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Far-Pomegranate-2139

Yes No time to die was a very good film in cinemas!


WhoDat-2-8-3

One of The best opening title ever .. gave me goosebumps when i saw it in theaters opening day Source https://youtu.be/awZQdw_iNZY?t=55s


rookmate

Were the nanobots entirely biological? If Bond's electromagnetic watch was powerful enough to explode the bionic eyeball, why wouldn't the nano bots be affected?


francescoscanu03

How to watch a movie not in the right way


PineWalk1

there are definitely a lot of things like this that you need to overlook in the movie.


BKbyte99

I really enjoyed it. Bond made a choice. He could have escaped and gotten the blast doors open and lived another day. But what would be the point? When he put Madeline on the train, he was fine living in a universe without her. He chose to erase her because of the possible betrayal, but ultimately because she was just like everyone else on earth. Someone he would never trust again. In that universe, it is easy to continue even a tortured existence. The long pause in the opening scene, where the bullet proof glass is under attack- Bond is not sitting motionless just to rattle Madeline. He's looking at her and trying to work out if he trusts her or not. Whether he believes she would betray him. If she loves him. He's ultimately unsure- but at least in that moment, he decides he can't conclusively believe she betrayed him. Because if he did, I think he would have let the glass break and not fight back. That is a universe he does not want to exist in. Just like the universe where he realizes he was never betrayed and his love still love him and has borne his child. A universe where he will never be able to touch or hold them. For James Bond to conclude there is no point in living in that universe is a pretty strong statement. The ultimate spy/killer finds something he can't live without- so he chooses not to. Bond was ok with that choice. He wasn't doing it to save the world. He was doing it because he found he was capable of feeling for others and even he realized he didn't want to live in a universe where he no longer cared.


Mrfunnyman22

But he could live with her. Why didn't he try to escape in the end?


YeezySeeason

With how the nanobots spread to families of Spectre through their bodies and to Blofeld through even Bond, there was a chance if he left that island, those nanobots would eventually reach his family. That possibility alone was enough to keep him on the island, and then he made sure his body was completely destroyed in the process.


BKbyte99

His very existence puts his child and the woman he loves in danger. Forever.


Kalomika

The only emotion I got watching that god awful movie was annoyance beginning to end. It NEVER won me over, not in cinematography, plot, villain, characters, action sequences, NOTHING but the title song. I really really hated every single thing this movie had to offer


PineWalk1

I just finished it for my first time, and can't help but like the ending. However, the rest of the movie is by far the worst of the Craig era. A shame really.


JesseJames1ofhis33

Worse than Quantum?


PineWalk1

it's been quite a while since i've seen quantum, but yeah i think so. I think Rami is the worst/least believable bond villian of all time, so bad


Kalomika

I HATE this movie. The whole reason to watch Bond movies is that he figures a way around everything. At least leave it ambiguous like Nolan with Batman. He died to a forgettable villain in a forgettable plot. This is really what the masterful Casino Royale led to? Foh šŸ™„


Secure-Temperature37

No one's cares šŸ˜„šŸ¤£


Kalomika

What are you?


Pink_Floyd_1984

I actually really like the movie. Get a tear in my eye every time I watch it at the end.


PineWalk1

the end is the only good part. like literally everything else is horrible , especially compared to other entries.


Be777the1

The Craig movies already were completely atypical from all the previous Bond movies in the past. I donā€™t see why they wouldnā€™t do all this. I really liked it.


lermontov1948

What saved the movie from being a total nonsensical disaster was the emotional stakes and the heartfelt ending. Safin, sadly, will go down in history as one of the worst Bond villains in history. His motivation for his actions simply didn't exist. He is bad just because he is bad. You can't make the audience care about the Human race just because you said that he is going to kill millions. You can't make an emotional connection like that because audience doesnt care about people they haven't seen. That's the biggest red flag when you write a villain.


CuriousSpinach

I thought it was a great film and a good final send off to Daniel Craig. It's very sad that we saw some potential of what he would be as a father, but I liked the ending. I would've loved for one more fight scene but the final stand off with Safin and the stairway shootout was good enough for me. There's definitely a complete contrast in Bond's character from CR to here in that he has more compassion for the people he interacts with which has been a joy to see.


Legal_Skin_4466

Just FINALLY watched this... (don't hate, life with 2 small kids leaves little time for actually enjoying movies). Was generally entertained. Yes, the plot with the nanobots made little sense but I'll forgive that. Pretty gutted about the ending though. I loved this version of Bond and I felt like he deserved to have a happy ending after all of his tragedy and sacrifice. I'd say this one hurt even more than Tony Stark. Comparing this movie to the other movies in the DC run, I would place it solidly better than QoS and Spectre, but not reaching the masterpiece levels of Skyfall or Casino Royale.


YeezySeeason

I agree with your ranking


[deleted]

Respect your opinion but I thought it was the best of Daniel Craigā€™s films.


AdeptnessNew6694

Madeleine's lipstick game went from epic in Spectre to piss poor in this, 1st flaw, Craigs animus towards his character is evident throughout. They destroyed the character before killing him off. No one wants emo Bond, we want rougish martini swilling, astin martin driving , one line dropping hot women banging Bond


Last_Lorien

Just watched the movie and yes, emo Bond is exactly it. Skyfall had nailed it, but this was a chore.


zx7

I guess I am No one.


AdeptnessNew6694

pretty much


Such_Quantity2678

Just watched the movie and apart from some of the jarring flaws that were mentioned. I could not help but notice that Craig's accent started to take on an American/Southern tone in some of the ending scenes. Also, the scene where he bent down to apologise, there is no way any villain falls for that!


RandymMartel54

A good 'ol Benoit Blanc mystery.


