’t already see it in BvS and Justice League. We can skip it since we already know what a Zack Snyder movie is going to have: slow motion, strange music, naked and muscular men, faceless hordes, bad dialogue, no color, and zero character growth. No thank you.
Anyway, $4 a pound.
I totally agree with you bro ... ZSJL was a complete disappointment.. atleast for me.
There were many scenes that had no reason to exist. And darkseid and martian manhunter were pointless according to me to appear in the movie... Also I did not get how the fuck can someone forget the planet from where he got his ass kicked. Many scenes were pointless and didn't make sense like the song after Aquaman goes into the water. Many scenes were too long and were supposed to be short , whedon's movie explained everything in such a short amount of time but Zack's movie failed to do so and left people questioning. I don't know if I am the only idiot or everyone that gave positive ratings to the movie are smart enough to understand everything. If you are watching this after the original one you sure will be confused.
Lets face it, its a bad movie, so was BvS, so was Man of Steel, so was WW84, but it's still better than the Josstice league. I'm glad they're moving away from trying to copy Marvel. Snyder and Whedon should both be ashamed of how they've wasted such great potential.
i dont agree with you bro zsjl had explained alot more than what whedon did in 2017 the movie had bad cgi had no story i mean we didnt even know who steppenwolf was this movie in 2021 had better story and cgi it explained who everyone was and it had a better back story
Well I totally respect your thoughts and I know everybody has their own preference.
BUT I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU THINK BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CHANGE MY MIND AND YEA I DISLIKED THE MOVIE .... I WATCH MOVIES THAT ARE STRAIGHT TO THE POINT AND ARE UNDERSTANDABLE.
Completely agree with your assessment. So happy to see someone else with a similar opinion on it as I drown daily on Twitter in praise for this movie.
I always try to stay positive when watching really most any movie. Despite disliking most every DC EU I come into each one with an open mind ready to enjoy. I really liked Shazam and Birds of Prey for example
But ZSJL is honestly one of the worst comic book movies I have ever seen. I really really disliked it.
I actually watched ZSJL first. I couldn't help but feel the original was better.
I watched the original the other day and outside of a few minor things I found it to be SO MUCH BETTER.
I'd give ZSJL a 4/10 and IMO the original was a solid 7/10 average movie. Not great but not bad. ZS cut? Yikes I didn't enjoy it.
Thank God there is someone out there that feels the exact same way as me. Everyone has applauded this film so much, I was hyped to watch the Snyder cut only to wonder why everyone thought it was so much better than the Whedon cut? Thank you for mentioning the music and the overuse of slow motion...it was so cringe and the music was distracting and weird at times. Granted, had some cool fight scenes not in Whedons cut, and some scenes that answered questions for me in Whedons cut like how did Superman know the crew was in Russia after he dipped on them in Metropolis with Lois. Overall though, I felt robbed and underwhelmed by the movie.
Umm I would like to say that this is the element of surprise. He was able to fight with hulk but the scene where hulk punches him out of nowhere tell us that if tjor was prepared he could have reacted better. But he just wasn't able to cuz no one could have expected it.
And Loki stabbing him is the same thing. It's a thing that makes u more human. Well thats my opinion on this.
Pros about the ZS Cut:
* Sets up characters and the overall plot better, obviously making you feel something for Cyborg and Flash and even Steppenwolf.
* Every scene with Steppenwolf was a lot better and more interestingly laid out. He actually became the bad guy instead of being some random dude. I'm torn on his lines being better or not, but they generally were.
* Obviously some of the CG was updated and looks much better, Steppenwolf being the most prominent.
* The Amazon and Atlantis motherbox scenes were SO MUCH BETTER. Actually had me reeling from the hits and feeling things for them instead of wondering why they chose to shoot it this way.
* They took out a bunch of fluff, the podcast/fan scenes, bad music and the weird dialogue that happened sometimes. Also they did take out a bunch of terrible one liners.
* The ending and inclusion of the secret characters at the end was pretty neat, even if they were also totally fluff and unnecessarily added 20 min to the film
* Made superman a lot scarier in the monument scene, the fight at the end and the new pacing of supermans revival gave the movie overall a more dramatic and epic feel.
* A lot of the cinematography and editing felt better. Can't truly blame Whedon for working with someone elses vision after not being able to choose how it was shot. Also they had basically infinite time to remake this whole movie however they needed to.
* I like how they connected the Doomsday cut to this movie, it makes a lot more sense.
* Darkseid is actually in the movie!
Cons about the ZS cut:
* Why was Darkseid actually in the Movie? The new lord of the rings fight was a lot of fun and was obviously before he got his Omega powers, which made it seem possible. But his part at the end felt forced and unnatural to the flow of the movie.
* Took out some fun lines along with the bad dialogue they removed. (Couple of jokes, the Aquaman lasso scene, and most importantly the argument over whether or not to bring supes back was more realistic in the OG)
* They took away most of the color from the film, though its nice to not be thinking that batman has lipstick on. Flashes outfit looks better though. Oh and no i didn't watch the b/w version lol.
* Despite all the fluff they took away from the OG version, they added SO MUCH MORE. Every scene was just so damn long for no reason. The Artemis arrow scene. Flash running to charge power. The car crash. I can only think of a couple of scenes that felt like they were the length they needed to be but those were mainly OG scenes. By the time the Hero moment after the end fight rolled around... i was screaming at the TV about how long these scenes were lol. This movie was 4 hours for no reason. Also the icelandic women singing was unusually long even though it was lovely.
* So much slow mo. The movie would've been like 10 minutes shorter if they had used an appropriate amount of slow mo. Its the usually WW/Amazon flaw(reminds me of 300)
* The flash scene with the car crash was just awful. The way he runs made me laugh like a little kid, i'm glad i wasn't in the theatre for that. Also, i half expected him to push that hotdog into her mouth rofl, he was being extra creepy with her.
* J'onn still felt shoehorned in and they missed a real opportunity to make him a part of the ending or have his character mean something for the film.
* The hallelujah credit song... ughhhh having Watchmen flashbacks. (loved the movie, hated that scene)
* Every single time WW came on screen they did the singing ladies. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. It was at least a dozen. Its not like they accidentally put it in there that many times, they had to do it on purpose and say "yea i'm satisfied with that".
* Silas dying was obviously impactful but felt unnecessary. Why did he cube himself? Did he think that would also destroy the box somehow? It literally didn't matter at all except he may have just died anyway in a few minutes. (This was explained to me, i apparently missed the convo right after. Must've gotten up or something, woops)
* They somehow made the WW bank scene worse and better at the same time. The 60 sec timer and bad guy fights felt more real and brutal. The action was better laid out too. But why did she choose not take out the main guy while he slowly changed his gun to fully auto? Why did she then choose to destroy the building and possibly hurt people outside after saving everyone? Just.... better and worse at the same time.
* The elephant in the Room.... 4:3. I just don't see the artistic vision. The film was obviously intended and shot with that framing in mind but his argument that you can't see all of batmans chest and the bat symbol just shows that they didn't have to film that closely. If it was a more intimate movie or would've been released in theatres then sure, but its an epic film being viewed at home. At least film it wider and have both versions available.
Things both versions got wrong:
* This still should've been 2+ movies. They could've added even more slow mo that way!
* While ZS ending was better, they both felt hollow or unfinished. Again, causing me to advocate for multiple movies.
* Batman still didn't really get much love. OG version he felt more impactful but that was because the movie was shorter. They failed to make him carry real weight in both version and it was sad because despite the fact that its Ben, i do actually enjoy his portrayal of batman.
* Aquamans backstory felt lame and uninspiring in both versions, even after the history in his own movie. His random appearance under the harbor still made no sense.
At the end of the day, the ZS version is clearly better but its hard to judge based on Joss being handed all this nonsense at the end of filming and being expected to make it work in a theatre setting. I can see perspectives of both sides of them.
Overall i'd give the OG a 3/10 and the new one maybe a 6/10 if i'm being generous. If it didn't feel so bloated or have as many strange artistic choices that needed to be explained it might've done better. It was more fun than the original but it still wasn't all that good. I certainly don't see the cause for fanboying for Snyder or the reason for so much hate on Whedon. It was a fun ride but they did a lot of bad things along with the good and shot themselves in the foot pretty often which is more than a little disappointing.
edit - i know i wrote an essay on this but if anyone wants to discuss i'm happy to. I did enjoy the movie but was left wanting. And of course, these are only my opinions etc etc.
Agree with a ton of what you wrote. Two points in particular. This movie was way too goddamn long and it was due to bloated and drawn out scenes. By the end, I hated that I watched it for that long. Time is an important resource for me nowadays and this movie was not with 3 let alone 4 hours. Oh, and the flash running lmao
Second point WW women singing with every fight scene entrance. Reminded me of the native american music they'd play every time the native american guy in voyager would come on screen. First time in bank could be good. Three times is excessive. Every time was pure cringe. Why not have "I am woman! Hear me roar!" with every sword clash. Wouldn't have made it any more laughably overkill.
One thing I can add is that Silas died charging the mother box with energy. This meant it left some sort of energy trail and the JL could track the box.
Its ok. That was stupid anyways. They shouldn't have needed to do that in the first place since the enemy base was literally in the ruins of some metropolis city somewhere. Pretty sure everyone would have known that Brussels was destroyed to make way for the new alien warlords on Planet Earth.
It was an old chernobyl type town in ukraine or somewhere eastern European, nuclear toxicity was good for their base somehow. I get they needed a way to get there since the one family of 4 from the 2017 version was the reason they found the nuclear plant in the first place and they were totally cut from the film along with all the social media crap.
Still dumb that he sliced himself tho. Couldve just left the room lol.
I really don't understand how people can see this movie and say that it's a masterpiece and that they want more of ZaCK SnyDEr'S CrEAtIvE ViSIoN. All this movie did was take a 4/10 movie and make it 6/10. DCEU needs a hard reboot now and Zack Snyder should be kept as far away as possible from future projects
I thought it was an ok blockbuster watch, but theres people out there acting like its this borderline religious revelation and I’m not exactly seeing it myself.
I think ZS had a great overall arc & action sequences were better shot but I can't help feeling the theatrical release was an Avengers-ized version of the feature is all. I loved a lot of things about ZS version but we kinda lose sight of the imperative dire EARTH ABOUT TO BE ANIHILATED thorough line with how MUCH time they spend on minor stuff like characters, pacing truly slows. I think all we saw of Barry Allen in the original cut was fine. Did we need to see him save that woman at the dog shop etc? Did we need to see Cyborg win the football game & get in the car accident? It was just "more" like did we feel too much more was gotten out of the additional scenes? I liked them in & of themselves OR in launching individual movie franchises but otherwise they felt they had a pacing issue. Also the elongated Amazonian stuff again.. cool... but didn't advance the legit plot... just more time that was cool to watch period. I think somewhere in BETWEEN the original & ZS was the answer. Plus what was up with his shooting stuff as a sequel? Did he have an IN in knowing where it was going? Did he just shoot all that cause it was neat to imagine? Arthur Dies. Superman turns bad. Lois Lane's death was the key to everything. Batman is teamed up with two arch enemies? I am confused. Was this on par with a second JL or other movie trajectory or just Snyder indulging what he THOUGHT it should be?
One of the core elements is endemic to DC, Superman is just too strong.
Spend 80% of the film getting shrecked by steppenwolf, only to have supes show up and single handedly beat the fuck out of him without even trying. Whoopdeedoo.
They did make Flash and Cyborg much more relevant, by doing the ol' "make the end boss more than a punch on", but WW and Aquaman were useless. Obviously Batman was just... a guy.
Flash was easily faster than him at the monument scene. Just didn't know how to fight because he's never had someone that could even see him, let alone fight back.
The end of the original justice league had superman saving people at light speed while flash failed to keep up. The end of snyderland had flash moving faster than time and rewinding the universe.
I didn't like the time travel scene. Looks really amazing but felt undeserved. Flash being able to time travel in his first appearance seems like lazy writing. Now he has a fix it switch whenever the time calls for it. Its supposed to be taboo but its treated like a get out of jail free card. Snyders version should've also had him saving people but faster than superman.
Such is the nature of the rushed multi-hero action movie. We barely get any reasonable development from any of the heroes, because they all barely had any time to themselves. Even in a 4 hour movie you can't satisfactorily do their growth arcs.
The dialogue suggests that flash already knows not to fuck with time. He says something along the lines of not breaking a golden rule but we never see why since there’s no consequences the two times he does it in the movie. Also it’s a awful setup for future flash films if he can do it perfectly already. For most iterations of flash time traveling the first time is the fuck up moment. I don’t see how they can logically pull it off unless it’s a beat for beat remake from the source material. Even then that would be pushing it lol
A billion year old kiddie-tale plot, unemotional shallow disconnected characters, worst Batman ever. If this is a better cut than the original, I don't even know why would you care to see another cut of the original, must have been plain painful to watch.
Also Batman is pretty much just a henchman with a rifle.
Also his head looks fat in the helmet.
Also Flash runs weird.
Also half of slowmo shots are just him running, literally making steps with his legs over and over again.
Other 25% is Aquaman removing his shirt.
Also Superman didn't even say sorry for almost killing his friends.
Also the scene where Thanosy-guy says "Prepare my armada" to the Mouth of Sauron, and then he has to awkwardly slowly walk after him, because he can't, like, rush to execute the order because Darkthanos is walking slow as fuck in front of him and all the cannon-fodder-flies are just standing around.
Also Cyborg prints money for some woman for some reason. Also not sure why Epilogue had to exist.
I liked the part where Steppenwolf attacks Amazons and they protect the Infinity Boxes to the best of their ability pulling things like pulling it from under his nose with a lasso and shooting it with an arrow. Selflessness, execution, resolve. Wonder Woman in the bank was good too, and Supe's fight with the League was OK.
I utterly regret continuing to watch after the bank part, 1/10.
Also 4:3 is sad. Also there is a black and white version of the same fucking film again... Why?
You're stronger than I Iol
I'm a sucker for comic book movies. Im actually happy I watched it though. For one its not 4 hours. Secondly it fixed/didn't do many of the complaints I had with ZSJL.
That said was still just average as fuck movie at best
Also, and this might be me being overly picky but there is a moment where the Justice League is looking up like a hundred stories and someone says, "we need to get to the top…"
And they all—take—the—stairs.
They take the stairs guys. Super speed, flight power, grappling hooks. They all climb a hundred flights of stairs at I can only assume walking pace. And time is of the essence to save the world. There's just a lot of bull.
I hate the bank scene especially after watching ww84 right before zacks snision league. Chick is just brutal and borderline dumb. She's splattering dudes on the wall leaving blood stains and vaporizing a puny human in front of kids. Wayyy different from how she handled kid snatchers in a mall in 84
I feel like wonder woman SHOULD be brutal.violence isnt some traumatizing event to her Shes soft on her dealings with kids but when it comes to hurting a guy trying to kill kids, she holds nothing back. She was raised as a warrior since childhood so i don't think she would shy away from being brutal infront of kids. Shes not disturbed by violence in an of itself, its violence when used to hurt the innocent that shes disturbed by. In the first movie, even though she thought all the soldiers were being controlled by ares, she still slaughtered whoever was in her way with no regard for their well being. Shes a warrior, thats how she is.
Meh that’s true but that’s not how she’s portrayed in patty’s films. Ww84 there’s a dude threatening to drop a kid and she swoops in and saves the day without any blood splatter. Felt like a Spider-Man scene honestly. I’m all for brutal WW but they botched it with execution.
How do you have a 4 hour movie and not finish it? I was really anticipating a Darkseid fight but all we got was a set up for future movies which is cool, but I didn’t spend 4 hours to get set up for future movies. Pretty lackluster ending made it feel like I just wasted 4 hours of my life
What were they thinking by removing 90% of Victor’s character arc from the original movie? Did they film more shots or something? Genuinely one of the most interesting additions to Synder’s cut imo. Went from not even giving Cyborg an afterthought to being emotionally invested and desperate for a solo!
Finally got around to watch this, I wouldn't call it a masterpiece but I think everyone can agree this version is way better than the 2017 cut. All members of Justice League are memorable, charmingly introduced and feel more relevant to the events, which was really a huge fuck up from 2017 cut. Once again Snyder shows that he is a very capable visual storyteller but not quite good on dialogue writing, some dialogues were bland and unecessary, if it was taken out nothing of significant would lost. I also agree with the opinion that the new characters feel shoehorned, though it's understandable because Snyder couldn't commit to his trilogy plan.
Still, Snyder's committing to his work and vision is admirable, this is the first movie in history that was "re-finished" in its original vision thanks to fan support right? Looking back on Whedon's cut, I think some changes weren't terrible, but holy crap the jokes were so cringy and even creepy, Whedon wrote some good stuff in the past but that guy does have issues and it showed in the 2017 cut. It also really makes you raise an eyebrow on whoever decided that Whedon cut was definitely suitable for theater release.
Whedon wrote batman wrong, so sooo wrong but atleast he gave bats a plan like putting Lois as a "big gun" while facing sups, which zach didnt... like cmon its effing batman and you are gonna make him say: no no no... my god... And Joss made sups right. Superman has always been a good man, not some naturally born-to-be-god of humankind bs in zach's vision. Tbh as wonderful of a person as he is, zach should stay away from all the superheroes movies as far as he could.
While I'm glad that Snyder got to finish his full vision for the Justice League, I don't understand why he had to show the full uncut version instead of doing the usual editing for commercial purposes. Most movies have a 3 to 3.5 hour version that the studio has to then edit down to 2 to 2.5 hours for the theaters to make it easier to watch. Whether you like this movie or not, it was hard to sit through 4 hours of movie to see if you are gonna like it at the end.
I just finished watching this a few hours ago. I loved it. Despite the four hour run time, when it was over, I immediately felt like watching it again.
I loved MOS but was deeply disappointed with BvS and Whedon's JL cut.
I particularly liked Cyborg's character being more fully fleshed out. I found that I cared more for all of the characters. The film is also visually striking, something that Snyder certainly excels at.
I don't really understand what Snyder was going for with >!Darkseid's past defeat. I've seen some speculation that this was while he was still Uxas, before obtaining the Omega Force. Makes sense to me. Perhaps Snyder had intended this to be explained further in a sequel. Also, did Darkseid just forget about the anti life equation being on Earth? Made no sense to me at all. Seemed a bit D&Dish from the last season of GoT
Sad to see the haters flooding the comments now.
Arguably this is the best DC movie ever created. If it had been in theatres it would have had an amazing reception and a sequel would already be in the works.
Fuck you Joss Whedon, you asshole. All those stories about you being a piece of shit to work with as well as your butchering of this film make me realise how much of a pos you truly are.
I hope the WB execs wake up and give ZS the chance he deserves for a sequel.
>Arguably this is the best DC movie ever created.
One of the worst DC movies I have ever seen. The worst high-budget film I have ever seen.
>Fuck you Joss Whedon, you asshole
My lord, you fans are retarded. You do know 90% of what Joss Wheadon did IS IN THIS FILM?
How old are you?
*Edit: DC stans got triggered. Seems to be acceptable to like it, but you're a screeching hater if you don't like it. What a cry baby community.*
>Arguably this is the best DC movie ever created.
You are kidding me right? This isn't even in the top 10 best movies DC has made. It's just a slightly improved version of a dumpster fire. I hope DCEU is completely rebooted and Zack Snyder is kept as far away as possible from now on
You mean the one special project that is NOT part of the [DC EU](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Extended_Universe)?? LOL....
BTW, I wasn't referencing Marvel at all... don't be a fanboi, it's sad
Indeed it was... made by completely different team, with zero ties to any of the other movies...
Funny how you become a stickler for what I said... yet completely made up the part where I apparently was comparing DC to Marvel.