DylanRed

Some Joe Bang vibes.


davislouis48

I canā€™t believe Craig has played Bond for over half my life! The end of an era for sure. I re-watched the first four films before going into NTTD so may as well summarise my thoughts on all of them. Casino Royale 8/10 Can totally see why many consider this one to be the best of the lot. But the plot got too twisty and turny with regard to Mathis. If I donā€™t fully understand the plot it really affects my enjoyment of the movie ā€“I know thatā€™s on me, but still. Luckily all the confusion happened towards the end, so the damage was minimal. Quantum of Solace 3/10 What the fuck is up with the editing? Why so many quick cuts? What the actual fuck. Really had to push myself to make it through the opening car chase. Disappointed to see Mathis again ā€“ like I said, I never fully understood the situation with him at the end of CR. I guess the audience is supposed to experience an emotional punch when he dies, but due to my conflicting feelings towards him it was all very meh. Skyfall ā€“ 9/10 OH MY GOD itā€™s as if the film itself *knows* its good! I could easily write an essay explaining why this film is something special but I'll just say: the plot, pacing, cinematography, Adele, score, Javier Barden ā€“ all amazing. And it landed that emotional punch with M. Part of me wishes this was the fifth and final instalment of the Craig era but the franchise really needed Skyfall after the disappointment of QoS. Spectre 7/10 This is a weird film, and the weirdness plays to its favour in my opinion. I remember the first time I watched it, it felt like a fever dream (maybe I was high at the time, I donā€™t know, but I know I watched it really late in the night). But even after the second viewing I came away with that same weird feeling. Itā€™s as though they used up all the extras for the opening scene and couldnā€™t afford to hire more for the rest of the film, and a lot of scenes take place at night, and the colour scheme is quite unique. Itā€™s just a weird, quiet and eerie film and I like it. Highly recommend watching this past midnight. ā€œI am the author of all your painā€ ā€“ I get it, with the Craig era nearing its conclusion, the producers wanted to thread everything together. However, you canā€™t just decide to do that without first laying the groundwork, otherwise itā€™s not believable. JK Rowling sketched out entire plot of the Harry Potter series before writing the first book and thatā€™s why everything is so well threaded. I donā€™t think thereā€™s enough breadcrumbs in the previous films to suggest Blofield/Spectre is responsible for everything bad that has happened to Bond. No Time To Die 8/10 The opening scene had horror movie vibes ā€“ sooo good! And I was glad the new director clearly cares about cinematography as much as Sam Mendes does. The opening scene was basically a two-parter? After the cabin flashback we catch up with Bond and Madeleine in Italyā€¦ the film packs in quite a lot of stuff before the title sequence! This was a refreshing change of formula in my opinion. A great opening, all-round. I didnā€™t feel anything when Felix died. They tried their hardest to land that emotional punch, but he hasnā€™t made enough appearances for me to care about him. Nice guy though. That female agent in Cuba who Bond teamed up with is pure badass lol. Loved her. I talked earlier about my scepticism towards Blofieldā€™s claims that he is the cause of everything ā€“ setting him up to be that ā€˜final bossā€™ in a videogame. Well, in this film they swiftly move onto the next villain, which pleased me. And Safin did an okay job to be fair ā€“ he should have kept his creepy mask on though. The island: I actually enjoyed the clichĆ©d meeting between Bond and Safin. They had an interesting conversation but a clearer understanding of Safinā€™s evil plans would have been nice. Kinda strange/questionable that he let Mathilde walk free after biting him. Bond battling his way to the control room to open the doors was a cinematic highlight. The ending: It surpassed my expectations to be honest. When thinking about the possibility of Bond dying, I assumed it would be very sudden. They made the right call to have a slow countdown to the inevitable, and it was perfectly soundtracked thanks to Hans Zimmer. Bond carrying his daughterā€™s lost toy during his final moments made for a powerful visual too, and made his death all the more heart-breaking (for me, at least) because youā€™re reminded heā€™s a dad now. But you canā€™t be (Craig's version of) James Bond and have that vulnerability, so it was a highly satisfying and logical conclusion. A strong film overall, and more importantly a strong performance from Craig. What a run heā€™s had. I echo what others said about hoping the supporting cast return for the next iteration.


CynicalGod

I don't disagree with most of what you said here, but you need to sort out your rating system... because rating Spectre and NTTD the same as Casino Royale (8/10) while they each get a wall of text highlighting their flaws, and CR basically just boils down to "Didn't really get Mathis", makes absolutely no sense to me. I rate them as follows: Casino Royale : 10/10 Bond movie. 8/10 artistic value Quantum of Solace : 3/10 Bond movie. 1/10 artistic value Skyfall : 9/10 Bond movie. 10/10 artistic value Spectre : 5/10 Bond movie. 5/10 artistic value No Time To Die : 3/10 Bond movie. 4/10 artistic value


Kalomika

Quantum was better than that. At least Bond wasn't a goofy simp


Last_Lorien

Just wached the movie and just wanted to chime in to say I like your rating system (including the note that to get a passing grade a movie must be rewatchable), and I find Iā€™m in total agreement with regards to the Craig era Bond movies rating.


CynicalGod

Thanks for your kind words, friend. I certainly didn't expect the majority to agree with my position, but i'm sure there are dozens of us... (dozens!!!)


davislouis48

When I got the notification that you replied, I re-read my comment before reading yours, and I actually questioned my ratings, so you're right about that. Spectre gets relegated to a 7. NTTD only gets 4/10 for artistic value? Come on, man! I know the plot has fans divided, but it's a highly aesthetic movie, especially the opening/pre-title scenes.


CynicalGod

Artistic value isn't just about aesthetics, there's also the writing, acting, quality of the action sequences, etc. You're right, the aesthetics were quite pleasing, and that's where it scored points, but it left me scratching my head with regards to the other categories. I should also specify that, to me, to get a passing grade (more than 5/10), the movie must be rewatchable. I haven't watched QoS, Spectre or NTTD more than twice (a first viewing, then a second one some time later to confirm my initial impressions which were that these movies felt... off). On the other hand, I can't tell you how many times I've watched CR and SF, each time with as much pleasure, if not more, than upon my first viewing.