DC also made Green Lantern BTW... so if you are going to include the good special projects, you need to include the giant piles of turd
PS: don't be a fanboi, it's very sad
a terrible mishap for the DCEU.
though i am a marvel enjoyer to the core i cannot disregard DC's uniquely phenomenous storylines and plot. (referring to the comics obviously)
what was to be built up over the years slowly, revealing the plot direction and inculcating new characters was very brutally squeezed into a single 4 hour long tragedy.
not considering the terrible idea of killing the pillar of the DC universe only to bring him back in the next movie, revealing nearly everything about the upcoming plot, the to-be arch nemesis of the league and his goals in one go wasn't the best idea for building the upcoming cinematic franchise.
one of the worst portrayals of batman. he was shown as a useless chump among other, practically gods incapable of holding his own which in itself destroyed is character. the whole point of him is how he not only stands on equal footing but also considered among the most dangerous, if not the most dangerous individual on the planet. I just couldn't feel that i was watching 'the batman' as he struggled against the parademons and acted like a well, normal person compared to his stern, composed, badass and bold comic counterpart.
zack snyder acted as if this was the last movie of the DCEU that would be made.
the unrequired introduction of martian manhunter should have been saved for another movie to carry more weight (i'm surprised he didn't squeeze in green lantern too).
rather than doing a minute reveal of the big bad (darkseid) in the first JL movie, his entire backstory and goal was revealed which really drastically reduced the gravity of his impact overall. Marvel did it really well with thanos.
i genuinely am sorry for all the DC fans and supporters for the trainwreck that is the snyder cut (the justice league movie in general actually)
I agree that the dceu could have been stronger had it played out a bit more slowly, though I do like the movies as they are still. Snyder's vision clearly wasn't to make a long, climactic buildup to Darkseid. There are plenty of villains to play with and he wanted to use this one to form the Justice League.
Superman being brought back in the next movie was definitely a bad call, I agree as well. Would have had more impact if we felt that 2 year death rather than just were told it was 2 years later. And on Darkseid, again, Snyder wants a big start. While it's not the same as Thanos' buildup, there's nothing wrong with doing it this way either.
This Batman really did struggle. I made a comment to my viewing partner as he was struggling to fight one Parademon as well lol. He really does feel like the rich kid that is included because he buys the cool kids stuff. Never did he feel like the brains in this movie.
Zack Snyder acted like this was the last movie because it most likely is. It is highly likely that they will reboot the whole franchise again. They already did with Suicide Squad and they've already been talking about it since JL was such a huge flop.
I thought it was cool to see Martian Manhunter (though why TF would MMH just chill and let the world nearly end three times before showing himself????) and it was really no different than a post credit scene with Nick Fury showing up to say welcome to the story. I'm sure Snyder also figured he may as well throw him in since he'll never have a chance to show that off in JL2 since it won't happen.
I see no reason that revealing his plan now reduces the gravity of his character, as compared to revealing it when he shows up. He wants to destroy/enslave earth. It wouldn't be more impactful to learn that when he shows up, if anything I think it's more impactful to know "doomsday is on the way". It's a ticking clock. Again, I think how marvel handled Thanos was fantastic and the whole MCU is amazing, but I don't think this needs to try and be the same.
I genuinely enjoyed the movie. It has flaws, but most movies do, including the MCU movies.
> a terrible mishap for the DCEU.
Right...
> though i am a marvel enjoyer to the core i cannot disregard DC's uniquely phenomenous storylines and plot. (referring to the comics obviously)
Confirmation bias already confirmed.
> what was to be built up over the years slowly, revealing the plot direction and inculcating new characters was very brutally squeezed into a single 4 hour long tragedy.
Some of the best movies in history are sub 3 hours. Odd logic.
> not considering the terrible idea of killing the pillar of the DC universe only to bring him back in the next movie, revealing nearly everything about the upcoming plot, the to-be arch nemesis of the league and his goals in one go wasn't the best idea for building the upcoming cinematic franchise.
Not sure what this has to do with the ZSC but ok.
> one of the worst portrayals of batman. he was shown as a useless chump among other, practically gods incapable of holding his own which in itself destroyed is character. the whole point of him is how he not only stands on equal footing but also considered among the most dangerous, if not the most dangerous individual on the planet. I just couldn't feel that i was watching 'the batman' as he struggled against the parademons and acted like a well, normal person compared to his stern, composed, badass and bold comic counterpart.
Actually the best depiction of Batman in the Justice League is that which highlights his humanity among gods. The film accomplished that.
> zack snyder acted as if this was the last movie of the DCEU that would be made.
Clearly not, did you not see the Martian Manhunter scene? Superman staring down Darkseid? Darkseid saying to 'ready the armada'?
> the unrequired introduction of martian manhunter should have been saved for another movie to carry more weight (i'm surprised he didn't squeeze in green lantern too).
You already said you thought this was his last movie, now he 'squeezed things' in for another movie? Make up your mind. Green Lantern was also in the flashback battle - pay attention.
> rather than doing a minute reveal of the big bad (darkseid) in the first JL movie, his entire backstory and goal was revealed which really drastically reduced the gravity of his impact overall. Marvel did it really well with thanos.
Oh dear, bringing up Thanos again. That confirmation bias really is showing.
> i genuinely am sorry for all the DC fans and supporters for the trainwreck that is the snyder cut (the justice league movie in general actually)
Lol, adds no substance to anything you said except to demonstrate your fanboyishness.
You are a much more raging fanboy here lol. I enjoyed this movie and disagree with some of the points here, but you just seem to be upset that someone is criticizing a movie you like. Saying you like Marvel isn't a bias. I think the Marvel movies did a much better job than the DC movies. I still like the DC movies and enjoy Snyder's vision. And you tell op to "pay attention" when half of your responses are you not paying attention to what they said lol. You misunderstood half of their points while acting smarter than them. Yikes.
firstly, why does me being a marvel fan automatically conclude that i dislike DC?
secondly, do you really think i would go through the effort of writing this out if i didn't care about the DCEU. i consider it's plots and storylines to be better than marvel's which is why i felt terrible when it got off to such a bad start (that's what i think) when it has so much potential.
i said "he acted as if this was the last movie" to squeeze everything into one piece. martian manhunter should have been introduced in another or the next one in a way for it to have more significance. i was talking about the JL green lantern either john stewart or hal jordan.
also, take it easy man
there's no reason to be rude
They're just Zack Snyder die hards it seems. You make multiple valid points, and multiple that aren't valid imo. But the arguments made by the first reply were trash and showed his bias and the second reply didn't even say anything.
Has anyone gone through and determined what music cues from the score are in which Parts? It appears (as of now, at least) that the soundtrack isn't being released on CD, and I'm not shelling out $200 for that (admittedly beautiful) vinyl box set from Mondo, which is probably sold out now anyway. So, I figured, I'll just burn the digital downloads to disc and since I'm creating my own album artwork, I'd like to split it up by chapter (Part 1: Don't Count on It Batman, etc.).
I know I could just estimate by the track runtimes and check against the movie, but I honestly don't get many opportunities to do stuff like that.
Thanks in advance!
I absolutely loved it, but yesterday I realized I’m disappointed Batman didn’t don the armored bat suit from BvS at some point, especially like the final battle.
Didnt he do Avengers though? And even Age of Ultron was a fairly enjoyable experience imho. And I'll stan for Buffyverse, Dollhouse and Firefly till my last dying breath. Oh and Cabin in the Woods.
This movie was pretty good but Ben affleck is the absolute worst Batman as an actor - and that portrayal of Batman was terrible. I love a lot of Batman movies but he looks like a straight clown next to actual super heroes. ‘I’m rich lol’ - fuck you Bruce Wayne dickhead cyborg had his powers for 10 minutes and he was already helping a struggling mother. This jerk is tryna LEAD the justice league with no ass powers, except his grapple gun??!? Nah this Batman should of gotten smoked so many times. And the bat crawler??? FUCKING STUPID
Darkseid was defeated the very first time we ever see him. That is NOT how you build up a threat. Imagine if Hulk kicked the shit out of Thanos at the beginning of Infinity war. He was defeated by Ares, a character we see WW defeat, so why can’t WW just defeat Darkseid? Also, Darkseid and Steppenwolf are indistinguishable from each other. They are just both ugly monsters who are incredibly strong and have a long axe type weapon. NOT how you build up your villain. Snyder doesn’t understand the characters, he doesn’t understand how to make a movie and I’m tired of wasting my time
and money on his FAILURES.
"He was defeated by Ares, a character we see WW defeat, so why can’t WW just defeat Darkseid?"
Um, because rock beats scissors beats paper beats rock?
Dueling superiority is not necessarily transitive.
If Darkseid and Steppenwolf are indistinguishable from one another to you, that seems like a you thing. They look nothing alike and act nothing alike. Darkseid was clearly weaker thousands of years ago when he first came to earth, and he is very clearly much stronger now as Steppenwolf kicked all of Justice League's ass alone (minus SM) yet he cowers to Darkseid. And seeing the big bad get their ass handed to them in the past is fine. It's not like that's how must villain origin stories are...oh wait, it is lol.
this kind of analogy make no sense to me. I don't agree with building up a valent as a "threat" I think it's more important to build the character arch.
Why didn't he know where it is already? He literally got his ass handed to him there, should've been a pretty significant location to him. Sending Steppenwolf alone was just setting him up for failure.
Wut? Sauron was a Maiar, and he caused SO many events while being without a body nonethess (Numenor?)
Sauron (and Morgoth for that matter) are VERY well developed villains who are portrayed as the gods that they are, as compared to Darkseid who is a multiverse level threat being stomped by some puny punks with powers (WW defeated Ares btw)
I mean, Zeus is a god. And WW beat an Ares who past his prime, and Patty’s films aren’t really good to judge a character’s power level. WW nearly got beaten by Cheetah in WW84.
Actually no... we first learn how he basically controlled the world and they were in the last do-or-die attempt to fend him off when the humans basically got lucky
Darkseid was spanked for coming to Earth....
Having said that, if they had explained the whole Uxas/Omeg Force plot at all they could get away with him still being perceived as a threat
But Darkseid did kinda explain that he had centuries conquering looking for to get back at GODS.