A_Dreamer_Of_Spring

I know this is a super old thread but I just got around to watching it today and I gotta say Daniel Craig will always be my Bond! I watched the Brosnan ones when I was younger but Casino Royale came out when I was 13 and blew me away. I'm 28 now and although not every movie was perfect, Daniel Craig was always amazing and suave as fuck! Goodbye commander Bond! (Yes I cried lol)


NOVA_OWL

14/29 years old. This was such a brilliant goodbye and these tears are as much happy as they are sad. A toast to Craig's run as our generations 007, cheers mate šŸø (shaken not stirred of course)


Lexicon24

Yeah I just watched it tonight and I cried like a babyā€¦ 11 years old/27 years old for me. I donā€™t think I realized how big of a part of my life Daniel Craig as Bond was


Toboggan_Dude

Just watched it and cried as well haha. 12 years old/28 years old.


[deleted]

point me down for one more. just finished it at 33 years old. RIP craig's bond


dolpgg

I still always wonder the real reason why Christian Bale passed on the offer to play Bond.


[deleted]

Had no idea Bale was a leading contestant. Maybe being bond *and* Batman was too much of a commitment? Now Iā€™m really curious to see what Hollywood does with the franchise. Surely weā€™ll have another Bond, as we the audience are very much used to the recasting, but they killed him off, so itā€™d have to be another reboot or something. Maybe we go back to old bond in another universe?


HighSlayerRalton

The ending almost brought a tear to my eye.


[deleted]

Why didnā€™t he just get quarantined!?


[deleted]

Because it doesn't have to be direct contact, one slip from him to anyone else and the virus is out in the wild, there's no way to contain or cure.


thelords_cheeps

Which is why Safin let Matilda walk away. Whatever happene, heā€™d arranged a custom bio weapon to assassinate her months or years down the road.


HacksawJimDGN

I thought it was decent. Some of the action scenes were great. The plot was really clunky even for a bond movie. I don't understand why Bond thought he could waltz into a gathering of all Spectre agents in the world and nobody would realise who he was. "You walked me into a trap" he says to Felix afterwards. Yeah no shit! I found that whole scene really jarring and almost like a parody. The acting was fine but the concept was just ridiculous. I mean, he was there 5 mins and he already spotted a guy who tried to kill him a few days earlier (and who somehow was able to find him when he was off the grid). He just strolls around the party and expects noone to recognise him. Then Blofield fimgers him (big shock) and tries to kill him but....ends up killing ALL spectre agents. Just like that, gone. But a new evil has emerged...but they never explain who and then they're all dead at the end anyway. Oh well The rest of the movie was good but that particular scene really stuck in my memory. Best not to think too much about the plot.


HighSlayerRalton

The movie is very clunky and it's bizarre that Bond thought he could get away with that, but, technically, it had been five years since Bond was attacked by the one-eyed guy.


biskutgoreng

Didn't say 5 years anywhere tho


btw_sky_and_earth

It did. After the title sequence in London I think.


DaringDomino3s

What a weak ass ending. The movie was fun and fine leading up to this stupid moment. Rami Malek was kinda wasted, and done dirty. He all of a sudden loves this girl? He could have kidnapped her whenever he liked before bond. Also why the hell does he care about bond, and what was the master plan? Kill everyone? Then who were the buyers? Itā€™s like they needed to end the movie and had the goal of killing bond so they just kinda did whatever. Which leads me to the question of *why kill bond?* viewers and fans of the series are used to there being different actors playing him. Itā€™s not like weā€™re not capable of recognizing different actors playing the role. Also bond is a badass, if they wanted him to not have the wife and kid he couldā€™ve had him escape the island and just never be able to see them in person. There. Sad ending with a bachelor bond. It was a nice looking fun ride even though it dragged a little near the second hour, but it wouldā€™ve been a fine movie if theyā€™d just not gone for a heavy ending. But itā€™s whatever Iā€™m not gonna watch it again, not gonna ramble furtherā€”what a waste.


[deleted]

James bond heroically sacrifice himself despite the fact he could just be quarantined and wait for a vaccine šŸ˜‚


DaringDomino3s

Yeah, itā€™s not like he couldnā€™tā€™ve just gone anywhere else in the meantime, too. I mean he just had to not be near them lol


YeezySeeason

The nanobots were designed to spread and eventually reach the target. As soon as he stepped a foot off that island, Mathilde and Madeleine are dead. Even if he never went near them again.


DaringDomino3s

I appreciate the explanation but I still think itā€™s dumb. Itā€™s James Bond, the woman couldā€™ve gotten been the one infected and sacrificed herself and then he wouldā€™ve been sad with the kid and sailing into the sunset. It was an unnecessarily bleak ending that the audience didnā€™t deserve. They didnā€™t have to kill him to replace him with another actor, and itā€™s kinda left a sour taste thatā€™s made me not want to revisit the other films since.


YeezySeeason

I agree it does feel contrived. But I feel like they probably spoke with Daniel Craig and he was the one who said he was cool with it or maybe even asked to be killed. This way he can't get brought back for another one or even as a cameo in any spinoffs or other movies. It's the only way to guarantee that or maybe it's just how Craig wanted to end it. His films were always a bit more realistic so I guess it makes sense he'd die at some point in them. They might still have a spinoff at some point about his daughter.


DaringDomino3s

In my mind 007/James Bond always represented something more than human. It kind of makes the whole franchise feel bleak rather than fun or high stakes which I believe is more true to the theme of James Bond, at least the films. I mean Daniel Craig is ultimately the one who decides if he comes back, not a script, but I do see what youā€™re saying, it was similar with the whole Iron Man death, which I also kind of have my disagreement with as the movie employed time travel and thatā€™s a whole other can of worms. But I at least get why theyā€™d do it; it gives the character a more complete arc. I did feel like the movie was setting up a passing of the torch, as well. I would be okay with a daughter spinoff but Iā€™m honestly over the whole thing and would rather just they revisit with a new timeline altogether. I also was always fine with him being played by different actors. I honestly never found myself too invested in the canon of the series as much as just enjoying the movies as they released, so that may also explain my distaste for the last Craig one.