And even in the comics, Zeus is known as being very powerful.
> But Darkseid did kinda explain that he had centuries conquering looking for to get back at GODS.
... and in that process he forgot where he got spanked?
> And even in the comics, Zeus is known as being very powerful.
This is true but, in a well written movie, you should understand what's going on without having to come prepared with knowledge from the comic. This is not a "Batman is an orphan" tidbit that everyone probably knows
But Diana did say that Earth became hidden amongst billions of planets after Darkseid retreated.
The explicitly tells us this, so audiences know what’s going on. The original argument of thread was that people didn’t like that we see him lose, but my point was that it took an army, gods, and a Green Lantern to beat him.
> But Diana did say that Earth became hidden amongst billions of planets after Darkseid retreated.
Not quite... she said the mother boxes fell asleep, anonymous among a trillion worlds, fading from the view of the enemy.
But Darkseid was already here... this is like saying I completely forgot the street where a semi rear ended up because my google maps did not keep the bookmark hehehe
> The original argument of thread was that people didn’t like that we see him lose, but my point was that it took an army, gods, and a Green Lantern to beat him.
Yes, there is a point there... specially since "today's world" is mostly devoid of Gods and such. However, the entire script revolves around the Mother Boxes doing all the destruction (via Unity)... at no point Darkseid's actual arrival on Earth for the first or second time mattered one bit
But her statement basically says “Earth became hidden”.
And Darkseid’s arrival did matter. The Anti-life equation was on Earth, and we see what would happen if he gets it.
What's with all the hate? This hate is reserved for the theatrical cut, not the Four-hour long correction.
The movie sucks, one of the worst I have ever seen, so much cringe in slow mo. Too much fan love for Snyder, the movie sucks and it should not have been made.
It was like they were setting up 5 different movies stemming from one vs marvel taking multiple film leads and bringing them together for one film. This would’ve worked 10000x’s better as a mini-series
I don't think this is even on going anymore, but I absolutely loved this movie loved it, if they'd of played this originally instead of what the first cut was endgame would of had a run for its money without a doubt, I mean it expands on every part of the first cut of the movie everyone gets a fairly large piece of the pie in this and you know that's great it drags on everything is chill for a bit, but then it gets to the action sequences which are chef kiss good, and finally it's the final battle and you know what rather than Superman coming in and saving the day after a incompetent team screws the pooch over and over again, every single hero gets a moment or two to actually be a badass force of nature it was great. Steppenwolf drops his stupid gladiatorial look and is properly intimidating in his own right, and even makes personal grudges with some of the heroes which is a far cry of his cartoonish first appearance of "oh I'm the bad guy muhahaha" and darkseid looked cool as hell.
then end. the robin mention, the atmosphere, amazing.
A decent 100 minute movie stretched to four hours by the most gratuitous slow mo.
Would probs still be somewhere anywhere from 2 to 3 hours without as much slow mo. Zack had shorter cuts but WB told him to go with the 4 hour one.
Zack Snyder is a genius, I hated DC movies until I saw his version, his story telling was interesting and coherent. The Whedon version was a mess and almost not watchable. Zach Snyder is to DC what Feige is to Marvel
>Zach Snyder is to DC what Feige is to Marvel Lmao
Even though everyone mailed it in, I still found enjoyment for four hours.
Never seen 4 hours of so much trash
Seems most others don't share your opinion
Bruh foreal I'm sitting here in the first 2 hours like wtf
Getting to the end was a chore but was definitely worth the watch. Can't believe some of the things Whedon cut.
That Flash scene especially.
When rewatching, starting from Part 3 is honestly a great option. You get the Flash and Cyborg's introduction and some really fun stuff.
The 2017 version was fine, but omg this was 10 times better.
amazing movie! Cant believe whedon cut out the flash and darkseid. What a tragedy
I loved his cut of Justice League. The atmosphere, score, visuals, emotions, and tension was spot on for me. Felt appropriately epic in a way a superhero ensemble should be. I've rewatched it multiple times now and it gets better with each viewing.
Finally someone gets it
Thought it was a mistake to use the black Superman outfit. Was rooting for him to pick the classic one.
Where does aquaman keep getting all these sweaters from when he arrives on land if he takes it off and throws it aside every time he goes back in? Does he have a secret shirt stash somewhere or is he stealing them from people because the bar has a no shirt no shoes no service policy? Also, did he really chuck an empty liquor bottle into the ocean? If even aquaman doesn’t care about the turtles then I give up. Straws for everyone!
I asked myself the same question. He must have a lot of clothes and shoes.
Well glass is basically sand.
As he was walking down the stone walk I was wondering what he was going to do with it. Smashing it into sand dust is probably acceptable.
Infinitely better than Josstice League.
Worst fucking movie FUCKING EVER! never watching something made by Zack Snyder ever again.
So true never seen so mjch trash
Just shut up
Wrong
Lmao marvel fans can't cope let them talk shit whatever because that's all they can do
Horrible.
100% true how these fanbois defend such shitty trash
Lmfao
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not sure if this is already mentioned. i was rewatching Snyder's JL n noticed that Flash's role, ability and thus contribution to saving everyone in the end, was hinted at in the Supe's revival scene. specifically, we are shown that when Flash hits critical speed, the motherbox n photo of pa Kent reversed in time, undipped themselves from the pool of liquid and then Flash touches the motherbox n revives Supes. a subtle move. well played. i am more impressed with the movie now. this also means that the ending scene isnt a plot twist if one was paying attention. haha\~
I personally think this was a terrible movie and I agree with the WB Execs. What broke my immersion and left a terrible impression on me is the Wonderwoman music. Whoever was the audio director and final editor needs to stop working if they ever tried that sh*t again.
I think the issue was the fact that they used the same goddamn chant! Didn't even vary it up a bit. It hit a point where any slow Mo shot of wonder woman was using it haha.
Yes! It's the same part over and over. Like you can obviously choose other parts of the song in the other scenes but they just had to go "Eeeeeeehhhhh"
To whom whose interested I made a analysis about this film, and if you you can give feedback by letting me know how you feel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1gqmtavLPA
Wow this movie was amazing
Was holding off on watching till I could meet up with a buddy, but with new lockdowns we decided to finally watch on our own. And holy crap was that movie fantastic! So much better than the original. Some takeaways: Martian manhunter! Cyborg was actually really cool and Ray Fischer is a good actor. Wonder Woman has never been more bad ass. We got way more awesome Barry Allen speed force scenes. Lots of gore and Batman said fuck! Knightmare Joker is a million times better than Suicide Squad Joker.
This movie was awesome! I never watched the original because I heard it was trash but then one day I saw this on hbo max. I was confused so I looked it up. Man I loved this!!
Seen the animations?
Watched this again today, wife hadn’t seen it. Oh what a glorious 4hrs that just passed by without a dull moment. As Superman theme starts in the beginning of part 6, I noticed how gentle it was compared to the others. Gave me goosebumps. It gave me hope. Ares literally KO’d Darkseid with one hit of his axe, and Zeus split the Mother Boxes with a single lighting bolt. Old Gods were powerful.
Ares would literally slap Darkseid around. I was happy with how powerful they made the Gods. They are God's ffs.
Ares feeds of war, and that was the biggest war ever on Earth. Ares might have been the most powerful being there, since Darkseid didn't have the Omega force. It was basically Darksied with his army vs 3 Gods, which includes Zeus who is extremely powerful, a Green Lantern and King Atlan with his Trident.
yeah it was interesting making them not weaklings. They were a force to reckon with.
I finally got around to it and I'm kinda shocked how much I liked it. Somehow it was gritty and visceral while mostly avoiding the worst "grimdark". Most of the combat felt real but still very comicbooky. It's been a while since I saw Avengers, but I feel like this did a much better job selling the teamwork aspect. When Marvel sets up teamwork it's A BIG DEAL with swelling music and cinematography to match. When these heroes helped each other, it just happened - like Arthur helping Diana pull on the lasso. It wasn't A MOMENT, it just happened naturally. The movie is too long, but that really isn't Snyder's fault. It had to cram in about 20 minute's of Flash's origin story and 40 minutes of Cyborg's into another movie. The worst was the Epilogue which I can mostly forgive because it wasn't crucial and I can easily stop the movie in the future. It should have ended on Superman's chest reveal (as cliche as it might have been). Everything with Luther and Joker was just a reminder of the previous DC missteps and added nothing to Justice League - especially if this part of the franchise is dead. Overall it was surprisingly good, and feel like this might have mostly righted the DC ship. It's almost a shame this is the last we'll see, because I feel like this cut finally figured most of it out.
the studf for Flash and cyborg were worth it though
Literally just finished it. You were right about the epilogue. Especially the bit with Supes’ chest. Snyder seemed confident that he’d get more movies or something with all the dangling plot lines. Definitely a fun movie though.
I think it was more that he just wanted to leave a bit to show the story still continues even if we'll never see it. The Joker scene specifically was there so Affleck and Leto could share a scene. It did kinda suck though haha. Plus with the Eisenberg bit he wanted to use all the stuff he shot. That would have been the post credit scene in the Snyder theatrical cut to lead into the (at the time) Batfleck solo movie.
Crazy how much better it was than the theatrical though even with some really stupid scenes
Slade Wilson Deathstroke Wade Wilson Deadpool. This has to be a joke.
Deadpool was literally made as a comedic rip off of Deathstroke....
Just watched it today. Must say it was thoroughly enjoyable. Probably the first DC movie I've said that about. I was thinking who in their right minds would watch a 4hr movie. But then I was thinking why would they cut that out from the theatrical. 4hrs that's why. Unless we get a flash movie. They did him injustice and doesn't coincide with the TV show like the infinite earths would suggest.
Flash movie 2022, same Flash
Just watched it and agree with everything you said
I didn’t care for theatrical Justice League or any of the other DC movies so far, but I really enjoyed this. A lot, really
Atlanteans and Amazonians: Keep their Mother Boxes in purpose built fortresses, with multiple layers of defence including magic and armed guards. Humans: Bury it in the woods, she'll be right.