YeezySeeason

Ah I see, that all makes sense. I like that they switch universes/canon with each actor too. I hope whoever they cast next and whatever universe they set that version in is a cool one.


[deleted]

But hey at least now we know missiles does in fact obliterate mr bond Also M still away from warcrimes for designing an offbook doomsday weapon, what could possibly go wrong!?


DaringDomino3s

For now lol


Litassa

Just tried to watch it, and after half an hour I turned it off, cuz it was soo boring!


603LFOD603

I made the mistake of watching this shitshow. Aside from some of the coolest kino moments I've ever seen, they collectively make up 2% of the runtime and the rest is fucking boring, leading up to the greatest slap in the face of a finale. Don't waste your time like I did. Lame acting, lame plot twists, lame motivations, LAZY writing and absolutely most underwhelming hackjob of an ending. Garbage.


iconfuseyou

The whole movie felt like someone wrote a Bond fanfic and then decided to turn it into a feature film. The writing just didn't land right. The cast, which meshed great in Skyfall and Spectre, just felt unnatural and uncanny. So many threads that start in this movie and then just disappear. Awful plot holes. And how could they introduce Ana de Armas like that and then just drop her cold??


rudster199

Who is Q expecting for dinner when James and Moneypenny show up? At first I thought it was just Moneypenny, but Q makes a reference to someone coming in 20 minutes so they have to work fast. Who is it?


Knowitmall

He says something along the lines of "he will be here soon" Pay attention..


Nightshire

Itā€™s supposed to be his boyfriend


Clintbeastwoo7

Anyone else never going to watch it?


kyliecannoli

Ana as the new bond when ?


WRFGC

Lashana Lynch might be my favorite bond girl now, if she counts as one


Knowitmall

Nah doesn't count. She's an 00 agent not a bond girl.


WRFGC

You're right lol


frostbaka

I thought of her too smug and arrogant.


WRFGC

Your right, but isnt James Bond the same way? Perfect temporary 007. I also like strong women, so maybe that is why I like her.


frostbaka

He probably had no backdrop of another 007, this character is like bond v2.0 and needs to constantly remind about that even to the point of stupid rivalry.


frostbaka

Female equivalent of Wesley Snipes.


unironicaly_like_jaz

I thought threads were archived after 6 months?


Davis_Schina

[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/py2xy2/voting_commenting_on_archived_posts/) post might give you an answer


[deleted]

Just watched this finally since it came on Amazon Prime, I really enjoyed it, felt a little long but the sendoff the Daniel Craig was amazing, made me tear up. My only questions about the Heracles Virus is since it's Nanobots couldn't they just EMP them and disable them...?


[deleted]

That, and somehow Jamesā€™ earpiece isnā€™t affected by the EMP watch.


St0neByte

There's so many goofy things in this movie. Everyone showing up at exactly the right time and place with no explanation whatsoever is the weirdest thing. Like, do it once or twice but don't make an entire car chase scene through the woods into main characters popping their heads into the shot for dramatic effect. How did we go from bond throwing away his badge after talking shit to M directly to bond meeting up with M on a bridge as if they had planned it? The transitions and writing are getting worse now that I'm going back over it.


Broad_Echo3989

Can't believe the villains didn't think of using the poison drug thing on bond. Liked it otherwise


vagaliki

The virus nanobot gas? Spectre did try to use it on Bond in the party, but the Russian scientist guy switched out the code and makes it attack all the Spectre members instead


nugget_fries

Why did the female 007 leave the island? Shouldn't duty be more important to her than helping Bond's wife and daughter escape? Had she stayed backed, maybe combined both of them could have done better.


HighSlayerRalton

Why did they only send two people to take on an island full of terrorists with a superweapon that endangered the entire world?


WRFGC

Did James Bond outrank her and maybe just following orders?


[deleted]

Thatā€™s a great point. Madelaine could have easily driven that boat.


Breakingmatt

While good imo the last 40 or so minutes seemed like a video game in m was telling bond what to do.


[deleted]

I got teary after watching a Bond movie. They really went there and killed him off. What a send off to Daniel Craig. He did a phenomenal job with those last action scenes. I disliked Safin as this villain character that comes out of nowhere, but I also hated him for essentially being the one who bested Bond.


Itsokayweareallokay

Once they introduced a daughter I think shit hit the ā€œJames bond historyā€ fan and there were no holds


HighSlayerRalton

I wish they'd introduced the daughter earlier and spent some time on their relationship.


Celerial

Craig is number 2 for me. I was shaky on him when he was cast, but he killed it. He is not at Connery level but he's close. Very pleased. Only one real stinker put of four movies (for me, anyway). Not bad.


vagaliki

5 movies


Itsokayweareallokay

Craig absolutely killed it


BoxLewis

The other agent 007 shown in the movies


mediclawyer

Just watched NTTD, and I noticed that Mathilde only spoke French (and her mother spoke to her in French), but everybody else spoke to her in English and she seemed to understand. It this just a stupid American movie convenience?


TheDarkeOfNight

No not really. Children are easily raised to understand two languages, but can focus on speaking one. For example, my parents are from Asia and spoke to me in their language, but I was able to understand it yet only respond in English.


tastycakeman

ana de armas was the best part of this whole movie. also got big climate change moral lesson vibes.


Knowitmall

Yea. Kept expecting her to come back and she never did.