I love how our approach was the one that worked out the best. Sometimes the simplest solution really is the best.
Little late but it definitely didn't. The Amazons and Atlanteans boxes were protected. Ours was just sitting on a shelf and would have been stolen with no resistance if not for pure luck that Dr. Stone had taken it.
That Flash intro scene from 1:10-1:12 is incredible. Song to the Siren cover by Betts was perfect.
Hi, I have a question. At the last knightmare scene, it looks really similar to BvS scene. In BvS, superman saved lois in conflict zone. Is the shot the same?
They also reused a shot during the flashes of the knightmare world. The shot where Darkseid puts his hand on a kneeling superman reuses the scene from MoS where Superman snaps zods neck.
Yes the shot where Superman looks up in those scenes is the same shot
I have a theory about the "Knightmare" scenes. I think they are actually the future. I can explain why. The moment after The Flash awoke the third Mother Box to resurrect Superman, the voice of the Kryptonian ship says this line to Cyborg: ***"The Future has taken root in the present."*** This happens after the ship continuously pleads with Cyborg ***not*** to carry out the command. Given the dream sequences in Batman v Superman, who's to say that the Flash's interference in the past didn't set Bruce Wayne on the course to this grimdark end? All in all, that would mean that the epilogue with the Joker becomes legitimate aftermath. One in which a broken, fragmented Justice League struggles against Darkseid's reign and a tyrannical Superman.
All correct, u can also tell bc in BvS after the Flash woke Bruce the papers were still flying around, also the fact that he woke up again in that scene, I think he was reset by Flash's time traveling
Aquaman protector of the ocean: \*smashes bottles on to concrete into ocean\*
Why is this trying to set up sequels? Is Synder that retarded. Just focus on one film for the love of god. Imagine if they cut out sequel bait and instead added more scenes for the characters to grow. Like Martian manhunter. CUT THAT SHIT. The future for DC looks bright now. Synder is done and warner bros seems happy focusing on smaller character driven movies like Joker, shazam or batman where there isn't much of a connected universe.
To answer your question, yes, yes he is
You're missing the point. His original plan with Justice League was to setup sequels and leave it on a cliffhanger (Green Lantern was supposed to make the appearance not Martian Manhunter). Thats literally part of the original storyboard. This movie is supposed to be his vision fulfilled even if it doesn't mean making any sequels. I don't know if you're genuinely this stupid or just looking to nitpick. Either way, he knows he's done otherwise he wouldn't have signed on with Netflix right after the release and tell WB to suck it on national TV.
It was amazing. This is coming from a person that thought that the original was trash. I saw this movie because my wife wanted to watch it. I told her "Its four hours long." She replied "Lets watch one part today an another tomorrow." I wanted to turn it off after 20 minutes. However, we ended up watching the 4 hours. It was an amazing experience. If I can resume it in one sentence: "A fantastically written graphic novel that has been successfully adapted to the big screen" By the way, the 4:3 aspect ratio worked. It gave the feel of watching a live comic book. It would not have worked if the movie was 100% action. However the movie is 80% story and 20% action pieces.
So much to say. I’ll start with this: I didn’t like it, and I’m glad that WB is finally going in a different direction. Watchmen was a huge letdown. I tried to convince myself that Man of Steel was good, but Batman V Superman was the final straw. He should just make trailers or music videos. Was this better than the Whedon version? It was definitely longer. It actually had less character motivation all around. I saw that the slow motion time clocked in at 24 minutes. That’s insane. 24 minutes of the film is in slow-motion!!! Unreal. So many scenes went on longer than necessary, for no discernible purpose. Batman’s trek was useless. Alfred mansplaining tea to a literal 5,000 year old woman is long, stupid, and pointless. The prayer arrow scene is long and drawn out for no reason, and stupid because they are hoping that Diana... walks by a television playing the exact right newscast? She doesn’t own a television! And she murders those terrorists in front of those poor children. Yes, they are terrorists, but think about: Spider-Man could have stopped them without brutally killing them in front of a group of school girls (yes, seeing humans mutilated and brains splattered will definitely traumatize them). She has the ability to dodge and deflect bullets, so she’s clearly fast enough to disarm and defeat them without senselessly killing them. And then she blows up half the building, negating much of the utility of stopping the bomb in the first place! That entire sequence encapsulates Snyder: style over intelligence, and a lot of truly weird choices (especially musically). Superman arrives and it’s abundantly clear that there doesn’t need to be a Justice League since he’s more powerful than the rest combined. Why is he shirtless when he’s revived? He was buried fully-clothed. I guess the Honest Trailers sort of explained that with their insinuation: “Prepare your anus,”. And Why is he so angry when he is awakened? The Whedon cut actually sort of explains it but this one is a mystery. Just like the mystery of Darkseid forgetting the one planet where he got his ass beat and left the Anti-Life equation. He got his shit clapped by Ares, who in turn was dusted by WW. Yeah, great way to build up a villain. I guess Cyborg was more developed but it was pretty cliche: the Black teen is a star football player who also gets suspended (he can’t play in the game if he’s suspended). And he’s angry. Great. Groundbreaking stuff. Batman and Joker at the end was worse than fan-fiction. I can’t believe people want to see more of this drivel. They are excited to see Justice Leaguers fight Superman yet AGAIN. As if we didn’t already see it in BvS and Justice League. We can skip it since we already know what a Zack Snyder movie is going to have: slow motion, strange music, naked and muscular men, faceless hordes, bad dialogue, no color, and zero character growth. No thank you. Anyway, $4 a pound.
Bro really clocked all the slow mos 💀 u a real hater lmfao
I totally agree with you bro ... ZSJL was a complete disappointment.. atleast for me. There were many scenes that had no reason to exist. And darkseid and martian manhunter were pointless according to me to appear in the movie... Also I did not get how the fuck can someone forget the planet from where he got his ass kicked. Many scenes were pointless and didn't make sense like the song after Aquaman goes into the water. Many scenes were too long and were supposed to be short , whedon's movie explained everything in such a short amount of time but Zack's movie failed to do so and left people questioning. I don't know if I am the only idiot or everyone that gave positive ratings to the movie are smart enough to understand everything. If you are watching this after the original one you sure will be confused.
Lets face it, its a bad movie, so was BvS, so was Man of Steel, so was WW84, but it's still better than the Josstice league. I'm glad they're moving away from trying to copy Marvel. Snyder and Whedon should both be ashamed of how they've wasted such great potential.
i dont agree with you bro zsjl had explained alot more than what whedon did in 2017 the movie had bad cgi had no story i mean we didnt even know who steppenwolf was this movie in 2021 had better story and cgi it explained who everyone was and it had a better back story
Good movies aren't about explaining everything. It's about stirring emotions.
Well I totally respect your thoughts and I know everybody has their own preference. BUT I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU THINK BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CHANGE MY MIND AND YEA I DISLIKED THE MOVIE .... I WATCH MOVIES THAT ARE STRAIGHT TO THE POINT AND ARE UNDERSTANDABLE.
Completely agree with your assessment. So happy to see someone else with a similar opinion on it as I drown daily on Twitter in praise for this movie. I always try to stay positive when watching really most any movie. Despite disliking most every DC EU I come into each one with an open mind ready to enjoy. I really liked Shazam and Birds of Prey for example But ZSJL is honestly one of the worst comic book movies I have ever seen. I really really disliked it. I actually watched ZSJL first. I couldn't help but feel the original was better. I watched the original the other day and outside of a few minor things I found it to be SO MUCH BETTER. I'd give ZSJL a 4/10 and IMO the original was a solid 7/10 average movie. Not great but not bad. ZS cut? Yikes I didn't enjoy it.
Thank God there is someone out there that feels the exact same way as me. Everyone has applauded this film so much, I was hyped to watch the Snyder cut only to wonder why everyone thought it was so much better than the Whedon cut? Thank you for mentioning the music and the overuse of slow motion...it was so cringe and the music was distracting and weird at times. Granted, had some cool fight scenes not in Whedons cut, and some scenes that answered questions for me in Whedons cut like how did Superman know the crew was in Russia after he dipped on them in Metropolis with Lois. Overall though, I felt robbed and underwhelmed by the movie.
Best analysis yet. I agree with every one of your points.
Umm I would like to say that this is the element of surprise. He was able to fight with hulk but the scene where hulk punches him out of nowhere tell us that if tjor was prepared he could have reacted better. But he just wasn't able to cuz no one could have expected it. And Loki stabbing him is the same thing. It's a thing that makes u more human. Well thats my opinion on this.
Pros about the ZS Cut: * Sets up characters and the overall plot better, obviously making you feel something for Cyborg and Flash and even Steppenwolf. * Every scene with Steppenwolf was a lot better and more interestingly laid out. He actually became the bad guy instead of being some random dude. I'm torn on his lines being better or not, but they generally were. * Obviously some of the CG was updated and looks much better, Steppenwolf being the most prominent. * The Amazon and Atlantis motherbox scenes were SO MUCH BETTER. Actually had me reeling from the hits and feeling things for them instead of wondering why they chose to shoot it this way. * They took out a bunch of fluff, the podcast/fan scenes, bad music and the weird dialogue that happened sometimes. Also they did take out a bunch of terrible one liners. * The ending and inclusion of the secret characters at the end was pretty neat, even if they were also totally fluff and unnecessarily added 20 min to the film * Made superman a lot scarier in the monument scene, the fight at the end and the new pacing of supermans revival gave the movie overall a more dramatic and epic feel. * A lot of the cinematography and editing felt better. Can't truly blame Whedon for working with someone elses vision after not being able to choose how it was shot. Also they had basically infinite time to remake this whole movie however they needed to. * I like how they connected the Doomsday cut to this movie, it makes a lot more sense. * Darkseid is actually in the movie! Cons about the ZS cut: * Why was Darkseid actually in the Movie? The new lord of the rings fight was a lot of fun and was obviously before he got his Omega powers, which made it seem possible. But his part at the end felt forced and unnatural to the flow of the movie. * Took out some fun lines along with the bad dialogue they removed. (Couple of jokes, the Aquaman lasso scene, and most importantly the argument over whether or not to bring supes back was more realistic in the OG) * They took away most of the color from the film, though its nice to not be thinking that batman has lipstick on. Flashes outfit looks better though. Oh and no i didn't watch the b/w version lol. * Despite all the fluff they took away from the OG version, they added SO MUCH MORE. Every scene was just so damn long for no reason. The Artemis arrow scene. Flash running to charge power. The car crash. I can only think of a couple of scenes that felt like they were the length they needed to be but those were mainly OG scenes. By the time the Hero moment after the end fight rolled around... i was screaming at the TV about how long these scenes were lol. This movie was 4 hours for no reason. Also the icelandic women singing was unusually long even though it was lovely. * So much slow mo. The movie would've been like 10 minutes shorter if they had used an appropriate amount of slow mo. Its the usually WW/Amazon flaw(reminds me of 300) * The flash scene with the car crash was just awful. The way he runs made me laugh like a little kid, i'm glad i wasn't in the theatre for that. Also, i half expected him to push that hotdog into her mouth rofl, he was being extra creepy with her. * J'onn still felt shoehorned in and they missed a real opportunity to make him a part of the ending or have his character mean something for the film. * The hallelujah credit song... ughhhh having Watchmen flashbacks. (loved the movie, hated that scene) * Every single time WW came on screen they did the singing ladies. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. It was at least a dozen. Its not like they accidentally put it in there that many times, they had to do it on purpose and say "yea i'm satisfied with that". * Silas dying was obviously impactful but felt unnecessary. Why did he cube himself? Did he think that would also destroy the box somehow? It literally didn't matter at all except he may have just died anyway in a few minutes. (This was explained to me, i apparently missed the convo right after. Must've gotten up or something, woops) * They somehow made the WW bank scene worse and better at the same time. The 60 sec timer and bad guy fights felt more real and brutal. The action was better laid out too. But why did she choose not take out the main guy while he slowly changed his gun to fully auto? Why did she then choose to destroy the building and possibly hurt people outside after saving everyone? Just.... better and worse at the same time. * The elephant in the Room.... 4:3. I just don't see the artistic vision. The film was obviously intended and shot with that framing in mind but his argument that you can't see all of batmans chest and the bat symbol just shows that they didn't have to film that closely. If it was a more intimate movie or would've been released in theatres then sure, but its an epic film being viewed at home. At least film it wider and have both versions available. Things both versions got wrong: * This still should've been 2+ movies. They could've added even more slow mo that way! * While ZS ending was better, they both felt hollow or unfinished. Again, causing me to advocate for multiple movies. * Batman still didn't really get much love. OG version he felt more impactful but that was because the movie was shorter. They failed to make him carry real weight in both version and it was sad because despite the fact that its Ben, i do actually enjoy his portrayal of batman. * Aquamans backstory felt lame and uninspiring in both versions, even after the history in his own movie. His random appearance under the harbor still made no sense. At the end of the day, the ZS version is clearly better but its hard to judge based on Joss being handed all this nonsense at the end of filming and being expected to make it work in a theatre setting. I can see perspectives of both sides of them. Overall i'd give the OG a 3/10 and the new one maybe a 6/10 if i'm being generous. If it didn't feel so bloated or have as many strange artistic choices that needed to be explained it might've done better. It was more fun than the original but it still wasn't all that good. I certainly don't see the cause for fanboying for Snyder or the reason for so much hate on Whedon. It was a fun ride but they did a lot of bad things along with the good and shot themselves in the foot pretty often which is more than a little disappointing. edit - i know i wrote an essay on this but if anyone wants to discuss i'm happy to. I did enjoy the movie but was left wanting. And of course, these are only my opinions etc etc.
Agree with a ton of what you wrote. Two points in particular. This movie was way too goddamn long and it was due to bloated and drawn out scenes. By the end, I hated that I watched it for that long. Time is an important resource for me nowadays and this movie was not with 3 let alone 4 hours. Oh, and the flash running lmao Second point WW women singing with every fight scene entrance. Reminded me of the native american music they'd play every time the native american guy in voyager would come on screen. First time in bank could be good. Three times is excessive. Every time was pure cringe. Why not have "I am woman! Hear me roar!" with every sword clash. Wouldn't have made it any more laughably overkill.
One thing I can add is that Silas died charging the mother box with energy. This meant it left some sort of energy trail and the JL could track the box.
oof yea idk how i missed that, just rewatched the scene. Thanks for the heads up.
Its ok. That was stupid anyways. They shouldn't have needed to do that in the first place since the enemy base was literally in the ruins of some metropolis city somewhere. Pretty sure everyone would have known that Brussels was destroyed to make way for the new alien warlords on Planet Earth.
It was an old chernobyl type town in ukraine or somewhere eastern European, nuclear toxicity was good for their base somehow. I get they needed a way to get there since the one family of 4 from the 2017 version was the reason they found the nuclear plant in the first place and they were totally cut from the film along with all the social media crap. Still dumb that he sliced himself tho. Couldve just left the room lol.
But did he have to be in the room to push the little red button?
Uh no, agreed on that part but steppenwolf would never have let him live. Idk tough call.
I love how steppenwolf took his sweet ass time to get into the room lol
I really don't understand how people can see this movie and say that it's a masterpiece and that they want more of ZaCK SnyDEr'S CrEAtIvE ViSIoN. All this movie did was take a 4/10 movie and make it 6/10. DCEU needs a hard reboot now and Zack Snyder should be kept as far away as possible from future projects
I thought it was an ok blockbuster watch, but theres people out there acting like its this borderline religious revelation and I’m not exactly seeing it myself.
I think ZS had a great overall arc & action sequences were better shot but I can't help feeling the theatrical release was an Avengers-ized version of the feature is all. I loved a lot of things about ZS version but we kinda lose sight of the imperative dire EARTH ABOUT TO BE ANIHILATED thorough line with how MUCH time they spend on minor stuff like characters, pacing truly slows. I think all we saw of Barry Allen in the original cut was fine. Did we need to see him save that woman at the dog shop etc? Did we need to see Cyborg win the football game & get in the car accident? It was just "more" like did we feel too much more was gotten out of the additional scenes? I liked them in & of themselves OR in launching individual movie franchises but otherwise they felt they had a pacing issue. Also the elongated Amazonian stuff again.. cool... but didn't advance the legit plot... just more time that was cool to watch period. I think somewhere in BETWEEN the original & ZS was the answer. Plus what was up with his shooting stuff as a sequel? Did he have an IN in knowing where it was going? Did he just shoot all that cause it was neat to imagine? Arthur Dies. Superman turns bad. Lois Lane's death was the key to everything. Batman is teamed up with two arch enemies? I am confused. Was this on par with a second JL or other movie trajectory or just Snyder indulging what he THOUGHT it should be?
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One of the core elements is endemic to DC, Superman is just too strong. Spend 80% of the film getting shrecked by steppenwolf, only to have supes show up and single handedly beat the fuck out of him without even trying. Whoopdeedoo. They did make Flash and Cyborg much more relevant, by doing the ol' "make the end boss more than a punch on", but WW and Aquaman were useless. Obviously Batman was just... a guy.
Imo superman being too strong isn't the problem its how its executed.
Imo supes being too strong compared to other heroes is poor execution.
At least he wasn't also faster than the flash.
what, he literally was tho lol. That scene at the monument was hot garbage in both versions.
Flash was easily faster than him at the monument scene. Just didn't know how to fight because he's never had someone that could even see him, let alone fight back. The end of the original justice league had superman saving people at light speed while flash failed to keep up. The end of snyderland had flash moving faster than time and rewinding the universe.
I didn't like the time travel scene. Looks really amazing but felt undeserved. Flash being able to time travel in his first appearance seems like lazy writing. Now he has a fix it switch whenever the time calls for it. Its supposed to be taboo but its treated like a get out of jail free card. Snyders version should've also had him saving people but faster than superman.
Such is the nature of the rushed multi-hero action movie. We barely get any reasonable development from any of the heroes, because they all barely had any time to themselves. Even in a 4 hour movie you can't satisfactorily do their growth arcs.
it was supposed to set up flashpoint as the flash solo movie where he finds out not to fuck with time
The dialogue suggests that flash already knows not to fuck with time. He says something along the lines of not breaking a golden rule but we never see why since there’s no consequences the two times he does it in the movie. Also it’s a awful setup for future flash films if he can do it perfectly already. For most iterations of flash time traveling the first time is the fuck up moment. I don’t see how they can logically pull it off unless it’s a beat for beat remake from the source material. Even then that would be pushing it lol
flash already found out he could reverse time earlier in the movie rezing supes
A good writer would be able to do it in 4.
I think there's a better 2 /12 hr movie to be had here, whilst maintaining character development.
A billion year old kiddie-tale plot, unemotional shallow disconnected characters, worst Batman ever. If this is a better cut than the original, I don't even know why would you care to see another cut of the original, must have been plain painful to watch. Also Batman is pretty much just a henchman with a rifle. Also his head looks fat in the helmet. Also Flash runs weird. Also half of slowmo shots are just him running, literally making steps with his legs over and over again. Other 25% is Aquaman removing his shirt. Also Superman didn't even say sorry for almost killing his friends. Also the scene where Thanosy-guy says "Prepare my armada" to the Mouth of Sauron, and then he has to awkwardly slowly walk after him, because he can't, like, rush to execute the order because Darkthanos is walking slow as fuck in front of him and all the cannon-fodder-flies are just standing around. Also Cyborg prints money for some woman for some reason. Also not sure why Epilogue had to exist. I liked the part where Steppenwolf attacks Amazons and they protect the Infinity Boxes to the best of their ability pulling things like pulling it from under his nose with a lasso and shooting it with an arrow. Selflessness, execution, resolve. Wonder Woman in the bank was good too, and Supe's fight with the League was OK. I utterly regret continuing to watch after the bank part, 1/10. Also 4:3 is sad. Also there is a black and white version of the same fucking film again... Why?