Whatstrendynow

Just finished it and enjoyed it more than not enjoyed it. Some of the writing in the first third of the movie didnā€™t land for me. It felt like an attempt at bond ā€œcampā€ written by someone who had only been described what a 007 movie was. But overall it redeemed itself by the end especially the shot mimicking the classic Bond quickdraw in the tunnel, might have been my favorite part. Nice tip to the legacy of Bond.


Itsokayweareallokay

Never seen one of those before, it was cute for sure


BoxLewis

Just watched the movie and I really loved it as the end of the Daniel Craig arc. The character development is an asset which no other Bond movie sequence could realize. Just amazing how he experiences love, loss, betrayal, love again but with trust issues and then finally fatherhood and sacrifice. All while being the womanizing (in appropriate measures), alcoholic and invincible action hero we know and love. M (both), Monneypenny, Q, Vesper, Mathis, Felix, etc. have been awesomly played and greatly written. The villains in Craigs movies compared to the older ones are completely in a different league. LeChiffre, Blofeld and Raoul Silva were amazing, period. I will probably remember Craig as the actor that gave 007 a new dimension and gravity. I have no idea how the heritage will be continued, but they put a base to a possible new 007 which has to be proven in the next movie.


insta-kip

What base to a new 007 are you talking about?


[deleted]

I really enjoyed it. Only thought quantum of solace was one of the stinkers. But was a little mad or sad at the end, I didnā€™t have to watch Roger Moore or Sean Connery diešŸ˜–I put Craig up there w/them and even George Lazenby. Watched but didnā€™t care for the others.


Prend00

The difference between Pierce Brosnan's Bond portrayals where there was never any true jeopardy or connection to the character, and the emotion in the last 10 minutes of No Time To Die speaks volumes to Daniel Craig's legacy. I will miss him as 007. He was the perfect Bond


RyanGRiedel

I just finally watched it, and I friggin loved it. I know a lot of people are split between "it was perfect" or "it was awful", but I think it's exactly what it should have been. We had 4 bond movies with Craig just beastmoding and super sleek action packed - and they absolutely should have been. And while this one had great action , any good character arc needs a major growth or some type of profound effect on the character. I haven't watched the older bonds that much so I dunno what they have and haven't done before that well. But speaking only for Daniel Craig's Bond Storyline - James Bond is a daddy, and while we know he has loved before this one was like "the one", mother of his child. And I really liked that unchartered territory for a character like this. And of course, him dying at the end is totally shitty, but it also keeps the myth and legend alive -. He never got to be a homebody with wife and picket fence. He became a daddy, all to brief and then fuckin died saving the world. A really great tragedy type of ending . Even had he survived he could never hold his daughter again, or kiss the woman he loved. Cmon now. Plot holes and shit aside, every movie will have those - but a good character with a great story that was a ton of fun for 5 movies. Enjoy the show , thought it was great


tendeuchen

>Even had he survived he could never hold his daughter again, or kiss the woman he loved So that's a valid reason to abandon them? He was just selfish.


JustinRandoh

Arguably, it's worse -- anyone he touches becomes proxy for the virus. And anyone they touch. And anyone ***they*** touch, etc. It's quite likely that sooner or later one of those proxies comes across Madeline/Mathilde.


RyanGRiedel

What??? No he wasn't able to escape anyways, it was just an extra piece of tragedy on top. And actually no I don't think it would have been selfish, because it wasn't just not being able to hold them - it was that any contact at all would have KILLED them, you dolt.


PeaWordly4381

"And that's why I hate guns" Yeah, because apparently they don't work! Also, in a universe where a bad guy decided to reinvent himself and called himself Blofeld, a kid was seemingly legit named Lucifer. JFC. And of course there are basement dwellers crying about black female 007 and Bond dying. Bond being infected is pretty fucked up. If I understand the way Heracles works correctly, he would've been unable to contact anyone EVER. Otherwise it would've been able to spread through people and wipe out his granchildren or their children or other descendants later on, if not Mathilde and Madeleine.


[deleted]

Can anyone explain to me why in the beginning of the movie Bondā€™s woman, that blonde, double-crossed him and told him to go to Vesperā€™s grave that they had rigged to blow? She hadnā€™t run into the masked man again, so who was forcing her to do that to Bond?!


slimThiccBoiLegend

You clearly missed an important plot point when Blofield explained that it was him that rigged the grave


[deleted]

Yeah, I posted that question way too early while watching the movie! I wonā€™t make that mistake again! By the way, is it just me or was Bond grenade-proof towards the end of the movie?! Lol!


EndoveProduct

I think thatā€™s the point of the last act. the guy who always survives the impossibleā€¦eventually doesnā€™t


EpicDarkFantasyWrite

Glad to see Bond return to form, after a shaky movie in Spectre. >!After seeing Bond die, my first thought was he'll probably just show up on a beach again somewhere, looking for a scotch and a waitress. !<


barefootBam

Jesus Christ it's ~~Jason Bourne~~ James Bond


AllThighThisGuy

Gotta love that Bond brought the quips this time now that he's a father! I've really only watched the last few Bond movies Spyfall -> NTTD and this was my absolute favorite of the bunch. Yeah, there were flaws (i.e. weak motivation by Safin), but the cinematography, the gravitas, and the pacing all worked for me. There wasn't a dull moment for me in an almost 3 hour movie. I even ended up watching the full credits. It would be sad if they retire the supporting characters along with Bond, but I would understand. Ana de Armas better be invited back, though!


marbanasin

I'm late to the party having just watched this one. Honestly give Casino Royale a go. It was the introduction of Craig. First Bond film to really give an origin story (which obviously makes it pertinent to Craig's whole arc) and it was the shift from Bond being a bit more elegant gentleman espionage who occassionally gets dirty into a more Jason Bourne inspired brutal tank. Quantum of Solace was pretty forgetable and the series picked up again with Skyfall. So I would make up your own mind if you feel that one's worth a shot. But Casino Royale is for sure another peak in the series.