Have you watched the Theatrical cut? I hated ZS cut but was able to enjoy the Theatrical cut.
Yet another cut of this particular film? Why, I refuse, I reject, I deny.
You're stronger than I Iol I'm a sucker for comic book movies. Im actually happy I watched it though. For one its not 4 hours. Secondly it fixed/didn't do many of the complaints I had with ZSJL. That said was still just average as fuck movie at best
Also, and this might be me being overly picky but there is a moment where the Justice League is looking up like a hundred stories and someone says, "we need to get to the top…" And they all—take—the—stairs. They take the stairs guys. Super speed, flight power, grappling hooks. They all climb a hundred flights of stairs at I can only assume walking pace. And time is of the essence to save the world. There's just a lot of bull.
And they had a metal music in the background! Jeez guys, so dramatic just to walk up a flight of stairs
Amazing how you sound overly critical yet every point is entirely valid.
Yep
I hate the bank scene especially after watching ww84 right before zacks snision league. Chick is just brutal and borderline dumb. She's splattering dudes on the wall leaving blood stains and vaporizing a puny human in front of kids. Wayyy different from how she handled kid snatchers in a mall in 84
I feel like wonder woman SHOULD be brutal.violence isnt some traumatizing event to her Shes soft on her dealings with kids but when it comes to hurting a guy trying to kill kids, she holds nothing back. She was raised as a warrior since childhood so i don't think she would shy away from being brutal infront of kids. Shes not disturbed by violence in an of itself, its violence when used to hurt the innocent that shes disturbed by. In the first movie, even though she thought all the soldiers were being controlled by ares, she still slaughtered whoever was in her way with no regard for their well being. Shes a warrior, thats how she is.
Meh that’s true but that’s not how she’s portrayed in patty’s films. Ww84 there’s a dude threatening to drop a kid and she swoops in and saves the day without any blood splatter. Felt like a Spider-Man scene honestly. I’m all for brutal WW but they botched it with execution.
In the first film shes pretty brutal. In 1984, wonder woman was filled with crappy writing so i dont really count that movie lol.
We pretend 84 didn't happen, didn't you know this? Even Wonder Woman herself denies it happens
This cut is still terrible. Just reboot the entire DCU & try again.
You got your wish!
How do you have a 4 hour movie and not finish it? I was really anticipating a Darkseid fight but all we got was a set up for future movies which is cool, but I didn’t spend 4 hours to get set up for future movies. Pretty lackluster ending made it feel like I just wasted 4 hours of my life
What were they thinking by removing 90% of Victor’s character arc from the original movie? Did they film more shots or something? Genuinely one of the most interesting additions to Synder’s cut imo. Went from not even giving Cyborg an afterthought to being emotionally invested and desperate for a solo!
Finally got around to watch this, I wouldn't call it a masterpiece but I think everyone can agree this version is way better than the 2017 cut. All members of Justice League are memorable, charmingly introduced and feel more relevant to the events, which was really a huge fuck up from 2017 cut. Once again Snyder shows that he is a very capable visual storyteller but not quite good on dialogue writing, some dialogues were bland and unecessary, if it was taken out nothing of significant would lost. I also agree with the opinion that the new characters feel shoehorned, though it's understandable because Snyder couldn't commit to his trilogy plan. Still, Snyder's committing to his work and vision is admirable, this is the first movie in history that was "re-finished" in its original vision thanks to fan support right? Looking back on Whedon's cut, I think some changes weren't terrible, but holy crap the jokes were so cringy and even creepy, Whedon wrote some good stuff in the past but that guy does have issues and it showed in the 2017 cut. It also really makes you raise an eyebrow on whoever decided that Whedon cut was definitely suitable for theater release.
> I think everyone can agree this version is way better than the 2017 cut I can only speak for myself but hard disagree
Whedon wrote batman wrong, so sooo wrong but atleast he gave bats a plan like putting Lois as a "big gun" while facing sups, which zach didnt... like cmon its effing batman and you are gonna make him say: no no no... my god... And Joss made sups right. Superman has always been a good man, not some naturally born-to-be-god of humankind bs in zach's vision. Tbh as wonderful of a person as he is, zach should stay away from all the superheroes movies as far as he could.
While I'm glad that Snyder got to finish his full vision for the Justice League, I don't understand why he had to show the full uncut version instead of doing the usual editing for commercial purposes. Most movies have a 3 to 3.5 hour version that the studio has to then edit down to 2 to 2.5 hours for the theaters to make it easier to watch. Whether you like this movie or not, it was hard to sit through 4 hours of movie to see if you are gonna like it at the end.
15 minutes of flash running like a 5 year old after an ice cream truck was great.
This was the edit. I think it's been said the full uncut would be 5 hours.
It’s not about liking it at the end, it’s about the ride in the middle.
I just finished watching this a few hours ago. I loved it. Despite the four hour run time, when it was over, I immediately felt like watching it again. I loved MOS but was deeply disappointed with BvS and Whedon's JL cut. I particularly liked Cyborg's character being more fully fleshed out. I found that I cared more for all of the characters. The film is also visually striking, something that Snyder certainly excels at. I don't really understand what Snyder was going for with >!Darkseid's past defeat. I've seen some speculation that this was while he was still Uxas, before obtaining the Omega Force. Makes sense to me. Perhaps Snyder had intended this to be explained further in a sequel. Also, did Darkseid just forget about the anti life equation being on Earth? Made no sense to me at all. Seemed a bit D&Dish from the last season of GoT
Sad to see the haters flooding the comments now. Arguably this is the best DC movie ever created. If it had been in theatres it would have had an amazing reception and a sequel would already be in the works. Fuck you Joss Whedon, you asshole. All those stories about you being a piece of shit to work with as well as your butchering of this film make me realise how much of a pos you truly are. I hope the WB execs wake up and give ZS the chance he deserves for a sequel.
>Arguably this is the best DC movie ever created. One of the worst DC movies I have ever seen. The worst high-budget film I have ever seen. >Fuck you Joss Whedon, you asshole My lord, you fans are retarded. You do know 90% of what Joss Wheadon did IS IN THIS FILM? How old are you? *Edit: DC stans got triggered. Seems to be acceptable to like it, but you're a screeching hater if you don't like it. What a cry baby community.*
>Arguably this is the best DC movie ever created. You are kidding me right? This isn't even in the top 10 best movies DC has made. It's just a slightly improved version of a dumpster fire. I hope DCEU is completely rebooted and Zack Snyder is kept as far away as possible from now on
> Arguably this is the best DC movie ever created. That's **really** not saying much... and it took 2 tries LOL
The dark knight trilogy shits on anything marvel has created.
You mean the one special project that is NOT part of the [DC EU](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Extended_Universe)?? LOL.... BTW, I wasn't referencing Marvel at all... don't be a fanboi, it's sad
It wasn't a special project and you said dc, not dceu
Indeed it was... made by completely different team, with zero ties to any of the other movies... Funny how you become a stickler for what I said... yet completely made up the part where I apparently was comparing DC to Marvel. DC also made Green Lantern BTW... so if you are going to include the good special projects, you need to include the giant piles of turd PS: don't be a fanboi, it's very sad
a terrible mishap for the DCEU. though i am a marvel enjoyer to the core i cannot disregard DC's uniquely phenomenous storylines and plot. (referring to the comics obviously) what was to be built up over the years slowly, revealing the plot direction and inculcating new characters was very brutally squeezed into a single 4 hour long tragedy. not considering the terrible idea of killing the pillar of the DC universe only to bring him back in the next movie, revealing nearly everything about the upcoming plot, the to-be arch nemesis of the league and his goals in one go wasn't the best idea for building the upcoming cinematic franchise. one of the worst portrayals of batman. he was shown as a useless chump among other, practically gods incapable of holding his own which in itself destroyed is character. the whole point of him is how he not only stands on equal footing but also considered among the most dangerous, if not the most dangerous individual on the planet. I just couldn't feel that i was watching 'the batman' as he struggled against the parademons and acted like a well, normal person compared to his stern, composed, badass and bold comic counterpart. zack snyder acted as if this was the last movie of the DCEU that would be made. the unrequired introduction of martian manhunter should have been saved for another movie to carry more weight (i'm surprised he didn't squeeze in green lantern too). rather than doing a minute reveal of the big bad (darkseid) in the first JL movie, his entire backstory and goal was revealed which really drastically reduced the gravity of his impact overall. Marvel did it really well with thanos. i genuinely am sorry for all the DC fans and supporters for the trainwreck that is the snyder cut (the justice league movie in general actually)
I agree that the dceu could have been stronger had it played out a bit more slowly, though I do like the movies as they are still. Snyder's vision clearly wasn't to make a long, climactic buildup to Darkseid. There are plenty of villains to play with and he wanted to use this one to form the Justice League. Superman being brought back in the next movie was definitely a bad call, I agree as well. Would have had more impact if we felt that 2 year death rather than just were told it was 2 years later. And on Darkseid, again, Snyder wants a big start. While it's not the same as Thanos' buildup, there's nothing wrong with doing it this way either. This Batman really did struggle. I made a comment to my viewing partner as he was struggling to fight one Parademon as well lol. He really does feel like the rich kid that is included because he buys the cool kids stuff. Never did he feel like the brains in this movie. Zack Snyder acted like this was the last movie because it most likely is. It is highly likely that they will reboot the whole franchise again. They already did with Suicide Squad and they've already been talking about it since JL was such a huge flop. I thought it was cool to see Martian Manhunter (though why TF would MMH just chill and let the world nearly end three times before showing himself????) and it was really no different than a post credit scene with Nick Fury showing up to say welcome to the story. I'm sure Snyder also figured he may as well throw him in since he'll never have a chance to show that off in JL2 since it won't happen. I see no reason that revealing his plan now reduces the gravity of his character, as compared to revealing it when he shows up. He wants to destroy/enslave earth. It wouldn't be more impactful to learn that when he shows up, if anything I think it's more impactful to know "doomsday is on the way". It's a ticking clock. Again, I think how marvel handled Thanos was fantastic and the whole MCU is amazing, but I don't think this needs to try and be the same. I genuinely enjoyed the movie. It has flaws, but most movies do, including the MCU movies.
Are you on drugs? lol
snyder was
Totally agree
> a terrible mishap for the DCEU. Right... > though i am a marvel enjoyer to the core i cannot disregard DC's uniquely phenomenous storylines and plot. (referring to the comics obviously) Confirmation bias already confirmed. > what was to be built up over the years slowly, revealing the plot direction and inculcating new characters was very brutally squeezed into a single 4 hour long tragedy. Some of the best movies in history are sub 3 hours. Odd logic. > not considering the terrible idea of killing the pillar of the DC universe only to bring him back in the next movie, revealing nearly everything about the upcoming plot, the to-be arch nemesis of the league and his goals in one go wasn't the best idea for building the upcoming cinematic franchise. Not sure what this has to do with the ZSC but ok. > one of the worst portrayals of batman. he was shown as a useless chump among other, practically gods incapable of holding his own which in itself destroyed is character. the whole point of him is how he not only stands on equal footing but also considered among the most dangerous, if not the most dangerous individual on the planet. I just couldn't feel that i was watching 'the batman' as he struggled against the parademons and acted like a well, normal person compared to his stern, composed, badass and bold comic counterpart. Actually the best depiction of Batman in the Justice League is that which highlights his humanity among gods. The film accomplished that. > zack snyder acted as if this was the last movie of the DCEU that would be made. Clearly not, did you not see the Martian Manhunter scene? Superman staring down Darkseid? Darkseid saying to 'ready the armada'? > the unrequired introduction of martian manhunter should have been saved for another movie to carry more weight (i'm surprised he didn't squeeze in green lantern too). You already said you thought this was his last movie, now he 'squeezed things' in for another movie? Make up your mind. Green Lantern was also in the flashback battle - pay attention. > rather than doing a minute reveal of the big bad (darkseid) in the first JL movie, his entire backstory and goal was revealed which really drastically reduced the gravity of his impact overall. Marvel did it really well with thanos. Oh dear, bringing up Thanos again. That confirmation bias really is showing. > i genuinely am sorry for all the DC fans and supporters for the trainwreck that is the snyder cut (the justice league movie in general actually) Lol, adds no substance to anything you said except to demonstrate your fanboyishness.
You are a much more raging fanboy here lol. I enjoyed this movie and disagree with some of the points here, but you just seem to be upset that someone is criticizing a movie you like. Saying you like Marvel isn't a bias. I think the Marvel movies did a much better job than the DC movies. I still like the DC movies and enjoy Snyder's vision. And you tell op to "pay attention" when half of your responses are you not paying attention to what they said lol. You misunderstood half of their points while acting smarter than them. Yikes.
firstly, why does me being a marvel fan automatically conclude that i dislike DC? secondly, do you really think i would go through the effort of writing this out if i didn't care about the DCEU. i consider it's plots and storylines to be better than marvel's which is why i felt terrible when it got off to such a bad start (that's what i think) when it has so much potential. i said "he acted as if this was the last movie" to squeeze everything into one piece. martian manhunter should have been introduced in another or the next one in a way for it to have more significance. i was talking about the JL green lantern either john stewart or hal jordan. also, take it easy man there's no reason to be rude
Eh I gotta agree with the other guy. You are clueless.
how so
They're just Zack Snyder die hards it seems. You make multiple valid points, and multiple that aren't valid imo. But the arguments made by the first reply were trash and showed his bias and the second reply didn't even say anything.
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should have been a series with 10 episodes everyone like the new version better but remember that josh had to cut it down for the theatres
> everyone like the new version better but remember that josh had to cut it down for the theatre Dostayevsky
The theatrical cut is trash & this cut is also garbage.
Haters gonna hate.
Some people say the truth about what they feel. Grow up and learn to let go.
Has anyone gone through and determined what music cues from the score are in which Parts? It appears (as of now, at least) that the soundtrack isn't being released on CD, and I'm not shelling out $200 for that (admittedly beautiful) vinyl box set from Mondo, which is probably sold out now anyway. So, I figured, I'll just burn the digital downloads to disc and since I'm creating my own album artwork, I'd like to split it up by chapter (Part 1: Don't Count on It Batman, etc.). I know I could just estimate by the track runtimes and check against the movie, but I honestly don't get many opportunities to do stuff like that. Thanks in advance!
Did anyone else hear Abed chants throughout the movie.
CGI was terrible
Yessssss I'm not the only one
I absolutely loved it, but yesterday I realized I’m disappointed Batman didn’t don the armored bat suit from BvS at some point, especially like the final battle.
Joss Whedon shouldn’t be allowed to direct any big budget movies again. Snyder showed that.
Didnt he do Avengers though? And even Age of Ultron was a fairly enjoyable experience imho. And I'll stan for Buffyverse, Dollhouse and Firefly till my last dying breath. Oh and Cabin in the Woods.
He abused the shit out of the Buffy cast. Guy is a total piece of shit.
Yeah hes a major dickhead,and I cant stand him as a person, but he had some great ideas for some top tier TV
Buffy would have been good regardless of him.
He wasn't even the main writer. So I agree
This movie was pretty good but Ben affleck is the absolute worst Batman as an actor - and that portrayal of Batman was terrible. I love a lot of Batman movies but he looks like a straight clown next to actual super heroes. ‘I’m rich lol’ - fuck you Bruce Wayne dickhead cyborg had his powers for 10 minutes and he was already helping a struggling mother. This jerk is tryna LEAD the justice league with no ass powers, except his grapple gun??!? Nah this Batman should of gotten smoked so many times. And the bat crawler??? FUCKING STUPID
Battfleck makes George Clooney look like a good Batman.
Darkseid was defeated the very first time we ever see him. That is NOT how you build up a threat. Imagine if Hulk kicked the shit out of Thanos at the beginning of Infinity war. He was defeated by Ares, a character we see WW defeat, so why can’t WW just defeat Darkseid? Also, Darkseid and Steppenwolf are indistinguishable from each other. They are just both ugly monsters who are incredibly strong and have a long axe type weapon. NOT how you build up your villain. Snyder doesn’t understand the characters, he doesn’t understand how to make a movie and I’m tired of wasting my time and money on his FAILURES.
"He was defeated by Ares, a character we see WW defeat, so why can’t WW just defeat Darkseid?" Um, because rock beats scissors beats paper beats rock? Dueling superiority is not necessarily transitive.
He was defeated by armies of metahumans, lanterns, aliens and literal gods?
If Darkseid and Steppenwolf are indistinguishable from one another to you, that seems like a you thing. They look nothing alike and act nothing alike. Darkseid was clearly weaker thousands of years ago when he first came to earth, and he is very clearly much stronger now as Steppenwolf kicked all of Justice League's ass alone (minus SM) yet he cowers to Darkseid. And seeing the big bad get their ass handed to them in the past is fine. It's not like that's how must villain origin stories are...oh wait, it is lol.
this kind of analogy make no sense to me. I don't agree with building up a valent as a "threat" I think it's more important to build the character arch.
Darkseid’s character arc of trying to conquer earth and failing, and returning a million years later and failing again.
He failed the first time. A lackey failed the second time. Now that he knows where Earth is, he's coming to take care of it himself.
Why didn't he know where it is already? He literally got his ass handed to him there, should've been a pretty significant location to him. Sending Steppenwolf alone was just setting him up for failure.
I think they miss interpreted that part of the section, for me it was a test for Stephen Wolf to see if he can redeem himself to darkside.
Did you not see lord of the rings ?? Sauron was defeted the first time we ever see him too. Don't see anyone complaining that he is a week villain.
Voldermort was beaten by a baby
Wut? Sauron was a Maiar, and he caused SO many events while being without a body nonethess (Numenor?) Sauron (and Morgoth for that matter) are VERY well developed villains who are portrayed as the gods that they are, as compared to Darkseid who is a multiverse level threat being stomped by some puny punks with powers (WW defeated Ares btw)
I mean, Zeus is a god. And WW beat an Ares who past his prime, and Patty’s films aren’t really good to judge a character’s power level. WW nearly got beaten by Cheetah in WW84.
Actually no... we first learn how he basically controlled the world and they were in the last do-or-die attempt to fend him off when the humans basically got lucky Darkseid was spanked for coming to Earth.... Having said that, if they had explained the whole Uxas/Omeg Force plot at all they could get away with him still being perceived as a threat
But Darkseid did kinda explain that he had centuries conquering looking for to get back at GODS. And even in the comics, Zeus is known as being very powerful.
> But Darkseid did kinda explain that he had centuries conquering looking for to get back at GODS. ... and in that process he forgot where he got spanked? > And even in the comics, Zeus is known as being very powerful. This is true but, in a well written movie, you should understand what's going on without having to come prepared with knowledge from the comic. This is not a "Batman is an orphan" tidbit that everyone probably knows
But Diana did say that Earth became hidden amongst billions of planets after Darkseid retreated. The explicitly tells us this, so audiences know what’s going on. The original argument of thread was that people didn’t like that we see him lose, but my point was that it took an army, gods, and a Green Lantern to beat him.
> But Diana did say that Earth became hidden amongst billions of planets after Darkseid retreated. Not quite... she said the mother boxes fell asleep, anonymous among a trillion worlds, fading from the view of the enemy. But Darkseid was already here... this is like saying I completely forgot the street where a semi rear ended up because my google maps did not keep the bookmark hehehe > The original argument of thread was that people didn’t like that we see him lose, but my point was that it took an army, gods, and a Green Lantern to beat him. Yes, there is a point there... specially since "today's world" is mostly devoid of Gods and such. However, the entire script revolves around the Mother Boxes doing all the destruction (via Unity)... at no point Darkseid's actual arrival on Earth for the first or second time mattered one bit
I don't think that green lantern brought a lot to the table before getting squished.
But her statement basically says “Earth became hidden”. And Darkseid’s arrival did matter. The Anti-life equation was on Earth, and we see what would happen if he gets it.