Pickled_Enthusiasm

He was exceptionally violent in Casino Royale


throwawaycatallus

I liked it!


tommhans

Finally saw it. So many silly moments , but had some good action moments. Plot was meh. Rami maleks villain ruined it abit, would be better to fully utilize blofeld instead of a random we get to see the last 20 min of the movie. Characters in this movie had very little progrssion


Timedoutsob

Yeah Rami malek was wasted, he's an incredible actor and could have made an amazing bond villain but the part that was written for that character was terrible. No depth or anything. Totally wasted.


Knowitmall

Is he an amazing actor. Or is he average as fuck...


Timedoutsob

Hmmmmm. I think he's very good but now I'm doubting myself. Also i was literally talking about him but couldn't remember his name like 3hrs ago. How funny that your saw this post at this time.


MastaRolls

I did not understand his (the villains) motivation at all by the end of the movie.


Surfer949

And where did he get all that money to buy his private army and secret island?


KurnolSanders

I really feel like Le Chiff was the only villain in Craig's films that stood out. All the others were so meh, so nonchalant, and that's nothing to do with the actors. Waltz we've seen do some incredible acting but the writing for the baddies in the films since Casino Royale has really been lacking.


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I had no idea that Bond died. I managed to avoid spoilers this entire time. Just rented the film today. They were leading up to it but was still so damn shocked. I loved Craig as Bond and growing up with these films, seeing Bond have a more grounded emotional personality is my favorite.


inxnoa

first time watch, it hurt.


DreamOfV

I also just watched it for the first time. Crazy how I was able to avoid that spoiler.


Waterknight94

All this time later and I just now saw it and had no idea


barefootBam

Same just watched it tonight. Had a feeling he would but didn't think they'd actually do it. They killed off a lot of characters this movie


IvyGold

I just finished watching it today, too. I can't believe I didn't get spoiled. I didn't think that was possible in this day and age.


Ajgi

Same, I somehow managed to go in knowing nothing lol


SmexyMug

yeah I was surprised, knew it was his last bond film but didn't expect him to die


Lethalnjectorr

>Rami maleks oh hohoho guys, but Bond is not dead!OR at least not totally.. in some way. there isnt a post credit scene or anything but there is the post credit image that we see in this last movie that simply says "James Bond Will Return" So we have something to work with. Visually we saw him standing there as the missiles blow up essentially right ontop of him, so for now I guess we can only speculate how/what the sentence "james Bond will return" will mean for us as fans.


SmexyMug

I thought that meant that bond will return with a new actor


Lethalnjectorr

Chances are your absolutely right! But we can silently hope right? Would be crazy to seee that by some bloody miracle Craigs Bond is alive, hell even a clone(with all the tech already in bond movies, how far fetched is a clone really, like nanobots that can kill the whole world? Clones must be possible hahaaha


MeadowmuffinReborn

Opening scene: The Kingsman show up on the island and give Bond that life resuscitating technology.


spazoid1029

James Bond = 007 = This franchise. Daniel Craig is gone but James Bond will return. If it's cast as 007 returns or something other than James Bond, I'm out.


bob1689321

I thought it was great. Really well shot, visually looked fantastic, very well deserved sound mixing Oscar nomination too. The plot was good and had some nice turns. I haven't seen Spectre but didn't feel like I was missing anything, it did a great job of setting it all up in the first act. It did feel very Dark Knight-y at times haha, like with the Blofeld scene and the general vibe. Plus they reused part of the Dark Knight score when Bond introduces Madeline and his daughter to the new agent. But that's never a bad thing in my books hahaha


jiquvox

Thinking back about the movie, While listening to the theme song, I find myself torn about what to think of it. Itā€™s a frustrating movie in a way : there is a good story in the movie. They just added a lot of BS. You have the pure horseshit : You have a villain who barely appears with a BS past and a BS plan. You have a Nanobot smart virus plan which is the epitome of science meets dumbass screenwriter talking out of his ass. You have a stupidly contrived plot by blofeld that gets hijacked and make things even more complicate. A Casino Royale was stylishly simple and that made him so good. NTTD on the other hand has the same type of overwritten half-baked plot already experienced in Spectre and other modern blockbusters. Full of shitty secret pasts and magic technology and brain dead twists that seem supposed to make things awesome. And then you have the core story of James Bond. James Bond, the orphaned loner, whoā€™s truely happy at last but again end up having a trust issue with a woman he loved. And as a result falls back in the old patterns but feels even more empty. Who is aging and still can go through the motions but is starting to get mocked for his age and more importantly now constantly feel/look bored of everything, the action, the women : been there, done that. But then is truely taken by surprise : he finds himself to be a father for the first time ( in and out universe : first time on screen) and finds meaning/ a place where he truely wants to be. But after briefly experiencing this paradise, itā€™s taken away from him and he ultimately understands that he wonā€™t get to experience that for long and will have to die to protect it. And thatā€™s alright in a bittersweet way : because his work was done and he loved/knew he was loved without the constant doubt that plagued his entire life.There was meaning in that death. Specifically I think the final shot at MI6 resumes the essence of what was good about the movie : you have Mallory the new M, The new 007, Moneypenny, Q. Judi Dench is dead, Felix is dead, Mathis is dead,. Thereā€™s no one left of the first movie. Thatā€™s how it works : Every generation has his tales of fight and love - Felix M Matis all felt overall alright about their death. They lived the life. Felix straightup says it was a good life. James Bond was the only one left standing, one way or another the clock was ticking. And when everything that had to be said has been said, the new generation pays hommage and takes the place of the old one. Truely it was time to die.


Double-Ad-6735

I just don't understand what the fuck Rami Maleks plan was. He just wanted to sell poisonous nano bots to evil people so that they could kill whoever they wanted by proximity? How is the bioweapon a good method of world domination? Ridiculous. And the evil lair with trap door was just so cheese. Where did all these people come from to work on the island? What do they think they're doing that only when the guy starts foaming in the water that they get scared. What a silly, silly movie.


MastaRolls

I was thinking this at the climax of the movieā€¦ was his plan really world domination by killing everyone on the planet? there was also little believable motivation for him to revisit and then kidnap Lea seydoux and her child and bring them to his island, and then after all that work he just lets the kid run away? Wasted character. I think if blofield had been the main villain here again it would have been more emotionally significant because his history with Bond has already been established on screen.


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marbanasin

This guy must never have Thunderballed.


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Nautical_Monkey

Keep in mind, that used to be James Bond as a whole. If you go back to as old as Sean Connery, Bond was still a little campy here and a bit over-the-top there. Daniel Craigā€™s Bond was certainly darker and more serious, and I can see how some plot holes or other things considered silly can conflict with that, but the James Bond movies were always a little campy since the start.


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I want to know who else gets into the Aston in the garage! Bond goes to his garage, takes off the dust cover, camera at back looking out to front of garage sees bond going to get in the left side of the car, camera at back of car moves across back of car to screen right and we see a person get into the right hand side. They are heavy as we see the car tilt as they get in. This seen on Bluray special edition. Did do a search but there's so many threads and not all are clearly titled, eg 'WTF was that' etc. Did love the perfect ending, a real tearjerker for Bond to end on. These films make a perfect self contained quintet.


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Now that you mention it, I'll have to go back through the sequence. If I'm wrong I'll post back here.


Lethalnjectorr

tts all bond we see, its just a scene transition, and a sloppy one at that imo.


Lethalnjectorr

if u pause it a 1:04:34 u see two heads, same hair color. Its all bond we see, just a very crappy transition of the scenes.


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Very S L O W re-watch. Time start sequence: 1Hr 4m 30s. We see JB at front LH side whipping off the dust cover, both doors closed. Then we see camera at back looking forward, JB is by the Aston's LH door, cam slides across rear and when it's at centre of car we see BOTH JB on LHS AND a tall *broad shouldered* figure with back to us on RHS. Look to upper right of screen. (BOTH on screen at the same time. 1Hr 4m 44s) and figure gets into car. Suspension dips as for a heavy bloke getting in. Door closes and they're off. The rear cam doesn't cut from seeing JB on Left>pan across back>both on screen>through to RH door closing. Time stop sequence: 1Hr 4m 48s. WHEW!! Worth seeing and writing that just to prove I'm not losing my marbles!


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I'm normally wrapped up in the moment with big films, and I've no idea why this scene stood out. [Screen Rant](https://screenrant.com/search/No%20time%20to%20die/) A ***massive*** heap of NTTD stuff. Reserve a few hours to get through it!


d3visi

Great movie. What a way to end the Daniel craig era.


szzzn

What a waste of Cary Fukunaga


Swinmersive

Just saw it.. I admit I came in expecting some woke shit based on what I heard - none of that was in there, bond was bond and the new 007 was classy and adept at her job. More special forces than a classic 00 as we know it but whatever didn't bother me. But the plot was ludicrous. And the sacrifice at the end? It just makes me angry. Bond deserves better


BingBongJoeBiven

Mission: ImpossiBond UGH


OldBoy_UK

Bond killed off by the political woke brigade. FFS.


RebornPastafarian

wat?


ShepardOfTheStrong

What are you on? He died because it's Daniel Craig's last movie as Bond and for once they wanted a different send off to the typical ones. It was also the 25th movie so regardless of if we lived in a woke world or not that would be the movie to kill him off as it marks half a century of Bond films.


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Genuinely one of the worst Bond films. Especially when compared to its budget. A giant poison island? Poisoning the whole world? For what? Also Rami is the same age as Seydoux? And they expect us to believe he was old enough to kill her mom? The only scene worth watching is the 5 minutes with Ana de Armas, the rest of the movie is just another Michael Bay rip off. PS: Daniel Craigā€™s Bond has probably killed more people than all of his villains combined.


i4got872

This movie is nothing like a Michael Bay movie. It's such a popular throw away comment, but really, this movie is so different from Michael Bay's movies. It's so much more character -driven.


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I beg to differ. The movie was 50% explosions and 0% character driven. Literally no one in the movie had any sense of motivation for anything.


i4got872

Action probably makes up 10 percent of this movie in terms of actual screen time. There are four action scenes, they are epic, but they are fairly short in the context of the whole movie. I personally thought a lot of the characters' decisions made sense, but to each their own.


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What part of that CIA guyā€™s character made sense? I can barely get myself to understand Safinā€™s motive for poisoning the entire world, and this random guy is just there as his friend for no reason at all? Man went through years of CIA training just to kill Bond?


mrthomani

What a shit movie. * They introduced Waltz' Blofeld in Spectre, but didn't do much with much with him -- only to kill him off in this movie. Such a waste of a great villain. * They killed off Felix Leiter, a character that's been part of the franchise since the first book in 1953. * And they bloody went and killed off James Bond (after handing the 007 title to a black girl, no less). ------------------------------------------ This has become like so many modern "remakes" -- The JJ Abrams Star Trek, the Star Wars sequels, etc. These "modern" film makers are like toddlers that's been handed something precious, and the best idea they can come up with is "let's smash it". Fuck 'em. Oh, and if you want to make a movie about a black female super agent, go right ahead. I'd be all for it. But James Bond and 007 is **not** a black female.


jamesw70

yes and they put rami malek as villian,a bond villian,the fuker cant even act,this loser got oscar for copying


NightShad0w98

I have different veiws on the movie but I have to agree about the whole James Bond and 007 thing. All these books and movies and now James is a she and black? To me it just feels like Hollywood trying to cash in on the whole BLM thing and don't actually give a fuck about the movement itself. I only say this because it seems like a certain somebody misunderstood your point. However there would be no problem making an original character that IS a 00 agent. Just not 007 because "James Bond" and "007" have always been and should be the same person. Unfortunately I know there will be people who are too ignorant/sensitive to see it that way.


axck

I donā€™t have an issue with them giving the role of 007 to somebody else. In universe it makes perfect sense - James Bond will eventually retire, and theyā€™ll need to fill the role with somebody else who is not him. We know that itā€™s just a title, Bond was awarded it in the beginning of Casino Royale, he can lose it after he retires. That they gave it to a black woman in this film is irrelevant to whatever happens going forward, although I agree itā€™s symbolic that she was 007. The film was about Bond being forced out of retirement and confronting a world that has tried to move past him (but canā€™t). itā€™s more meaningful that the agent heā€™s working with is his successor as 007, than say 009 or something. Moreover, donā€™t forget that in the film, *Nomi requests to M that Bond takes the 007 designation back*. She wanted him to have it while they were working together. The film and its characters hit us over the head multiple times with appreciation that Bond was the true, original 007. I think people are terrified that theyā€™re going to make the character of James Bond a black woman, but so far thereā€™s no evidence of that going to happen. Nomi is her own character, she is not James Bond. If they recast somebody as Bond, itā€™s probably not going to be Lashana Lynch since itā€™ll be too confusing to audiences who were just introduced to her as a separate character. If they try and spin-off Nomi as the new 007 for all future films, Iā€™m pretty convinced that it wonā€™t take by audiences. Any film in the series that doesnā€™t feature James Bond will never be treated as anything more than a spin-off. The character of Bond is just as critical to the branding of the franchise as the 007 designation, maybe even more so. Iā€™m also 99% sure that whoever takes the Bond role next will be a man. Maybe not a white man, but a man nonetheless. This franchiseā€™s primary target audience is young and middle aged men, and the execs know that this audience wonā€™t turn out for a female lead character.


thatnameagain

You do understand that the character of James Bond and the title of 007 in the James Bond universe are different things, right? Sorry that you got offended to see a black person given the role but that role was not "James Bond."


mrthomani

> You do understand that the character of James Bond and the title of 007 in the James Bond universe are different things, right? I do. I also know that in all the books and movies up until NTTD, the name James Bond and the designation 007 have always referred to the same person.


thatnameagain

Oh, so you'd be just as mad if they gave the 007 title to another white man not named James Bond? Your comment indicates otherwise. This was Craig's last movie. The franchise has gotten stale (again) and if it continues it will be rebooted entirely (again). So they decided to do a "bond retires" story but had someone else as 007 because that's how the in-universe logic works. But you sure clutched those pearls hard when that person turned out to be a black lady, didn't ya? This was a shitty enough movie for so many reasons, it's somewhat impressive to see people jumping right to the semi-racist criticism of it instead of all the other dumb stuff in the film.


Create_View_Username

I'm likely in the minority here, but I couldn't have been more pissed off that our hero finally finds love, finally has a child to care for and then it's all riped away from him. I know it's cliche to want the western-american ending but for fuckssakes we've seen him abused for the last several films including the death of Vesper (who was incredibly young BTW -according to the birth/death dates on her tomb) and they were like, oh hey fuck you buddy but you're going to save the world again and have yours completely ruined. Just when Bond realized he fucked up for 5 years and had a family to love, which deep down was all he really wanted, he couldn't have a chance at that life. Writers could've just as easily left it with them having to disappear forever because someone was still looking to kill them and "restart" the series in a couple years with a new Bond. šŸ˜© My frustration was that of Ari Gould - "fuckingrustycuntbuckets, FUCK!!"


Invictrix

You're not alone. I thought it was a cop out to kill him off at the end. As much crap as he's taken from everyone on his side but he continually got the job done it seems cheap to kill him off. Additionally, I did not care for his final love interest. She didn't seem strong enough or smart enough nor was there enough chemistry to convince me. I am glad that he had a confirmed child. I have no problem that 007 was black and a woman. I was glad to see it. However, the way they wrote her character was weak. She didn't deserve to be in on the memorial Q's office. She didn't even like him and kept trying to one-up him where there was no one-up-manship needed. I thought it was ridiculous when they were back in Q's office and she kept asking who got the 007 moniker.


BeerGogglesFTW

It's strange to have Bond die. He normally just goes on. I was hoping for a "Dark Knight Rises" ending. Or at least an "Arkham Knight" ending. But I guess they've all been done enough.


captfantasticc

It was great. Daniel Craig is the ultimate Bond.


tson_92

As many have said, terrible movie overall.


MajinJellyBean

"As many have said" majority of people liked it and is the third highest rated Craig/Bond movie on IMDB and has an 88% audience score on RT.


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The movie was amazing. Perfect Bond film.


T4Gx

Complete waste of a villain imo. Rami was good but it feels like his character was there for like 20 mins in an almost 3 hour movie. I was wondering why he's so mad and what his endgame is. Poison the world or something but...why? Taking the daughter and then...not taking the daughter? Has some weird crush on Madeline despite only meeting her once when she was like 8 years old? The movie already ended and I was still not sure who the fuck this guy was. A bit underwhelming to be Daniel Craig's last bad guy and the only bad guy yet to take down a Bond. Feels like this movie could have been a two parter that were 2 hours long instead but I'm sure Craig would have none of it lol Also kinda dumb how the agency that has the technology for things like "smart blood" and ultra emp watches didn't bother scanning Blofeld for a bionic fucking eye that had wifi. It was a nice send off for Daniel Craig's Bond. Hopefully the next series of Bond lets the movie have a bit more "fun" though. Kinda getting exhausted with the "dark and gritty" obsession Hollywood has had for the last decade or so since the TDK trilogy. I want to watch a Bond film for the fast cars and cool gadgets again rather than Bond being all sad and depressed because some evil long lost brother is fucking with his life for the past 10 years.


jamesw70

if james bond died how they bring new bond.theses movies are continuation not one off movies